morningsong said:

paintedlady said:

"Whoop Ash" creme? I don't call starting a small product line she can run on facebook "bigtime" I only see her staying in LA for the reality show.

I do not understand why Sheree is leaving her man in San Diego. She is wrong for that, but she did say that she didn't want to be known as "the preacher's wife".... and that she felt like she was Mrs. Will Smith and wanted to make her own mark.... or something like that.

As far as Mayte...

Odd name for a cream, but then again when dealing with ashiness some folks need the tough stuff. SD and LA are completely different places, so I can see two different personalities wanting to live in separate cities, but you would think these are things people talk about before getting married, cause if he seriously prefers SD he's not gonna be happy in LA and if she has got to be in the LA scene then she's not going be happy in SD. Hope they work it out, does he want her more or does she want him more, tune in next week...

I'm waiting on Mayte cause there has got to be more to this, there just has to be.

The Woopash cream has been out for a quick minute, though. Sheree has been profiled by a couple of magazine beauty editors (like in Essence, In Style) as far back as 2009, and has a lot of her A-list LA celebrity friends doing testimonials for her product. Her product falls in that organic category a la Carol's Daughter or Mixed Chicks skincare . It's not as big as those others in terms of distribution, but a boutique business that seems to be dependent on Hollywood panache ---and while I see why she would want to stay in LA to milk her connections down to the bone marrow on order to grow her business...I still don't see how that's going to work when her husband has a calling in San Diego an how easily she dismisses that...looks like those two might not be evenly yoked, but I pray the Lord's blessing upon their union in any event.

PurpleRayven said:

Then again he probably heard it/talked about it so many times with her (we don't know) She seems like the type to want to into the ground till eventually the other person just doesn't give a f*** anymore, just sayin.

LOL, what man "talks" about something with a woman so many times? None that I know, especially someone like Prince, I don't see him being a great communicator.

sharonbell said:

PurpleRayven said:

LOL, what man "talks" about something with a woman so many times? None that I know, especially someone like Prince, I don't see him being a great communicator.

Hello and agreed. Men don't talk about things so many times. At least they don't communicate the way that women do, and especially during the grief process.

Ottensen said:

morningsong said:

Odd name for a cream, but then again when dealing with ashiness some folks need the tough stuff. SD and LA are completely different places, so I can see two different personalities wanting to live in separate cities, but you would think these are things people talk about before getting married, cause if he seriously prefers SD he's not gonna be happy in LA and if she has got to be in the LA scene then she's not going be happy in SD. Hope they work it out, does he want her more or does she want him more, tune in next week...

I'm waiting on Mayte cause there has got to be more to this, there just has to be.

The Woopash cream has been out for a quick minute, though. Sheree has been profiled by a couple of magazine beauty editors (like in Essence, In Style) as far back as 2009, and has a lot of her A-list LA celebrity friends doing testimonials for her product. Her product falls in that organic category a la Carol's Daughter or Mixed Chicks skincare . It's not as big as those others in terms of distribution, but a boutique business that seems to be dependent on Hollywood panache ---and while I see why she would want to stay in LA to milk her connections down to the bone marrow on order to grow her business...I still don't see how that's going to work when her husband has a calling in San Diego an how easily she dismisses that...looks like those two might not be evenly yoked, but I pray the Lord's blessing upon their union in any event.

I'll probably zero in on it now and see it everywhere, but there are sooo many products on the market folks gotta put it directly in ones face sometimes. I don't see how it can stay good between them two, but I'll side on hope and see if she (or he)can show us a thing or two, I'm always down for that.

morningsong said:

Ottensen said:

The Woopash cream has been out for a quick minute, though. Sheree has been profiled by a couple of magazine beauty editors (like in Essence, In Style) as far back as 2009, and has a lot of her A-list LA celebrity friends doing testimonials for her product. Her product falls in that organic category a la Carol's Daughter or Mixed Chicks skincare . It's not as big as those others in terms of distribution, but a boutique business that seems to be dependent on Hollywood panache ---and while I see why she would want to stay in LA to milk her connections down to the bone marrow on order to grow her business...I still don't see how that's going to work when her husband has a calling in San Diego an how easily she dismisses that...looks like those two might not be evenly yoked, but I pray the Lord's blessing upon their union in any event.

I'll probably zero in on it now and see it everywhere, but there are sooo many products on the market folks gotta put it directly in ones face sometimes. I don't see how it can stay good between them two, but I'll side on hope and see if she (or he)can show us a thing or two, I'm always down for that.

Right now you can only buy it direct mail from the Whoopash comapany. There's talk that it seems to work well for skin that has exzema and other dry conditions, could be nice to see it distributed in stores...or who knows, maybe she might go the Carol's Daughter route and open up a flaghsip store of her own once she developes more products.

As for her marriage, Lord..I just hope it all works out for the glory of God. I tried to find some interviews where one could learn more about her ministry as a first lady, but most of the ones conducted in urban settings are so poorly done, and so star-struck they're pretty embarrassing. Here's one good one where we actually here Sheree speak of the Lord and give serious testimony. It's long, but you can always skip around:

I just found this by accident, it was right after the Lady Chamain video and I thought it was going to be a blogger review of the Whoopash cream

Ottensen said:

I just found this by accident, it was right after the Lady Chamain video and I thought it was going to be a blogger review of the Whoopash cream

This commercial reads like a skit from In Living Color.

OK ladies (I assume anyone on this thread is a lady), I'm back on this thread because in my last post I expressed that Mayte looked totally NUTS and unjustified for being so upset about Jessica having an abortion, but a thought occurred to me recently that may soften my view of her.

WHAT IF, and this is pure speculation, Jessica had said something like, "well, I don't feel too bad about getting the abortion because it's not really a baby until it's born anyway, it's just a bunch of cells, like a tumor" when she was talking about her abortion with the other exes off-screen?

This thought occurred to me because I couldn't get over Andrea's rhetorical question to Jessica about the "hierarchy of life" - she was asking why a cockroach matters but an abortion doesn't. And Mayte said it wasn't the abortion itself, but how she talked about it "cavalierly." Perhaps Jessica had implied that aborting an unborn embryo/fetus is not really a person. I've heard many people justify abortion this way, including my best friend (but I suspect it's just to make themselves feel better). And I've seen people who really want children and miscarry be offended by this because they were emotionally attached to the "bunch of cells" as a real baby, and to imply that it is not a baby because it wasn't born minimizes their loss.

This is the ONLY explanation I can think of for why a grown woman would be upset like Mayte was.

Still DOES NOT excuse throwing glasses and saying "F--- you!" and making everyone uncomfortable. She still should have discussed her issues with Jessica alone and like an adult.

Edit: (btw: I am pro-choice all the way; but abortion is definitely a complicated issue for those personally involved).

[Edited 8/15/12 10:02am]

prodigalfan said:

I think Mayte doesn't WANT to move on... she doesn't really want to have a baby... she wants THAT baby.... hers and Prince's that passed away. And that is of course not possible.

Most profound thing in this whole effin' thread. And (sadly) right on, I think.

artist76 said:

OK ladies (I assume anyone on this thread is a lady), I'm back on this thread because in my last post I expressed that Mayte looked totally NUTS and unjustified for being so upset about Jessica having an abortion, but a thought occurred to me recently that may soften my view of her.

WHAT IF, and this is pure speculation, Jessica had said something like, "well, I don't feel too bad about getting the abortion because it's not really a baby until it's born anyway, it's just a bunch of cells, like a tumor" when she was talking about her abortion with the other exes off-screen?

This thought occurred to me because I couldn't get over Andrea's rhetorical question to Jessica about the "hierarchy of life" - she was asking why a cockroach matters but an abortion doesn't. And Mayte said it wasn't the abortion itself, but how she talked about it "cavalierly." Perhaps Jessica had implied that aborting an unborn embryo/fetus is not really a person. I've heard many people justify abortion this way, including my best friend (but I suspect it's just to make themselves feel better). And I've seen people who really want children and miscarry be offended by this because they were emotionally attached to the "bunch of cells" as a real baby, and to imply that it is not a baby because it wasn't born minimizes their loss.

This is the ONLY explanation I can think of for why a grown woman would be upset like Mayte was.

Still DOES NOT excuse throwing glasses and saying "F--- you!" and making everyone uncomfortable. She still should have discussed her issues with Jessica alone and like an adult.

Edit: (btw: I am pro-choice all the way; but abortion is definitely a complicated issue for those personally involved).

[Edited 8/15/12 10:02am]

No matter how Jessica stated it, for Mayte is nuts.

For her to be this upset still, this reactionary after 15 years, shows she has not sought the necessary therapy that she desperately needs to put this portion of her life in perspective to move on. Again, not to get over it, but to get past and create a new future.

Someone posted that before marriage Tommy Lee insisted on therapy and then their relationship came to an end. Makes me think that he found out she was nuts, or baby obsessed or something that he wasn't taking this type of relationship on.

Mayte's issues are just that MAYTE'S issues and if she cannot deal with adults who have different thoughts on things, that speaks a lot about her. She is upset over an abortion Jessica had (for whatever reason) but can sit at a table and look at baby photos and call friend the woman who "supposedly" comforted her husband during her hurtful time, underminded her marriage and then went on to marry the man?

REALLY????? You are not upset at that woman but upset over some random act that had nothing top do with you?

BklynDiamond said:

artist76 said:

OK ladies (I assume anyone on this thread is a lady), I'm back on this thread because in my last post I expressed that Mayte looked totally NUTS and unjustified for being so upset about Jessica having an abortion, but a thought occurred to me recently that may soften my view of her.

WHAT IF, and this is pure speculation, Jessica had said something like, "well, I don't feel too bad about getting the abortion because it's not really a baby until it's born anyway, it's just a bunch of cells, like a tumor" when she was talking about her abortion with the other exes off-screen?

This thought occurred to me because I couldn't get over Andrea's rhetorical question to Jessica about the "hierarchy of life" - she was asking why a cockroach matters but an abortion doesn't. And Mayte said it wasn't the abortion itself, but how she talked about it "cavalierly." Perhaps Jessica had implied that aborting an unborn embryo/fetus is not really a person. I've heard many people justify abortion this way, including my best friend (but I suspect it's just to make themselves feel better). And I've seen people who really want children and miscarry be offended by this because they were emotionally attached to the "bunch of cells" as a real baby, and to imply that it is not a baby because it wasn't born minimizes their loss.

This is the ONLY explanation I can think of for why a grown woman would be upset like Mayte was.

Still DOES NOT excuse throwing glasses and saying "F--- you!" and making everyone uncomfortable. She still should have discussed her issues with Jessica alone and like an adult.

Edit: (btw: I am pro-choice all the way; but abortion is definitely a complicated issue for those personally involved).

[Edited 8/15/12 10:02am]

No matter how Jessica stated it, for Mayte is nuts.

For her to be this upset still, this reactionary after 15 years, shows she has not sought the necessary therapy that she desperately needs to put this portion of her life in perspective to move on. Again, not to get over it, but to get past and create a new future.

Someone posted that before marriage Tommy Lee insisted on therapy and then their relationship came to an end. Makes me think that he found out she was nuts, or baby obsessed or something that he wasn't taking this type of relationship on.

Mayte's issues are just that MAYTE'S issues and if she cannot deal with adults who have different thoughts on things, that speaks a lot about her. She is upset over an abortion Jessica had (for whatever reason) but can sit at a table and look at baby photos and call friend the woman who "supposedly" comforted her husband during her hurtful time, underminded her marriage and then went on to marry the man?

REALLY????? You are not upset at that woman but upset over some random act that had nothing top do with you?

I have to agree. I think someone posted earlier in this thread that Mayte is angry at her ex husband. I think this is right on, and also angry and wifie #2, no matter how she acts friendly towards her.

I think she has some misplaced anger toward Jessica. Probably because Jessica is an easy target to unload some anger toward. Jessica is always needling someone, so someone is always angry with Jessica. There is no risk in going off on Jessica. It seems she is the handy "punching bag" for the group, (not that she doesn't start these).

I agree that Mayte needed closure. But she missed her opportunity. It appears she "forgave" both Prince and Mani so....

BklynDiamond said:

artist76 said:

OK ladies (I assume anyone on this thread is a lady), I'm back on this thread because in my last post I expressed that Mayte looked totally NUTS and unjustified for being so upset about Jessica having an abortion, but a thought occurred to me recently that may soften my view of her.

WHAT IF, and this is pure speculation, Jessica had said something like, "well, I don't feel too bad about getting the abortion because it's not really a baby until it's born anyway, it's just a bunch of cells, like a tumor" when she was talking about her abortion with the other exes off-screen?

This thought occurred to me because I couldn't get over Andrea's rhetorical question to Jessica about the "hierarchy of life" - she was asking why a cockroach matters but an abortion doesn't. And Mayte said it wasn't the abortion itself, but how she talked about it "cavalierly." Perhaps Jessica had implied that aborting an unborn embryo/fetus is not really a person. I've heard many people justify abortion this way, including my best friend (but I suspect it's just to make themselves feel better). And I've seen people who really want children and miscarry be offended by this because they were emotionally attached to the "bunch of cells" as a real baby, and to imply that it is not a baby because it wasn't born minimizes their loss.

This is the ONLY explanation I can think of for why a grown woman would be upset like Mayte was.

Still DOES NOT excuse throwing glasses and saying "F--- you!" and making everyone uncomfortable. She still should have discussed her issues with Jessica alone and like an adult.

Edit: (btw: I am pro-choice all the way; but abortion is definitely a complicated issue for those personally involved).

[Edited 8/15/12 10:02am]

No matter how Jessica stated it, for Mayte is nuts.

For her to be this upset still, this reactionary after 15 years, shows she has not sought the necessary therapy that she desperately needs to put this portion of her life in perspective to move on. Again, not to get over it, but to get past and create a new future.

Someone posted that before marriage Tommy Lee insisted on therapy and then their relationship came to an end. Makes me think that he found out she was nuts, or baby obsessed or something that he wasn't taking this type of relationship on.

Mayte's issues are just that MAYTE'S issues and if she cannot deal with adults who have different thoughts on things, that speaks a lot about her. She is upset over an abortion Jessica had (for whatever reason) but can sit at a table and look at baby photos and call friend the woman who "supposedly" comforted her husband during her hurtful time, underminded her marriage and then went on to marry the man?

REALLY????? You are not upset at that woman but upset over some random act that had nothing top do with you?

My God! I thought same thing! What the hell? Makes no sense!

Tonite should be interesting. Going by last week's promo for tonite's episode looks like Mayte is unapologetic about her blowup and cliques within the group are gonna start forming.

prodigalfan said:

^

I agree. But if you are going to put on a show... well, that is not a good experience to exploit.

dang!

Nicole chooses losing a few hundred thousand (out of millions) of dollars from a trust fund, and selling a house and moving and her jewelery business

Sheree chooses the conflict of a long distance marriage and starting a business;

Andrea chooses moving to LA to check out the prospects of relocating her business there;

Jessica chooses her struggle to help her daughter move smoothly into womanhood;

Mayte chooses tragic death of a child, and pregnancy from a long long time ago and finding a man in order to have a baby.

Really???? all the others chose lightweight fluff stuff. Mayte chooses an issue that screams need for therapy.

why not focus on acting career. Taking acting classes? Going on acting calls or trying to get into plays?? Or starting a summer stock theater??

Why something so heavy if this Reality tv is "not real?"

Because once again... it is not a good look. A talent scout will look at this and think; ISSUES; can't get along with the cast. For someone trying to get a break...

I agree, but I also wonder if Mayte actually chose the tragic death of her baby experience to be the highlight of her story on this show or if it was the producers who chose it for her? I agree that she definitely should have the focus be on her acting or bellydancing/dancing in general. However since all reality shows use a lot of staging in order to bring about drama and conflict in their shows--I cant help but wonder how much of this was Mayte's decision to play up the baby's death story, versus a decision made by the producers? But I will say that even if it was a decision made by the producers to have her play it up, she went along with it, and thats a bad decision that will cost her.

[Edited 8/15/12 15:46pm]

BklynDiamond said:

lauralevesque said:

BklynDiamond said:

No matter how Jessica stated it, for Mayte is nuts.

For her to be this upset still, this reactionary after 15 years, shows she has not sought the necessary therapy that she desperately needs to put this portion of her life in perspective to move on. Again, not to get over it, but to get past and create a new future.

Someone posted that before marriage Tommy Lee insisted on therapy and then their relationship came to an end. Makes me think that he found out she was nuts, or baby obsessed or something that he wasn't taking this type of relationship on.

Mayte's issues are just that MAYTE'S issues and if she cannot deal with adults who have different thoughts on things, that speaks a lot about her. She is upset over an abortion Jessica had (for whatever reason) but can sit at a table and look at baby photos and call friend the woman who "supposedly" comforted her husband during her hurtful time, underminded her marriage and then went on to marry the man?

REALLY????? You are not upset at that woman but upset over some random act that had nothing top do with you?

My God! I thought same thing! What the hell? Makes no sense!

This is why I asked why Mayte and Manuela are "friends".

Mayte doesn't seem forgiving to me, she just comes off as pasive agressive and dumps her issues on people.

I think Jessica originally told the group about her abortion to seek support and Andrea and Sheree threw it up in Jessica's face when Jessica called Sheree a hypocrit.

Now if Mayte is going on Jessica's response about her abortion to Sheree (during an argument mind you) Mayte is crazy because Jessica was angry and visibly upset and shrugged off Sheree's judgement of her.

Mayte should have seen that Jessica was actually upset and not cavalier at all about her loss, IMO Jessica was hurt by the exchange and puffed up at the mere mention of her abortion.

Ido not get how Mayte read that situation the way she did, she is blinded by her own pain and wants a reason to dump on someone.

Yeah, she wants her baby Gregory back. She has to get closure in therapy.

paintedlady said:

lauralevesque said:

My God! I thought same thing! What the hell? Makes no sense!

This is why I asked why Mayte and Manuela are "friends".

Mayte doesn't seem forgiving to me, she just comes off as pasive agressive and dumps her issues on people.

I think Jessica originally told the group about her abortion to seek support and Andrea and Sheree threw it up in Jessica's face when Jessica called Sheree a hypocrit.

Now if Mayte is going on Jessica's response about her abortion to Sheree (during an argument mind you) Mayte is crazy because Jessica was angry and visibly upset and shrugged off Sheree's judgement of her.

Mayte should have seen that Jessica was actually upset and not cavalier at all about her loss, IMO Jessica was hurt by the exchange and puffed up at the mere mention of her abortion.

Ido not get how Mayte read that situation the way she did, she is blinded by her own pain and wants a reason to dump on someone.

Yeah, she wants her baby Gregory back. She has to get closure in therapy.

I don't know how Andrea and Sherree could consider themselves friends of Jessica's if they would do this. Who would do that to a true friend?

lauralevesque said:

paintedlady said:

I think Jessica originally told the group about her abortion to seek support and Andrea and Sheree threw it up in Jessica's face when Jessica called Sheree a hypocrit.

I don't know how Andrea and Sherree could consider themselves friends of Jessica's if they would do this. Who would do that to a true friend?

I think Sheree was just retaliating from being called a hypocrit. Jessica musta hit a nerve on that one. Being called a hypocrit should not shake Sheree IF Sheree was on solid ground with her faith/teaching.

Now Andrea IMO threw that in there to instigate a fight. She dropped that bomb and pulled back proclaiming "What happened?? ... I just asked a simple question! "

Andrea knows full well she asked a loaded question... the very question that would set the mess that we saw on episode 8 in motion. Its a slippery slope when talking about reproductive issues isn't it?

[Edited 8/15/12 16:37pm]

Ottensen said:

morningsong said:

I'll probably zero in on it now and see it everywhere, but there are sooo many products on the market folks gotta put it directly in ones face sometimes. I don't see how it can stay good between them two, but I'll side on hope and see if she (or he)can show us a thing or two, I'm always down for that.

Right now you can only buy it direct mail from the Whoopash comapany. There's talk that it seems to work well for skin that has exzema and other dry conditions, could be nice to see it distributed in stores...or who knows, maybe she might go the Carol's Daughter route and open up a flaghsip store of her own once she developes more products.

As for her marriage, Lord..I just hope it all works out for the glory of God. I tried to find some interviews where one could learn more about her ministry as a first lady, but most of the ones conducted in urban settings are so poorly done, and so star-struck they're pretty embarrassing. Here's one good one where we actually here Sheree speak of the Lord and give serious testimony. It's long, but you can always skip around:

Thank. That was interesting to hear.

The other YouTube had me laughing, though.

Anyway it looks like after all these years Prince is getting vindicated in one show.

paintedlady said:

lauralevesque said:

I don't know how Andrea and Sherree could consider themselves friends of Jessica's if they would do this. Who would do that to a true friend?

I think Sheree was just retaliating from being called a hypocrit. Jessica musta hit a nerve on that one. Being called a hypocrit should not shake Sheree IF Sheree was on solid ground with her faith/teaching.

Now Andrea IMO threw that in there to instigate a fight. She dropped that bomb and pulled back proclaiming "What happened?? ... I just asked a simple question! "

Andrea knows full well she asked a loaded question... the very question that would set the mess that we saw on episode 8 in motion. Its a slippery slope when talking about reproductive issues isn't it?

[Edited 8/15/12 16:37pm]

She sure did!!

I'm sorry I can't take Mayte anymore.Personally I think she's just bring the baby up for the show.You can't tell me she didn't talk about this in therapy with TL.I think she just wants the baby with Prince.Plus what's up with her being friends with mani's husband.

starafree said:

I'm sorry I can't take Mayte anymore.Personally I think she's just bring the baby up for the show.You can't tell me she didn't talk about this in therapy with TL.I think she just wants the baby with Prince.Plus what's up with her being friends with mani's husband.

I feel the same way. I used to always love Mayte but now for the most part, just don't like her. She's got bitch face way too much. She's rubbing me the wrong way and I'm feeling like these baby issues are exaggerated for the show.

I have just watched the new Episode 9 and I TAKE BACK MY EARLIER POST ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT MAYBE THE WAY JESSICA TALKED ABOUT HER ABORTION MIGHT EXPLAIN MAYTE'S CRAZY REACTION. I was trying to give Mayte some benefit of the doubt. After this episode, nevermind!

Apparently, Jessica just talked about it and Mayte chose to be upset about it, expecting everyone to walk on eggshells and anticipate her feelings by telepathy or something.

There's so many ways in which Mayte came off so WRONG, yet again.

1/ Even Sheree has a wtf look when Mayte says Jessica must have made a mistake to invite her to polo - she must be really immature to assume other people cannot reach out an olive branch or get over something just because you cannot. Sheree is basically like, no it's not a mistake, but Mayte doesn't get in a conciliatory mindset in any way.

2/ She doesn't agree to work things out and/or apologize, even when Nicole (who is a producer of this show!) basically tells you you were out of line. Really, she's that stubborn? And she admits to having a temper too, like it's something cute or expected from a latina. Stubborn and a temper. Theoretically cute, but difficult to live with in reality.

3/ At therapy (which is all staged, I'm sure) she talks about the difficulty being in this group of women who often talk about their kids. This is understandable, and I have sympathisized with her when the ladies go on and on about their kids. Fair enough, but then why don't you talk about this with ALL the ladies, instead of venting your anger on Jessica over her abortion that has nothing to do with you?

4/ Very skeptical about Mayte's claim that nobody has called her a mother before. In that 1997 interview with Spike Lee,* Prince talked about himself being a father. I remember it because I thought it was weird at the time too, like "how can you know what it's like to be a father, you don't have kids, your baby is dead?" Doubtful he talked about himself like that but never mentioned to Mayte that yes, you are/were a mother too! Maybe he meant it in his weird Prince-ly way, but still - it's been 15 years and she's supposedly had therapy before, and possibly support groups, so it's doubtful it's a completely new revelation to her. If she's still got this much anger and lacks perspective after 15 yrs, then wow, just wow.

5/ Yes, Jessica IS the better/bigger person to reach out to her after the glass-throwing incident and invite her to polo. An invitation to which Mayte never responded, again (talk about passive-aggressive - sheesh!). I'm seeing what TL may have meant about her being "spoiled." She expects others to cater to her emotions, but doesn't RSVP, doesn't talk to Jessica before, and then saunters in at the last minute b/c she feels gracious enough to come. ??

6/ Don't imply on twitterverse that you're some sort of victim of reality TV editing. You've been on at least 3 reality TV shows now, you know how it works! Yes, the editors/producers can bend things and instigate things, but you can't be shown having an irrational bitchy moment if you refrain from behaving that way around the cameras in the first place! And if you're intentionally using this "I lost babies and I'm angry!" thing as your platform/storyline, that's pathetic and it's ON YOU. Look at Jessica - she's using the show to promote her business now for the umpteenth time already!

Morningsong posted that Prince is being vindicated by this show after all these years, and I agree. Never followed their stories, but I think it was generally assumed "he did her wrong by leaving her." But now I'm getting a different picture. Those statements he made in the later '90s, like on Larry King, about "not wallowing in the past" now make him seem more mature, though at the time it made him seem like a weirdo (plus we thought he was just talking about WB). Even his conversion to JW now seem like a mature response, compared to Mayte.

Both were grown-ups, so I don't say Prince was a victim either - both made choices. But in some ways he was used. That's the impression I get with her following every single person associated with Prince on twitter, just clinging to every association with him. That's her claim to fame. I don't think he had to do a lot of svengali-like seducing to get her - she probably jumped at the chance to live that amazing life and be a "princess" (and her parents facilitating it). And prodigalfan is right - she doesn't want A baby, she wants THAT baby she and Prince had. That way, she'd still be associated to him (and have his money too).

Lastly, he lost a child too! - If we're to believe it was so painful for her, then it was painful for him too -- yet here she is cheapening it by using it as a reality show platform! (possibly). If it's not just a platform but real unresolved pain, then it shows that Prince was really resilient in comparison. I saw part of the movie "Rabbit Hole" (couldn't finish it, was too heavy for after work evening viewing), and it really made me sympathisize with the husband's dilemma when a couple loses a child - in some ways, it's "worse" for him (if you can say that) because he is not allowed to cry like a girl and he has to be "strong" and responsible for his wife and be understanding of her even when she's irrational and angry at him even blaming him.

* Here's the quote from the Spike Lee interview (emphasis mine): "It is not a subject I like discussing, but my wife's pregnancy made me an adult four times over. Kids will do that. Just dealing with every circumstance is an emotional roller coaster, but nevertheless I have grown so much as a soul." About the media questions, he says "I would have been lying to myself and the spirit of the child" to be negative or say he was dead. The child lived to him.

I'm love with your post.I agree with everything you've said

artist76 said:

I have just watched the new Episode 9 and I TAKE BACK MY EARLIER POST ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT MAYBE THE WAY JESSICA TALKED ABOUT HER ABORTION MIGHT EXPLAIN MAYTE'S CRAZY REACTION. I was trying to give Mayte some benefit of the doubt. After this episode, nevermind!

Apparently, Jessica just talked about it and Mayte chose to be upset about it, expecting everyone to walk on eggshells and anticipate her feelings by telepathy or something.

There's so many ways in which Mayte came off so WRONG, yet again.

1/ Even Sheree has a wtf look when Mayte says Jessica must have made a mistake to invite her to polo - she must be really immature to assume other people cannot reach out an olive branch or get over something just because you cannot. Sheree is basically like, no it's not a mistake, but Mayte doesn't get in a conciliatory mindset in any way.

2/ She doesn't agree to work things out and/or apologize, even when Nicole (who is a producer of this show!) basically tells you you were out of line. Really, she's that stubborn? And she admits to having a temper too, like it's something cute or expected from a latina. Stubborn and a temper. Theoretically cute, but difficult to live with in reality.

3/ At therapy (which is all staged, I'm sure) she talks about the difficulty being in this group of women who often talk about their kids. This is understandable, and I have sympathisized with her when the ladies go on and on about their kids. Fair enough, but then why don't you talk about this with ALL the ladies, instead of venting your anger on Jessica over her abortion that has nothing to do with you?

4/ Very skeptical about Mayte's claim that nobody has called her a mother before. In that 1997 interview with Spike Lee,* Prince talked about himself being a father. I remember it because I thought it was weird at the time too, like "how can you know what it's like to be a father, you don't have kids, your baby is dead?" Doubtful he talked about himself like that but never mentioned to Mayte that yes, you are/were a mother too! Maybe he meant it in his weird Prince-ly way, but still - it's been 15 years and she's supposedly had therapy before, and possibly support groups, so it's doubtful it's a completely new revelation to her. If she's still got this much anger and lacks perspective after 15 yrs, then wow, just wow.

5/ Yes, Jessica IS the better/bigger person to reach out to her after the glass-throwing incident and invite her to polo. An invitation to which Mayte never responded, again (talk about passive-aggressive - sheesh!). I'm seeing what TL may have meant about her being "spoiled." She expects others to cater to her emotions, but doesn't RSVP, doesn't talk to Jessica before, and then saunters in at the last minute b/c she feels gracious enough to come. ??

6/ Don't imply on twitterverse that you're some sort of victim of reality TV editing. You've been on at least 3 reality TV shows now, you know how it works! Yes, the editors/producers can bend things and instigate things, but you can't be shown having an irrational bitchy moment if you refrain from behaving that way around the cameras in the first place! And if you're intentionally using this "I lost babies and I'm angry!" thing as your platform/storyline, that's pathetic and it's ON YOU. Look at Jessica - she's using the show to promote her business now for the umpteenth time already!

Morningsong posted that Prince is being vindicated by this show after all these years, and I agree. Never followed their stories, but I think it was generally assumed "he did her wrong by leaving her." But now I'm getting a different picture. Those statements he made in the later '90s, like on Larry King, about "not wallowing in the past" now make him seem more mature, though at the time it made him seem like a weirdo (plus we thought he was just talking about WB). Even his conversion to JW now seem like a mature response, compared to Mayte.

Both were grown-ups, so I don't say Prince was a victim either - both made choices. But in some ways he was used. That's the impression I get with her following every single person associated with Prince on twitter, just clinging to every association with him. That's her claim to fame. I don't think he had to do a lot of svengali-like seducing to get her - she probably jumped at the chance to live that amazing life and be a "princess" (and her parents facilitating it). And prodigalfan is right - she doesn't want A baby, she wants THAT baby she and Prince had. That way, she'd still be associated to him (and have his money too).

Lastly, he lost a child too! - If we're to believe it was so painful for her, then it was painful for him too -- yet here she is cheapening it by using it as a reality show platform! (possibly). If it's not just a platform but real unresolved pain, then it shows that Prince was really resilient in comparison. I saw part of the movie "Rabbit Hole" (couldn't finish it, was too heavy for after work evening viewing), and it really made me sympathisize with the husband's dilemma when a couple loses a child - in some ways, it's "worse" for him (if you can say that) because he is not allowed to cry like a girl and he has to be "strong" and responsible for his wife and be understanding of her even when she's irrational and angry at him even blaming him.

* Here's the quote from the Spike Lee interview (emphasis mine): "It is not a subject I like discussing, but my wife's pregnancy made me an adult four times over. Kids will do that. Just dealing with every circumstance is an emotional roller coaster, but nevertheless I have grown so much as a soul." About the media questions, he says "I would have been lying to myself and the spirit of the child" to be negative or say he was dead. The child lived to him.

Lawd, some of these responses...

Mayte is coming across like an ignorant fool. Episode seven she makes the ridiculous claim that her pregnancy issues which are genetic in origin (which she confirms in episode eight) were down to her at the time vegan diet. A totally unfounded, unscientific assertion.

Then she stigmatises and bullies further a woman who had an abortion aged seventeen in a back alley. It's this very bullying and stigma which leads people to seek out such unsafe places. Jessica hadn't even brought up the abortion, rather her confidence had been betrayed by the brain dead pair Sheree and Andrea.

This show has gone in some ridiculous directions and is a total mess at this point rather than fake, reality siliness.

2elijah said:I have to ask though, how is it Jessica wouldn't kill a roach, but could abort a baby, then attack the girls and threaten them for eating meat because, as Jessica somehow put it 'Aniimals have feelings'.

Because she didn't abort a "baby", she aborted a conglomeration of fetus cells. No comparison at all to the sentience of living, existing animals, human or otherwise.

Well everyone can calm down now because everyone has now made up on the show. I'm sure the reunion will be interesting.

Last night's episode was rather boring.

Drea's dude, Pursey (sp?) is off the chain. Though I don't agree with what Drea has been doing in the past few episodes, I can relate when she said she felt like "she couldn't breathe" when he was asking for them to go monogamous. I'm like, wow, y'all haven't known each other but for 5 minutes and he already wants a commitment? Suspect.

Mayte goes to counseling and has a breakthrough? Suspect. One counseling session doesn't "put things into perspective" that quickly. Sorry.

Jessica and Mayte making up. Suspect.

Sheree and that Whoop Ash or whatever it's called cream. Suspect.

Nicole and her modeling...great move. The billboard hunt? Suspect.

I was starting to like the non-drama direction of the show before the catrastrophe the past two episodes. Oh well.

This show is not showing Mayte in the best light and is making me think that the innocent, sweet, put upon young thing was just a serious act.

She had this opportunity to do many things - highlight her belly dancing and promote her dvds and classes (which at one time I was interested in buying but not much now).

She could have used the loss of her child as a platform for the positive, showing support to other women who have gone through similar situation, etc.

She has done none of that, she has portrayed herself as a bitter, vindictive, unstable, crazy person obessessed with her ex husband and the baby they had. She makes it seem as is if she has not moved past that day in time 15 years ago and it seems her mother feeds into this and even encourages it.

Sheree is another piece of work and I believe Jessica when she calls her a hypocrit. She did not look at the situation with any objectivity.....she only viewed it in a way to damn Jessica. IMO Jessica did nothing wrong, had no reason to apologize and Sheree and Mayte should take a flying one. Seems to me Jessica is too nice of a person to really lay into them, but I hope someone pulls their cards and lays them to bare with the bs they spout. If Mayte was upset, then Mayte needed to get over it. Jessica apologized, MAYTE kept harping on it, so yeah, Jesscia basically said Get therapy, you need it.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Dsoul said:

2elijah said:I have to ask though, how is it Jessica wouldn't kill a roach, but could abort a baby, then attack the girls and threaten them for eating meat because, as Jessica somehow put it 'Aniimals have feelings'.

Because she didn't abort a "baby", she aborted a conglomeration of fetus cells. No comparison at all to the sentience of living, existing animals, human or otherwise.

That is assuming she aborted the baby in the first trimester. To think Jessica even thought this way about her pregnancy is pure speculation. IMO she sounded like a woman racked with guilt and full of regret issues otherwise there would be no need to seek support from girlfriends YEARS after the fact.

Why even mention it at all if it was just a zygote to her?

I know women who abort and never mention it again and go on as if nothing went down. Jessica doesn't strike me as one of those women. She is too defensive about the subject to be apathetic. Jessica is doing that overcompensation thing to make up for the guilt factor I guess.

BklynDiamond said:

This show is not showing Mayte in the best light and is making me think that the innocent, sweet, put upon young thing was just a serious act.

She had this opportunity to do many things - highlight her belly dancing and promote her dvds and classes (which at one time I was interested in buying but not much now).

She could have used the loss of her child as a platform for the positive, showing support to other women who have gone through similar situation, etc.

She has done none of that, she has portrayed herself as a bitter, vindictive, unstable, crazy person obessessed with her ex husband and the baby they had. She makes it seem as is if she has not moved past that day in time 15 years ago and it seems her mother feeds into this and even encourages it.

Sheree is another piece of work and I believe Jessica when she calls her a hypocrit. She did not look at the situation with any objectivity.....she only viewed it in a way to damn Jessica. IMO Jessica did nothing wrong, had no reason to apologize and Sheree and Mayte should take a flying one. Seems to me Jessica is too nice of a person to really lay into them, but I hope someone pulls their cards and lays them to bare with the bs they spout. If Mayte was upset, then Mayte needed to get over it. Jessica apologized, MAYTE kept harping on it, so yeah, Jesscia basically said Get therapy, you need it.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Soo true!

Really, It would have been better if Mayte had not done this show. I liked her much better when I didn't know much about her. Now that the show has come on I find myself cringing when I see her because she's coming across as so bitter and bitchy and like someone else said in another post, she thinks she's cute and I don't think she's so cute. Jessica is coming off more like a nice and sweet girl even if at times she is a little passive aggressive. At least with her it seems unintentional. With Jessica she just seems to put her foot in her mouth and I don't think she means to whereas Mayte looks like she's trying too hard to make herself come across as "feisty" and all in the same breath, as a victim. Gosh.