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A Sheila interview from way back in the day: "People wrongly assume I've gotten where I have because of Prince"

I found this interview while searching for some info for my other thread about Sheila touring with Lionel Richie and I thought some people here might find it fun to read. (The picture is from a different interview; I just added it here to give the thread some visual flava.)





http://articles.philly.co...nel-richie

Sheila E: Her Prince Has Come

Posted: January 30, 1987

Sheila E. must be some sly card player. Why, she hardly even shows her hand in an interview, prompted by the artist's appearances tonight through Sunday at the Sands in Atlantic City.

"Now, you'll hold this to 10 minutes, won't you?," suggests her publicist, before putting the 29-year-old Miss E. (nee Escovedo) on the line to talk about life in libido pop land.


Oh, things are moving hot and heavy, we learn in our 20-minute chat. (So I lied a little.) Her single of the moment, "Hold Me" - a mellow ballad change of pace after erotic hip-grinders like "Glamorous Life" and "A Love Bizarre" - is doing "better than anyone expected besides me," says Ms. Eeeeee.


Her recently concluded six-month run as opening act for Lionel Richie - a performer for whom Sheila used to toil as a mere backline percussionist - likewise expanded her reach. "I was a little nervous, 'cause it introduced me to a whole 'nother audience - older and, um, mellower - than came to see me when I was touring with Prince on the 'Purple Rain' show. But it came off great, and I didn't even have to change my material. That's why I'm ready now to face the Atlantic City audiences. Working with Lionel built up my confidence."


No, this hot tamale won't reveal whether those rumors (initiated by her dad) of her imminent marriage to Prince are true. Sheila E. does confirm, however, that (a) she's moving to his hometown of Minneapolis, (b) "playing and working every day in the studio" with His Royal Badness, (c) "may" join Prince's next band, (d) considers Prince her "best friend" - why, they even share suits. And (e) she is planning to wed soon, but "to whom" is a (Minnesota) state secret.


"I'd love to tell you what's going on in my love life, but gosh, it looks like we're out of time," she says with a cute laugh. "Besides, you'll know soon enough." Click.


Oh, so much to do and so little time! Didja know that besides writing, singing, playing on and producing her own records, Sheila E. rules a mini- business empire, steering a staff of 22 people: tour bookers, musicians, stage hands, wardrobe people . . .


Plus, she's keeping an eye on the Oakland, Calif. nightclub (Escovedeo's) that she financed for her dad, Pete Escovedo, the Mexican/American conga player who won recognition working in the Santana band.


"People thought I grew up rich, but dad spent most of his life struggling as a band leader in the Latin music scene," she says. And when he wasn't working, he was waving his calloused, work-roughened hands in front of Sheila, trying to convince his musically inclined daughter to do something else for a living besides play percussion for five to seven hours a night.


"He bought me a violin when I was five," she recalls. "I hated it." Sheila much preferred watching what dad did in rehearsals, and would take to the timbales to mimic his moves when the band would go on break.


She never took a formal lesson on the drums, but by the time she was 15 Sheila was good enough to get paying gigs with jazz notables like Herbie Hancock and George Duke. Those prestige dates led, in turn, to less demanding but better paying pop work with the likes of Lionel Richie, Jeffrey Osbourne, Diana Ross, Marvin Gaye and Al Jarreau.


It was backstage after one Jarreau concert that she met Prince - then making his first recording. Soon afterward, she went to watch him work, found his stage attire (underwear and leg-warmers) kinky, but dug the sounds. He asked her to join the band. She told him her nightly fee. He confessed he couldn't afford her.


Years later, Prince invited her to the studio to help him record "Erotic City." Afterward, he asked her, "Why don't you do your own record?" He booked the studio time and split town. Taking up the challenge, Sheila spent just five days making an album, which Prince then sold to Warner Brothers.


The rest should be history, but Sheila E. points out that "people wrongly assume I've gotten where I have because of Prince. They think he 'made me,' just like he's made other female artists." (Vanity and Apollonia, for instance.) "I don't deny that Prince hasn't helped me. But I'm much more my own creation. Maybe 90 percent.


"Don't forget I was a musician long before I ever met Prince," Sheila E. cautions. "That's a big difference between me and those other women he's worked with. We operate on the same plane, as equals. That's why we get along so well, why we're best friends."

[Edited 7/30/13 10:34am]

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Reply #1 posted 07/30/13 4:49pm

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Efan said:

I found this interview while searching for some info for my other thread about Sheila touring with Lionel Richie and I thought some people here might find it fun to read. (The picture is from a different interview; I just added it here to give the thread some visual flava.)





http://articles.philly.co...nel-richie

Sheila E: Her Prince Has Come

Posted: January 30, 1987

Sheila E. must be some sly card player. Why, she hardly even shows her hand in an interview, prompted by the artist's appearances tonight through Sunday at the Sands in Atlantic City.

"Now, you'll hold this to 10 minutes, won't you?," suggests her publicist, before putting the 29-year-old Miss E. (nee Escovedo) on the line to talk about life in libido pop land.


Oh, things are moving hot and heavy, we learn in our 20-minute chat. (So I lied a little.) Her single of the moment, "Hold Me" - a mellow ballad change of pace after erotic hip-grinders like "Glamorous Life" and "A Love Bizarre" - is doing "better than anyone expected besides me," says Ms. Eeeeee.


Her recently concluded six-month run as opening act for Lionel Richie - a performer for whom Sheila used to toil as a mere backline percussionist - likewise expanded her reach. "I was a little nervous, 'cause it introduced me to a whole 'nother audience - older and, um, mellower - than came to see me when I was touring with Prince on the 'Purple Rain' show. But it came off great, and I didn't even have to change my material. That's why I'm ready now to face the Atlantic City audiences. Working with Lionel built up my confidence."


No, this hot tamale won't reveal whether those rumors (initiated by her dad) of her imminent marriage to Prince are true. Sheila E. does confirm, however, that (a) she's moving to his hometown of Minneapolis, (b) "playing and working every day in the studio" with His Royal Badness, (c) "may" join Prince's next band, (d) considers Prince her "best friend" - why, they even share suits. And (e) she is planning to wed soon, but "to whom" is a (Minnesota) state secret.


"I'd love to tell you what's going on in my love life, but gosh, it looks like we're out of time," she says with a cute laugh. "Besides, you'll know soon enough." Click.


Oh, so much to do and so little time! Didja know that besides writing, singing, playing on and producing her own records, Sheila E. rules a mini- business empire, steering a staff of 22 people: tour bookers, musicians, stage hands, wardrobe people . . .


Plus, she's keeping an eye on the Oakland, Calif. nightclub (Escovedeo's) that she financed for her dad, Pete Escovedo, the Mexican/American conga player who won recognition working in the Santana band.


"People thought I grew up rich, but dad spent most of his life struggling as a band leader in the Latin music scene," she says. And when he wasn't working, he was waving his calloused, work-roughened hands in front of Sheila, trying to convince his musically inclined daughter to do something else for a living besides play percussion for five to seven hours a night.


"He bought me a violin when I was five," she recalls. "I hated it." Sheila much preferred watching what dad did in rehearsals, and would take to the timbales to mimic his moves when the band would go on break.


She never took a formal lesson on the drums, but by the time she was 15 Sheila was good enough to get paying gigs with jazz notables like Herbie Hancock and George Duke. Those prestige dates led, in turn, to less demanding but better paying pop work with the likes of Lionel Richie, Jeffrey Osbourne, Diana Ross, Marvin Gaye and Al Jarreau.


It was backstage after one Jarreau concert that she met Prince - then making his first recording. Soon afterward, she went to watch him work, found his stage attire (underwear and leg-warmers) kinky, but dug the sounds. He asked her to join the band. She told him her nightly fee. He confessed he couldn't afford her.


Years later, Prince invited her to the studio to help him record "Erotic City." Afterward, he asked her, "Why don't you do your own record?" He booked the studio time and split town. Taking up the challenge, Sheila spent just five days making an album, which Prince then sold to Warner Brothers.


The rest should be history, but Sheila E. points out that "people wrongly assume I've gotten where I have because of Prince. They think he 'made me,' just like he's made other female artists." (Vanity and Apollonia, for instance.) "I don't deny that Prince hasn't helped me. But I'm much more my own creation. Maybe 90 percent.


"Don't forget I was a musician long before I ever met Prince," Sheila E. cautions. "That's a big difference between me and those other women he's worked with. We operate on the same plane, as equals. That's why we get along so well, why we're best friends."

[Edited 7/30/13 10:34am]

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Reply #2 posted 07/31/13 2:50am

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I laughed at that part,too lol falloff

Some of these journalists were so clueless.

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Reply #3 posted 07/31/13 9:11am

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Jill Jones said that "The Glamorous Life" was originally for her. But Prince snuck Sheila E in the studio behind her back & recorded it with her & a whole album. She saw Sheila and thought she was just doing session work. Poor Jill!

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #4 posted 07/31/13 9:31am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Jill Jones said that "The Glamorous Life" was originally for her. But Prince snuck Sheila E in the studio behind her back & recorded it with her & a whole album. She saw Sheila and thought she was just doing session work. Poor Jill!


I've never heard Jill was supposed to record it. (Jill's vocals are all over that album, really beefing up Sheila's weak vocal chops, so if that really is the case, maybe a couple songs were originally intended for Jill. Like Oliver's House, for example. Otherwise, I can't see how she would be surprised at Sheila's album since she's on it so much.) And of course Sheila has said that The Glamorous Life was the last song recorded for the album and was never intended for anyone else, so there's more than one side to those stories...

I have always thought Jill's crack about "too bad I can't play the drums" on the extended version of For Love was directed at Sheila and her successful career getting all the attention (at the expense of Jill's). biggrin

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Reply #5 posted 07/31/13 9:44am

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Efan said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Jill Jones said that "The Glamorous Life" was originally for her. But Prince snuck Sheila E in the studio behind her back & recorded it with her & a whole album. She saw Sheila and thought she was just doing session work. Poor Jill!


I've never heard Jill was supposed to record it. (Jill's vocals are all over that album, really beefing up Sheila's weak vocal chops, so if that really is the case, maybe a couple songs were originally intended for Jill. Like Oliver's House, for example. Otherwise, I can't see how she would be surprised at Sheila's album since she's on it so much.) And of course Sheila has said that The Glamorous Life was the last song recorded for the album and was never intended for anyone else, so there's more than one side to those stories...

I have always thought Jill's crack about "too bad I can't play the drums" on the extended version of For Love was directed at Sheila and her successful career getting all the attention (at the expense of Jill's). biggrin

Either way the stars collided & it became Sheila's first & biggest hit. Eye still feel Prince made Sheila a star & sex symbol! Whether she wants to admit it or not. Even though she was talented in her own right. Prince christened her!....It wouldn't have worked the same way for Jill. Even though she got a part in the number#1 hit movie "Purple rain" later.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #6 posted 07/31/13 1:42pm

SoulAlive

I thought that "The Glamorous Life" was originally intended for Apollonia 6 to record? The lyrics are actually about Apollonia,if I'm not mistaken.

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Reply #7 posted 07/31/13 1:53pm

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Efan said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Jill Jones said that "The Glamorous Life" was originally for her. But Prince snuck Sheila E in the studio behind her back & recorded it with her & a whole album. She saw Sheila and thought she was just doing session work. Poor Jill!


I've never heard Jill was supposed to record it. (Jill's vocals are all over that album, really beefing up Sheila's weak vocal chops, so if that really is the case, maybe a couple songs were originally intended for Jill. Like Oliver's House, for example. Otherwise, I can't see how she would be surprised at Sheila's album since she's on it so much.) And of course Sheila has said that The Glamorous Life was the last song recorded for the album and was never intended for anyone else, so there's more than one side to those stories...

I have always thought Jill's crack about "too bad I can't play the drums" on the extended version of For Love was directed at Sheila and her successful career getting all the attention (at the expense of Jill's). biggrin

I still don't understand why Prince didn't produce a Jill Jones debut album in 1984 and released it later that year? There were alot of great tunes that were recorded during that time period."Sugar Walls" could have been Jill's debut single.Other tunes like "G-Spot","Extralovable","No Call U",etc could have been used.Her career could have used that opportunity to take advantage of the Purple Rain hype.

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Reply #8 posted 07/31/13 2:17pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

Prince had a lot on his plate during 1984. Like preparing for a mega million dollar world tour & grooming Sheila E to open for it! He was on the verge of superstardom. Also rehearing The Revolution. Prince is only one person! Stop expecting him to move the universe. Sheila got a half a million sold album from it & a solo career. Only a few are aloud in the industry. What was suppose to happen, happened.....

[Edited 7/31/13 16:45pm]

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #9 posted 07/31/13 3:36pm

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ive always heard that the song was intended 4 apollonia 6 and due 2 apples weak vocals gave it 2 sheila e. apples even said the song was written about her so jill where u come in at??

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ive always heard that the song was intended 4 apollonia 6 and due 2 apples weak vocals gave it 2 sheila e. apples even said the song was written about her so jill where u come in at??

It was (as far as we know): http://www.princevault.co...orous_Life

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Reply #11 posted 07/31/13 10:28pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince had a lot on his plate during 1984. Like preparing for a mega million dollar world tour & grooming Sheila E to open for it! He was on the verge of superstardom. Also rehearing The Revolution. Prince is only one person! Stop expecting him to move the universe. Sheila got a half a million sold album from it & a solo career. Only a few are aloud in the industry. What was suppose to happen, happened.....

Yes,I know he had alot on his plate,but the Sheila E. album took only five days to record rolleyes Jill was in his camp before Sheila was.There were MANY songs lying around,it wouldn't have taken more than a few days to put together a Jill Jones album.He was using her to sing backup on all those other albums anyway....an 8-song Jill Jones debut album could have been put together very quickly.

Imagine if you were Jill (a talented vocalist) and you had to sit around for YEARS and watch everyone else (Vanity 6,The Time,Apollonia 6,Sheila E.,The Family,Mazarati) release albums while you sat around and did nothing.Even other singers outside his camp (Sheena Easton,The Bangles) were getting great songs that Jill could have easily recorded.

[Edited 7/31/13 22:39pm]

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Reply #12 posted 07/31/13 11:44pm

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Prince gave his songs to who he wanted them to have! Him sneaking Sheila E in behind Jill's back to record an album,right under her nose! Proves he didn't want her to know. He also told Jill she didn't have any charisma & needed a boob job. biggrin Prince has a lot of back up singers he didn't produce an album for,that sat around 4ever. Rosie Gaines is one. Shelby J has been with him 4 years, has watched Andy join the tour, an produced one of his best protege albums with. While she has yet to get one. (Besides a song "North Carolina" that took years to come out lol). Jill did get at least one album out of him. Even though it flopped biggrin She said the album was sat on 4ever b 4 it was released. Maybe he just didn't feel she had that "it" factor. I think a movie role was a good deed he did 4 her.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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SoulAlive said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince had a lot on his plate during 1984. Like preparing for a mega million dollar world tour & grooming Sheila E to open for it! He was on the verge of superstardom. Also rehearing The Revolution. Prince is only one person! Stop expecting him to move the universe. Sheila got a half a million sold album from it & a solo career. Only a few are aloud in the industry. What was suppose to happen, happened.....

Yes,I know he had alot on his plate,but the Sheila E. album took only five days to record rolleyes Jill was in his camp before Sheila was.There were MANY songs lying around,it wouldn't have taken more than a few days to put together a Jill Jones album.He was using her to sing backup on all those other albums anyway....an 8-song Jill Jones debut album could have been put together very quickly.

Imagine if you were Jill (a talented vocalist) and you had to sit around for YEARS and watch everyone else (Vanity 6,The Time,Apollonia 6,Sheila E.,The Family,Mazarati) release albums while you sat around and did nothing.Even other singers outside his camp (Sheena Easton,The Bangles) were getting great songs that Jill could have easily recorded.

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It didn't take 5 days to record, or more accurately it took 5 days over a period of several months. Prince recorded very quickly and could dfinitely have provided Jill enough songs but it seems for some reasons he wanted to do something special with her and in the end the quality of her album was worth the while. She probably was frustrated by the time it took but now let's keep in mind that it wasn't as if Prince owed her an album or anything: everyone and their cousin in Minneapolis wanted Prince to write an album for them and release it on Paisley Park, I think it was his prerogative to decide who would have an album and when, wasn't it? Jill finally got one, many didn't.

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SoulAlive said:

Efan said:


I've never heard Jill was supposed to record it. (Jill's vocals are all over that album, really beefing up Sheila's weak vocal chops, so if that really is the case, maybe a couple songs were originally intended for Jill. Like Oliver's House, for example. Otherwise, I can't see how she would be surprised at Sheila's album since she's on it so much.) And of course Sheila has said that The Glamorous Life was the last song recorded for the album and was never intended for anyone else, so there's more than one side to those stories...

I have always thought Jill's crack about "too bad I can't play the drums" on the extended version of For Love was directed at Sheila and her successful career getting all the attention (at the expense of Jill's). biggrin

I still don't understand why Prince didn't produce a Jill Jones debut album in 1984 and released it later that year? There were alot of great tunes that were recorded during that time period."Sugar Walls" could have been Jill's debut single.Other tunes like "G-Spot","Extralovable","No Call U",etc could have been used.Her career could have used that opportunity to take advantage of the Purple Rain hype.


It probably would have been oversaturating the market if he put out a Jill album that year. He definitely had a plethora of songs available to do it, but I doubt Warner Bros. would have wanted yet another one to promote. A better plan (IMO) would have been to add a few more songs to Sheila's debut (as well as Ice Cream Castles).

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Reply #15 posted 08/02/13 1:03am

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I laughed at that part,too lol falloff

Some of these journalists were so clueless.

Yes they were, especially having the gaul to refer to Herbie Hancock and George Duke as mere notables. Good lord. lol

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Jill meant that the majority of the album later title Glamorous Life was supposed to be for her, obviously except the title track which was for Apollonia 6.

I'm glad Sheila E got it. Sheila is sexy but also classier/sweeter than any Prince protogee if you ask me.

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Ottensen said:

SoulAlive said:

I laughed at that part,too lol falloff

Some of these journalists were so clueless.

Yes they were, especially having the gaul to refer to Herbie Hancock and George Duke as mere notables. Good lord. lol

Sheila did play second fiddle, erm confused , conga to both men until Prince collaborated on Glamorous Life with her. She was still a lot more talented and accomplished than the other women Prince presented, so I understand her perspective in these old interviews.

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Reply #18 posted 08/02/13 12:07pm

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I put it like this: Without Prince, it mighta taken a little longer to be as famous as she is.

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Reply #19 posted 08/03/13 4:21am

SoulAlive

Because Jill's album was not released until 1987 (a few years after the Minneapolis Sound had peaked,commercially),she wasn't able to have a hit.All of those other people at least had a hit single or two.They got to take advantage of the Purple Rain hype.

She got a raw deal,that's the bottom line.

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Reply #20 posted 08/03/13 4:23am

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Efan said:

SoulAlive said:

I still don't understand why Prince didn't produce a Jill Jones debut album in 1984 and released it later that year? There were alot of great tunes that were recorded during that time period."Sugar Walls" could have been Jill's debut single.Other tunes like "G-Spot","Extralovable","No Call U",etc could have been used.Her career could have used that opportunity to take advantage of the Purple Rain hype.


It probably would have been oversaturating the market if he put out a Jill album that year. He definitely had a plethora of songs available to do it, but I doubt Warner Bros. would have wanted yet another one to promote. A better plan (IMO) would have been to add a few more songs to Sheila's debut (as well as Ice Cream Castles).

In 1984,I don't think Warners cared if Prince was oversaturating the market lol As hot as he was back then,I doubt that they would have turned him down.

I like the fact the Time's albums only had six songs (three songs on each of the record).That was sorta like their trademark: long,extended jams.

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Reply #21 posted 08/03/13 4:32am

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databank said:

It didn't take 5 days to record, or more accurately it took 5 days over a period of several months. Prince recorded very quickly and could dfinitely have provided Jill enough songs but it seems for some reasons he wanted to do something special with her and in the end the quality of her album was worth the while. She probably was frustrated by the time it took but now let's keep in mind that it wasn't as if Prince owed her an album or anything: everyone and their cousin in Minneapolis wanted Prince to write an album for them and release it on Paisley Park, I think it was his prerogative to decide who would have an album and when, wasn't it? Jill finally got one, many didn't.

Here's what he could have done with Jill Jones....

Jill Jones 'Jill Jones' (release date: December 1984)

Side One---

Sugar Walls

Wednesday

Blue Limousine

Side Two---

Extralovable

Baby You're A Trip

G-Spot

Notice I gave her "Blue Limousine" lol She sings backup vocals on that song anyway,and since Apollonia 6 was a temporary project (after Vanity left,Prince lost interest in this group and their days were numbered),I think it should have gone to Jill.

The two singles could have been "Sugar Walls" and "Blue Limousine".

Yes,Sheena Easton did a good job with "Sugar Walls",but Jill could have done a good job,too.

"Wednesday" is the tune that Jill was supposed to sing in the movie.How cool would it have been to have gotten this track on her debut album back then?

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Reply #22 posted 08/03/13 4:39am

SoulAlive

sorry Efan for going so off-topic lol let's get back to the original purpose of this thread

I wonder if we'll ever get a Sheila E 'Best Of' compilation someday hmmm Unlike many of Prince's other proteges,she actually racked up several hits.

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Jill meant that the majority of the album later title Glamorous Life was supposed to be for her, obviously except the title track which was for Apollonia 6.

I'm glad Sheila E got it. Sheila is sexy but also classier/sweeter than any Prince protogee if you ask me.

It's an odd statement because according to Per Nielsen/Uptown Mag's research most of these Sheila songs had been intended for A6, not Jill eek

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Reply #24 posted 08/03/13 4:53am

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databank said:

Cinny said:

Jill meant that the majority of the album later title Glamorous Life was supposed to be for her, obviously except the title track which was for Apollonia 6.

I'm glad Sheila E got it. Sheila is sexy but also classier/sweeter than any Prince protogee if you ask me.

It's an odd statement because according to Per Nielsen/Uptown Mag's research most of these Sheila songs had been intended for A6, not Jill eek

LOL...its' always confusing when we hear these types of stories ("that song was originally intended for...").In most cases,I don't think anybody really knows for sure.The one thing I've heard is that "The Glamorous Life" (the song) was written about Apollonia.She actually wore a mink coat in the summertime (presumably,summer '83 when she first met Prince).He got a kick out of that,lol.

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SoulAlive said:

sorry Efan for going so off-topic lol let's get back to the original purpose of this thread

I wonder if we'll ever get a Sheila E 'Best Of' compilation someday hmmm Unlike many of Prince's other proteges,she actually racked up several hits.


No worries! biggrin I love this stuff. I could talk about it all day.

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SoulAlive said:

Efan said:


It probably would have been oversaturating the market if he put out a Jill album that year. He definitely had a plethora of songs available to do it, but I doubt Warner Bros. would have wanted yet another one to promote. A better plan (IMO) would have been to add a few more songs to Sheila's debut (as well as Ice Cream Castles).

In 1984,I don't think Warners cared if Prince was oversaturating the market lol As hot as he was back then,I doubt that they would have turned him down.

I like the fact the Time's albums only had six songs (three songs on each of the record).That was sorta like their trademark: long,extended jams.


I wouldn't change a thing about the Time's first two albums, but ICC is pretty slight and could use some more meat. But obviously, since they were essentially as disbanded as Apollonia 6 by that point, Prince probably figured there was no point.

I still say Sheila and Jill would have been in competition if they'd debuted at the same time. But I have to admit that I came late to the Jill party. I like her and I like about half of the album she eventually did get to put out, but I'm definitely on Team Sheila. lol I would have loved it if she had gotten several of the A6 songs, including Blue Limousine and A Million Miles (and maybe even Some Kind of Lover).

By the way, SoulAlive, you really should have been at Sheila's New Jersey concert this past Thursday. She was on fire. It was an amazing show.

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Reply #27 posted 08/03/13 5:55am

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databank said:

It's an odd statement because according to Per Nielsen/Uptown Mag's research most of these Sheila songs had been intended for A6, not Jill eek

LOL...its' always confusing when we hear these types of stories ("that song was originally intended for...").In most cases,I don't think anybody really knows for sure.The one thing I've heard is that "The Glamorous Life" (the song) was written about Apollonia.She actually wore a mink coat in the summertime (presumably,summer '83 when she first met Prince).He got a kick out of that,lol.


What is the source for the belief that TGL or other songs were originally meant for A6? I know Apollonia had a quote saying something like "One of the things I wasn't allowed to talk about back then was how The Glamorous Life was written about me." But is there an official source for saying the song was really going to be done by A6, especially since no version of their recording has ever surfaced? (In sharp contrast to, say, Manic Monday.)

I just wonder because a lot of this seems like hearsay. Or, more probably as I see it, Prince had some lyrics floating around ("She wears a long fur coat of mink...") that Apollonia had already heard and Prince then later paired them with some music.

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Reply #28 posted 08/03/13 6:22am

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Efan said:

I wouldn't change a thing about the Time's first two albums, but ICC is pretty slight and could use some more meat. But obviously, since they were essentially as disbanded as Apollonia 6 by that point, Prince probably figured there was no point.

I agree,ICC is a pretty slight album.One of the songs,"Chili Sauce",isn't even a song at all.It's just a silly skit.Prince should have removed that filler track from the album and included "Chocolate" (a 1982 track) instead.

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Reply #29 posted 08/03/13 6:29am

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Efan said:

SoulAlive said:

LOL...its' always confusing when we hear these types of stories ("that song was originally intended for...").In most cases,I don't think anybody really knows for sure.The one thing I've heard is that "The Glamorous Life" (the song) was written about Apollonia.She actually wore a mink coat in the summertime (presumably,summer '83 when she first met Prince).He got a kick out of that,lol.


What is the source for the belief that TGL or other songs were originally meant for A6? I know Apollonia had a quote saying something like "One of the things I wasn't allowed to talk about back then was how The Glamorous Life was written about me." But is there an official source for saying the song was really going to be done by A6, especially since no version of their recording has ever surfaced? (In sharp contrast to, say, Manic Monday.)

I just wonder because a lot of this seems like hearsay. Or, more probably as I see it, Prince had some lyrics floating around ("She wears a long fur coat of mink...") that Apollonia had already heard and Prince then later paired them with some music.

I can't remember where I read it,but there were several songs that were intended for Apollonia 6.Not sure if this info is correct,but it's often been said that these are the songs...

"The Glamorous Life"

"17 Days" (Brenda on lead vocals)

"Manic Monday"

"Take Me With U" (Prince later shortened "Computer Blue" to make room for it on his own album)

Apolllonia made a funny comment about "The Glamorous Life" being removed from their album.I'm paraphrasing,but she said something like..

"I was the new girl in the group,so I kept my cool about it....but Brenda and Susan really let Prince have it" lol "They were furious about not getting that song"

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