Let's assume that Vanity stayed in the Prince camp,did the Purple Rain movie,and remained with Vanity 6.Let's also assume that Morris and The Time stayed together and remained in the Prince camp.How do you think their future albums would have sounded? What direction would Prince have taken them in? In 1985,Prince began changing his own sound,so I wonder if he would have done the same to these acts.Not sure if I would have liked a Time album that sounds like Parade,with violins and horns,lol.

Here's an interesting thought: Mazarati's 1986 debut album might have been given to The Time.I can easily see Morris Day singing songs like "Player's Ball","100 MPH" and "She's Just That Type Of Lady".Imagine if this album had been a 1986 Time album!

As for Vanity 6....I bet he would have "cleaned" up their image as the 80s wore on.No more nasty songs and no more lingerie...lol...he would have put them in nice evening gowns and gave them some really classy songs like "Miss Understood" and "Cool Love" (which he gave to Sheena Easton).It's hard to imagine that he would have kept them in lingerie,playing the "nasty girl" persona.That would have gotten old quickly.

I'm betting that he would have kept the synth-heavy "Minneapolis sound" for these two groups,at least until the late 80s.

I think if they stayed, like the 1985/86 Period he probably would have allowed more input from the group members, maybe the Revolution members would have keyed in more

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Also remember Ice Cream Castles already had live string used via Novi Novog and a few others.

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I would suspect the Mazarati would have come anyone via BrownMark, but the Family would not have happened or maybe in another form with Susannah Mico Eric Leeds. But Prince discovered St Paul away from the Time anyway, so it's possible the Family would have existed. Just without Jerome & Jellybean.

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The dress style of the Parade era's suites and silk pajama suite looks would have fit well with the Time and Vanity 6, V6 still would have probably had the lace and more of a High Society woman. I posted a few pictures of Vanity in another thread of some pic of her in 1985/86 from her album and such and it fit right with the Parade look. Actually the A6 album wasn't so 'adult' as the V6 album. I could see them doing some saucy stuff like I Wonder U Manic Monday and Diamonds (HerbAlbert & JJackson). I can see the Time doing Movie Star Love or Money Jerk Out(86)

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if Prince let them stretch their wings JJ & TLewis would have added some good maturity

it's interesting to think that the Time might have stayed together if Prince had changed his ways a little (i.e,allowing the members to do other projects outside the band...giving everybody more freedom)

i see the time coming back...with original setting....but no... vanity

SoulAlive said:

it's interesting to think that the Time might have stayed together if Prince had changed his ways a little (i.e,allowing the members to do other projects outside the band...giving everybody more freedom)

Actually I see it as bringing talent to Paisley Park, by 1985/86 Paisley Park as a label soon to be a studio bringing in other acts(I prefer it to have been sculpted protege acts)

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Prince wouldn't have to be spread to thin, and could still create songs for the new groups as well as knowing these people that were in his camp for so long promoting Purple Music and his vision, would do him well. ie BrownMark (Mazarati) and the creative and song writing talent in his own band and the others

OldFriends4Sale said:

SoulAlive said:

it's interesting to think that the Time might have stayed together if Prince had changed his ways a little (i.e,allowing the members to do other projects outside the band...giving everybody more freedom)

Actually I see it as bringing talent to Paisley Park, by 1985/86 Paisley Park as a label soon to be a studio bringing in other acts(I prefer it to have been sculpted protege acts)

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Prince wouldn't have to be spread to thin, and could still create songs for the new groups as well as knowing these people that were in his camp for so long promoting Purple Music and his vision, would do him well. ie BrownMark (Mazarati) and the creative and song writing talent in his own band and the others

I've always said that Paisley Park Records would have succeeded if Prince had kept all of these talented people in his camp.Jam and Lewis were truly valuable and Prince should not have fired them and let them get away.His label needed them! Ande Cymone,Brownmark and others also proved to be good producers.

Mazarati was Brownmark's pet project, not Prince's, so I doubt Mark woulda given up his songs to The Time.

It's a good question, though. Corporate World gives a few hints of what The Time could evolve into but obviously it couldn't evolve similarly to P's sound because it was a concept: CW is just a modernized version of the band's sound, and the band did the same choice when they turned it into Pandemonium. Same goes with V6, I really can't imagine it evolving into anything else. If that Old Dogs New Tricks album was really recorded in the late 90's I'd be really curious to know how it sounded.

databank said:

Mazarati was Brownmark's pet project, not Prince's, so I doubt Mark woulda given up his songs to The Time.

It's a good question, though. Corporate World gives a few hints of what The Time could evolve into but obviously it couldn't evolve similarly to P's sound because it was a concept: CW is just a modernized version of the band's sound, and the band did the same choice when they turned it into Pandemonium. Same goes with V6, I really can't imagine it evolving into anything else. If that Old Dogs New Tricks album was really recorded in the late 90's I'd be really curious to know how it sounded.

Depends on which songs were by Prince and which by BrownMark/Mazarati

100MPH and Jerk Out were obviously by Prince and may the B side Champagne Saturday(?)

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If you think of Take Me With U, Manic Monday, 17 Days, I can easily see what Vanity 6 could have sounded like in 1985/96. Songs like I Wonder U, Mia Bocca, Boys Club etc have vibe that could easily be sung by Vanity 6

OldFriends4Sale said:

databank said:

Mazarati was Brownmark's pet project, not Prince's, so I doubt Mark woulda given up his songs to The Time.

It's a good question, though. Corporate World gives a few hints of what The Time could evolve into but obviously it couldn't evolve similarly to P's sound because it was a concept: CW is just a modernized version of the band's sound, and the band did the same choice when they turned it into Pandemonium. Same goes with V6, I really can't imagine it evolving into anything else. If that Old Dogs New Tricks album was really recorded in the late 90's I'd be really curious to know how it sounded.

Depends on which songs were by Prince and which by BrownMark/Mazarati

100MPH and Jerk Out were obviously by Prince and may the B side Champagne Saturday(?)

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If you think of Take Me With U, Manic Monday, 17 Days, I can easily see what Vanity 6 could have sounded like in 1985/96. Songs like I Wonder U, Mia Bocca, Boys Club etc have vibe that could easily be sung by Vanity 6

We know exactly which songs were by Prince, I see no reason to doubt the data we have on this specific project since almost everyone involved was interviewed by Per Nielsen or others.

Prince composed Kiss, composed and recorded 100 MPH and Jerk Out and wrote the lyrics of Strawberry Lovers and I Guess It's All Over. That's all. It was Mark's pet project, not Prince's. The quite unique sound of the album is definitely the alchemy of Mark/David Z/Mazarati, no matter how Prince-inspired overall.

Now I could imagine Mark being glad to contribute some songs to a The Time album for royalties but I can hardly imagine him giving up the full Mazarati project in favor of a full The Time album and I can even less imagine Prince allowing someone else to ghostwrite a full The Time album at his place

just for fun,I'm gonna compile a 1985 Time album (using the songs that could have been used)....and yes,I'm gonna pretend that Mazarati didn't exist,which would allow BrownMark to contribute a few of those tracks

The Time 'Much Too Hot To Be Cool' (release date: summer 1985)

Chocolate

***"Do Yourself A Favor" was recorded by Prince in 1982 and if I'm not mistaken, it was considered for the 'What Time Is It' album.It's a great song that would have worked well on a Time album.

***the only problem with my tracklist is...there is no slow jam.Anyone have any suggestions of what slow song could have been used? In place of one of those songs?

here is my imaginary second Vanity 6 album

Vanity 6---Sex Shooter (release date: August 1984)

Baby,You're A Trip (lead vocal: Vanity)

databank said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Depends on which songs were by Prince and which by BrownMark/Mazarati

100MPH and Jerk Out were obviously by Prince and may the B side Champagne Saturday(?)

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If you think of Take Me With U, Manic Monday, 17 Days, I can easily see what Vanity 6 could have sounded like in 1985/96. Songs like I Wonder U, Mia Bocca, Boys Club etc have vibe that could easily be sung by Vanity 6

We know exactly which songs were by Prince, I see no reason to doubt the data we have on this specific project since almost everyone involved was interviewed by Per Nielsen or others.

Prince composed Kiss, composed and recorded 100 MPH and Jerk Out and wrote the lyrics of Strawberry Lovers and I Guess It's All Over. That's all. It was Mark's pet project, not Prince's. The quite unique sound of the album is definitely the alchemy of Mark/David Z/Mazarati, no matter how Prince-inspired overall.

Now I could imagine Mark being glad to contribute some songs to a The Time album for royalties but I can hardly imagine him giving up the full Mazarati project in favor of a full The Time album and I can even less imagine Prince allowing someone else to ghostwrite a full The Time album at his place

Champagne Saturday I thought

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No one is saying Mark would have to give up Mazarati tracks 4 the Time

especially since the Time would already be in production of their own album material/w Prince before Mazarati even came into the camp

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Prince did dress them though lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

databank said:

We know exactly which songs were by Prince, I see no reason to doubt the data we have on this specific project since almost everyone involved was interviewed by Per Nielsen or others.

Prince composed Kiss, composed and recorded 100 MPH and Jerk Out and wrote the lyrics of Strawberry Lovers and I Guess It's All Over. That's all. It was Mark's pet project, not Prince's. The quite unique sound of the album is definitely the alchemy of Mark/David Z/Mazarati, no matter how Prince-inspired overall.

Now I could imagine Mark being glad to contribute some songs to a The Time album for royalties but I can hardly imagine him giving up the full Mazarati project in favor of a full The Time album and I can even less imagine Prince allowing someone else to ghostwrite a full The Time album at his place

Champagne Saturday I thought

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No one is saying Mark would have to give up Mazarati tracks 4 the Time

especially since the Time would already be in production of their own album material/w Prince before Mazarati even came into the camp

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Prince did dress them though lol

Parade era Vanity 6

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