What you people don't understand is that not answering the fans' mails/comments is a chosen marketing strategy, just as answering all of them is yet another chosen marketing strategy.

It doesn't necessarly mean that one thinks he/she is above others, it's just a "one way ticket" way to communicate as opposed to a "two ways ticket" approach.

One of the most interesting aspects of the "one way ticket" are that it will avoid you to:

- get publicly involved in polemics with trolls or people who will publicly criticize your work. An artist can't defend his/her work against direct attacks without sounding like an ass tryin' to justify crap, so it's better not to take any part in the debate.

- repeat 1000 times the same empty "thank you so much" to the fans, who will soon turn it against you and criticize the fact that you are actually taking the time to thank, because you ain't taking the time to think of an individual thanks for each fan.

- say shit on the fly that you may regret later, but that will now be carved in stone and possibly quoted forever on forums and/or by journalists.

It will also make you look a bigger star than you actually are, and to some it will make you look a bit intriguing and mysterious, two things that are always good for business.

And when all is said and done, it also saves you a lot of time, because there comes a moment where you inevitably just can't humanly answer dozens of comments and mails every day. Or then you'll spend more time answering fanmail than making music, and in the end your work will suffer from it.

Prince has always chosen the "one way ticket" strategy, so he probably advised Andy to do the same.

Besides, claiming that she can't sing is a ridiculous statement, obviously not coming from a musician. She may not be Chaka Khan but technically speaking Andy Allo can sing. Have you listened to her first album?

Tamar's solo album was nothing but a Prince album with Tamar singing on it. Andy Allo is a songwriter and her second album seems to be an Andy Allo album produced by Prince. Not to say that one is better than the other, in the end I have a lot of respect for both these hard working women, but I don't see any point in this thread in the first place.

Peace.

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databank said:

What you people don't understand is that not answering the fans' mails/comments is a chosen marketing strategy, just as answering all of them is yet another chosen marketing strategy.

It doesn't necessarly mean that one thinks he/she is above others, it's just a "one way ticket" way to communicate as opposed to a "two ways ticket" approach.

One of the most interesting aspects of the "one way ticket" are that it will avoid you to:

- get publicly involved in polemics with trolls or people who will publicly criticize your work. An artist can't defend his/her work against direct attacks without sounding like an ass tryin' to justify crap, so it's better not to take any part in the debate.

- repeat 1000 times the same empty "thank you so much" to the fans, who will soon turn it against you and criticize the fact that you are actually taking the time to thank, because you ain't taking the time to think of an individual thanks for each fan.

- say shit on the fly that you may regret later, but that will now be carved in stone and possibly quoted forever on forums and/or by journalists.

It will also make you look a bigger star than you actually are, and to some it will mùake you look a bit intriguing and mysterious, two things that are always good for business.

And when all is sais and done, it also saves you a lot of time, because there comes a moment where you inevitably just can't humanly answer dozens of comments and mails every day. Or then you'll spend more time answering fanmail than making music, and in the end your work will suffer from it.

Prince has always chosen the "one way ticket" strategy, so he probably advised Andy to do the same.

Besides, claiming that she can't thing is a ridiculous statement, obviously not coming from a musician. She may not be Chaka Khan but technically speaking Andy Allo can sing. Have you listened to her first album.

Tamar's solo album was nothing but a Prince album with Tamar singing on it. Andy Allo is a songwriter and her second album seems to be an Andy Allo album produced by Prince. Not to say that one is better than the other, in the end I have a lot of respect for both these hard working women, but I don't see any point in this thread in the first place.

Peace.

Great post! Couldn't agree with you more! I was thinking that Prince definitely advised her to be mysterious and use his marketing strategy. Also the whole "...mentor/friend..." blah blah line and mysteriousness has been used by his proteges forever too.

Listen to her first album....she wrote all the songs and composed the songs with her boyfriend at the time David Ott. She may not know much on the guitar (which she admits) BUT she is a good writer...her poems on facebook are pretty good too. Different strokes for different folks. She definitely has a unique voice but the songs she has on youtube pre-prince are very good.

thebanishedone said:

Andy can be rude,crazy and all the stuff but if it was backed by some foundation.truth is she can't sing and she don't know even basic stuff abou the instrument she associates herself.if you ask Andy to play rhythm guitar on Kiss she couldn't do it.so how does she writes her songs,maybe beatboxing? Tamar is not only a singer,she plays instruments and compose her music as well.a lot of the songs on Milk and Honey was co written by Tamar. Tamar is a real talent and Andy is jus an oportunistic little girl.and btw i never wrote to her.i find her a distraction.but i know a lot of ppl who wrote to her and lot of ppl who's posts were erased by Andy because they didn't kiss her fine ass.

peri1025 said:

Listen to her first album....she wrote all the songs and composed the songs with her boyfriend at the time David Ott. She may not know much on the guitar (which she admits) BUT she is a good writer...her poems on facebook are pretty good too. Different strokes for different folks. She definitely has a unique voice but the songs she has on youtube pre-prince are very good.

thebanishedone said:

Andy can be rude,crazy and all the stuff but if it was backed by some foundation.truth is she can't sing and she don't know even basic stuff abou the instrument she associates herself.if you ask Andy to play rhythm guitar on Kiss she couldn't do it.so how does she writes her songs,maybe beatboxing? Tamar is not only a singer,she plays instruments and compose her music as well.a lot of the songs on Milk and Honey was co written by Tamar. Tamar is a real talent and Andy is jus an oportunistic little girl.and btw i never wrote to her.i find her a distraction.but i know a lot of ppl who wrote to her and lot of ppl who's posts were erased by Andy because they didn't kiss her fine ass.

David Ott, the American composer of classical music born 1947? If this is true, then she'll always been into for fame. Sad and cheap! I can't support that kinda tacky nonsense!

databank said:

What you people don't understand is that not answering the fans' mails/comments is a chosen marketing strategy, just as answering all of them is yet another chosen marketing strategy.

It doesn't necessarly mean that one thinks he/she is above others, it's just a "one way ticket" way to communicate as opposed to a "two ways ticket" approach.

One of the most interesting aspects of the "one way ticket" are that it will avoid you to:

- get publicly involved in polemics with trolls or people who will publicly criticize your work. An artist can't defend his/her work against direct attacks without sounding like an ass tryin' to justify crap, so it's better not to take any part in the debate.

- repeat 1000 times the same empty "thank you so much" to the fans, who will soon turn it against you and criticize the fact that you are actually taking the time to thank, because you ain't taking the time to think of an individual thanks for each fan.

- say shit on the fly that you may regret later, but that will now be carved in stone and possibly quoted forever on forums and/or by journalists.

It will also make you look a bigger star than you actually are, and to some it will make you look a bit intriguing and mysterious, two things that are always good for business.

And when all is said and done, it also saves you a lot of time, because there comes a moment where you inevitably just can't humanly answer dozens of comments and mails every day. Or then you'll spend more time answering fanmail than making music, and in the end your work will suffer from it.

Prince has always chosen the "one way ticket" strategy, so he probably advised Andy to do the same.

Besides, claiming that she can't sing is a ridiculous statement, obviously not coming from a musician. She may not be Chaka Khan but technically speaking Andy Allo can sing. Have you listened to her first album?

Tamar's solo album was nothing but a Prince album with Tamar singing on it. Andy Allo is a songwriter and her second album seems to be an Andy Allo album produced by Prince. Not to say that one is better than the other, in the end I have a lot of respect for both these hard working women, but I don't see any point in this thread in the first place.

Peace.

[Edited 10/13/12 11:11am]

How do you know that?

No he's a young blok from Sacramento...about her age. I only know this from reading some interviews circa 2009...

OzlemUcucu said:

peri1025 said:

Listen to her first album....she wrote all the songs and composed the songs with her boyfriend at the time David Ott. She may not know much on the guitar (which she admits) BUT she is a good writer...her poems on facebook are pretty good too. Different strokes for different folks. She definitely has a unique voice but the songs she has on youtube pre-prince are very good.

David Ott, the American composer of classical music born 1947? If this is true, then she'll always been into for fame. Sad and cheap! I can't support that kinda tacky nonsense!

thebanishedone said:

Andy can be rude,crazy and all the stuff but if it was backed by some foundation.truth is she can't sing and she don't know even basic stuff abou the instrument she associates herself.if you ask Andy to play rhythm guitar on Kiss she couldn't do it.so how does she writes her songs,maybe beatboxing? Tamar is not only a singer,she plays instruments and compose her music as well.a lot of the songs on Milk and Honey was co written by Tamar. Tamar is a real talent and Andy is jus an oportunistic little girl.and btw i never wrote to her.i find her a distraction.but i know a lot of ppl who wrote to her and lot of ppl who's posts were erased by Andy because they didn't kiss her fine ass.

Man u're having a personnal grudge against her so no way I can reason you.

funksterr said:

databank said:

What you people don't understand is that not answering the fans' mails/comments is a chosen marketing strategy, just as answering all of them is yet another chosen marketing strategy.

It doesn't necessarly mean that one thinks he/she is above others, it's just a "one way ticket" way to communicate as opposed to a "two ways ticket" approach.

One of the most interesting aspects of the "one way ticket" are that it will avoid you to:

- get publicly involved in polemics with trolls or people who will publicly criticize your work. An artist can't defend his/her work against direct attacks without sounding like an ass tryin' to justify crap, so it's better not to take any part in the debate.

- repeat 1000 times the same empty "thank you so much" to the fans, who will soon turn it against you and criticize the fact that you are actually taking the time to thank, because you ain't taking the time to think of an individual thanks for each fan.

- say shit on the fly that you may regret later, but that will now be carved in stone and possibly quoted forever on forums and/or by journalists.

It will also make you look a bigger star than you actually are, and to some it will make you look a bit intriguing and mysterious, two things that are always good for business.

And when all is said and done, it also saves you a lot of time, because there comes a moment where you inevitably just can't humanly answer dozens of comments and mails every day. Or then you'll spend more time answering fanmail than making music, and in the end your work will suffer from it.

Prince has always chosen the "one way ticket" strategy, so he probably advised Andy to do the same.

Besides, claiming that she can't sing is a ridiculous statement, obviously not coming from a musician. She may not be Chaka Khan but technically speaking Andy Allo can sing. Have you listened to her first album?

Tamar's solo album was nothing but a Prince album with Tamar singing on it. Andy Allo is a songwriter and her second album seems to be an Andy Allo album produced by Prince. Not to say that one is better than the other, in the end I have a lot of respect for both these hard working women, but I don't see any point in this thread in the first place.

Peace.

[Edited 10/13/12 11:11am]

How do you know that?

I studied the shit because I had to figure out my own communication/marketing plan as an artist, first in "real life" then, as it became a major communication channel, using social networks. So sure I can't read Andy Allo's mind and it's not like she told me, but I can see a marketing strategy when I see one ^^

[Edited 10/13/12 20:51pm]

thebanishedone said:

When you write to Tamar on facebook she will always answer you,discuss anything you want. Do you think Andy will talk to you?no way.she is so full of herself and i don't know why.she can't sing and is off key most of the time not to mention her non existing guitar skills. How would she act if she was a real star. Omn thje otjher hand Tamar is talented and great.her back vox were perfect on 3121 and her solo album is very good.too bad it didn't work out .

So even though you consider Andy to be egotistical and talentless if she responded to your FB posts she'd be alright in your book?

thebanishedone said:

Andy can be rude,crazy and all the stuff but if it was backed by some foundation.truth is she can't sing and she don't know even basic stuff abou the instrument she associates herself.

Why are you so desperate to converse with her then?

i really dont think andy is trying 2 be a major label artist if u really noticed prince only support indie artist of late he speaks against record labels 2 firmly. he only seem comfortbale with one record deals no long term or contract shit. tamar and andy r 2 different women and their talent is totally diffeent i see tamar as a could be big time commerical act i c andy as a louge act something that doesnt go beyond coffee houses and shit but they both sweet

NouveauDance said:

thebanishedone said:

NouveauDance said:

Why are you so desperate to converse with her then?

i see that you didn't read what i wrote.i'm not desperate to talk to Andy.what could i ask her? Maybe something like hey Andy do you know how to play dminor7 chord ?she would say no what's that?or maybe i would ask her.i just say that many orger tried to talk to her or basicly stated their honest opinions and were erased by Andy on social networks.she acts like a big star but in the music world she is nobody and her talent is questionable. If i would ever be desperate about talking with some Prince related girl that would be Jill Jones.but i already did.

Weren't you the orger who started a thead about Vanity unfriending you?

databank said:

funksterr said:

How do you know that?

I studied the shit because I had to figure out my own communication/marketing plan as an artist, first in "real life" then, as it became a major communication channel, using social networks. So sure I can't read Andy Allo's mind and it's not like she told me, but I can see a marketing strategy when I see one ^^

[Edited 10/13/12 20:51pm]

Nothing wrong with that at all. I enjoy an educated opinion. I tend to agree with you that the aloof thing is a marketing stategy for Prince and Andy, but I think it's kind of overplayed at this point.

thebanishedone said:

When you write to Tamar on facebook she will always answer you,discuss anything you want. Do you think Andy will talk to you?no way.she is so full of herself and i don't know why.she can't sing and is off key most of the time not to mention her non existing guitar skills. How would she act if she was a real star. Omn thje otjher hand Tamar is talented and great.her back vox were perfect on 3121 and her solo album is very good.too bad it didn't work out .

Why do you want to talk to her when you think she's so talentless and full of herself?

I can understand why she wouldn't talk to her, when you think of her that way.

i listened to the entire "3121" album again for the first time in ages last month

and it struck me how much i liked tamar's backing vocals all over that album.

they give it a sense of cohesion, plus they suit prince's vocals well imo.

HonestMan13 said:

thebanishedone said:

When you write to Tamar on facebook she will always answer you,discuss anything you want. Do you think Andy will talk to you?no way.she is so full of herself and i don't know why.she can't sing and is off key most of the time not to mention her non existing guitar skills. How would she act if she was a real star. Omn thje otjher hand Tamar is talented and great.her back vox were perfect on 3121 and her solo album is very good.too bad it didn't work out .

So even though you consider Andy to be egotistical and talentless if she responded to your FB posts she'd be alright in your book?

thebanishedone said:

When you write to Tamar on facebook she will always answer you,discuss anything you want. Do you think Andy will talk to you?no way.she is so full of herself and i don't know why.she can't sing and is off key most of the time not to mention her non existing guitar skills. How would she act if she was a real star. Omn thje otjher hand Tamar is talented and great.her back vox were perfect on 3121 and her solo album is very good.too bad it didn't work out .

I love it when I write someone famous and they write me back. I haven't done it often but it is so "real" and it just makes me love them so much more. It's so silly, but I recently sent a friend request to a poet that I love- Matthew Dickman- and he hasn't accepted my friend request, such a silly silly thing but where I used to love him , I now think ,

16,000 people like Andy on FB. Do you really expect her to respond to them all?

I guess responding to a few might be nice. But I have written to celebs and only gotten one response (from Wendy). A guy like Steve Martin responds to some people, but certainly not all!

thebanishedone said:

For the orgers who have problem with reading one more time No i don't want to talk to Andy. I'm talking in the name of at least dozen of orgers who want to corespond with her.i don't give a shit about her,but some ppl do and i respect that

Understood but since you're saying such negative things about her on behalf of these orgers why do they want to correspond with someone they think is arrogant and talentless?