I don't think either camp has thrown fuel on that fire as much as the fans have. The 'rivalry' was from the 80's and dead ages ago. The idea that 'Condensate' is going to 'light a fire under Prince's ass' is also a fan driven concept. I think everyone (Prince & The O7) just want to make music. As for the name change no one has ever said exactly why Prince wouldn't let them (or Fdeluxe) use the names, so even that is speculation from the fanbase. I'm just glad they're all making music and doing what they love to do.

HonestMan13 said:

Fury said:

HonestMan13 said:

I don't think either camp has thrown fuel on that fire as much as the fans have. The 'rivalry' was from the 80's and dead ages ago. The idea that 'Condensate' is going to 'light a fire under Prince's ass' is also a fan driven concept. I think everyone (Prince & The O7) just want to make music. As for the name change no one has ever said exactly why Prince wouldn't let them (or Fdeluxe) use the names, so even that is speculation from the fanbase. I'm just glad they're all making music and doing what they love to do.

I agree. Im not sure why anyone would think there was this horrible rift-- if Prince wanted to be an asshole they would be playing the condensate album and whatever songs Prince didn't write. Someone in Prince's legal camp probably made the decision and if 07 were professionals, they would have abided by it without a whole bunch of whining.

Although blown out of proportion I think your assumption about SOME things are without any precendent with Princes general behaviour. It is pretty CLEAR Prince was willing to go to court over the names and the bands didn't want their projects to be held up over someones jerkiness. I believe if Prince COULD prevent the two bands from playing music that he contributed to he would have - if nothing else back when they probably had a super rift (like when Morris left and started his solo career- and still performed Time songs live). Consider that these songs have been played a LOT live and recorde live in some cases by the two groups for release...that speaks volumes to the liklihood that they are legaly able to play them and Prince can't do anything about it. I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty obvious. So is it blown out of proportion by fans? Probably so. Would I like Prince to be driven to put out something I consider worthy of his musical skills after hearing what these two bands did ...and imo blew his recent output out of the water?? ?? Of COURSE...

So now anytime the O7 is asked any question regarding their interactions with Prince they are whining, holding a grudge and unprofessional? GTFOOHWTBS!

Where is all of this nonsense coming from except the fevered imagination of bored fams?

It's all well and good to make observations but it's better when those opinions are fact based. To their credit I have not seen any member of the O7 taking random digs at P on FB or message boards nor have they elaborated on their relationship with him except when ASKED to do so in interviews.

So either post some links that show us this supposed "grudge" or stop manufacturing drama just for the hell of it.

babynoz said:

Fury said:

babynoz said:

So now anytime the O7 is asked any question regarding their interactions with Prince they are whining, holding a grudge and unprofessional? GTFOOHWTBS!

Where is all of this nonsense coming from except the fevered imagination of bored fams?

It's all well and good to make observations but it's better when those opinions are fact based. To their credit I have not seen any member of the O7 taking random digs at P on FB or message boards nor have they elaborated on their relationship with him except when ASKED to do so in interviews.

So either post some links that show us this supposed "grudge" or stop manufacturing drama just for the hell of it.

Obviously they wanted their displeasure to be noted or it wouldn't be in the DVD Whether they put it out there because they were asked in an interview or if they just put it out there on their own, it really doesn't Matter. Sometimes you have just learn to say No comment.

And not one word of what they said rises to the level of whining, holding a grudge or unprofessionalism...that is your characterization.

How does simply describing displeasure toward unfavorable events translate to having a grudge, whining or being unprofessional? From what I have seen it's people like you that keep trying to turn this into some kind of drama.

They are absolutely under no obligation to say "no comment" when questioned about events that occurred in their lives regardless of how you would like to spin it, so stop pretending that they are pushing some grudge driven agenda when they have clearly indicated just the opposite. They have explained in detail several times why they decided it wasn't in their best interest to pursue that particular course.

If they were going around posting trash talk on FB, twitter, TMZ or the .org then you might have a point.

Fury said:

babynoz said:

So now anytime the O7 is asked any question regarding their interactions with Prince they are whining, holding a grudge and unprofessional? GTFOOHWTBS!

Where is all of this nonsense coming from except the fevered imagination of bored fams?

It's all well and good to make observations but it's better when those opinions are fact based. To their credit I have not seen any member of the O7 taking random digs at P on FB or message boards nor have they elaborated on their relationship with him except when ASKED to do so in interviews.

So either post some links that show us this supposed "grudge" or stop manufacturing drama just for the hell of it.

Obviously they wanted their displeasure to be noted or it wouldn't be in the DVD Whether they put it out there because they were asked in an interview or if they just put it out there on their own, it really doesn't Matter. Sometimes you have just learn to say No comment.

I totally agree. "No Comment" works every time.

it amazes me how they all talk about prince in innerviews but he never talk about any of them.they end up looking stupid cuz when he want them back in the fold they are always there so if he so bad y do they always go back and look 4 reunions?

cbarnes3121 said:

it amazes me how they all talk about prince in innerviews but he never talk about any of them.they end up looking stupid cuz when he want them back in the fold they are always there so if he so bad y do they always go back and look 4 reunions?

What's an innerview?

I don't think it's such an amazing thing to answer a question when asked. To this day, Prince still gets asked about WB/ the name change and other ancient history because all of these people keep asking the same questions over and over.

It's pretty much a given that all of these journalist are going to ask associated artists about Prince all the time but you seldom hear anyone ask Prince about any of them so why would he talk about them?

I suppose that folks like Morris, Wendy or Sheila for example, continue to work with Prince because the truth is they are NOT holding any grudges regardless of what fams want to imagine for their own entertainment. Furthermore, if there was so much bad blood between them I doubt Prince would even ask them back in the first place.

cbarnes3121 said:

it amazes me how they all talk about prince in innerviews but he never talk about any of them.they end up looking stupid cuz when he want them back in the fold they are always there so if he so bad y do they always go back and look 4 reunions?

Give a rest.

Fury said:

Cant help but wonder if the whole thing was partially fabricated by both camps to stir up interest.maybe both camps knew, based on various factors, that the majority of the time's original fan base is 35-60 years old and probably haven't exactly been waiting around for the guys to get the band back together. Factor in the Morris day and the time angle that kinda undercut the pent up demand fans might have had. So maybe they needed some sizzle to spark interest. Maybe?

the reel beef between prince and morris day started over a dry cleaners....

the flocked jacket morris wears on the what time is it? album was starting to look a bit shabby, so he asked prince if he could recommend a good place to get a sponge and press. prince sent morris to roxy cleaners on 80 8th st south as they did a fantastic job getting the stains out of his dirty minds panties. to cut a long story short they dry cleaned the jacket, instead of the sponge and press morris requested - spoiling the flocking in the process.

morris went mad and rag dolled prince. prince bitch slapped morris back before vanity stepped in and pulled the boys apart.

morris had to resign himself to wearing the tiger stripe number but it was a toothless number - which prevented him from fighting back when prince sacked jam & lewis.

that as the old saying goes is showbusiness

NO it's not a publicity stunt...losing their name is quite a serious thing to happen...it kills sales...and means most of the general public don't know who the hell they are...which is a pity as its a killer album...

It's Prince's way of sabotaging the project and saying 'you're nothing without me, you are my creation and you remain in the past now'.. and by disallowing them to use the name he is trying to close them down or at least dissassociate himself with them...

Just like as in the concerts on the 1999 tour, he sees them as a threat, a bit like Frankensteins monster...so he tries to control them and beat them into submission by exercising the only power he has over them....

If it was a stunt, i doubt you would have jesse giving him the finger on the album cover..

(No i'm not a hater, i just know his history!! )

[Edited 12/12/11 13:55pm]

Since the general public and media doesn't care about Prince nor The Original 7ven, how is it a pubicity stunt? Now if was was two rappers talking about each other or people from a reality show saying something, then that would get media attention.

MickyDolenz said:

Since the general public and media doesn't care about Prince nor The Original 7ven, how is it a pubicity stunt? Now if was was two rappers talking about each other or people from a reality show saying something, then that would get media attention.

That's quite an excellent way of looking at this 'situation'. Since a large amount of orgers have deemed Prince 'irrelevant' to the mainstream and the Original 7ven(under that name) aren't known to anyone but their hardcore fans, who would even know if there was any issue between them but the fans?

Most of the 'drama' on this site came from the DVD and the fanbase commentary that focused solely on the Prince related parts of the DVD. There's far more to the DVD than the Prince connection.

I don't think either camp has any real issues with each other and both are just out their doing what they need to do.

HonestMan13 said:

MickyDolenz said:

Since the general public and media doesn't care about Prince nor The Original 7ven, how is it a pubicity stunt? Now if was was two rappers talking about each other or people from a reality show saying something, then that would get media attention.

That's quite an excellent way of looking at this 'situation'. Since a large amount of orgers have deemed Prince 'irrelevant' to the mainstream and the Original 7ven(under that name) aren't known to anyone but their hardcore fans, who would even know if there was any issue between them but the fans?

Most of the 'drama' on this site came from the DVD and the fanbase commentary that focused solely on the Prince related parts of the DVD. There's far more to the DVD than the Prince connection.

I don't think either camp has any real issues with each other and both are just out their doing what they need to do.

The only time I heard Prince even mentioned lately in a mainstream way was when he made that comment about the internet being dead. Some people thought he had retired. There was some minor news about the Musicology CD givaway at concerts and it being tracked in Billboard. Before that it was the "The Artist" era and people making jokes about the symbol name.

The Time for the most part never really crossed over and was considered an R&B/funk band. Most of The Time's popularity was with the R&B audience. Alexander O' Neal had more pop success than The Time did.

MickyDolenz said:

HonestMan13 said:

That's quite an excellent way of looking at this 'situation'. Since a large amount of orgers have deemed Prince 'irrelevant' to the mainstream and the Original 7ven(under that name) aren't known to anyone but their hardcore fans, who would even know if there was any issue between them but the fans?

Most of the 'drama' on this site came from the DVD and the fanbase commentary that focused solely on the Prince related parts of the DVD. There's far more to the DVD than the Prince connection.

I don't think either camp has any real issues with each other and both are just out their doing what they need to do.

The only time I heard Prince even mentioned lately in a mainstream way was when he made that comment about the internet being dead. Some people thought he had retired. There was some minor news about the Musicology CD givaway at concerts and it being tracked in Billboard. Before that it was the "The Artist" era and people making jokes about the symbol name.

The Time for the most part never really crossed over and was considered an R&B/funk band. Most of The Time's popularity was with the R&B audience. Alexander O' Neal had more pop success than The Time did.

Tho I bet if you ask a person on the street- "Do you know who Alender O'Neal or The Time are?" They's more likley know The Time.

Zannaloaf said:

Tho I bet if you ask a person on the street- "Do you know who Alender O'Neal or The Time are?" They's more likley know The Time.

Depends on what country you're in. I've heard Alex was really big in the UK, even moreso than he was in the States.

MickyDolenz said:

Nah. Fans just love to bitch. Prince and the O7 are probably laughing at some of y'all lol

I maybe reaching here BUT

Has anyone thought that maybe just maybe Prince doesn't want them to use the names moreso because of flack from WB?

OR both of those names are too generic at this point. In the 80's a name was a name. Now Time mag could take issue and BAM Prince is hit with a law suit. As far the Family I can think of 3 groups with that name since they disbanded.

DecaturStone said:

I maybe reaching here BUT

Has anyone thought that maybe just maybe Prince doesn't want them to use the names moreso because of flack from WB?

OR both of those names are too generic at this point. In the 80's a name was a name. Now Time mag could take issue and BAM Prince is hit with a law suit. As far the Family I can think of 3 groups with that name since they disbanded.

there was even a band from minneapolis called THE FAMILY who pre-dated Tha Family...

the bottom line is it is all speculation. morris was performing on stage with prince as recent as 2008 so who knows and who really cares. the new album is dope and that is all i care about.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

NO it's not a publicity stunt...losing their name is quite a serious thing to happen...it kills sales...and means most of the general public don't know who the hell they are...which is a pity as its a killer album...

It's Prince's way of sabotaging the project and saying 'you're nothing without me, you are my creation and you remain in the past now'.. and by disallowing them to use the name he is trying to close them down or at least dissassociate himself with them...

Just like as in the concerts on the 1999 tour, he sees them as a threat, a bit like Frankensteins monster...so he tries to control them and beat them into submission by exercising the only power he has over them....

If it was a stunt, i doubt you would have jesse giving him the finger on the album cover..

(No i'm not a hater, i just know his history!! )

[Edited 12/12/11 13:55pm]

giving prince the finger? i think you'll find jesse is adjusting his shirt cuff. i'd love to hear your interpretations of the hand signs used by various members of cameo on their album covers...

one flew over the cuckoos nest...

Now if that ain't reaching, I don't know what is.

safetypin said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

NO it's not a publicity stunt...losing their name is quite a serious thing to happen...it kills sales...and means most of the general public don't know who the hell they are...which is a pity as its a killer album...

It's Prince's way of sabotaging the project and saying 'you're nothing without me, you are my creation and you remain in the past now'.. and by disallowing them to use the name he is trying to close them down or at least dissassociate himself with them...

Just like as in the concerts on the 1999 tour, he sees them as a threat, a bit like Frankensteins monster...so he tries to control them and beat them into submission by exercising the only power he has over them....

If it was a stunt, i doubt you would have jesse giving him the finger on the album cover..

(No i'm not a hater, i just know his history!! )

[Edited 12/12/11 13:55pm]

giving prince the finger? i think you'll find jesse is adjusting his shirt cuff. i'd love to hear your interpretations of the hand signs used by various members of cameo on their album covers...

one flew over the cuckoos nest...

Look very carefully....he is holding up his middle finger and is wearing a Purple shirt which looks a bit like a Paisley design... he of course couldn't make it too obvious...but to me that's screaming out as a message.

Jesse has a long history of speaking out and arguing with Prince...and it's naive to think he, and the other members weren't pissed off when he stopped them using 'The Time' moniker....

[Edited 12/14/11 14:46pm]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Look very carefully....he is holding up his middle finger and is wearing a Purple shirt which looks a bit like a Paisley design... he of course couldn't make it too obvious...but to me that's screaming out as a message.

If you look at the back cover of the Abbey Road album, there appears to be a image of a skull on the wall, which means Paul McCartney was decapitated in a car wreck and died. Also on the front, John is the reverend, Ringo is a pallbearer, and George is the gravedigger. If you look at the Volkswagon Beetle, the car says 28IF which would be the age Paul would be if he lived.

[Edited 12/14/11 16:17pm]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

safetypin said:

giving prince the finger? i think you'll find jesse is adjusting his shirt cuff. i'd love to hear your interpretations of the hand signs used by various members of cameo on their album covers...

one flew over the cuckoos nest...

Look very carefully....he is holding up his middle finger and is wearing a Purple shirt which looks a bit like a Paisley design... he of course couldn't make it too obvious...but to me that's screaming out as a message.

Jesse has a long history of speaking out and arguing with Prince...and it's naive to think he, and the other members weren't pissed off when he stopped them using 'The Time' moniker....

[Edited 12/14/11 14:46pm]

i'm not naive and unless you are on close personal terms with jesse, morris et al you have no idea how they feel towards prince and vice versa - the bottom line is i don't care and cannot believe i even bothered responding to a comment by someone like you....

^ Well if you're happier living in ignorance, go ahead....but any 'hardcore' Prince fan should know about that...it's documented in a few biographies...

[Edited 12/15/11 1:22am]

MickyDolenz said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Look very carefully....he is holding up his middle finger and is wearing a Purple shirt which looks a bit like a Paisley design... he of course couldn't make it too obvious...but to me that's screaming out as a message.

If you look at the back cover of the Abbey Road album, there appears to be a image of a skull on the wall, which means Paul McCartney was decapitated in a car wreck and died. Also on the front, John is the reverend, Ringo is a pallbearer, and George is the gravedigger. If you look at the Volkswagon Beetle, the car says 28IF which would be the age Paul would be if he lived.

[Edited 12/14/11 16:17pm]

Different situation, different argument....this doesn't prove or disprove whether Jesse was giving P the finger!!!

Instead of 'Condensate' they should have called it 'Remember The Time?'

That really would have got his goat and they would have got around not being able to using their name LOL...as it's just a song title!