2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I didn't anything about others being responsible for his desire?

We are talking about success/fame/ etc As a 1 man band he could only go so far, that's goes for anyone. a singer that will just do acapella every album and live show, will only go so far, same with someone who just plays piano or/and guitar.

.

They all were in similar boats, if you look at their backgrounds 99% came from musical backgrounds and families. and as soon as Prince was old enough he was playing with other musicians ie Andre Cymone and Morris Day (he lived with both of their families for a period)

.

I give Prince and those in his camp during the 1982-1986 years credit for working together in a way that created the best and most diversly extensive catalogue of music

.

I don't think so either but Prince said it felt Morris was. But Prince said a lot of things in that interview that didn't tell the truth about him firing Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis and why the Time broke up

.

"I'm playing the bad guy," says Prince, "but I didn't fire Jimmy and Terry. Morris asked me what I would do in his situation. Remember, it was his band." -1990

.

At thirteen, he formed Grand Central, his first band, with some high school friends. Grand Central often traveled to local hotels and gyms to band-battle with their black competition: Cohesion, from the derided "bourgeois" South Side, and Flyte Time, which, with the addition of Morris Day, would later evolve into the Time. -1985

.

Why did Morris say such negative things about you after he left the band?

People who leave usually do so out of a need to express something they can't do here. It's really that simple. Morris, for example, always wanted to be a solo act, period. But when you're broke and selling shoes someplace, you don't think about asking such a thing. Now, I think Morris is trying to create his own identity. One of the ways of doing that is trying to pretend that you don't have a past.- 1985

.

Even though the Family didn't have the 3 album period the Time did, the Family/FDelux shows a level of diversity with song writing and experimentation, that I wish Morris Day would take. That's why Jellybean loves working with the Family now over the Time, he has involvement and layers with this group. lol maybe they need a woman or 2 to join the band. But look what Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis did via Janet Jackson, the SOS band a many others, lots of diversity in writing and such. Maybe that's why this Condensation album is so much better than a lot of Morris solo stuff, Jesse Johnson was really good and layered song writing and many different topics. As a group they kill, and they have that life long friendship thing that makes magic.

[Edited 1/22/14 10:48am]

Nope, I didn't say you specifically, mentioned anything about others being responsible for his desire for music and becoming a musician. I was stating that often times, many of his fans tend to give credit, especially to the Revolution band members as though, they were all responsible for his creative, music vision/desire, and the reason he became known, when he was a talented/gifted musician long before he performed with the Revolution members. I do however, believe that the Purple Rain movie, helped to propel him to a specific level of fame, because the movie gave the audience an inside, front row seat into his talent as a musician/performer on screen. His stage performance in the movie and how he presented his talents musically/performance-wise, won a lot of people over and had them in awe.

As far as Morris Day's character in the Purple Rain movie, I think his character assisted in balancing and steering the mood of the movie--from the emotional scenes of Prince's character, including that of the characters of the actors who played Prince's, fictional parents--towards moments of laughter, which helped to keep the audience in an 'up' mood. You mentioned that Morris, also came from a musical background, which is odd that for the past 20 years, he has pigeon-holed himself into performing the same way for over 20 years, with the same 10 songs.

I get what you're saying though, about what some of the former, associated band members are doing now with their music career. And yes I agree that it would be cool if Morris Day did the same and free himself, from the chains of the Purple Rain character, that he is currently living out in his present-day performances. He is much too talented to limit his potential as a musician/artist. Anyway, not much more to be said.

[Edited 1/22/14 18:46pm]

I don't know how much Prince downplays that movie, I know when he did UTCM, he made a comment about PR not being as deep as UTCM. But I totally disagree, Purple Rain was not just some generic pop-rock movie. It was layered it had a lot of emotion. Prince is a very good actor in the way of (non-speaking) expression. There were a lot of scenes cut fom the movie i wish we could see. We definately have the images.

.

Purple Rain did bring the Minneapolis (Prince) scene to the world. Kinda gave us a more inside picture of what we heard in his music. Al the director did a good job in basically pulling from a lot of real life stuff in that scene and making a dual fictional movie. Plus almost all the people from the MC to the Cab driver were a part of Prince's life(camp) we even see the Game Boyz(yuck) Terry Christian (Mazarati) Greg Brook & Wally Safford(dancers) introduced. 'Sheila E' should have had an appearance lol It's a fast moving movie with a lot of imagery -forefront and background.

CocoRock said:

G3000 said:

http://www.pressofatlanti...f887a.html

By ROBERT DiGIACOMO, At The Shore

When Morris Day takes the stage, he still likes to party like it’s 1984. That’s the year the frontman for The Time burst onto the national scene, through his role as Prince’s musical and personal nemesis in “Purple Rain” and biggest hit “Jungle Love.”

*

“It’s almost like, irregardless of how I’m feeling, once the band fires up the first note, we just go there,” says Day, who performs 9 p.m. Saturday, Jan. 18, at Harrah’s Resort in Atlantic City.

Tickets are buy one, get one free at the following link:

http://www.ticketmaster.c...653D41A4AF

*

“It’s hard to not be in a good mood once the music starts playing.”

Over the past 30 years, Day has gone mostly solo, with brief reunions with the original seven members of The Time, including for the 2011 album “Condensate.”

*
Throughout, he has built up a catalog of dance-fueled hits, including The Time’s “Get It Up,” “Cool” and “Jerk Out,” and solo hits such as “Color of Success,” “Fishnet” and “Daydreaming.”

Day also has appeared in movies with Prince (“Graffiti Bridge”) and without (“Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back”), while mostly focusing on his live performances.

Before coming back to Atlantic City, Day talks about how “Purple Rain” changed his life and gets real about what it was like to know — and work with — Prince.

*

Q: You’re performing with two other original members of The Time — Monte Moir and Jellybean Johnson — but not the rest of the lineup. Are there any plans to get back together with the remaining four members, who last toured as The Original 7ven?

A: I kind of like doing what I do with Morris Day and The Time. We bring the party. That’s how I’d rather roll these days. It’s a little painful working with all the original members. We have a lot of chiefs.

*

Q: This year marks the 30th anniversary of “Purple Rain.” What was it like for you to make the movie and experience the hype that went along with it?

A: It was an incredible time. It was all innocent. It was like, “Hey guys, we’re going to make a movie.” We looked up and we were doing a movie. We had no expectations about it. We had never done anything like that before. It all kind of took off and it went crazy.

*

Q: How much of the flamboyant character you play is really you and how much is fictional?

A: I was definitely like him back then. But you know things have changed, and I don’t necessarily live the life like I did back then. I was living, eating, breathing and sleeping it.

Now I can turn it on and off — now I have the off switch.

*

Q: Prince, with his various alter-egos and public stances, is still a bit of a mystery. As someone who was a member of his band and knew him from the beginning, how would you describe him?

A: He’s a musical genius and he’s an a--hole, and back then he was a friend, so he was all of those wrapped in one package. It was really great to see how he could create back then. We would sit up in the studio and fire up a drumbeat — I used to play drums on almost everything. We would start with bass and drums, and at the end of the day, we would have a great song. It was pretty amazing to see how he could come up with stuff. He’s a complicated individual to know as a friend, but it was all good. It was a great experience in my life — I learned a lot.

*

Q: What’s next for you — do you want to do more acting or stick with your music?

A: Life has taught me that I’m not an actor. I didn’t like the work part of it. I didn’t like getting up at 4 or 5 in the morning, and getting on set, and hurry up and get ready. It’s a lot of work — I don’t like to work. If somebody calls me and wants to do something in particular, and it sounds good, and it’s not too time-consuming, I’ll do it. I’m a musician — that’s what I love and that’s how I got in this whole game. I’m fortunate to be out here and people still dig what I do.

© 2014 pressofAtlanticCi...stributed.

[Edited 1/15/14 18:45pm]

Interesting how everything Morris says in regard to their friendship is past tense.

True, probably because there is only the shell of a past friendship

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Nope, I didn't say you specifically, mentioned anything about others being responsible for his desire for music and becoming a musician. I was stating that often times, many of his fans tend to give credit, especially to the Revolution band members as though, they were all responsible for his creative, music vision/desire, and the reason he became known, when he was a talented/gifted musician long before he performed with the Revolution members. I do however, believe that the Purple Rain movie, helped to propel him to a specific level of fame, because the movie gave the audience an inside, front row seat into his talent as a musician/performer on screen. His stage performance in the movie and how he presented his talents musically/performance-wise, won a lot of people over and had them in awe.

As far as Morris Day's character in the Purple Rain movie, I think his character assisted in balancing and steering the mood of the movie--from the emotional scenes of Prince's character, including that of the characters of the actors who played Prince's, fictional parents--towards moments of laughter, which helped to keep the audience in an 'up' mood. You mentioned that Morris, also came from a musical background, which is odd that for the past 20 years, he has pigeon-holed himself into performing the same way for over 20 years, with the same 10 songs.

I get what you're saying though, about what some of the former, associated band members are doing now with their music career. And yes I agree that it would be cool if Morris Day did the same and free himself, from the chains of the Purple Rain character, that he is currently living out in his present-day performances. He is much too talented to limit his potential as a musician/artist. Anyway, not much more to be said.

[Edited 1/22/14 18:46pm]

I don't know how much Prince downplays that movie, I know when he did UTCM, he made a comment about PR not being as deep as UTCM. But I totally disagree, Purple Rain was not just some generic pop-rock movie. It was layered it had a lot of emotion. Prince is a very good actor in the way of (non-speaking) expression. There were a lot of scenes cut fom the movie i wish we could see. We definately have the images.

.

Purple Rain did bring the Minneapolis (Prince) scene to the world. Kinda gave us a more inside picture of what we heard in his music. Al the director did a good job in basically pulling from a lot of real life stuff in that scene and making a dual fictional movie. Plus almost all the people from the MC to the Cab driver were a part of Prince's life(camp) we even see the Game Boyz(yuck) Terry Christian (Mazarati) Greg Brook & Wally Safford(dancers) introduced. 'Sheila E' should have had an appearance lol It's a fast moving movie with a lot of imagery -forefront and background.

Agree, that Purple Rain was definitely deeper than UTCM. Also, not to be negative, but somehow UTCM came off a bit too minstrel during some scenes, and I couldn't take it as serious as the Purple Rain movie. The Purple Rain movie is a classic and basically an introduction to Prince's talents as a musician/artist/performer. I am not sure which parts were 'real life' stuff in that movie, other than many of the actors being from Prince's childhood/or life growing up in Minneapolis. Which parts of PR do you feel were real life?

[Edited 1/23/14 11:15am]

MickyDolenz said:

G3000 said:

Q: Morris, since this is obviously your "day" job and how you make a living, do you ever get sick and tired of playing the same songs, over and over over and over over and over again?

(I'm sure the paying public is entertained, but from MD's POV, this must get old)

Chubby Checker has been singing The Twist since 1960. Here's a performance from January 4, 2014.

...and unfortunatley, that's basically just about all he is known for. Not sure if he's had any other popular hits, other than that one, but good that he is still alive and kicking...I mean twisting.

Nobody doubts Prince's talent including the guys in the Time. Yes he can be an asshole, just look at the name thing. The 07 thing had too many people trying to run it. The touring version is Morris show. As much as us diehard fans would like to hear some new music or different songs played live, most of the people who go to the shows don't care. Usually when they play Blondie or My Drawers most of the audience is looking up like WTF is this. Hell half the people don't even know that's not Jerome. People call Sly Jerome. Sad to say, but as long as they play The Bird and Jungle Love most people are happy. They want that bit from Purple Rain and that's what they get

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't know how much Prince downplays that movie, I know when he did UTCM, he made a comment about PR not being as deep as UTCM. But I totally disagree, Purple Rain was not just some generic pop-rock movie. It was layered it had a lot of emotion. Prince is a very good actor in the way of (non-speaking) expression. There were a lot of scenes cut fom the movie i wish we could see. We definately have the images.

.

Purple Rain did bring the Minneapolis (Prince) scene to the world. Kinda gave us a more inside picture of what we heard in his music. Al the director did a good job in basically pulling from a lot of real life stuff in that scene and making a dual fictional movie. Plus almost all the people from the MC to the Cab driver were a part of Prince's life(camp) we even see the Game Boyz(yuck) Terry Christian (Mazarati) Greg Brook & Wally Safford(dancers) introduced. 'Sheila E' should have had an appearance lol It's a fast moving movie with a lot of imagery -forefront and background.

Agree, that Purple Rain was definitely deeper than UTCM. Also, not to be negative, but somehow UTCM came off a bit too minstrel during some scenes, and I couldn't take it as serious as the Purple Rain movie. The Purple Rain movie is a classic and basically an introduction to Prince's talents as a musician/artist/performer. I am not sure which parts were 'real life' stuff in that movie, other than many of the actors being from Prince's childhood/or life growing up in Minneapolis. Which parts of PR do you feel were real life?

[Edited 1/23/14 11:15am]

I don't mean directly real life, the director said he looked at the world Prince and Vanity 6 the Time presented and a few other things and made a movie out of it. Of course a lot of their life was connected to 1st Avenue, but the biggest part was the 'competitive' nature of Prince (& the noituloveR) and the Time. Which was big throught the movie.

.

Also there were some background family stuff that was a part of and background(if you read the original script) of the musical issues of both parents and their struggles at a career. Prince also said a lot about his mothers 'sexual expression' and her need to be free, that the mother in the movie represented as well as his fathers more disciplined stern nature also represented by the Father in the movie.

.

Also the biracial family, represented Prince's bicultural mixed utopia of life and his own connection to his families mixed heritage from his mothers and fathers side. There was an article I had back then, before PR where Prince was talking about his mother and her female friends her 'wilder & free' expression, her and the friends dying their hair reds and blonds and his mothers 'Italian' side (even though the mother in the movie was Greek)

.

Oh and Prince does ride a motorcycle lol

[Edited 1/23/14 12:03pm]

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't know how much Prince downplays that movie, I know when he did UTCM, he made a comment about PR not being as deep as UTCM. But I totally disagree, Purple Rain was not just some generic pop-rock movie. It was layered it had a lot of emotion. Prince is a very good actor in the way of (non-speaking) expression. There were a lot of scenes cut fom the movie i wish we could see. We definately have the images.

.

Purple Rain did bring the Minneapolis (Prince) scene to the world. Kinda gave us a more inside picture of what we heard in his music. Al the director did a good job in basically pulling from a lot of real life stuff in that scene and making a dual fictional movie. Plus almost all the people from the MC to the Cab driver were a part of Prince's life(camp) we even see the Game Boyz(yuck) Terry Christian (Mazarati) Greg Brook & Wally Safford(dancers) introduced. 'Sheila E' should have had an appearance lol It's a fast moving movie with a lot of imagery -forefront and background.

Agree, that Purple Rain was definitely deeper than UTCM. Also, not to be negative, but somehow UTCM came off a bit too minstrel during some scenes, and I couldn't take it as serious as the Purple Rain movie. The Purple Rain movie is a classic and basically an introduction to Prince's talents as a musician/artist/performer. I am not sure which parts were 'real life' stuff in that movie, other than many of the actors being from Prince's childhood/or life growing up in Minneapolis. Which parts of PR do you feel were real life?

[Edited 1/23/14 11:15am]

I agree, that was Prince mirroring Jerome & Morris from Purple rain because of the spotlight they got for their performance. UTCM was starting off good, you can sorta see where Prince took over the direction. The death at the end was too dramatic and the role of the story didn't really give sympathy to the character of Christopher's death. And that scene was soo dramatic in a funny way. But as a young Prince fan I was a bit sad.

.

It actually if done right could have competed with Purple Rain 1.)let someone skilled in directing/writing do the job 2.)the band(s) should have been in the movie

[Edited 1/23/14 12:21pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Agree, that Purple Rain was definitely deeper than UTCM. Also, not to be negative, but somehow UTCM came off a bit too minstrel during some scenes, and I couldn't take it as serious as the Purple Rain movie. The Purple Rain movie is a classic and basically an introduction to Prince's talents as a musician/artist/performer. I am not sure which parts were 'real life' stuff in that movie, other than many of the actors being from Prince's childhood/or life growing up in Minneapolis. Which parts of PR do you feel were real life?

[Edited 1/23/14 11:15am]

I don't mean directly real life, the director said he looked at the world Prince and Vanity 6 the Time presented and a few other things and made a movie out of it. Of course a lot of their life was connected to 1st Avenue, but the biggest part was the 'competitive' nature of Prince (& the noituloveR) and the Time. Which was big throught the movie.

.

Also there were some background family stuff that was a part of and background(if you read the original script) of the musical issues of both parents and their struggles at a career. Prince also said a lot about his mothers 'sexual expression' and her need to be free, that the mother in the movie represented as well as his fathers more disciplined stern nature also represented by the Father in the movie.

.

Also the biracial family, represented Prince's bicultural mixed utopia of life and his own connection to his families mixed heritage from his mothers and fathers side. There was an article I had back then, before PR where Prince was talking about his mother and her female friends her 'wilder & free' expression, her and the friends dying their hair reds and blonds and his mothers 'Italian' side (even though the mother in the movie was Greek)

.

Oh and Prince does ride a motorcycle lol

[Edited 1/23/14 12:03pm]

Hmm.. I don't want to make my response all about his racial identity, but I have to respectfully disagree with you, about the director creating Prince's character parents in the movie, as a biracial couple, based on the director's interest/intention to bring Prince's heritage or his family's culture to the screen. If that was the case, he would not have made the actress who played his mother in the movie, a White woman, thus, leaving many in the audience with a 'false respresentation' of Prince's real-life mother. He knew Prince did not come from biracial parentage, but a role created to give that impression to the audience, and make it believable.

If the director's intention was to represent Prince's bicultural life, he would have represented and respected, the image of Prince's real life parents as who they were ..Black Americans, living their representation of Black culture, family history and lifestyle. Prince's sister, during many of her interviews, always referred to her parents as 'Black', not mixed, not biracial, and that term comes straight from his biological sister's mouth; not from any fan or movie director. But I do think, a lot of fans actually believed in real life, that Prince was from direct, biracial parentage, when heisn't..

With Prince's mother being the light-skinned Black woman that she was, is nothing 'uncommon' among many Black families in America, where both parents are socially identified either culturally/racially as 'Black or African-American', and may have children who differ in complexion (i.e., light or darker-skinned). Prince's family is no different from many Black families, who often times, those children/adults who are lighter-skinned, but not born directly from biracial parentage,(in this case black/white parentage) often get mistaken for being from direct, biracial parentage. Prince being one who is always mistaken as that.

Also, given the history of slavery in this country, and many generations of children in the past, fathered by many White slaveowners and enslaved Black women, the multitude of varying, complexions of many modern-day Blacks, should not be a surprise in 2014, despite their various cultural/ethnic/societal-economic differences. My last sentence does not apply to present-day biracial couples (mainly black/white couples) who have children today.

Anyway, I feel one of the reasons, the director's chose to make Prince's character's parents a biracial couple, in the movie, was about 'business'--money-- to attracting a multiracial audience, which eventually worked. The director made a lot of money, and Prince's fan base, grew into a much larger, multiracial fan base, because of the Purple Rain movie.

Another reason I think the director, may have chosen to make the parents a biracial couple in the movie, instead of both the characters a Black couple, could have been because he wanted to avoid any accusations of stereotyping/misrepresenting Black families, based on the script containing physical abuse written into the storyline for the father' character, as well as the 'alcoholic' part written for the 'mother' character.. That could have been another reason, just a guess, as stereotypical views of Black families, is not 'uncommon' in Hollywood, TV land, and society period. Despite it all, both the directors and Prince gained from the popularity/success of the movie.

I guess that puts the final nail in the O7 coffin!

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't mean directly real life, the director said he looked at the world Prince and Vanity 6 the Time presented and a few other things and made a movie out of it. Of course a lot of their life was connected to 1st Avenue, but the biggest part was the 'competitive' nature of Prince (& the noituloveR) and the Time. Which was big throught the movie.

.

Also there were some background family stuff that was a part of and background(if you read the original script) of the musical issues of both parents and their struggles at a career. Prince also said a lot about his mothers 'sexual expression' and her need to be free, that the mother in the movie represented as well as his fathers more disciplined stern nature also represented by the Father in the movie.

.

Also the biracial family, represented Prince's bicultural mixed utopia of life and his own connection to his families mixed heritage from his mothers and fathers side. There was an article I had back then, before PR where Prince was talking about his mother and her female friends her 'wilder & free' expression, her and the friends dying their hair reds and blonds and his mothers 'Italian' side (even though the mother in the movie was Greek)

.

Oh and Prince does ride a motorcycle lol

[Edited 1/23/14 12:03pm]

Hmm.. I don't want to make my response all about his racial identity, but I have to respectfully disagree with you, about the director creating Prince's character parents in the movie, as a biracial couple, based on the director's interest/intention to bring Prince's heritage or his family's culture to the screen. If that was the case, he would not have made the actress who played his mother in the movie, a White woman, thus, leaving many in the audience with a 'false respresentation' of Prince's real-life mother. He knew Prince did not come from biracial parentage, but a role created to give that impression to the audience, and make it believable.

If the director's intention was to represent Prince's bicultural life, he would have represented and respected, the image of Prince's real life parents as who they were ..Black Americans, living their representation of Black culture, family history and lifestyle. Prince's sister, during many of her interviews, always referred to her parents as 'Black', not mixed, not biracial, and that term comes straight from his biological sister's mouth; not from any fan or movie director. But I do think, a lot of fans actually believed in real life, that Prince was from direct, biracial parentage, when heisn't..

With Prince's mother being the light-skinned Black woman that she was, is nothing 'uncommon' among many Black families in America, where both parents are socially identified either culturally/racially as 'Black or African-American', and may have children who differ in complexion (i.e., light or darker-skinned). Prince's family is no different from many Black families, who often times, those children/adults who are lighter-skinned, but not born directly from biracial parentage,(in this case black/white parentage) often get mistaken for being from direct, biracial parentage. Prince being one who is always mistaken as that.

Also, given the history of slavery in this country, and many generations of children in the past, fathered by many White slaveowners and enslaved Black women, the multitude of varying, complexions of many modern-day Blacks, should not be a surprise in 2014, despite their various cultural/ethnic/societal-economic differences. My last sentence does not apply to present-day biracial couples (mainly black/white couples) who have children today.

Anyway, I feel one of the reasons, the director's chose to make Prince's character's parents a biracial couple, in the movie, was about 'business'--money-- to attracting a multiracial audience, which eventually worked. The director made a lot of money, and Prince's fan base, grew into a much larger, multiracial fan base, because of the Purple Rain movie.

Another reason I think the director, may have chosen to make the parents a biracial couple in the movie, instead of both the characters a Black couple, could have been because he wanted to avoid any accusations of stereotyping/misrepresenting Black families, based on the script containing physical abuse written into the storyline for the father' character, as well as the 'alcoholic' part written for the 'mother' character.. That could have been another reason, just a guess, as stereotypical views of Black families, is not 'uncommon' in Hollywood, TV land, and society period. Despite it all, both the directors and Prince gained from the popularity/success of the movie.

Ok yeah you went way to deep into the cultural history part.

lol

Prince said in many interviews early on he comes from a mixed world, black n white world etc

That doesn't mean he is biracial. remember Prince's utopian ideal back then was very diverse and all races and types what not.

.

I never said the director want to bring out Prince direct heritage, remember this is a fictional movie, Prince also didn't beat his girlfriends.

.

Prince has played with that Black White Puerto Rican everybody just a freakin utopia and he played with it himself a lot, even still. Newpower Soul, When he called himself 'bushy head Mulatto..'

.

Prince also 'played' with the ideals of a tragic death A Lot, how he may die, and such, so we see that in the movie, and he want the Father to die in the movie, so he made sure he got death in UTCM.

.

The Father was still portrayed as abusive and controlling whether or not in a mixed couple or not.

That ideal would also portray interracial families as troubling and tragic, and paint a bad light on them. Just from reading a lot of interviews and a lot of stuff in Prince's songs, he played with the ideal of being all races and double race and such a lot, male & female, something you'd never understand... From my understanding it was Prince's ideal. Maybe not, but Duality was a big thing: Black n White, Male n Female, Twins all mixed in

Am I Black or White, Am I Straight or Gay, androgenous images and such ran through a lot of his music even into the proteges music:Mazarati, Sheila E the Time the Family

.

Not saying I'm 100% right, but I picked that up thought his career, Prince even before PR portrayed himself mysteriously, and what his life was like and background, so I think he wanted that kind of foot in many world image for the movie.

.

The movie script also had an incestuous scene that didn't make the cut. Another duality thing of his mother making comparisons on his looks to hers and Prince possibly being turned on in confusion. The scene when she ran into his room and end up on his bed.

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Hmm.. I don't want to make my response all about his racial identity, but I have to respectfully disagree with you, about the director creating Prince's character parents in the movie, as a biracial couple, based on the director's interest/intention to bring Prince's heritage or his family's culture to the screen. If that was the case, he would not have made the actress who played his mother in the movie, a White woman, thus, leaving many in the audience with a 'false respresentation' of Prince's real-life mother. He knew Prince did not come from biracial parentage, but a role created to give that impression to the audience, and make it believable.

If the director's intention was to represent Prince's bicultural life, he would have represented and respected, the image of Prince's real life parents as who they were ..Black Americans, living their representation of Black culture, family history and lifestyle. Prince's sister, during many of her interviews, always referred to her parents as 'Black', not mixed, not biracial, and that term comes straight from his biological sister's mouth; not from any fan or movie director. But I do think, a lot of fans actually believed in real life, that Prince was from direct, biracial parentage, when heisn't..

With Prince's mother being the light-skinned Black woman that she was, is nothing 'uncommon' among many Black families in America, where both parents are socially identified either culturally/racially as 'Black or African-American', and may have children who differ in complexion (i.e., light or darker-skinned). Prince's family is no different from many Black families, who often times, those children/adults who are lighter-skinned, but not born directly from biracial parentage,(in this case black/white parentage) often get mistaken for being from direct, biracial parentage. Prince being one who is always mistaken as that.

Also, given the history of slavery in this country, and many generations of children in the past, fathered by many White slaveowners and enslaved Black women, the multitude of varying, complexions of many modern-day Blacks, should not be a surprise in 2014, despite their various cultural/ethnic/societal-economic differences. My last sentence does not apply to present-day biracial couples (mainly black/white couples) who have children today.

Anyway, I feel one of the reasons, the director's chose to make Prince's character's parents a biracial couple, in the movie, was about 'business'--money-- to attracting a multiracial audience, which eventually worked. The director made a lot of money, and Prince's fan base, grew into a much larger, multiracial fan base, because of the Purple Rain movie.

Another reason I think the director, may have chosen to make the parents a biracial couple in the movie, instead of both the characters a Black couple, could have been because he wanted to avoid any accusations of stereotyping/misrepresenting Black families, based on the script containing physical abuse written into the storyline for the father' character, as well as the 'alcoholic' part written for the 'mother' character.. That could have been another reason, just a guess, as stereotypical views of Black families, is not 'uncommon' in Hollywood, TV land, and society period. Despite it all, both the directors and Prince gained from the popularity/success of the movie.

Ok yeah you went way to deep into the cultural history part.

lol

Prince said in many interviews early on he comes from a mixed world, black n white world etc

That doesn't mean he is biracial. remember Prince's utopian ideal back then was very diverse and all races and types what not.

.

I never said the director want to bring out Prince direct heritage, remember this is a fictional movie, Prince also didn't beat his girlfriends.

.

Prince has played with that Black White Puerto Rican everybody just a freakin utopia and he played with it himself a lot, even still. Newpower Soul, When he called himself 'bushy head Mulatto..'

.

Prince also 'played' with the ideals of a tragic death A Lot, how he may die, and such, so we see that in the movie, and he want the Father to die in the movie, so he made sure he got death in UTCM.

.

The Father was still portrayed as abusive and controlling whether or not in a mixed couple or not.

That ideal would also portray interracial families as troubling and tragic, and paint a bad light on them. Just from reading a lot of interviews and a lot of stuff in Prince's songs, he played with the ideal of being all races and double race and such a lot, male & female, something you'd never understand... From my understanding it was Prince's ideal. Maybe not, but Duality was a big thing: Black n White, Male n Female, Twins all mixed in

Am I Black or White, Am I Straight or Gay, androgenous images and such ran through a lot of his music even into the proteges music:Mazarati, Sheila E the Time the Family

.

Not saying I'm 100% right, but I picked that up thought his career, Prince even before PR portrayed himself mysteriously, and what his life was like and background, so I think he wanted that kind of foot in many world image for the movie.

.

The movie script also had an incestuous scene that didn't make the cut. Another duality thing of his mother making comparisons on his looks to hers and Prince possibly being turned on in confusion. The scene when she ran into his room and end up on his bed.

I think a lot of people wish for a human race utopia, nothing new, but again, I believe the directors' idea was to attract a multiracial audience that would lead to bringing in the big money for the movie, and it worked. All that other stuff about the 'cut' scenes...I'm glad it made the cutting room floor. Those scenes may have been in way too deep.

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Ok yeah you went way to deep into the cultural history part.

lol

Prince said in many interviews early on he comes from a mixed world, black n white world etc

That doesn't mean he is biracial. remember Prince's utopian ideal back then was very diverse and all races and types what not.

.

I never said the director want to bring out Prince direct heritage, remember this is a fictional movie, Prince also didn't beat his girlfriends.

.

Prince has played with that Black White Puerto Rican everybody just a freakin utopia and he played with it himself a lot, even still. Newpower Soul, When he called himself 'bushy head Mulatto..'

.

Prince also 'played' with the ideals of a tragic death A Lot, how he may die, and such, so we see that in the movie, and he want the Father to die in the movie, so he made sure he got death in UTCM.

.

The Father was still portrayed as abusive and controlling whether or not in a mixed couple or not.

That ideal would also portray interracial families as troubling and tragic, and paint a bad light on them. Just from reading a lot of interviews and a lot of stuff in Prince's songs, he played with the ideal of being all races and double race and such a lot, male & female, something you'd never understand... From my understanding it was Prince's ideal. Maybe not, but Duality was a big thing: Black n White, Male n Female, Twins all mixed in

Am I Black or White, Am I Straight or Gay, androgenous images and such ran through a lot of his music even into the proteges music:Mazarati, Sheila E the Time the Family

.

Not saying I'm 100% right, but I picked that up thought his career, Prince even before PR portrayed himself mysteriously, and what his life was like and background, so I think he wanted that kind of foot in many world image for the movie.

.

The movie script also had an incestuous scene that didn't make the cut. Another duality thing of his mother making comparisons on his looks to hers and Prince possibly being turned on in confusion. The scene when she ran into his room and end up on his bed.

I think a lot of people wish for a human race utopia, nothing new, but again, I believe the directors' idea was to attract a multiracial audience that would lead to bringing in the big money for the movie, and it worked. All that other stuff about the 'cut' scenes...I'm glad it made the cutting room floor. Those scenes may have been in way too deep.

I think it was a combination, He could have easily cast 2 parents who looked just like Prince and race would have been even more ambiguous. Remember it was Prince's story, the guy just directed it and put it together. And Prince presented himself a mixed(which technically he is, just not biracial) long before the PR movie press. Even lowered his age, I think took 3-5 years off?

.

But yeah the other stuff, well there were some other scenes, club scenes, scenes with the band(I believe Brownmark had a speaking part) and a few more scenes that would help make the movie fuller. And show a bit more build up to Prince's anger in eventually hitting Apollonia. The scene with the mother, was interesting to read, but didn't need to go into the movie. The Barn scene ...hmmm

.

Yeah, ok back to the Time/Morris Day lol we R way off topic

But cool conversation

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

I think a lot of people wish for a human race utopia, nothing new, but again, I believe the directors' idea was to attract a multiracial audience that would lead to bringing in the big money for the movie, and it worked. All that other stuff about the 'cut' scenes...I'm glad it made the cutting room floor. Those scenes may have been in way too deep.

I think it was a combination, He could have easily cast 2 parents who looked just like Prince and race would have been even more ambiguous. Remember it was Prince's story, the guy just directed it and put it together. And Prince presented himself a mixed(which technically he is, just not biracial) long before the PR movie press. Even lowered his age, I think took 3-5 years off?

.

But yeah the other stuff, well there were some other scenes, club scenes, scenes with the band(I believe Brownmark had a speaking part) and a few more scenes that would help make the movie fuller. And show a bit more build up to Prince's anger in eventually hitting Apollonia. The scene with the mother, was interesting to read, but didn't need to go into the movie. The Barn scene ...hmmm

.

Yeah, ok back to the Time/Morris Day lol we R way off topic

But cool conversation

(Bolded part) As technically all Black Americans have a mixed background in their family history, but...by Prince giving the impression he was biracial, kept the mystery/curiosity/interest going about his racial identity, among fans regarding his race, which played right into the Purple Rain movie, based on the actors who played his parents, as it kept fans talking/wondering/questioning his racial identity to present day.

About the cuts scenes, I purchased the DVD Purple Rain movie that claims it has deleted scenes, but I haven't even open the packet yet/or watched the DVD. Just thought after all these years as a fan, I never bought the VHS/DVD of the Purple Rain movie until recently. Anyway, yes, interesting conversation and we actually remained 'neutral', which is a first for us..., and yes back on topic. Sorry Morris, I forgot this thread was all about you.

[Edited 1/24/14 10:15am]

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think it was a combination, He could have easily cast 2 parents who looked just like Prince and race would have been even more ambiguous. Remember it was Prince's story, the guy just directed it and put it together. And Prince presented himself a mixed(which technically he is, just not biracial) long before the PR movie press. Even lowered his age, I think took 3-5 years off?

.

But yeah the other stuff, well there were some other scenes, club scenes, scenes with the band(I believe Brownmark had a speaking part) and a few more scenes that would help make the movie fuller. And show a bit more build up to Prince's anger in eventually hitting Apollonia. The scene with the mother, was interesting to read, but didn't need to go into the movie. The Barn scene ...hmmm

.

Yeah, ok back to the Time/Morris Day lol we R way off topic

But cool conversation

(Bolded part) As technically all Black Americans have a mixed background in their family history, but...by Prince giving the impression he was biracial, kept the mystery/curiosity/interest going about his racial identity, among fans regarding his race, which played right into the Purple Rain movie, based on the actors who played his parents, as it kept fans talking/wondering/questioning his racial identity to present day.

About the cuts scenes, I purchased the DVD Purple Rain movie that claims it has deleted scenes, but I haven't even open the packet yet/or watched the DVD. Just thought after all these years as a fan, I never bought the VHS/DVD of the Purple Rain movie until recently. Anyway, yes, interesting conversation and we actually remained 'neutral', which is a first for us..., and yes back on topic. Sorry Morris, I forgot this thread was all about you.

[Edited 1/24/14 10:15am]

yeah most whites from pre-1950s have some kind of mixed background too, lol overall we might all be mulattoes.

.

Well definately share what you have on that with the Org, if they have the deleted scenes. I know the trailer shows deleted scenes and (When Doves Cry video) but if yours has the please do let us know.

.

LOL yes we did, I would actually like to hear Morris lead a few Prince songs, just to see how he presents them. Would be cool if he lead the Revolution at a tribute for Prince:Pop Life, Baby I'm A Star, Movie Star, Mutiny, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Love or Money, Possessed,...

2elijah said:

MickyDolenz said:

Chubby Checker has been singing The Twist since 1960. Here's a performance from January 4, 2014.

...and unfortunatley, that's basically just about all he is known for. Not sure if he's had any other popular hits, other than that one, but good that he is still alive and kicking...I mean twisting.

He had some other hits, but they were mostly dance craze related like Limbo Rock. He has records that were non-dance, but they never really caught on. Chubby even released a psychedelic rock album, but he got typecast as "The Twist" guy.

OldFriends4Sale said:

What I wonder is why Morris (as far as I know) doesn't sing his OWN songs during live shows. I saw MD&TT twice back in 97 and I have the live album from 04 and it's all Prince stuff. Morris released 3 solo studio albums + the one with The DayZ's, and at least his 2 first albums enjoyed minor but reasonable success. I don't understand why he wouldn't sing Fishnet or Color Of Success live, these r solid songs (honestly I find everything on the 4 albums quite solid).

databank said:

What I wonder is why Morris (as far as I know) doesn't sing his OWN songs during live shows. I saw MD&TT twice back in 97 and I have the live album from 04 and it's all Prince stuff. Morris released 3 solo studio albums + the one with The DayZ's, and at least his 2 first albums enjoyed minor but reasonable success. I don't understand why he wouldn't sing Fishnet or Color Of Success live, these r solid songs (honestly I find everything on the 4 albums quite solid).

They do Fishnet and The Oak Tree at every show. Would be Cool if he did some other stuff as well though.

Rhastus said:

databank said:

What I wonder is why Morris (as far as I know) doesn't sing his OWN songs during live shows. I saw MD&TT twice back in 97 and I have the live album from 04 and it's all Prince stuff. Morris released 3 solo studio albums + the one with The DayZ's, and at least his 2 first albums enjoyed minor but reasonable success. I don't understand why he wouldn't sing Fishnet or Color Of Success live, these r solid songs (honestly I find everything on the 4 albums quite solid).

They do Fishnet and The Oak Tree at every show. Would be Cool if he did some other stuff as well though.

That's good news, they didn't back then. More would be nice, indeed, though. I wonder if Morris has composed a single song since 1993

databank said:

What I wonder is why Morris (as far as I know) doesn't sing his OWN songs during live shows. I saw MD&TT twice back in 97 and I have the live album from 04 and it's all Prince stuff. Morris released 3 solo studio albums + the one with The DayZ's, and at least his 2 first albums enjoyed minor but reasonable success. I don't understand why he wouldn't sing Fishnet or Color Of Success live, these r solid songs (honestly I find everything on the 4 albums quite solid).

Not true! Eye've seen Morris per4rm with the "wanna b" The Time several times, even during an attempt once by Jerome to pull me on stage with them. Each time Morris did his solo hits.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

databank said:

What I wonder is why Morris (as far as I know) doesn't sing his OWN songs during live shows. I saw MD&TT twice back in 97 and I have the live album from 04 and it's all Prince stuff. Morris released 3 solo studio albums + the one with The DayZ's, and at least his 2 first albums enjoyed minor but reasonable success. I don't understand why he wouldn't sing Fishnet or Color Of Success live, these r solid songs (honestly I find everything on the 4 albums quite solid).

Not true! Eye've seen Morris per4rm with the "wanna b" The Time several times, even during an attempt once by Jerome to pull me on stage with them. Each time Morris did his solo hits.

That's good news, they didn't back then. More would be nice, indeed, though. I wonder if Morris has composed a single song since 1993

Eye doubt it! He seems lazy and not as prolific as Prince..

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Eye doubt it! He seems lazy and not as prolific as Prince..

There's no contest. Morris produced a few really solid funk records but to compare him with Prince makes no sense.

Hey OF4S. You know who Morris Day reminds me of? Kid Creole and the Coconuts. I watched one of their vids last night, and quite frankly I could see Morris Day, changing his entire act similar to Kid Creole's by adding females to his act, and still slightly playing the 'Gigolo/suave' role, with some new songs. Kid Creole and Morris Day's stage personas are somewhat similar.

Eye wonder why Morris has never let anyone c him play the drums or went the route of Sheila E and add it to his stage show??? Hardly anyone knows that he even plays....

databank said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Eye doubt it! He seems lazy and not as prolific as Prince..

There's no contest. Morris produced a few really solid funk records but to compare him with Prince makes no sense.

Sadly, I think this last album the O7 produced had the potential to open the door or creativity, I mean besides Morris -Jesse Johnson and his song writing and musicianship, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis Master Producers and writers

2elijah said:

Hey OF4S. You know who Morris Day reminds me of? Kid Creole and the Coconuts. I watched one of their vids last night, and quite frankly I could see Morris Day, changing his entire act similar to Kid Creole's by adding females to his act, and still slightly playing the 'Gigolo/suave' role, with some new songs. Kid Creole and Morris Day's stage personas are somewhat similar.

Yeah, I know what you mean, With their 2nd album and Ice Cream Castles with use of women characters like Vanity and of course Jill Jones in the mix, I could easily see the Time or Morris Day expanded into a more diverse band.

.

I mean during the 1999 era the Time & Vanity 6 were meshed together a lot anyway

2elijah said:

Hey OF4S. You know who Morris Day reminds me of? Kid Creole and the Coconuts. I watched one of their vids last night, and quite frankly I could see Morris Day, changing his entire act similar to Kid Creole's by adding females to his act, and still slightly playing the 'Gigolo/suave' role, with some new songs. Kid Creole and Morris Day's stage personas are somewhat similar.

I wouldn't go as far but as I said earlier in this thread a Day/Darnell duet is long overdue, it would be awesome!

2elijah said:

Hey OF4S. You know who Morris Day reminds me of? Kid Creole and the Coconuts. I watched one of their vids last night, and quite frankly I could see Morris Day, changing his entire act similar to Kid Creole's by adding females to his act, and still slightly playing the 'Gigolo/suave' role, with some new songs. Kid Creole and Morris Day's stage personas are somewhat similar.

Something I was think about people known for a character today, I was think about Mark Hamill who played Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker in Star Wars IV V VI

a character/role like that can become so solidified that the 'actor' can't or isn't allowed to break out of that role.

Now of course Morris Day is not on the same level of Star Wars/Luke Skywalker, but I think the same may have happened to him, in that people see 'comedic' Morris of Purple Rain as well as the persona of The Time/What Time Is It/Ice Cream Castles etc

As a protege band, Prince had a very tight hold on them. Whereas when you look at Sheila E:the Glamorous Life, Romance 1600, Sheila E (Sheila E of SOTT/Lovesexy) you see her allowed to evolve change/change looks, change sound, the band had more freedom, even on certain songs like Merci4theSpeedofAMadClowninSummer, 2 Sexy and a few other Bsides -Prince allowed the band to create those. The Time had no say, except for Morris working with Prince and some of his bandmembers on Time songs, and the Bird/Jungle Love that was more of a band effort.

Seeing what Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis were capable of if Prince harnessed that and put it to work for him, the Time could have gone further which would have given him more freedom to do other things having established them.

.

A few other here have said, and I agree, that UTCM would have been a perfect movie for the Time. I always wonder what the Time & Vanity 6 would have been like during the Parade era. What kind of evolution the groups would take, they definately had more stories to tell. And this is why to this day when I hear about Prince having a 'protege' I perk up and have hopes that he can make something work for the current era that meshes with his own album and create a stirr, but overall I think that 1980s time created a fantasy/reality world that's so founational to the mystic of Prince and his genius.

I can easily see Morris Day and the Time transitioning to the silk / pajamas look of the Parade era, songs the focus on 'making it' having fun, but songs that begin to question lifes directions like:Money Don't Matter Tonight, Movie Star, High Fashion, the Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Pop Life, Dead On It,

I think of Vanity 6 and see their look easily transitioning from this 2 that

[Edited 1/29/14 9:12am]