^^This reminds me of the reason why people in rehab are advised to change their environment and friends. People who knew the person way back when will never allow them to live anything down and will use it to try keep them where they are forever.

Moreover, they will resent that person and accuse them of being"holier than thou" for making what they feel are positive changes in their lives. Bring anything spiritual into the conversation and they will come for your head.


Poor Prince is stuck with his fans though....and sadly, now Hannah is too.

Tamar

Shelbey

Bria

Andy

Who's the next target?

OldFriends4Sale said:

terrig said:

BOOM. there it is. double standards, and fwiw, i'm not much of a fan of prince backing up off his prior lyrics and antics...imho god gave him all that to enable him to grow and evolve.. none of it was 'wrong' or bad....and its part of the human condition we all move through as we grow and explore life. in short in my view, it's common for us to explore the trashy and vulgar and grow out of it as we mature...the fingerwagging now at the past is a big ol wet blanket, but thank goodness theres tons of evidence of the fire of the past!

That's the part that gets to me the 'fingerwagging'

He comes across out being out of touch.

Like at that BET show where he was acknowledged and Alicia Keys got on the piano when playing Adore

He seemed ashamed of his past when he spoke to the crowd

I hear you, and maybe he'll eventually get past feeling guilty about it...of course everyone grows up and lets go of things in their past, that doesnt mean they need to feel bad about it. Prince has done far more good in this world than a whole lot of people...I cant for the life of me understand feeling as though his past is problematic ....Its an artisitic legacy in his case that in no way demeans his character or who he is as a soul on this planet. Its too bad he feels apologetic, but the freedom to express all that is what music is FOR, its for vulgar just as much as its for good, for political, for praise and for joy...more important than whats trashy or ratchet...everyone is FREE to be who they are even if they are only that person for a short time. The pearl clutching and what not is antique, tired and boring, and reeks of censorship. Its not like you can only censor untalented people, right? Once you start censoring - it effects everyone...and thats a slippery slope isnt it?

^ yeah, true. people are free to be themselves. but, when art conveys a less than wholesome message, it is imperative that the audience feel free to challenge the ideas with which they disagree.

babynoz said:

^^This reminds me of the reason why people in rehab are advised to change their environment and friends. People who knew the person way back when will never allow them to live anything down and will use it to try keep them where they are forever.

Moreover, they will resent that person and accuse them of being"holier than thou" for making what they feel are positive changes in their lives. Bring anything spiritual into the conversation and they will come for your head.


Poor Prince is stuck with his fans though....and sadly, now Hannah is too.

Tamar

Shelbey

Bria

Andy

Who's the next target?

This is true and I've seen it happen a lot

But in most cases when I've noticed the 'holier than thou' comback, is when the 'converted' turns their nose up at those they used to run with. I've never seen it much when they 'converted' owns their life and is humble (and I'm not saying it doesn't happen, there are some people that not matter what change you make they will attack you)

.

Sorta reminds me of everytime a sports figure 'finds Jesus' they condemn homosexuality. I never get that one.

.

But with Prince, he at times acts like what he did was 'sinful' and that's where the fingerwagging, 'don't do what I did' (like he was the only and the first) comes from I think.

terrig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That's the part that gets to me the 'fingerwagging'

He comes across out being out of touch.

Like at that BET show where he was acknowledged and Alicia Keys got on the piano when playing Adore

He seemed ashamed of his past when he spoke to the crowd

I hear you, and maybe he'll eventually get past feeling guilty about it...of course everyone grows up and lets go of things in their past, that doesnt mean they need to feel bad about it. Prince has done far more good in this world than a whole lot of people...I cant for the life of me understand feeling as though his past is problematic ....Its an artisitic legacy in his case that in no way demeans his character or who he is as a soul on this planet. Its too bad he feels apologetic, but the freedom to express all that is what music is FOR, its for vulgar just as much as its for good, for political, for praise and for joy...more important than whats trashy or ratchet...everyone is FREE to be who they are even if they are only that person for a short time. The pearl clutching and what not is antique, tired and boring, and reeks of censorship. Its not like you can only censor untalented people, right? Once you start censoring - it effects everyone...and thats a slippery slope isnt it?

I think for other reasons, Prince has a big disconnect with the whole 1980s period in general. Because I do think Prince is fighting against that fame.

He also said in a 2000s interview I believe, that he doesn't like righting from an angry place. And I understand how walking in anger is not a good thing. But it really is how you direct the anger and express it. Anger is a natural human emotion. That's why I got excited for the Gold exp when I first heard I Hate U

.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

^^This reminds me of the reason why people in rehab are advised to change their environment and friends. People who knew the person way back when will never allow them to live anything down and will use it to try keep them where they are forever.

Moreover, they will resent that person and accuse them of being"holier than thou" for making what they feel are positive changes in their lives. Bring anything spiritual into the conversation and they will come for your head.


Poor Prince is stuck with his fans though....and sadly, now Hannah is too.

Tamar

Shelbey

Bria

Andy

Who's the next target?

This is true and I've seen it happen a lot

But in most cases when I've noticed the 'holier than thou' comback, is when the 'converted' turns their nose up at those they used to run with. I've never seen it much when they 'converted' owns their life and is humble (and I'm not saying it doesn't happen, there are some people that not matter what change you make they will attack you)

.

Sorta reminds me of everytime a sports figure 'finds Jesus' they condemn homosexuality. I never get that one.

.

But with Prince, he at times acts like what he did was 'sinful' and that's where the fingerwagging, 'don't do what I did' (like he was the only and the first) comes from I think.

I get that whole "zeal of the converted" thing and I detest sanctimony as much as the next person. We have been through that with Prince but tbh, at this point I am guessing that he moreso resents people refusing to let him move forward than anything else. He gets accused of being ashamed, but has stated more than once that he isn't. I'm not ashamed of my past but at the same time I don't want it thrown in my face every minute either.

For chrissakes the man cannot even change his hairstyle without grown assed men having a hissy fit about it. Even at this very moment there is excessive weeping and knashing of teeth because he's not working with this or that producer after literally years of people whining that he needs a producer.

And people wonder why Prince won't say a whole to many people? I don't blame him.

Here's the main point though. People wanna drag poor Hannah, who was not even born when Prince pulled most of his stunts. The Prince of now is the only one that she has ever known and it is patently unfair to judge her by what he did over 30 some odd years ago, much less project onto her what they think she may or may not have done at the time. There is absolutely no basis whatsoever to make that assumption.

Moreover, someone else mentioned censorship but Hannah nor anyone else said a single word about censorship....she's the one folk are trying to silence. Now people wanna drag her like they do his other associates.

Finally, many of us spend time pissing and moaning about the state entertainment but want to stifle somebody who is actually inside the industry for the same thing? If we keep eating shit without saying anything, we will be fed more shit.

XxAxX said:

^ yeah, true. people are free to be themselves. but, when art conveys a less than wholesome message, it is imperative that the audience feel free to challenge the ideas with which they disagree.

The thing is, there is already censorship and nobody is calling for more so that argument is a canard. Hannah expressed an unpopular opinion and, horror of horrors had the nerve speak of Prince as spiritual...

Everybody realizes that there have always been those who have pushed the envelope in entertainment, that ain't nothing new. What people take exception to is ass 24/7/365 to the near exclusion of anyting resembling talent.

We want singing, we get ass.

We want dancing, we get ass.

We want acting, we get ass.

If we're lucky they will throw in some flashing lights and a little smoke once in a while.... How much ass do we need before everything starts to smell like....ass?

Censorship is not the issue....the increasing absence of balance is what some of us object to.

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is true and I've seen it happen a lot

But in most cases when I've noticed the 'holier than thou' comback, is when the 'converted' turns their nose up at those they used to run with. I've never seen it much when they 'converted' owns their life and is humble (and I'm not saying it doesn't happen, there are some people that not matter what change you make they will attack you)

.

Sorta reminds me of everytime a sports figure 'finds Jesus' they condemn homosexuality. I never get that one.

.

But with Prince, he at times acts like what he did was 'sinful' and that's where the fingerwagging, 'don't do what I did' (like he was the only and the first) comes from I think.

I get that whole "zeal of the converted" thing and I detest sanctimony as much as the next person. We have been through that with Prince but tbh, at this point I am guessing that he moreso resents people refusing to let him move forward than anything else. He gets accused of being ashamed, but has stated more than once that he isn't. I'm not ashamed of my past but at the same time I don't want it thrown in my face every minute either.

For chrissakes the man cannot even change his hairstyle without grown assed men having a hissy fit about it. Even at this very moment there is excessive weeping and knashing of teeth because he's not working with this or that producer after literally years of people whining that he needs a producer.

And people wonder why Prince won't say a whole to many people? I don't blame him.

Here's the main point though. People wanna drag poor Hannah, who was not even born when Prince pulled most of his stunts. The Prince of now is the only one that she has ever known and it is patently unfair to judge her by what he did over 30 some odd years ago, much less project onto her what they think she may or may not have done at the time. There is absolutely no basis whatsoever to make that assumption.

Moreover, someone else mentioned censorship but Hannah nor anyone else said a single word about censorship....she's the one folk are trying to silence. Now people wanna drag her like they do his other associates.

Finally, many of us spend time pissing and moaning about the state entertainment but want to stifle somebody who is actually inside the industry for the same thing? If we keep eating shit without saying anything, we will be fed more shit.

Yes, Hannah is speaking from a particular place, and I've read stuff about her when we first heard she was joining the band. So I know that what she is saying is partially from her own ideals.

And I agree with the opinion, especially from that particular show I know they are commenting on. J-Lo and ladies in attendance were very overthetop with all that oiled ass.

.

I think Prince does have issues with his past. Probably moreseo emotional than anything as concerning relationships. But at that show were he was gave that speach of 'don't do what I did' that was first time it really hit me that it seems Prince might be apologetic about certain periods.

.

Message to Hanna, don't add Prince's name in your quotes to validate your ideal. Stand on your thoughts alone.

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is true and I've seen it happen a lot

But in most cases when I've noticed the 'holier than thou' comback, is when the 'converted' turns their nose up at those they used to run with. I've never seen it much when they 'converted' owns their life and is humble (and I'm not saying it doesn't happen, there are some people that not matter what change you make they will attack you)

.

Sorta reminds me of everytime a sports figure 'finds Jesus' they condemn homosexuality. I never get that one.

.

But with Prince, he at times acts like what he did was 'sinful' and that's where the fingerwagging, 'don't do what I did' (like he was the only and the first) comes from I think.

I get that whole "zeal of the converted" thing and I detest sanctimony as much as the next person. We have been through that with Prince but tbh, at this point I am guessing that he moreso resents people refusing to let him move forward than anything else. He gets accused of being ashamed, but has stated more than once that he isn't. I'm not ashamed of my past but at the same time I don't want it thrown in my face every minute either.

For chrissakes the man cannot even change his hairstyle without grown assed men having a hissy fit about it. Even at this very moment there is excessive weeping and knashing of teeth because he's not working with this or that producer after literally years of people whining that he needs a producer.

And people wonder why Prince won't say a whole to many people? I don't blame him.

Here's the main point though. People wanna drag poor Hannah, who was not even born when Prince pulled most of his stunts. The Prince of now is the only one that she has ever known and it is patently unfair to judge her by what he did over 30 some odd years ago, much less project onto her what they think she may or may not have done at the time. There is absolutely no basis whatsoever to make that assumption.

Moreover, someone else mentioned censorship but Hannah nor anyone else said a single word about censorship....she's the one folk are trying to silence. Now people wanna drag her like they do his other associates.

Finally, many of us spend time pissing and moaning about the state entertainment but want to stifle somebody who is actually inside the industry for the same thing? If we keep eating shit without saying anything, we will be fed more shit.

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

I get that whole "zeal of the converted" thing and I detest sanctimony as much as the next person. We have been through that with Prince but tbh, at this point I am guessing that he moreso resents people refusing to let him move forward than anything else. He gets accused of being ashamed, but has stated more than once that he isn't. I'm not ashamed of my past but at the same time I don't want it thrown in my face every minute either.

For chrissakes the man cannot even change his hairstyle without grown assed men having a hissy fit about it. Even at this very moment there is excessive weeping and knashing of teeth because he's not working with this or that producer after literally years of people whining that he needs a producer.

And people wonder why Prince won't say a whole to many people? I don't blame him.

Here's the main point though. People wanna drag poor Hannah, who was not even born when Prince pulled most of his stunts. The Prince of now is the only one that she has ever known and it is patently unfair to judge her by what he did over 30 some odd years ago, much less project onto her what they think she may or may not have done at the time. There is absolutely no basis whatsoever to make that assumption.

Moreover, someone else mentioned censorship but Hannah nor anyone else said a single word about censorship....she's the one folk are trying to silence. Now people wanna drag her like they do his other associates.

Finally, many of us spend time pissing and moaning about the state entertainment but want to stifle somebody who is actually inside the industry for the same thing? If we keep eating shit without saying anything, we will be fed more shit.

Yes, Hannah is speaking from a particular place, and I've read stuff about her when we first heard she was joining the band. So I know that what she is saying is partially from her own ideals.

And I agree with the opinion, especially from that particular show I know they are commenting on. J-Lo and ladies in attendance were very overthetop with all that oiled ass.

.

I think Prince does have issues with his past. Probably moreseo emotional than anything as concerning relationships. But at that show were he was gave that speach of 'don't do what I did' that was first time it really hit me that it seems Prince might be apologetic about certain periods.

.

Message to Hanna, don't add Prince's name in your quotes to validate your ideal. Stand on your thoughts alone.

Prince has issues with many things but Im not sure we can say he has more issues with his past then the average person. The difference is being a public figure and having your past constantly dragged into absolutely everything you do. Fer cryin out loud, interviewers are still asking him about the Slave era and beginning every article with some reference to his height.

Hannah's only 24 so she has yet to learn how to steer a convo away from her boss...give her a break.

wonder505 said:

babynoz said:

I get that whole "zeal of the converted" thing and I detest sanctimony as much as the next person. We have been through that with Prince but tbh, at this point I am guessing that he moreso resents people refusing to let him move forward than anything else. He gets accused of being ashamed, but has stated more than once that he isn't. I'm not ashamed of my past but at the same time I don't want it thrown in my face every minute either.

For chrissakes the man cannot even change his hairstyle without grown assed men having a hissy fit about it. Even at this very moment there is excessive weeping and knashing of teeth because he's not working with this or that producer after literally years of people whining that he needs a producer.

And people wonder why Prince won't say a whole to many people? I don't blame him.

Here's the main point though. People wanna drag poor Hannah, who was not even born when Prince pulled most of his stunts. The Prince of now is the only one that she has ever known and it is patently unfair to judge her by what he did over 30 some odd years ago, much less project onto her what they think she may or may not have done at the time. There is absolutely no basis whatsoever to make that assumption.

Moreover, someone else mentioned censorship but Hannah nor anyone else said a single word about censorship....she's the one folk are trying to silence. Now people wanna drag her like they do his other associates.

Finally, many of us spend time pissing and moaning about the state entertainment but want to stifle somebody who is actually inside the industry for the same thing? If we keep eating shit without saying anything, we will be fed more shit.

Girl, when Prince got the fro I swear I thought they were gonna have to set up a damn suicide hotline in this place,

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, Hannah is speaking from a particular place, and I've read stuff about her when we first heard she was joining the band. So I know that what she is saying is partially from her own ideals.

And I agree with the opinion, especially from that particular show I know they are commenting on. J-Lo and ladies in attendance were very overthetop with all that oiled ass.

.

I think Prince does have issues with his past. Probably moreseo emotional than anything as concerning relationships. But at that show were he was gave that speach of 'don't do what I did' that was first time it really hit me that it seems Prince might be apologetic about certain periods.

.

Message to Hanna, don't add Prince's name in your quotes to validate your ideal. Stand on your thoughts alone.

Prince has issues with many things but Im not sure we can say he has more issues with his past then the average person. The difference is being a public figure and having your past constantly dragged into absolutely everything you do. Fer cryin out loud, interviewers are still asking him about the Slave era and beginning every article with some reference to his height.

Hannah's only 24 so she has yet to learn how to steer a convo away from her boss...give her a break.

lol

well I can sorta understand bringing up the slave era because of his reconnection with 'the Masters'
I think my favorite times of Prince interviews were 1985-1986 and 1997-1998 he was very engaging in those periods.
Sometimes I wonder if his lack of interviewing fuels peoples need to question past periods. Or weird things. Some people are just should not interview
Or if what he's doing now is interesting enough.

Even when people interview Sheila E it's the same ole questions: Is he a control freak? etc
.
I had no real issue with Hanna's quote. I agree with. She needs to learn quickly to speak without Prince reference. There is a whole history she might need to look back into to see how Prince put women in the band outfront to speak.

babynoz said:

wonder505 said:

Girl, when Prince got the fro I swear I thought they were gonna have to set up a damn suicide hotline in this place,

lol

It's weird though that Prince get's 'attention' whether good or bad from a physical standpoint the way women can be/are judged physically

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

Prince has issues with many things but Im not sure we can say he has more issues with his past then the average person. The difference is being a public figure and having your past constantly dragged into absolutely everything you do. Fer cryin out loud, interviewers are still asking him about the Slave era and beginning every article with some reference to his height.

Hannah's only 24 so she has yet to learn how to steer a convo away from her boss...give her a break.

lol

well I can sorta understand bringing up the slave era because of his reconnection with 'the Masters'
I think my favorite times of Prince interviews were 1985-1986 and 1997-1998 he was very engaging in those periods.
Sometimes I wonder if his lack of interviewing fuels peoples need to question past periods. Or weird things. Some people are just should not interview
Or if what he's doing now is interesting enough.

Even when people interview Sheila E it's the same ole questions: Is he a control freak? etc
.
I had no real issue with Hanna's quote. I agree with. She needs to learn quickly to speak without Prince reference. There is a whole history she might need to look back into to see how Prince put women in the band outfront to speak.

Well Prince's reticence doesn't help in interviews but I swear I would have gone all Alec Baldwin on some of those clowns by now. I could see them asking about the slave era now but not each and every time over the past twenty some odd years.

Hanna's fine right here in 2014, focusing on music...I think that she, like many people are just getting sick of round the clock ratchetness with little or no balance anymore.

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

Girl, when Prince got the fro I swear I thought they were gonna have to set up a damn suicide hotline in this place,

lol

It's weird though that Prince get's 'attention' whether good or bad from a physical standpoint the way women can be/are judged physically

I've been face to face with him and he is genuinely breathtaking, no lie. Anybody that attractive is gonna get noticed, male or female but no one over the age of 15 should ever obsess over such things.

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol

It's weird though that Prince get's 'attention' whether good or bad from a physical standpoint the way women can be/are judged physically

I've been face to face with him and he is genuinely breathtaking, no lie. Anybody that attractive is gonna get noticed, male or female but no one over the age of 15 should ever obsess over such things.

lol after you remove all the technologies and worries of life a little food a little rest and a little physical obsessions are all we have

OldFriends4Sale said:

babynoz said:

I've been face to face with him and he is genuinely breathtaking, no lie. Anybody that attractive is gonna get noticed, male or female but no one over the age of 15 should ever obsess over such things.

lol after you remove all the technologies and worries of life a little food a little rest and a little physical obsessions are all we have

I have a cat....

babynoz said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol after you remove all the technologies and worries of life a little food a little rest and a little physical obsessions are all we have

I have a cat....

oh yeah company too

babynoz said:

XxAxX said:

^ yeah, true. people are free to be themselves. but, when art conveys a less than wholesome message, it is imperative that the audience feel free to challenge the ideas with which they disagree.

The thing is, there is already censorship and nobody is calling for more so that argument is a canard. Hannah expressed an unpopular opinion and, horror of horrors had the nerve speak of Prince as spiritual...

Everybody realizes that there have always been those who have pushed the envelope in entertainment, that ain't nothing new. What people take exception to is ass 24/7/365 to the near exclusion of anyting resembling talent.

We want singing, we get ass.

We want dancing, we get ass.

We want acting, we get ass.

If we're lucky they will throw in some flashing lights and a little smoke once in a while.... How much ass do we need before everything starts to smell like....ass?

Censorship is not the issue....the increasing absence of balance is what some of us object to.

well said

Oh it's easy, perhaps even a cop-out, to blame the artist. But they are all corporate product. The labels are soliciting/demanding this type of behavior from their female acts.

funksterr said:

I agree. I'm so tired to Byonnce's twat thrusts I could puke. She relies heavily on scant costumes and vulgar body moves, and Nicki Manage or however she spells her name, is a damn disgrace. I never will forget that vulgar booty twitch she did on some TV show last year. I'm just sick of all the damn twerking. It's getting old fast.

funksterr said:

Oh it's easy, perhaps even a cop-out, to blame the artist. But they are all corporate product. The labels are soliciting/demanding this type of behavior from their female acts.

I don't think anyone doubts that but the question is and always has been what price is one willing to pay for a certain kind of success?

Some are willing to pay a higher price than others, obviously.

Shyra said:

I agree. I'm so tired to Byonnce's twat thrusts I could puke. She relies heavily on scant costumes and vulgar body moves, and Nicki Manage or however she spells her name, is a damn disgrace. I never will forget that vulgar booty twitch she did on some TV show last year. I'm just sick of all the damn twerking. It's getting old fast.

babynoz said:

funksterr said:

Oh it's easy, perhaps even a cop-out, to blame the artist. But they are all corporate product. The labels are soliciting/demanding this type of behavior from their female acts.

I don't think anyone doubts that but the question is and always has been what price is one willing to pay for a certain kind of success?

Some are willing to pay a higher price than others, obviously.

True, but if you look at the acts relying on those type of antics, you have to wonder what they are even doing in the music business. They have less talent than a lot of people working ordinary jobs, yet, they have a huge marketing budget behind them. That's all on the labels. They lowered the bar. And then they wonder why people don't buy music anymore.

funksterr said:

babynoz said:

I don't think anyone doubts that but the question is and always has been what price is one willing to pay for a certain kind of success?

Some are willing to pay a higher price than others, obviously.

True, but if you look at the acts relying on those type of antics, you have to wonder what they are even doing in the music business. They have less talent than a lot of people working ordinary jobs, yet, they have a huge marketing budget behind them. That's all on the labels. They lowered the bar. And then they wonder why people don't buy music anymore.

Exactly, which is why I'm wondering why people don't think that something should be said?

One would think that we would be supportive of the few artists who dare to speak up.

Pueroda said:

Thank you, babynoz. I'm so there with you on your point of view.

SoulAlive said:

It's a good thing that she's too young to remember when her "boss" gave us proteges that went onstage dressed like this....

sure..but u want more of this kinda stuff??

SoulAlive said:

It's a good thing that she's too young to remember when her "boss" gave us proteges that went onstage dressed like this....

sure..but u want more of this kinda stuff??