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Reply #420 posted 09/01/12 3:10pm

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RosesRred said:



prodigalfan said:


PurpleChi said:


I don't know that people on here really understand Mimi02's point though. What I typically see here is when Mayte's loss is discussed, someone is jumping up and saying that they suffered a miscarriage as well, and they are not doing some action (fill in the blank) like Mayte. I'm sincerely sorry for the losses of all those who have suffered such an incredible, incomprehensible loss. However no two people deal with loss the same way, nor do they deal with loss under the same circumstances.



I recognize whole-heartedly that Prince suffered these losses as well. I think that was likely the reason he ended up being so cold towards Mayte in the end...he just couldn't deal with the loss and she was a constant reminder. Such a loss has been known to deteriorate a marriage. My only point in my earlier post was that I can understand why she still feels regretful about her marriage to Prince after being with him since she was a child (yes, 16 is still a child--and he was in his early 30s which has a whole other set of issues), losing two babies, being tossed to the wind by her husband, and having her entire world crumble. Obviously she had gotten accustomed to a certain lifestyle and it was all gone instantly. That's tough for anyone to deal with all at once, so I choose not to judge her.



Don't get me wrong. I do think all reality tv shows are scripted to some extent. I'm just saying that Mayte shedding a few tears over the memory of her life with Prince is not all that far-fetched given the circumstances.




I do agree with this post. Yes, I also choose not to judge Mayte except in the circumstance when SHE is judging someone else (Jessica). I also think it was a bad idea for a REALITY show and I told her friend melted man that when the show was announced. But your description of her troubles during Prince era is the same way I see it. Oh and you forgot to add that Prince didn't leave her to be own his own. He went into the arms of another woman and flaunted the relationship ( per numerous reports from attendees to the celebration parties that year). That was PUBLIC humiliation. Once again she couldn't say anything. Just take it in the chin without even a whimper.. Can you imagine how hard it had to be for Mayte to hold it together for that Today interview when Bryant asked her questions about her baby. He directed a question to Mayte and for a split second you saw her face crumble and she swallowed hard. Prince quickly stepped in and answered the question instead. So I cut her slack. But I can see How prince responded the way he did. He seems to avoid emotional drama. So Mayte was probably a source of stress to him. And them mani was like a vacation. All giggly and goo goo eyes and conversations about how gripe at he is etc. On one hand this n is bringing positivity and it is like a ray of sunshine. The other woman you are forced to talk about genetic testing and hormone blood levels and what ifs, and whys and woe is me and ALL THE CRYING.

Which woman would you choose to be with.


"I,_____ take you,_____to be my wife, to have and to hold


from this day forward, for better, for worse,


for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health,


to love and to cherish, till death us do part, according to


God's holy law, and this is my solemn vow."



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[Edited 9/1/12 0:37am]




And there it is! So true. I do agree. Prince hound have honored his vows but I can understand that he was not purposefully cold and cruel. He just made a mistake. And Mayte probably made bad choices as well.
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Reply #421 posted 09/01/12 3:36pm

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artist76 said:

RosesRred said:

Marriage vows for many are not taken seriously.


---

I am not picking on Prince on this matter, but when


the statement was made as


for understanding why he ran to Mani was


just shocking to me. eek


It's like telling someone if you


and your spouse cannot handle a crisis then you


better leave them, go run and find another man/woman


so you can start a fresh relationship.


You can't keep running from your problems.


You are supposed to be for


one another through the bad times too.



---but now

I'm like Janet, I'm in CONTROL. cool




http://changingminds.org/...coping.htm



"If you don't have time to do it right, you must have


time to do it over."



artist76 said:



yes true, but then everyone who has taken those vows but then got divorced are a bit of a hypocrite and failure, not only Prince but all of the Hollywood Exes ladies and their exes, Manuela, Eric Benet, etc., etc., ... and statistically probable your own parents too.


smile







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I don't think that saying you understand someone's actions is the same as condoning or encouraging it. Prodigalfan seems more pro-Mayte than I am now, but she (he?) is only saying s/he understands Prince for probably wanting out of that marriage, not that s/he thinks it was right.

As for being in control, I'm sure Prince thought he was "in control" too; Mayte probably also felt "in control" - she has said she never thought she'd be divorced and that marriage should be forever. Most people go into marriage with the sincere intent and expectation of forever. But sometimes things happen and you realize that you are NOT in control. Nobody could anticipate that such a tragedy as the baby's death would happen, that is out of your control. The way that your partner reacts to it is also out of your control. There's only so much one person can do - there are two people in a marriage - and revisiting some old interviews, I get the sense that Prince actually did try to get through this together, he did feel bad for her, but they seem to have different incompatible coping mechanisms. He has said that he would like to be able to stop his wife's crying, and that he does not wallow in the past (I thought he was only referring to WB at the time); she, on the other hand, cries a lot and wallows.

Lots of people get divorced for much smaller reasons, over much smaller challenges and stresses. In this case, I think what prodigal and I are saying is to cut them some slack.


Thanks for coming to my Defense here. I am pro Mayte. I think she got a raw deal. I was just realizing that prince got a raw del as well he jut didnt handle it well.
I cn understand that though he didn't choose correctly, I can understand how things went the way they did.
I also agree with you that they had different ways of coping.

It is one thing to say you believe that marriage is forever. It is another thing to WORK on making that happened. I wonder if Mayte got therapy back then to work on her grief. Instead if burdening prince with her grief. It is true that they should have helped each other but if your spouse is incapable of helping you because he isn't strong enough to carry both in their emotional grief; then you have to help yourself or risk being left alone. Not morally correct, but reality here.
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Reply #422 posted 09/01/12 6:06pm

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artist76 said:
I don't think that saying you understand someone's actions is the same as condoning or encouraging it. Prodigalfan seems more pro-Mayte than I am now, but she (he?) is only saying s/he understands Prince for probably wanting out of that marriage, not that s/he thinks it was right. As for being in control, I'm sure Prince thought he was "in control" too; Mayte probably also felt "in control" - she has said she never thought she'd be divorced and that marriage should be forever. Most people go into marriage with the sincere intent and expectation of forever. But sometimes things happen and you realize that you are NOT in control. Nobody could anticipate that such a tragedy as the baby's death would happen, that is out of your control. The way that your partner reacts to it is also out of your control. There's only so much one person can do - there are two people in a marriage - and revisiting some old interviews, I get the sense that Prince actually did try to get through this together, he did feel bad for her, but they seem to have different incompatible coping mechanisms. He has said that he would like to be able to stop his wife's crying, and that he does not wallow in the past (I thought he was only referring to WB at the time); she, on the other hand, cries a lot and wallows. Lots of people get divorced for much smaller reasons, over much smaller challenges and stresses. In this case, I think what prodigal and I are saying is to cut them some slack.
Thanks for coming to my Defense here. I am pro Mayte. I think she got a raw deal. I was just realizing that prince got a raw del as well he jut didnt handle it well. I cn understand that though he didn't choose correctly, I can understand how things went the way they did. I also agree with you that they had different ways of coping. It is one thing to say you believe that marriage is forever. It is another thing to WORK on making that happened. I wonder if Mayte got therapy back then to work on her grief. Instead if burdening prince with her grief. It is true that they should have helped each other but if your spouse is incapable of helping you because he isn't strong enough to carry both in their emotional grief; then you have to help yourself or risk being left alone. Not morally correct, but reality here.

I am not judging Prince, maybe the old Prince. I'm only referring to the" Old Prince".

Because Prince is a changed man and he would never treat another woman like

this again..Right? pray beg.ok now he just reminds me of someone that just

treated women as objects, that is used to getting his ways. Whatever his heart desires.

He sees or searches for the next trophy to be on his arm and tells his people to

go fetch them for him. reminder: I'm still talking about the O.P. wink

He gets them,molds them, and treats them like they will be his one and onlyBut

actually they will never be his one and only because they have to compete with

his first love and that is his "Music".

Sooner or later he gets bored with both of them. He reminds me

of someone that won't confront the person to tell them that it is over.

Instead he will have someone else do their dirty work or instead just don't

talk to the woman at all.

I was thinking maybe when Prince was touring all

crazy after the loss of their baby. that she was left all alone at their

home. While he was still on the road touring, doing all those

concerts back to back, trying to cover his pain through his music,

he had someone tell her she had to move out and has

never spoken to her since. I know that sounds a little bit too cold.

It's not just men,but women can behave like this just as well.

and what makes it's even sadder is when theirs children involved.

I You can tell that P wanted to be Somebody's Somebody

and become an Honest Man and for him to say I finally have

a wife that will be Forever In My Life.

That's why I enjoy the new Prince. I know he's not perfect

and like us we all have issues.

It's when we can forgive one another is what counts.

If God can forgive us for our sins, then we should be able

to forgive one another.

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Reply #423 posted 09/01/12 9:06pm

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RosesRred said:

prodigalfan said:

artist76 said: Thanks for coming to my Defense here. I am pro Mayte. I think she got a raw deal. I was just realizing that prince got a raw del as well he jut didnt handle it well. I cn understand that though he didn't choose correctly, I can understand how things went the way they did. I also agree with you that they had different ways of coping. It is one thing to say you believe that marriage is forever. It is another thing to WORK on making that happened. I wonder if Mayte got therapy back then to work on her grief. Instead if burdening prince with her grief. It is true that they should have helped each other but if your spouse is incapable of helping you because he isn't strong enough to carry both in their emotional grief; then you have to help yourself or risk being left alone. Not morally correct, but reality here.

I am not judging Prince, maybe the old Prince. I'm only referring to the" Old Prince".

Because Prince is a changed man and he would never treat another woman like

this again..Right? pray beg.ok now he just reminds me of someone that just

treated women as objects, that is used to getting his ways. Whatever his heart desires.

He sees or searches for the next trophy to be on his arm and tells his people to

go fetch them for him. reminder: I'm still talking about the O.P. wink

He gets them,molds them, and treats them like they will be his one and onlyBut

actually they will never be his one and only because they have to compete with

his first love and that is his "Music".

Sooner or later he gets bored with both of them. He reminds me

of someone that won't confront the person to tell them that it is over.

Instead he will have someone else do their dirty work or instead just don't

talk to the woman at all.

I was thinking maybe when Prince was touring all

crazy after the loss of their baby. that she was left all alone at their

home. While he was still on the road touring, doing all those

concerts back to back, trying to cover his pain through his music,

he had someone tell her she had to move out and has

never spoken to her since. I know that sounds a little bit too cold.

It's not just men,but women can behave like this just as well.

and what makes it's even sadder is when theirs children involved.

I You can tell that P wanted to be Somebody's Somebody

and become an Honest Man and for him to say I finally have

a wife that will be Forever In My Life.

That's why I enjoy the new Prince. I know he's not perfect

and like us we all have issues.

It's when we can forgive one another is what counts.

If God can forgive us for our sins, then we should be able

to forgive one another.

The way the stories go, what you have said is close to the truth. He supposedly let Nona Gaye know that their relationship was over by inviting her to a concert and Mayte the dancer was showing off her engagement ring. Nona says she was lead to believe that Prince was going to ask HER to marry.

I did read that Prince threw himself into music to deal with the grief and went on tour leaving Mayte alone. He did not have someone call and tell Mayte to leave Paisley Park. He took her from Paisley park and built her a mansion in Italy, then left her there.

From what I have read through the years, Mayte got tipped by her own loyal friends (probably girlfriends of her former band members) who told her that Manuela the personal assistant was wearing her clothes and redecorating the Paisley Park as her own new home.

I think Mayte return to US on her own and began having the final fights of their marriage. She talks about being on her own for the first time in NYC.

It was in a paper that Prince and Mayte had a public fight at a NYC club. Melted Man, Mayte's friend that posts heer from time to time have told the story himself here on the Org.

he was there that night with Mayte and other friends.

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Reply #424 posted 09/01/12 10:44pm

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^^Ok, ok, I see that Rosesrred and prodigal are pro-Mayte p.o.v. I would say that your version of how it went down between them - that he was cold and cheated, etc. - is just conjecture hung on some facts (like he went on tour and he did buy her a mansion in Spain - although I wish someone would be as mean to me as to buy me a mansion! And Mayte did say they had lots of parties there together shrug ).

But anyway, it doesn't matter, it's not worth arguing, since none of us have the full and correct story of how it really went down. Only they know. We only have opinions.

What we agree on, I think, is that the show Hollywood Exes did not do her any favors. Sure, it got her more exposure than she was having before (which was close to none) and a couple more walks on red carpets. But for the most part, people who watched the show were not won over by her charm, grace, wit, or maturity!
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Reply #425 posted 09/02/12 12:38pm

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^^Ok, ok, I see that Rosesrred and prodigal are pro-Mayte p.o.v. I would say that your version of how it went down between them - that he was cold and cheated, etc. - is just conjecture hung on some facts (like he went on tour and he did buy her a mansion in Spain - although I wish someone would be as mean to me as to buy me a mansion! And Mayte did say they had lots of parties there together shrug ). But anyway, it doesn't matter, it's not worth arguing, since none of us have the full and correct story of how it really went down. Only they know. We only have opinions. What we agree on, I think, is that the show Hollywood Exes did not do her any favors. Sure, it got her more exposure than she was having before (which was close to none) and a couple more walks on red carpets. But for the most part, people who watched the show were not won over by her charm, grace, wit, or maturity!

Mayte did this for money and nothing else. Since she dramatized her child loss to a point that it left the impression of being it a farce, she lost my symphaty. A 37 year woman that has experienced so many things in her life is very hard to believe in her claims she is making. She's not...

Prince I will always miss and love U.
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Reply #426 posted 09/04/12 3:21pm

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Looks like season 2 is a go

MICHAEL STRAHAN
Fiancee's Reality Show
RENEWED

EXCLUSIVE
0904_nicole_murphy_hollywood_exes
Michael Strahan
and his fiancée Nicole Murphy are having the BEST WEEK EVER ... TMZ has learned Murphy's reality show "Hollywood Exes" just got picked up for a 2nd season.

Sources tell TMZ -- the VH1 show, which stars the ex-wives of Prince, Will Smith, R. Kelly and Eddie Murphy (Nicole) ... will see a 12-episode second run, after its fate remained unknown for weeks.

The news comes on the SAME DAY that Michael officially debuted as Kelly Ripa's new co-host on "Live! With Kelly."



Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz25XgTaTTj

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Reply #427 posted 09/04/12 6:48pm

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That is odd. what are they going to talk about? Andrea wanting to "daaaance Man!"?

Sheree cooking Whoop Ash in her kitchen??

Mayte still looking for future baby daddy?

Nicole is the only one I am really interested to see next season. I would like to see her journey back to modeling.

Just very interesting.

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Reply #428 posted 09/04/12 7:09pm

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prodigalfan said:

That is odd. what are they going to talk about? Andrea wanting to "daaaance Man!"?

falloff lol

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Reply #429 posted 09/04/12 10:26pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

NaughtyKitty said:

Looks like season 2 is a go

MICHAEL STRAHAN
Fiancee's Reality Show
RENEWED

EXCLUSIVE
0904_nicole_murphy_hollywood_exes
Michael Strahan
and his fiancée Nicole Murphy are having the BEST WEEK EVER ... TMZ has learned Murphy's reality show "Hollywood Exes" just got picked up for a 2nd season.

Sources tell TMZ -- the VH1 show, which stars the ex-wives of Prince, Will Smith, R. Kelly and Eddie Murphy (Nicole) ... will see a 12-episode second run, after its fate remained unknown for weeks.

The news comes on the SAME DAY that Michael officially debuted as Kelly Ripa's new co-host on "Live! With Kelly."



Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz25XgTaTTj

I am so happy for Nicole.She is going to turn into the NeNe of the show. She will be the most successful & the leader. I bet U VH! was waiting to see if her fiance Strahan was going to be picked for co host with Kelli Ripa. Before they made their decision to pick up "Hollywood Exes" for a second season. I am over the moon of her husbands new gig...

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #430 posted 09/05/12 3:08am

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yes.....i have 2 agree.
nicole is my fav. thee only 1 actually that i could see myself hangin with.


and i just have to say regarding Mayte and her current singledom:
GET OUT OF LA!!

U need a smaller town for what r lookin for.
hell...r u serious? ur mama. u. aimals. all the dude needs to do is step n and into all ur dog shiyt!!!!! i mean thee smell alone honey!
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Reply #431 posted 09/05/12 5:36am

mimi02

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Looks like season 2 is a go

MICHAEL STRAHAN
Fiancee's Reality Show
RENEWED

EXCLUSIVE
0904_nicole_murphy_hollywood_exes
Michael Strahan
and his fiancée Nicole Murphy are having the BEST WEEK EVER ... TMZ has learned Murphy's reality show "Hollywood Exes" just got picked up for a 2nd season.

Sources tell TMZ -- the VH1 show, which stars the ex-wives of Prince, Will Smith, R. Kelly and Eddie Murphy (Nicole) ... will see a 12-episode second run, after its fate remained unknown for weeks.

The news comes on the SAME DAY that Michael officially debuted as Kelly Ripa's new co-host on "Live! With Kelly."



Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz25XgTaTTj

I am so happy for Nicole.She is going to turn into the NeNe of the show. She will be the most successful & the leader. I bet U VH! was waiting to see if her fiance Strahan was going to be picked for co host with Kelli Ripa. Before they made their decision to pick up "Hollywood Exes" for a second season. I am over the moon of her husbands new gig...

NeNe?

Nicole is more of a "Shaunie" than a NeNe, imo.

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Reply #432 posted 09/05/12 5:51am

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mimi02 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I am so happy for Nicole.She is going to turn into the NeNe of the show. She will be the most successful & the leader. I bet U VH! was waiting to see if her fiance Strahan was going to be picked for co host with Kelli Ripa. Before they made their decision to pick up "Hollywood Exes" for a second season. I am over the moon of her husbands new gig...

NeNe?

Nicole is more of a "Shaunie" than a NeNe, imo.

She is neither really. Nene is just plain trash and a complete embarrassment.

Shaunie is a shit stirrer.

Nicole is none of those.

Because of their half-baked mistakes, we get ice cream, no cake; all lies, no truth; is it fair to Kill the YOUTH ~~ Party Up
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Reply #433 posted 09/05/12 8:34am

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I'm talking about in success terms in my comparison to Ne Ne not personalty. No matter what anyone says about Ne Ne. She has turned herself into a successful brand & is making mega bucks & have left the other reality stars in the dust.....

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #434 posted 09/05/12 11:35am

wavesofbliss

NaughtyKitty said:

Looks like season 2 is a go

MICHAEL STRAHAN
Fiancee's Reality Show
RENEWED

EXCLUSIVE

Michael Strahan
and his fiancée Nicole Murphy are having the BEST WEEK EVER ... TMZ has learned Murphy's reality show "Hollywood Exes" just got picked up for a 2nd season.

Sources tell TMZ -- the VH1 show, which stars the ex-wives of Prince, Will Smith, R. Kelly and Eddie Murphy (Nicole) ... will see a 12-episode second run, after its fate remained unknown for weeks.

The news comes on the SAME DAY that Michael officially debuted as Kelly Ripa's new co-host on "Live! With Kelly."



Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz25XgTaTTj

WOW!! imvery late tothis but having finally seen some of the episodes i think mayte only had her "breakthru" when she heard the therapist tell her that she WAS a mother. it seemed to me that mayte had felt left out until she understood that. having only watched the last 4 episodes i missed alot of context but it seems that they are all basically nice people - no major crazies so i might watch the second season.

the preacher's wife was alot for me to take tho, she seems to have the hardest time with her own identity, so i have to wonder why she puts herself in this situation- always marry men with a high profile in a community but not wanting to be overshadowed. she seems to want to have it both ways.

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Reply #435 posted 09/05/12 2:52pm

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prodigalfan said:

That is odd. what are they going to talk about? Andrea wanting to "daaaance Man!"?

Sheree cooking Whoop Ash in her kitchen??

Mayte still looking for future baby daddy?

Nicole is the only one I am really interested to see next season. I would like to see her journey back to modeling.

Just very interesting.

hahahahahahahahaaaaaahahahahahaha......lol

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Reply #436 posted 09/05/12 4:22pm

mimi02

BklynDiamond said:

mimi02 said:

NeNe?

Nicole is more of a "Shaunie" than a NeNe, imo.

She is neither really. Nene is just plain trash and a complete embarrassment.

Shaunie is a shit stirrer.

Nicole is none of those.

Okay, I thought I saw Nicole's name listed as one of the co-producer of the show. I guess not.

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Reply #437 posted 09/05/12 4:28pm

mimi02

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I'm talking about in success terms in my comparison to Ne Ne not personalty. No matter what anyone says about Ne Ne. She has turned herself into a successful brand & is making mega bucks & have left the other reality stars in the dust.....

My comment wasn't to say anything derogatory about NeNe. I thought that Nicole's role in HExes was the same as Shaunie's on BW. That's why I why I commented to the post. NeNe is a brand now. She took advantage of the opportunity that she was given by being casted on RHOA and now she doesn't need the show to support herself...unlike the now fired Sheree.

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Reply #438 posted 09/05/12 7:03pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

mimi02 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I'm talking about in success terms in my comparison to Ne Ne not personalty. No matter what anyone says about Ne Ne. She has turned herself into a successful brand & is making mega bucks & have left the other reality stars in the dust.....

My comment wasn't to say anything derogatory about NeNe. I thought that Nicole's role in HExes was the same as Shaunie's on BW. That's why I why I commented to the post. NeNe is a brand now. She took advantage of the opportunity that she was given by being casted on RHOA and now she doesn't need the show to support herself...unlike the now fired Sheree.

eek

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #439 posted 09/08/12 8:43pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

Nicole Murphy’s Former Reps Seek Action Against Her

*Now that her fiancé, Michael Strahan, has been tagged to co-host “Live” with Kelly Ripa, her former reps say she become a bullying monster.

She’s been publicly trashing and destroying their business in the process and they want it stop.

The ZLP Group has hired a lawyer, who fired off a nasty, threatening letter to Nicole. In the letter — obtained by TMZ – the lawyer claims Nicole has “started rumors, misstatements and misrepresentations” which have defamed the PR group.

ZLP’s lawyer, Donald Karpel, says Murphy’s smack talking has destroyed his client’s relationship with QVC, several NYC fashion week designers and a TV show.

Karpel promises in the letter he will file a lawsuit against her for breach of contract (allegedly firing the firm without cause) and defamation — based on her “poor conduct.”

So far, no comment from Murphy.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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