BlaqueKnight said:

funksterr said:

Messages I saw on Jesse's facebook that pretty much sum up the situtation:

Bernard Muzzikking Edwards II Im gonna unlike this page i cant believe this dude playing backup for d' angelo when he is far moe talented than d'angelo.Leaving a band as talented as the original 7 was a dumb move you were more relevant with them now your a no name to d angelo fans while he rock your style and you play backup. you best offf staying with the original 7 or going solo. what a fool... !

Tuesday at 5:51pm

Joe Hazen How long until you leave D'Angelo hanging the way you did your boys??? And after his tour is over, then what?? Maybe Terrence Trent D'arby will need a guitar player. Or then again, you could do another show at the Roxy for $10 a ticket and fail to sell the place out again.

17 hours ago · 1

Williams Lesley You should stop calling people babies. It's not nice and your trying too be cute. We're not the ones that jumped up and left a group because folks weren't treating (as you say) well. If you knew you couldn't get along with your former band members then you shouldn't of agreed to do the reunion album with them. Your a selfish and evil person. Your no better than the people your talking about. Now that's the truth.

17 hours ago

Sounds like Prince fanbots who are mad that Jesse is not staying in his designated Prince box.

I think that's unfair.

There are a lot of people upset about what's happened. Clearly there's demand to see the original group (with all it's members) otherwise they wouldn't have bothered in the first place. For Jesse to jump ship so quickly isn't fair to all the fans that were hoping to see them tour to support the album.

I'm happy Jesse is playing with D'Angelo but I'd much rather see him with the O7 and I'm upset that I won't be able to, as after what he's done, I doubt they will EVER make amends and do shows with all the full line-up.

For us younger folk, the opportunity of seeing all the original members of The Time together has now completely disappeared, likely forever. Of course, I'll go see the six of them still if they perform, but I would have loved to see all the original members perform together.

Being upset at Jesse over what he's done here has nothing to do with Prince and people upset about it aren't all "fanbots".

I'd like to see him playing with the O7, too but not if they are only going to play Condensate. What's the point? Morris Day and the Time cover all of the other songs. Why get the old gang back together and NOT play a lot of the new stuff? Nostalgia is not enough incentive for everyone.

Why is Prince the only artist allowed to grow up around here?

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BlaqueKnight said:

I'd like to see him playing with the O7, too but not if they are only going to play Condensate. What's the point? Morris Day and the Time cover all of the other songs. Why get the old gang back together and NOT play a lot of the new stuff? Nostalgia is not enough incentive for everyone.

Why is Prince the only artist allowed to grow up around here?

[Edited 2/9/12 12:08pm]

I don't know who you're talking about, but if I was to compile the set I'd like to see the O7 play, there'd be at least 4 songs from "Condensate" in there, as well as some of Jesse's solo material.

If they didn't play a lot of new songs at the few gigs they did do recently before Jesse left, maybe you ought to ask them why that is?

Militant said:

BlaqueKnight said:

I'd like to see him playing with the O7, too but not if they are only going to play Condensate. What's the point? Morris Day and the Time cover all of the other songs. Why get the old gang back together and NOT play a lot of the new stuff? Nostalgia is not enough incentive for everyone.

Why is Prince the only artist allowed to grow up around here?

[Edited 2/9/12 12:08pm]

I don't know who you're talking about, but if I was to compile the set I'd like to see the O7 play, there'd be at least 4 songs from "Condensate" in there, as well as some of Jesse's solo material.

If they didn't play a lot of new songs at the few gigs they did do recently before Jesse left, maybe you ought to ask them why that is?

I don't have a problem with Jesse playing with D. I think its a good thing. He should be known and appreciated outside of the Prince circle.

funksterr said:

Messages I saw on Jesse's facebook that pretty much sum up the situtation:

Bernard Muzzikking Edwards II Im gonna unlike this page i cant believe this dude playing backup for d' angelo when he is far moe talented than d'angelo.Leaving a band as talented as the original 7 was a dumb move you were more relevant with them now your a no name to d angelo fans while he rock your style and you play backup. you best offf staying with the original 7 or going solo. what a fool... !

Tuesday at 5:51pm

Joe Hazen How long until you leave D'Angelo hanging the way you did your boys??? And after his tour is over, then what?? Maybe Terrence Trent D'arby will need a guitar player. Or then again, you could do another show at the Roxy for $10 a ticket and fail to sell the place out again.

17 hours ago · 1

Williams Lesley You should stop calling people babies. It's not nice and your trying too be cute. We're not the ones that jumped up and left a group because folks weren't treating (as you say) well. If you knew you couldn't get along with your former band members then you shouldn't of agreed to do the reunion album with them. Your a selfish and evil person. Your no better than the people your talking about. Now that's the truth.

17 hours ago

Damn these folks went in on Jesse.

As far as the FB comments here. Bernard sounds like a true Jesse/Time fan who is

clearly disappointed like a lot of us who appreciate the new cd and the tours and were

hoping to get to see the original lineup play together. Jesse is a grown man and can do

what he wants but it's the manner in which he handled it that wasn't professional and i

am a bigger Jesse fan than Time fan but i don't have a problem with Jesse/Time fans

expressing their disappointment but just not on Jesse's FB page.

Have a little more respect than that.

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That's why I said what I said, Phunk. Those comments were from his facebook page. Its true that he SHOULD have handled his departure from the Time better but at the same time, these people are spitting venom mainly because they don't like the choices he made, which is really none of any of our concern.

Nobody goes on peoples' jobs and tells them what they should and shouldn't do - they would have a fit and head straight to human resources or security and have that person escorted out. Well, "we" don't get to make career choices for working musicians, either. They take the gigs they think will benefit them the most.

This same thing happened to Van Hunt a while back - there was a big fan rant over a couple of comments he made on his own MySpace page. Some of these fans get so wrapped up in how they want things to be that they lose perspective and forget that these are real people with real lives, not some characters from a story.

Militant said: And this was after Graffiti Bridge had already gone through multiple evolutions including a version where

the "battle of the bands" thing was supposed to involve Tony LeMans and the Coco Boyz squaring off against Mazarati.

That's interesting The creation of those pre-scripts/plots might've already been taken place around 1986/1987?

Because by 1989/1990, Mazarati was long gone from the Paisley Park-roster while having a contract with Motown.

BlaqueKnight said:

Militant said:

I don't know who you're talking about, but if I was to compile the set I'd like to see the O7 play, there'd be at least 4 songs from "Condensate" in there, as well as some of Jesse's solo material.

If they didn't play a lot of new songs at the few gigs they did do recently before Jesse left, maybe you ought to ask them why that is?

I don't have a problem with Jesse playing with D. I think its a good thing. He should be known and appreciated outside of the Prince circle.

I don't think anyone has a problem with Jesse working with D'Angelo. The issue is that he broke up The Time/O7 again. Jam and Lewis basicly ressurected this guys career. And clearly, he is ungrateful and their charity has blown up in their faces. I don't know for sure, but it appears to me that Jam and Lewis financed this O7 project and they were likely expecting to recoup their money through a tour. That's why they needed the right deal with the right partners.

One other point, Jesse can't sing lead in The Time. That's not his role. He's the guitar player. I don't think he should get pissed because he can't Co-Headline the act with Morris Day. When you see Bon Jovi, does Richie Sambora run through his solo albums? There are a lot of bands with creative members who have careers outside the band, that doesn't ordinarily prevent people from playing their roles with the band unless people start ego-tripping. Usually it's the lead singer that has this problem (Raphael Saadiq), not the damn guitar player.

Give me Tori Ruffin and O7 as the opening act for Janet, or New Edition.

funksterr said:

BlaqueKnight said:

I don't have a problem with Jesse playing with D. I think its a good thing. He should be known and appreciated outside of the Prince circle.

I don't think anyone has a problem with Jesse working with D'Angelo. The issue is that he broke up The Time/O7 again. Jam and Lewis basicly ressurected this guys career. And clearly, he is ungrateful and their charity has blown up in their faces. I don't know for sure, but it appears to me that Jam and Lewis financed this O7 project and they were likely expecting to recoup their money through a tour. That's why they needed the right deal with the right partners.

One other point, Jesse can't sing lead in The Time. That's not his role. He's the guitar player. I don't think he should get pissed because he can't Co-Headline the act with Morris Day. When you see Bon Jovi, does Richie Sambora run through his solo albums? There are a lot of bands with creative members who have careers outside the band, that doesn't ordinarily prevent people from playing their roles with the band unless people start ego-tripping. Usually it's the lead singer that has this problem (Raphael Saadiq), not the damn guitar player.

Give me Tori Ruffin and O7 as the opening act for Janet, or New Edition.

Well, musicians don't need charity, they need GIGS.

Verbal Penetration (IMO) is a much better record than Condensate, and I really like Condensate. Its just that its pretty obvious from listening to VP that Jesse has grown in another direction. That coupled with other differences along the way just fueled the fire.

Dude said he didn't see any gigs for the O7 coming up over the course of the next 3 months, so he went ahead and did what he had to do to make that money.

Everything else is inconsequential. People gotta eat. I'm sure the other band members understood. The O7 isn't gigging; Morris Day and The Time are.

Militant said:

BlaqueKnight said:

I'd like to see him playing with the O7, too but not if they are only going to play Condensate. What's the point? Morris Day and the Time cover all of the other songs. Why get the old gang back together and NOT play a lot of the new stuff? Nostalgia is not enough incentive for everyone.

Why is Prince the only artist allowed to grow up around here?

[Edited 2/9/12 12:08pm]

I don't know who you're talking about, but if I was to compile the set I'd like to see the O7 play, there'd be at least 4 songs from "Condensate" in there, as well as some of Jesse's solo material.

If they didn't play a lot of new songs at the few gigs they did do recently before Jesse left, maybe you ought to ask them why that is?

I typed wrong. I meant not if they are only going to play THEIR OLD STUFF and not Condensate. It would be pointless to NOT play a lot of songs from the new record.

BlaqueKnight said:

funksterr said:

I don't think anyone has a problem with Jesse working with D'Angelo. The issue is that he broke up The Time/O7 again. Jam and Lewis basicly ressurected this guys career. And clearly, he is ungrateful and their charity has blown up in their faces. I don't know for sure, but it appears to me that Jam and Lewis financed this O7 project and they were likely expecting to recoup their money through a tour. That's why they needed the right deal with the right partners.

One other point, Jesse can't sing lead in The Time. That's not his role. He's the guitar player. I don't think he should get pissed because he can't Co-Headline the act with Morris Day. When you see Bon Jovi, does Richie Sambora run through his solo albums? There are a lot of bands with creative members who have careers outside the band, that doesn't ordinarily prevent people from playing their roles with the band unless people start ego-tripping. Usually it's the lead singer that has this problem (Raphael Saadiq), not the damn guitar player.

Give me Tori Ruffin and O7 as the opening act for Janet, or New Edition.

Well, musicians don't need charity, they need GIGS.

Verbal Penetration (IMO) is a much better record than Condensate, and I really like Condensate. Its just that its pretty obvious from listening to VP that Jesse has grown in another direction. That coupled with other differences along the way just fueled the fire.

Dude said he didn't see any gigs for the O7 coming up over the course of the next 3 months, so he went ahead and did what he had to do to make that money.

Everything else is inconsequential. People gotta eat. I'm sure the other band members understood. The O7 isn't gigging; Morris Day and The Time are.

By charity I meant work. I meant gigs. I meant studio oppurtunities through Flyte Tyme which included the ability to raise his profile significantly through the Chaka Kahn 'Funk This' album which won a Grammy. I meant they allowed him to participate in projects he otherwise would not have had access to. They could have called any guitar player in, but they called him. And now look at how he's screwed them. They are stucj with an album they can't promote and bills for it's promotion. What a pal, Jesse turned out to be.

He could have played with D'Angelo, or anyone else he wanted to without quitting the band. They all work heavily outside of O7. Hell, Jesse is the backup guitar player for D'Angelo so it's not like he can't miss gigs with D. Oh yeah, that's right he's already missed some shows. IMO, Jesse owed Flyte Tyme and O7, far too much to turn his back on the project, even if he wasn't getting everything he wanted. He owed the fans, who supported him and that project, better than that too.

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funksterr said:

By charity I meant work. I meant gigs. I meant studio oppurtunities through Flyte Tyme which included the ability to raise his profile significantly through the Chaka Kahn 'Funk This' album which won a Grammy. I meant they allowed him to participate in projects he otherwise would not have had access to. They could have called any guitar player in, but they called him. And now look at how he's screwed them. They are stucj with an album they can't promote and bills for it's promotion. What a pal, Jesse turned out to be.

He could have played with D'Angelo, or anyone else he wanted to without quitting the band. They all work heavily outside of O7. Hell, Jesse is the backup guitar player for D'Angelo so it's not like he can't miss gigs with D. Oh yeah, that's right he's already missed some shows. IMO, Jesse owed Flyte Tyme and O7, far too much to turn his back on the project, even if he wasn't getting everything he wanted. He owed the fans, who supported him and that project, better than that too.

[Edited 2/10/12 11:19am]

Well, according to him, they didn't have any gigs. That was part of the problem.

So he could:

a. sit around and twidle his thumbs basking in gracious gratitude of J&L for allowing him to record...

or

Go out and make some money and feed his kids.

I guess they can eat some of that gratitude.

Hey, anybody know how to make a gratitude sammich?

phunkdaddy said:

funksterr said:

Messages I saw on Jesse's facebook that pretty much sum up the situtation:

Bernard Muzzikking Edwards II Im gonna unlike this page i cant believe this dude playing backup for d' angelo when he is far moe talented than d'angelo.Leaving a band as talented as the original 7 was a dumb move you were more relevant with them now your a no name to d angelo fans while he rock your style and you play backup. you best offf staying with the original 7 or going solo. what a fool... !

Tuesday at 5:51pm

Joe Hazen How long until you leave D'Angelo hanging the way you did your boys??? And after his tour is over, then what?? Maybe Terrence Trent D'arby will need a guitar player. Or then again, you could do another show at the Roxy for $10 a ticket and fail to sell the place out again.

17 hours ago · 1

Williams Lesley You should stop calling people babies. It's not nice and your trying too be cute. We're not the ones that jumped up and left a group because folks weren't treating (as you say) well. If you knew you couldn't get along with your former band members then you shouldn't of agreed to do the reunion album with them. Your a selfish and evil person. Your no better than the people your talking about. Now that's the truth.

17 hours ago

Damn these folks went in on Jesse.

As far as the FB comments here. Bernard sounds like a true Jesse/Time fan who is

clearly disappointed like a lot of us who appreciate the new cd and the tours and were

hoping to get to see the original lineup play together. Jesse is a grown man and can do

what he wants but it's the manner in which he handled it that wasn't professional and i

am a bigger Jesse fan than Time fan but i don't have a problem with Jesse/Time fans

expressing their disappointment but just not on Jesse's FB page.

Have a little more respect than that.

[Edited 2/9/12 14:22pm]

Exactly.

And since he now has a gig that is more to his liking, why keep stirring the pot by posting snarky swipes instead of putting it behind him and moving on?

The Original se7ven gave the fans what they wanted, an album that took fans back to 1981. Jesse has been evolving over the years. if you listened to his last album he was sounding like D'angelo so it is natural he would join his band. the fanatics and jesse need to just let it go

mltijchr said:

right or wrong, once a group (or singer) becomes known for a certain style of music

& if they don't branch out or challenge their core audience while they're still very popular

then that group - like The Time - will likely become painted into that certain.. style of music.

I think that is a huge reason why Prince did the about face with atwiad right after purple rain

BlaqueKnight said:

funksterr said:

By charity I meant work. I meant gigs. I meant studio oppurtunities through Flyte Tyme which included the ability to raise his profile significantly through the Chaka Kahn 'Funk This' album which won a Grammy. I meant they allowed him to participate in projects he otherwise would not have had access to. They could have called any guitar player in, but they called him. And now look at how he's screwed them. They are stucj with an album they can't promote and bills for it's promotion. What a pal, Jesse turned out to be.

He could have played with D'Angelo, or anyone else he wanted to without quitting the band. They all work heavily outside of O7. Hell, Jesse is the backup guitar player for D'Angelo so it's not like he can't miss gigs with D. Oh yeah, that's right he's already missed some shows. IMO, Jesse owed Flyte Tyme and O7, far too much to turn his back on the project, even if he wasn't getting everything he wanted. He owed the fans, who supported him and that project, better than that too.

[Edited 2/10/12 11:19am]

Well, according to him, they didn't have any gigs. That was part of the problem.

So he could:

a. sit around and twidle his thumbs basking in gracious gratitude of J&L for allowing him to record...

or

Go out and make some money and feed his kids.

I guess they can eat some of that gratitude.

Hey, anybody know how to make a gratitude sammich?

Baloney. He didn't have to quit O7 to work some shows with D'Angelo until Jam could get the tour situation worked out. Jellybean didn't quit to work with FDeluxe did he? Morris actually disbanded MD and The Time for O7, then got them back together for a few dates until the O7 tour could be worked out.

Agreed with funksterr.

The D'Angelo situation has nothing to do with Jesse leaving the O7 in the cold. Easily could have done both, as many of the other bandmembers are.

Okay some things I'm not understanding about this thread. Why are people actually suggesting what gigs Jesse should have taken and which band he should be playing with (or both)? People don't know what he has going on in his life to even begin to comment on what gigs he should had taken or whether he should be able to handle multiple gigs at once. Last I checked, this man is a grown adult who is more than capable of playing with whomever he likes. So what if he quit the O7 (more like the O3 these days)? Don't people quit things every day for their own personal reasons? It's really none of our business why he quit and started playing with D's band. Who gives a fuck? As long as the man is doing what he enjoys doing and making his money, I could care less. If him playing in D's band makes him a more happier musician, then more power to him. Just my

[Edited 2/13/12 11:39am]

Because they think these artists belong to Prince. They don't think of them as musicians; they think of them as "Prince musicians" and as such, they should only do what Prince allowsw them to.

You know folks is crazy 'round here.

BlaqueKnight said:

Because they think these artists belong to Prince. They don't think of them as musicians; they think of them as "Prince musicians" and as such, they should only do what Prince allowsw them to.

You know folks is crazy 'round here.

Yeah I know, just another day on the org.

missfee said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Because they think these artists belong to Prince. They don't think of them as musicians; they think of them as "Prince musicians" and as such, they should only do what Prince allowsw them to.

You know folks is crazy 'round here.

Yeah I know, just another day on the org.

No, it's not that. I think people are saying why did he have to quit O7 to have to be D'Angelo's backup guitarist? If O7 had nothing planned, performance-wise, then why not just play with D'Angelo? Why quit O7 altogether? Jellybean's playing in 3 bands and probably doing even some mo' shit, and he didn't say he wasn't going to play with the fellas anymore.

This is what I think people are saying, and it's a good question.

BlaqueKnight said:

Because they think these artists belong to Prince. They don't think of them as musicians; they think of them as "Prince musicians" and as such, they should only do what Prince allowsw them to.

You know folks is crazy 'round here.

Actually BK i've discovered it's some of the Nelson Rogers fanatics that are siding

with Jesse because at least for now it puts to rest the 07ven/Time - Nelson Rogers

rivalry to bed.

phunkdaddy said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Because they think these artists belong to Prince. They don't think of them as musicians; they think of them as "Prince musicians" and as such, they should only do what Prince allowsw them to.

You know folks is crazy 'round here.

Actually BK i've discovered it's some of the Nelson Rogers fanatics that are siding

with Jesse because at least for now it puts to rest the 07ven/Time - Nelson Rogers

rivalry to bed.

Ah-ha!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

missfee said:

Yeah I know, just another day on the org.

No, it's not that. I think people are saying why did he have to quit O7 to have to be D'Angelo's backup guitarist? If O7 had nothing planned, performance-wise, then why not just play with D'Angelo? Why quit O7 altogether? Jellybean's playing in 3 bands and probably doing even some mo' shit, and he didn't say he wasn't going to play with the fellas anymore.

This is what I think people are saying, and it's a good question.

I understand what people are saying, but as I've said before, it's his choice who he wants to play with and who he doesn't want to play with. People can about why he did this or that, at the end of the day, it's JESSE'S CHOICE and nobody else's. Folks are just wasting their breath (or their keystrokes). Just sayin'.

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missfee said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

No, it's not that. I think people are saying why did he have to quit O7 to have to be D'Angelo's backup guitarist? If O7 had nothing planned, performance-wise, then why not just play with D'Angelo? Why quit O7 altogether? Jellybean's playing in 3 bands and probably doing even some mo' shit, and he didn't say he wasn't going to play with the fellas anymore.

This is what I think people are saying, and it's a good question.

I understand what people are saying, but as I've said before, it's his choice who he wants to play with and who he doesn't want to play with. People can about why he did this or that, at the end of the day, it's JESSE'S CHOICE and nobody else's. Folks are just wasting their breath (or their keystrokes). Just sayin'.

[Edited 2/13/12 16:13pm]

Well wouldn't that be the standard answer on any fansite anywhere? Or better yet, any discussion on any matter that does not relate directly to you and your imediate family. This is not mandatory participation but a lot of us enjoy sitting around the ole' campfire.