FormerlyKnownAs said:

It looks like it's already happening:

"Morris Day and The Time" are playing a New Year's Eve show in Scottsdale, Arizona... with special guest... Sheena Easton!

Or it was already in the cards anyway?

Amazing!

Back in October the Original 7ven were "doing the damn thing to death!"

In December the Original 7ven were "doing this as a thank you to the long awaiting fans."

There were several orgers doing better promotion for this CD than the band themselves and they blasted anyone who has a negative thought about the CD or the band. Now it's being spun into that this "debacle" was all it was meant to be in the first place. Make up your minds. Jesse is speaking his mind freely on Facebook and the other 6 can't seem to be bothered to address whatever is going on for the fans benefit. Call it what it is, a mess! People felt genuinely invested in this reunion and now they feel disenfranchised by the current situation. The O7 need to issue some statement and either move forward or move on. Y'all deserve that much for the fierce defense y'all gave Condensate.

HonestMan13 said:

Amazing!

Back in October the Original 7ven were "doing the damn thing to death!"

In December the Original 7ven were "doing this as a thank you to the long awaiting fans."

There were several orgers doing better promotion for this CD than the band themselves and they blasted anyone who has a negative thought about the CD or the band. Now it's being spun into that this "debacle" was all it was meant to be in the first place. Make up your minds. Jesse is speaking his mind freely on Facebook and the other 6 can't seem to be bothered to address whatever is going on for the fans benefit. Call it what it is, a mess! People felt genuinely invested in this reunion and now they feel disenfranchised by the current situation. The O7 need to issue some statement and either move forward or move on. Y'all deserve that much for the fierce defense y'all gave Condensate.

To me,it's not really that serious.The way I look at it....they gave us a brilliant CD.If anything else happens,such as a tour,that's just icing on the cake.But I'm not gonna kill somebody if they decide not to tour...lol...this kinda stuff happens all the time with longtime bands.Egos clash,they have artistic differences,members get replaced,etc.It's all part of the game.

^^ They ain't gonna say shit.

Timmy84 said:

^^ They ain't gonna say shit.

and that's fine with me life goes on.

HonestMan13 said:

There were several orgers doing better promotion for this CD than the band themselves and they blasted anyone who has a negative thought about the CD or the band.

Technically, it's the promo department of a record company job to pimp a record, not the band per se. If not, what's the point of getting a record deal? The band could have printed up some CDs themselves and sold them out of their car trunk or at shows. Steely Dan was a studio band who avoided doing concerts in the 1970's, and they sold pretty well, because their label was doing their job. One of the reasons the Jackson 5 left Motown was because the label stopped doing much promotion on their later records, but still charged the group for recording them.

stillwaiting said:

Really well-written...I don't usually comment on a lot of the posts here with kudos, but great post...since I am never one to agree 100%...here is where I don't agree:

You said: "They have been working together in some form (either live or in the studio) for a long time."

Uh, a few shows, The Grammys, and making Condensate is not really the Band being together. Jimmy Jam made the nuts and bolts of 75% the entire album with little input from the rest of the band. Jesse was away from the band most of the time, and made Verbal Penetration, and played a few solo gigs. I doubt the entire 7 were in the same room more than 100 days in the last 5 years combined. Morris has played several shows with the "Part Time."

Thanx for the props. I would slightly disagree because there were negotiations, meetings, etc. that took place as well as lawyers doing contracts, scheduling shows, recording dates, writing, etc. that takes months to coordinate. That doesn't include rehearsals, demos, press, and other planning. That is what I meant by stating that they have been in a 'band' for several years in some form. Considering the fact that their first 2 albums were done with minimal input from the entire band, I think it would be almost impossible to judge how long they've been a 'band' strictly on how many studio dates they had together. I would also use the example of Jellybean Johnson in this. He has spent the last several years as a member of several bands: MD and The Time, Fdeluxe, etc. and I'd consider him a full member of each of them. It is possible to belong to more than one band at the same time, and I think that considering all of the legal wrangling, recording, press, rehearsals, etc. that Jesse was a member of The Time/O7 on top of any additional work he was doing on his own.

Again thanx for the props for post.

ficktyt said:

Seems like they put their heart in making the album, but not promoting it. They should havewaited to release it until they were ready to tour. By the time they start touring the album will be old, even if it was successful.

Even though the album is very good, no promotion and touring means little sales.

Let's face it, as much as we love them and would like to see them perform live, they couldn't even sell out a small arena in their home town and I am sure LA wasn't sold out either. Other than maybe Detroit and NYC, they would probably have a really hard time breaking even, let alone making money on a real tour.

Having said that, I still hope they will do a few more shows together for the Detroit supporters all these years and New York too.

since this album has come out i haven't seen one review or any mention in Entertainment weekly or Rolling stone which is a fucking shame

even when they were on leno there really wasn't much promotion of their appearance

L4OATheOriginal said:

ficktyt said:

Seems like they put their heart in making the album, but not promoting it. They should havewaited to release it until they were ready to tour. By the time they start touring the album will be old, even if it was successful.

Even though the album is very good, no promotion and touring means little sales.

Let's face it, as much as we love them and would like to see them perform live, they couldn't even sell out a small arena in their home town and I am sure LA wasn't sold out either. Other than maybe Detroit and NYC, they would probably have a really hard time breaking even, let alone making money on a real tour.

Having said that, I still hope they will do a few more shows together for the Detroit supporters all these years and New York too.

since this album has come out i haven't seen one review or any mention in Entertainment weekly or Rolling stone which is a fucking shame

even when they were on leno there really wasn't much promotion of their appearance

Yeah, I ain't really seen shit either. And whatever happened to that Centric take-over weekend a week or two ago? Unfortunately, I don't have Centric. Was the entire band there, presenting videos and whatnot? What videos did they show? Did they even say shit about the "new" album?

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

since this album has come out i haven't seen one review or any mention in Entertainment weekly or Rolling stone which is a fucking shame

even when they were on leno there really wasn't much promotion of their appearance

Yeah, I ain't really seen shit either. And whatever happened to that Centric take-over weekend a week or two ago? Unfortunately, I don't have Centric. Was the entire band there, presenting videos and whatnot? What videos did they show? Did they even say shit about the "new" album?

I didn't watch it but from what I've seen from Centric, I doubt it was really a "takeover". Plus it wasn't like Time had hits like Janet Jackson or Michael or Mary J. where they ran their 50 million videos all day. The Time only had four. Plus they probably showed the special like at certain times but other than that, eh...

Timmy84 said:

Then he could've done folks a favor and say "I'm not down" with the reunion... just saying.

That's all I'm sayin bro...Maddy raises some good points but at the end of the day the question remains that he pretty much should have known all of this already and spared us the diva routine. Neither the situation nor the people involved are new to him and what about the other people who have invested so much time and effort in this project??? Sure it's his life but what about the people he gave his word to?

I should be over this by now but I aint! I guess I had my heart set on this so peeps are just gonna have to put up with my whining because I ain't gonna stop.

I mean, it's notable that a bunch of dudes in their 50s who haven't released music in 20 years have put out something this solid. The damn thing actually had a respectable debut on the charts and given the circumstances and the state of the industry, I don't think most of us were harboring any unrealistic expectations.

Maddy suggests that they've been playing together for the better part of four years, but there wasn't a cd release or an actual tour with all 7 of them going around the country to various cities or anything. This really was a bona-fide, officially announced reunion and for Mr. "I'm too deep for this" to suddenly remember that he's above it all and would rather be alone is a bit much to swallow...excuse me?

Now if his gripe is that they should be playing more new music and not rely so heavily on the older material then I'm with him on that. But he has to remember that 20 years and a name change later they need to spend some time re-establishing their brand and getting folks re-aquainted with them before they go off into uncharted waters. This project was well worth putting in the effort necessary for things to come together and Jesse should have been able to see this project through even if he doesn't want to commit the rest of his life to the O7.

I think the world of Jesse as an artist but at his age neither his expectations nor his conduct should be so immature. I hope you guys are right and some common sense kicks in here...if not, then I beg the fellas to move on without him because I'd hate to see something this good fizzle out because of one individual....Jesse is making a mistake that I hate to see everybody else have to pay for.

rdhull said:

I heard that Jesse was upset that he didn't get to say the "How's the family?" line in Purple Rain.

You's. A. FOOL!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

since this album has come out i haven't seen one review or any mention in Entertainment weekly or Rolling stone which is a fucking shame

even when they were on leno there really wasn't much promotion of their appearance

Yeah, I ain't really seen shit either. And whatever happened to that Centric take-over weekend a week or two ago? Unfortunately, I don't have Centric. Was the entire band there, presenting videos and whatnot? What videos did they show? Did they even say shit about the "new" album?

the only thing they did was a video review with the band, they showed TWO bits of janet during this too which had me scratching my head. nothing from pandemonium and they showed parts of trending. the soul train performance of get it up and cool. then it was nothing but a in living color maraton until 11 o'clock where they showed a new interview with them tho it did include parts from the documentary dvd that weren't in it.

that was it for the "takeover" there was nothing on sunday at all

SoulAlive said:

MickyDolenz said:

They haven't really been a really big hit making machine since the 1990's. They may have an occasional hit now. But is Jesse (or the O7) really concerned about having a hit or having huge sales? If that was the case they could have done the same thing like Carlos Santana, Ron Isley, Tony Bennett, or Charlie Wilson did. The Time never really had big sales. They only crossed over due the Purple Rain movie, and that wasn't the original members. That's why they're mostly known for The Bird & Jungle Love, even though Jerk Out charted higher on the pop chart than those songs. Funk acts in general were never mainstream nor had crossover success, except for a few exceptions.

Exactly.No funk band from the 80s could release a 'new' CD in 2011 and have major success with it.I don't think anyone connected to this project expected it to sell like Thriller.This project was more like a 'thank you' to the fans who had been waiting all these years for a new album.

I am not saying having major chart success. but something reflective if thier sales from the 80s. ice cream castle sold platinum and condensate will not even sell 20k total that doesnt bold well for a tour and the writting was on the wall and jesse left becoz he didnt see the money coming in and he could make more money elsewhere

They hadn't released an album in 21 years. No way was they ever gonna repeat that success they had earlier... they ain't got it like Sade or someone like that.

SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:

^^ They ain't gonna say shit.

and that's fine with me life goes on.

And some people can't seem to grasp that Soul.

I guess they think we spend sleepness nights and go to our

jobs worrying about whether Jesse/O7ven will reunite or

whether Prince will release another album full of material

like Cinnamon Girl or Planet Earth.

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

and that's fine with me life goes on.

And some people can't seem to grasp that Soul.

I guess they think we spend sleepness nights and go to our

jobs worrying about whether Jesse/O7ven will reunite or

whether Prince will release another album full of material

like Cinnamon Girl or Planet Earth.

FormerlyKnownAs said:

It looks like it's already happening:

"Morris Day and The Time" are playing a New Year's Eve show in Scottsdale, Arizona... with special guest... Sheena Easton!

A suitable replacement for Jesse, her guitar skills are legendary.

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

and that's fine with me life goes on.

And some people can't seem to grasp that Soul.

I guess they think we spend sleepness nights and go to our

jobs worrying about whether Jesse/O7ven will reunite or

whether Prince will release another album full of material

like Cinnamon Girl or Planet Earth.

This kinda stuff happens with nearly every band.Look at Fleetwood Mac.One of their main members (Christine McVie) hasn't toured with them in years,and yet they keep going.The Eagles had similiar issues with one of their members.It's all part of the game.Morris and the guys will be just fine.

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Yeah, I ain't really seen shit either. And whatever happened to that Centric take-over weekend a week or two ago? Unfortunately, I don't have Centric. Was the entire band there, presenting videos and whatnot? What videos did they show? Did they even say shit about the "new" album?

the only thing they did was a video review with the band, they showed TWO bits of janet during this too which had me scratching my head. nothing from pandemonium and they showed parts of trending. the soul train performance of get it up and cool. then it was nothing but a in living color maraton until 11 o'clock where they showed a new interview with them tho it did include parts from the documentary dvd that weren't in it.

that was it for the "takeover" there was nothing on sunday at all

That's just fuckin' pitiful. And since Jesse has left, I doubt they'll be doing any other TV appearances for the next few weeks. It'd be cool if they got Micki Free in there, but if not, definitely Tori Ruffin. He's been holding it down in Jesse's absence this entire time anyway.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

the only thing they did was a video review with the band, they showed TWO bits of janet during this too which had me scratching my head. nothing from pandemonium and they showed parts of trending. the soul train performance of get it up and cool. then it was nothing but a in living color maraton until 11 o'clock where they showed a new interview with them tho it did include parts from the documentary dvd that weren't in it.

that was it for the "takeover" there was nothing on sunday at all

That's just fuckin' pitiful. And since Jesse has left, I doubt they'll be doing any other TV appearances for the next few weeks. It'd be cool if they got Micki Free in there, but if not, definitely Tori Ruffin. He's been holding it down in Jesse's absence this entire time anyway.

yeah tori is wicked..oops i meant Sick

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

And some people can't seem to grasp that Soul.

I guess they think we spend sleepness nights and go to our

jobs worrying about whether Jesse/O7ven will reunite or

whether Prince will release another album full of material

like Cinnamon Girl or Planet Earth.

This kinda stuff happens with nearly every band.

Not after they've just had a publicly displayed circle jerk about how they have loved all members and been waiting 21 years to do the project and are "rearing ta goooo!"

rdhull said:

SoulAlive said:

This kinda stuff happens with nearly every band.

Not after they've just had a publicly displayed circle jerk about how they have loved all members and been waiting 21 years to do the project and are "rearing ta goooo!"

They ain't the first band to reunite and say that but at least those bands carry on. No not the Time.

I think it's bull that he quits. First Prince does not allow them to use the name, then jesse ensures that the band can't live up to the new name. Pretty silly and a diservice to fans, especially after putting out a great album. You go into a creative setting knowing there are going to be creative differnces. Don't know the brother personally and I love his talent, but I have heard jesse describes as having a massive ego.

He could have stuck with the album for one year,was`nt it his suggestion to add more songs on the album for the fans, if he thougth that much of us could`nt he have rid`n this thing out,I mean just stick in their for the life spand of the album.The album is perfect!!!Come back Jesse! work it out man.

bobbyperu said:

I guess Jesse's tragedy is that he is not the kind of guy to be in a band, but being a good guitarist is not enough to make it as a solo act. A bit like Keith Richards. Who else but Stones fans are going to buy Keef's solo albums? In other words, Jesse needs a Mick Jagger and Morris is not going to play that role. MadhouseMan, you were from Uptown magazine, right? You once quoted Owen Husney saying that this was the effect Prince had on people: he made them believe they could be superstars just like him. But not everybody has it in him to be a star. So after all these years, The Time are still under Prince's spell... Prince actually broke more carreers than he made. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame him for it. It's just the way he is. Give him a finger and he will take your whole hand. Next victim Andy Allo...

Yes I was on the staff for UPTOWN and I think I remember Owen saying that (I didn't conduct that interview). It makes sense. I think that Prince enjoys being the starmaker and that they need him. You rarely see him writing for the most popular artists. Either they are artists that he wants to build or artists that are on the decline that he wants to build back up. I think he wants to be responsible for the success of those he works with. That is just my take on this, but that is a little off the topic anyway! lol

Good point about Jesse needing a Mick. Then again, Mick needed his Keith as well. Have you ever listened to a Mick solo album? There is a reason that few people have!

Jesse has his own songs that were popular. He could easily join an old school tour if he wanted to. Though going by his recent FB posts it doesn't seem like he wants to live in the past.

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madhouseman said:

bobbyperu said:

I guess Jesse's tragedy is that he is not the kind of guy to be in a band, but being a good guitarist is not enough to make it as a solo act. A bit like Keith Richards. Who else but Stones fans are going to buy Keef's solo albums? In other words, Jesse needs a Mick Jagger and Morris is not going to play that role. MadhouseMan, you were from Uptown magazine, right? You once quoted Owen Husney saying that this was the effect Prince had on people: he made them believe they could be superstars just like him. But not everybody has it in him to be a star. So after all these years, The Time are still under Prince's spell... Prince actually broke more carreers than he made. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame him for it. It's just the way he is. Give him a finger and he will take your whole hand. Next victim Andy Allo...

Yes I was on the staff for UPTOWN and I think I remember Owen saying that (I didn't conduct that interview). It makes sense. I think that Prince enjoys being the starmaker and that they need him. You rarely see him writing for the most popular artists. Either they are artists that he wants to build or artists that are on the decline that he wants to build back up. I think he wants to be responsible for the success of those he works with. That is just my take on this, but that is a little off the topic anyway! lol

Good point about Jesse needing a Mick. Then again, Mick needed his Keith as well. Have you ever listened to a Mick solo album? There is a reason that few people have!

I totally agree that Prince enjoys playing the role as star maker. In fact according to Wikipedia he was influenced by a film called the star maker before he signed the time. Jesse's Verbal Penetration was a great disc, particularly the first disc. However, I still think Jesse is better in the context of a band. The Time had it all, a charismatic and comedic front man, a hendrix influenced lead guitarist, two super producers, an air tight band as a whole. I was really looking forward to seeing all the original members as a collective. Jesse had a few hits on the R&B charts, but he never matched the popularity of either The Time and sure as hell not Prince on his own. I think he is in denial about that. He really should have showcased his guitar playing on those 80's albums, everybdy knows that. I know I am preaching to the choir here.