I REFUSE to give up hope that 'The Time' will resurface just as they once were. Now, if only I could get it through Prince's hat that it does him no favors to keep that name from the group. I know business is business, but these boys are THE TIME, they are not 'The Original7' (or whatever). come on now.

I believe in the power of a name, and new material, new members, all that is because the veery essense of what they were has been taken away. What time is it? They built a name, persona, reputation, and following on being The Time. Alot goes with that. Prince knows alot about how important a name is, come on now.

They need to eithe negotiate something with him on getting the name back, go back to square 7, and in the words of one of the best funkateers ever, 'Fire It Up'.

I refuse to call it a day. Many will disagree with me, but I do not care.

I'm waiting...................

blue22 said:

I REFUSE to give up hope that 'The Time' will resurface just as they once were. Now, if only I could get it through Prince's hat that it does him no favors to keep that name from the group. I know business is business, but these boys are THE TIME, they are not 'The Original7' (or whatever). come on now.

I believe in the power of a name, and new material, new members, all that is because the veery essense of what they were has been taken away. What time is it? They built a name, persona, reputation, and following on being The Time. Alot goes with that. Prince knows alot about how important a name is, come on now.

They need to eithe negotiate something with him on getting the name back, go back to square 7, and in the words of one of the best funkateers ever, 'Fire It Up'.

I refuse to call it a day. Many will disagree with me, but I do not care.

I'm waiting...................

While the name change may have been an adjustment at the beginning of the project they seemed to have gotten over it(fDeluxe hasn't let it stop them and seems in it for the long haul.). Their problems seem to stem from a lack of a planned course after releasing the CD. Personally I think 'Condensate' should've been released when they all could've focused on it more and not on their other commitments. Morris Day & The Time were still doing gigs and booking more and Jam & Lewis were doing productions for other artists. While Jellybean was doing triple duty (O7, MD & The Time and fDeluxe). Funksterr also shed light onto a fallout between Morris & Jerome at some point. I think the ship has sailed on the original lineup unless they can cede management and business decisions over to a non band member.

HonestMan13 said:

(fDeluxe hasn't let it stop them and seems in it for the long haul.)

The Family is kind of obscure though, not many people knew that group. So a name change for them doesn't make as much of a difference. There's also been other groups named "The Family", so being called "fDeluxe" probably helps to stop confusion for people looking for one of the other Family groups.

MickyDolenz said:

HonestMan13 said:

(fDeluxe hasn't let it stop them and seems in it for the long haul.)

The Family is kind of obscure though, not many people knew that group. So a name change for them doesn't make as much of a difference. There's also been other groups named "The Family", so being called "fDeluxe" probably helps to stop confusion for people looking for one of the other Family groups.

I'm just pointing out that the name changes were hardly he "kiss of death" fans made them out to be when they initially happened. At the end of the day either you make it work or you give up, it doesn't matter what they call you.

blue22 said:

I REFUSE to give up hope that 'The Time' will resurface just as they once were. Now, if only I could get it through Prince's hat that it does him no favors to keep that name from the group. I know business is business, but these boys are THE TIME, they are not 'The Original7' (or whatever). come on now.

I believe in the power of a name, and new material, new members, all that is because the veery essense of what they were has been taken away. What time is it? They built a name, persona, reputation, and following on being The Time. Alot goes with that. Prince knows alot about how important a name is, come on now.

They need to eithe negotiate something with him on getting the name back, go back to square 7, and in the words of one of the best funkateers ever, 'Fire It Up'.

I refuse to call it a day. Many will disagree with me, but I do not care.

I'm waiting...................

I disagree. When the CD/Documentary dropped the ball was in the O7's court to make it happen and the fans were waiting. Prince had nothing to do with the fall out that happened after the cd was released.

There song which they recently made a video for i think it's called there looking at me or something. If that was released by a young group that would be a top5 hit guarented.

Jerome hasn't done any gigs with Morris Day and the Time in six years. He did all the shows with the reunited Time(vegas gigs) and the O7 project so its not like he just left. He was only doing the gigs with all the original guys

Rhastus said:

Jerome hasn't done any gigs with Morris Day and the Time in six years. He did all the shows with the reunited Time(vegas gigs) and the O7 project so its not like he just left. He was only doing the gigs with all the original guys

Exactly. I was not saying there was a new problem with Jerome and Morris. I was just saying that Sly is good and Jerome chooses not to participate in MD and The Time.

blue22 said:

I REFUSE to give up hope that 'The Time' will resurface just as they once were. Now, if only I could get it through Prince's hat that it does him no favors to keep that name from the group. I know business is business, but these boys are THE TIME, they are not 'The Original7' (or whatever). come on now.

I believe in the power of a name, and new material, new members, all that is because the veery essense of what they were has been taken away. What time is it? They built a name, persona, reputation, and following on being The Time. Alot goes with that. Prince knows alot about how important a name is, come on now.

They need to eithe negotiate something with him on getting the name back, go back to square 7, and in the words of one of the best funkateers ever, 'Fire It Up'.

I refuse to call it a day. Many will disagree with me, but I do not care.

I'm waiting...................

I like your optimism but let's face it,Prince is a stubborn old man now (lol).He's not gonna give them the rights to use the name.Personally,I am cool with whatever name they choose to call themselves.I just hope we get more music from them.

riocoolnes said:

There song which they recently made a video for i think it's called there looking at me or something. If that was released by a young group that would be a top5 hit guarented.

I'd actually LOVE 2 hear the project that got scrapped 4 the "Condensate" project!!!!! And I hope that ONE DAY, the Brothers can work it out (OG 7ven)..............

OK guys, I take on board all of your feedback and I agree and can see some of your points.

But one thing I'm sticking to is the name issue. I actually believe in things like 'the energy' of something and what it is connected with. This point is in line with some of you who talked about the different members coming and going (Jerome, Jessee). This is where I agree.

What I'm trying to say, and probably not doing a good job of it, is that 'The Time' had a whole 'nother meaning, energy and destiny. But it would be as they were, with all the Original 7.

We see the history of bands and some of you have such great knowledge about past bands, name changes and line-up changes. If Joe Perry was to come away from Aerosmith and they changed the name to something else, suddenly it all changes, I don't care what you call them or who is in the band. When Joe Perry's energy comes away, it all changes. A name is like that for me too.

I know we will disagree on some things, but that's life. The grass roots of it for me is when I watch them on YouTube, the American Bandstand stuff and the Soul Train stuff, these guys had something all together, as a group, as The Time. The talent is still there. Maybe I just found out what I'm trying to say afterall. Maybe if the talent is still there, maybe it's all down to 'timing'.

babynoz said:

Fury said:

That song had no chance in hell of being a hit

If the young group put Lil Wayne on it, it has a chance. This song was a hit, and it sounds like Stevie from Malcolm In The Middle:

Rhastus said:

The article fails to note that Morris Day and the Time have continued to play gigs the whole time the 07 project was going on so its not liked they stopped one and started back up on the other one. Also the routinely play Pandemonium, Chocolate and Sometimes I get lonely at their gigs and just dropped Skillet after 6 years in the setlist for a new intro. Sure us die hards would like to see some other songs in the setlist but all the casual fan wants to hear is Jungle Love and the Bird so they are gonna keep playing it.

They never played those songs. They did a Medley of Skilliet, Pandemonium, and Chocolate that was about a minute total. So a few seconds of those songs mean nothing. Before Morris started Medley crap, they would play Blondie, If The Kid Can't Make You Come, and a few other less expected songs, but not often. I have seen MD & The Time around 20 times, and never heard them play "Sometimes I Get Lonely," so either it was also a snippet, or something rarely done.

funksterr said:

It's funny. I was thinking the other day how comical it was that Jesse was demanding royalty statements and the album hadn't even been out but a few weeks or so. That is sooo strange to me. Surely he had to know that none could exist at that point. He quit awfuly early into the promotion process. Based on the O7ven twitter feed, I don't think he is in communication with the other bandmembers and they still blame him for sabotaging the comeback. It remains my opinion that Jesse was planning to jump ship all along and was simply using the other bandmembers to jump start his solo interests. Is O7ven DOA? Clearly. Will O6 ever do anything then? It doesn't look like it. Will Morris Day and The Time release a new album? Based on their Myspace pages, I pray we never hear any "timejuice". Will Prince and Morris ever record together again? I think so, for better or worse.

The album had been out five weeks or more, and they had not booked a single show. They had played maybe 3 shows since the release of the album, and then went quiet. Jesse may have left a little early, but if they were really serious about doing a tour, then then would have got Tori Ruffin, or someone to tour.

And to clarify, If Jesse were trying to use the 07 to in any way, shape, or form, help his solo career, then he would have released something in the moment. It's going on a little more than a year, and Jesse has released 0 songs...that's one less than Andre Cymone in the last year.

I'm not taking sides here, but see about equal blame here. The 07 Concerts played were heavy Medley fests without full versions of a lot of the songs, and were not huge financial winners. They figured out quick that they needed Prince to make big money, and probably just let it fizzle out without any real offers. Remember, MD & The Time have always been a mix of The Time with some side hands. The 07 got bigger gigs, but with 7 people to share the pot, the individual takes probably were not all that feasible. Opening for Prince would probably not give them that much money either, but exposure for the new album would have been much better.

stillwaiting said:

Rhastus said:

The article fails to note that Morris Day and the Time have continued to play gigs the whole time the 07 project was going on so its not liked they stopped one and started back up on the other one. Also the routinely play Pandemonium, Chocolate and Sometimes I get lonely at their gigs and just dropped Skillet after 6 years in the setlist for a new intro. Sure us die hards would like to see some other songs in the setlist but all the casual fan wants to hear is Jungle Love and the Bird so they are gonna keep playing it.

They never played those songs. They did a Medley of Skilliet, Pandemonium, and Chocolate that was about a minute total. So a few seconds of those songs mean nothing. Before Morris started Medley crap, they would play Blondie, If The Kid Can't Make You Come, and a few other less expected songs, but not often. I have seen MD & The Time around 20 times, and never heard them play "Sometimes I Get Lonely," so either it was also a snippet, or something rarely done.

Skillet was the opening number of their shows and they usually played half of the song, stopping at the solo. Pandemonium and Chocolate are played medley style, but they are played. Sometimes I get lonely is one verse from Morris off stage. They do Girl instrumental, then sometimes before going to Gigolos. Blondie and Kid are played depending on the length of the show as they have different setlist for 45, hour or hour 20 minute shows. The shows now have more medelys as they do about 20 songs a show now compared to 8-10 songs in the late 90's when they played longer versions of the songs

stillwaiting said:

funksterr said:

It's funny. I was thinking the other day how comical it was that Jesse was demanding royalty statements and the album hadn't even been out but a few weeks or so. That is sooo strange to me. Surely he had to know that none could exist at that point. He quit awfuly early into the promotion process. Based on the O7ven twitter feed, I don't think he is in communication with the other bandmembers and they still blame him for sabotaging the comeback. It remains my opinion that Jesse was planning to jump ship all along and was simply using the other bandmembers to jump start his solo interests. Is O7ven DOA? Clearly. Will O6 ever do anything then? It doesn't look like it. Will Morris Day and The Time release a new album? Based on their Myspace pages, I pray we never hear any "timejuice". Will Prince and Morris ever record together again? I think so, for better or worse.

The album had been out five weeks or more, and they had not booked a single show. They had played maybe 3 shows since the release of the album, and then went quiet. Jesse may have left a little early, but if they were really serious about doing a tour, then then would have got Tori Ruffin, or someone to tour.

And to clarify, If Jesse were trying to use the 07 to in any way, shape, or form, help his solo career, then he would have released something in the moment. It's going on a little more than a year, and Jesse has released 0 songs...that's one less than Andre Cymone in the last year.

I'm not taking sides here, but see about equal blame here. The 07 Concerts played were heavy Medley fests without full versions of a lot of the songs, and were not huge financial winners. They figured out quick that they needed Prince to make big money, and probably just let it fizzle out without any real offers. Remember, MD & The Time have always been a mix of The Time with some side hands. The 07 got bigger gigs, but with 7 people to share the pot, the individual takes probably were not all that feasible. Opening for Prince would probably not give them that much money either, but exposure for the new album would have been much better.

Well, first I think, it's clear everyone in O7ven always wanted Prince to be involved. They said so a number of times before the album came out and all the way through promoting it's release. I think you are offbase with those accusations.

I don't know of any rule of thumb, that says a band is not serious if they have an album out and they aren't immediately on tour. In fact, I can think of a lot of instances of artists releasing albums and not touring until 6 months to a year after the record came out. If ever. While it can be wise to capitalize on an album that's hot on the charts, to get that money while you can etc, it's not like you absolutely have to or you are "not serious". I just can't see how that is a valid criticism on your part.

As far as Jesse goes, he clearly announced that he was breaking up O7ven through his personal Facebook page so there is no denying who killed the project. You could argue that Tori Ruffin could replace him and how that might be good enough, but isn't it a bit of a stretch to say that they owe it to us to do so, and if they don't it is evidence the remaining band-members are "not serious" and that's why Jesse quit? Those two issues are not related at all.

So to sum up: O7ven doesn't owe us a tour. Every act doesn't tour. I'm sure they would like to under the right circumstances, but they aren't somehow wrong if they don't show up in your city and play the entire Condensate record live then close with "Jungle Love" and "The Bird". Though that would be freaking awesome if they did.