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Good or Bad? Prince's Influence on the "Protege" Artists Listening to the fDeluxe and Original 7 albums prompted this thought: How would Prince's protege artists have done without Prince's overwhelming input? Just to set parameters, I'm not including artists who with established careers before Prince's input (e.g. George Clinton, Mavis Staples, etc.), also I'm subjectively defining "success" by the pre-internet & pre-iTunes standards of album sales, mainstream radio play and media visibility -- again very subjective. That said here's my humble assessment...
Artists who wouldn't have done any better regardless of Prince's help: Good Question T.C. Ellis
Artists with no chance without Prince's help: Vanity 6 Apollonia 6
Artists that could have done better with less Prince control (for example maybe Prince limits himself to only writing some of the songs or only acting as producer -- but has no involvement in career/business/image makeover: Sheila E. Jill Jones
Artists who may have been much more successful with minimal Prince involvement: The Time Mazarati The Family
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In regards to the time,I totally agree they needed direction initially as far as studio/songwriting was cocerned. Prince was obvioulsy excellent in that regard. However, by the time "what time is it" came around, I think Prince could have loosened the reigns a little. It was his direct actions (kicking the band off of the big city 1999 dates/firing Jimmy and terry/ refusuing to let morris write for evelyn champaigne king etc) that led to the members disillusionment, thus ruining what could have been a much bigger band. [Edited 1/25/12 16:18pm] Most things that I worry about, never happen anyway | |
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Other than being signed to PP, Good Question had no input from Prince musically. | |
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Artists who needed help to release a new album & remakes whilst appealing to a younger audience by Andy Allo: prince Peace in the House of Prince. | |
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Thanks for the insight from everyone -- obviously I was wrong in assuming Prince's role in the develpment of TC Ellis & Good Question, I also didn't realize acts were being assigned to Paisley without Prince's knowlege...
As for Mazarati even though Mark "discovered" them I thought Prince's fingers were all over this project considering their pre-Prince look and sound.
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I think Vanity would've still had a career-she is just a beautiful lady, but the rest of them would not have made it.Sheila is an exception cuz her father is famous so she would have made it even without Prince. | |
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They certainly "borrowed" the neo-romantic look Prince had devised for himself (PR era) and Sheila, and of course they sound MPLS, but I'm not sure whether it was Prince's will or simply the fact that, being part of a movement, they adopted the movements' look and sound. What we know about the music itself is what I told you, though. This is factual. I'd be curious to know about their "pre-Prince look and sound", as I thought Mark had created the band from scratch and that, therefore, there was no "pre-Prince" Mazarati. Do you know where I could find any archive online regarding this?
For the record, they recorded a second album in 1989, which knew only a very limited release by Motown in Canada, and was once again produced by BrownMark among a few other producers. Prince was far away from it, but nonetheless the band still sounded the same, just as any other ex-Prince associate did back then.
If the story regarding Good Question is true, it was the only time an artist was signed on PP without Prince being consulted about it. Another funny example was Jacob Armen's album, released on NPG Records in 1994... without Prince knowing about it! He'd sent the masters to Edel alongside other records he wanted to release, such as Madhouse's 24, but as nothing happened with all these projects, the guys at Edel decided to print a limited (1000 copies) edition of Armen's record, just so it'd become a valuable collectible that they could resell on the collector's market later They did it with a few Mayte singles that prince had sent them as well, but wouldn't instruct them to release, but unfortunately they didn't dare to do it with 24 (though eventually, everything they had was sold to bootleggers instead).
Generally, Prince had little interest in Paisley Park releases save his own side-projects: it was a vanity label and no one really ever worked on promoting the projects. Prince would usually sign artists he liked or believed in but save offering a song or 2 for the principle, he hardly ever was involved at any level. Albums that were done without him being much involved (if at all) are Mazarati, Taja Sevelle, Dale's Riot In English, the 2 George Clinton albums, Eric Leeds' Things Left Unsaid, T.C. Ellis' True Confessions, Good Question, Tony LeMans, Three O' Clock's Vermillion and the 2 Kahoru Kohiruimaki albums. Prince also stayed outside most of the production process for Mavis Staples' The Voice: he basically gave his own demos to Ricky Peterson who rerecorded most of it, and Mavis finished the album with independant producers. As for Pandemonium and Ingrid Chavez' album, these are 2 projects Prince was originally involved a lot it, but he just backed off and lost interest in them when WB expressed the desire to let the artists involved do it their way. He also allowed Sheila E. to record half of her third album on her own, without interfering, but this was a short-lived freedom since he wanted to control the 4th album, and that motivated Sheila to fly away. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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It is true indeed that prince's attitude was highly discouraging for the musicians involved, and that most of them left because of it (including Jill and Sheila, though a few years later). A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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there's the circulating boot with early jams
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Sounds like one bitter MF to me. Prince 'ill bitch slap his punk ass down.
Go toss some salad muscle head holding something together that is falling apart | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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TThanks 4 sharing A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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He sounds quite bitter indeed lol A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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you're welcome | |
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