HonestMan13 said:

EugeneKnight said:

^ Unbelievable. Surely you understand that if they have a smaller catalogue statistically they have LESS 'obscure' material to choose from? Perhaps not...

If you have 35 songs in your entire catalog and 17 of them are extremely popular and well known, what is to stop you from mixing the other 18 into your set randomly? Morris saw fit to mix some of his solo hits into the Time set. Why not the less played non single tracks from their albums?

Dude, seriously - ITS NOT YOUR SHOW. You didn't hear them do a couple of songs. SO WHAT. You are not The Time. You don't pick the songs they play and they are not playing solely for you. If you care that much then BOOK THEM AND MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THEM PLAYING THE GIG. If not, chill the hell out.

Every artist with more than two albums of material can easily have a hard time squeezing all of their songs in one gig. Time just won't allow for it. Its not that they CAN'T play the songs, its just that most artists who do a gig in a venue have a time limit. The Time plays mostly small venues and mid-sized venues.

Usually that means local opening act + 2nd or band's opening act + main act. That varies according to who's promoting but still, the main act doesn't have all night at mid-sized venues and depending on how much time the openers take or what time the venue has to stop serving alcohol, they sometimes even have to do a shorter set in club venues. Artists construct their set lists according to how much time they have, the crowd they are playing for, etc. And sometimes its simply about what they want to play. Maybe they don't like playing After High Scholl or Oneday...? It could be that simple. Its their show.

What I said abut people having too many choices is really ringing true.

[Edited 11/28/11 1:14am]

phunkdaddy said:

purplethunder3121 said:

It's not exactly subliminal, is it. bBt only Jessie knows who he's pointing the finger at.

It wouldn't surprise me if it is. Don't care one way or the other.

This has been Jessie's stick since Shockadelica. I think he loves fucking with

the media and Prince. I don't believe it's anything personal but that's Jessie.

Jessie says what's on his mind. I remember long before the Pandemonium reunion

Jessie was on the radio talking shit saying that the Time were gonna reunite and

if Prince tried to fuck it up he would kick Prince ass.

Jesse has never been afraid of Prince He has always said exactly what he feels.I remember a blistering interview from a late-1986 issue of Rock N' Soul magazine.During this period,there were all these rumors of the Time reuniting for a new album,tour and possible movie with Janet Jackson.He implied that Prince is scared to death of the reunion."No wonder you hear all that talk about him starting over with a new band",Johnson said.

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

It wouldn't surprise me if it is. Don't care one way or the other.

This has been Jessie's stick since Shockadelica. I think he loves fucking with

the media and Prince. I don't believe it's anything personal but that's Jessie.

Jessie says what's on his mind. I remember long before the Pandemonium reunion

Jessie was on the radio talking shit saying that the Time were gonna reunite and

if Prince tried to fuck it up he would kick Prince ass.

Jesse has never been afraid of Prince He has always said exactly what he feels.I remember a blistering interview from a late-1986 issue of Rock N' Soul magazine.During this period,there were all these rumors of the Time reuniting for a new album,tour and possible movie with Janet Jackson.He implied that Prince is scared to death of the reunion."No wonder you hear all that talk about him starting over with a new band",Johnson said.

Gotta love Jesse.

All of this 'associated artist' stuff is SUPER embarassing. Like really, you bunch of old black men, give it up and retire. Stop trying to ride your tiny little wave of tiny little fame from the 80s and stop making this old black man music.

For real.

Stop.

clovesandtea said:

All of this 'associated artist' stuff is SUPER embarassing. Like really, you bunch of old black men, give it up and retire. Stop trying to ride your tiny little wave of tiny little fame from the 80s and stop making this old black man music.

For real.

Stop.

Like Jesse Johnson pointed out in one of the recent interviews.....musicians never have to retire.They can continue to make music until they die.Who are you to tell them to "stop"? If you don't like what they do,move along! Step aside for those of us who appreciate their talents.

and your comment about them being "old black men" is ridiculous,considering that you're on a fansite devoted to another "old black man"

SoulAlive said:

and your comment about them being "old black men" is ridiculous,considering that you're on a fansite devoted to another "old black man"

@ the funkin' hypocrisy.

BlaqueKnight said:

HonestMan13 said:

If you have 35 songs in your entire catalog and 17 of them are extremely popular and well known, what is to stop you from mixing the other 18 into your set randomly? Morris saw fit to mix some of his solo hits into the Time set. Why not the less played non single tracks from their albums?

Dude, seriously - ITS NOT YOUR SHOW. You didn't hear them do a couple of songs. SO WHAT. You are not The Time. You don't pick the songs they play and they are not playing solely for you. If you care that much then BOOK THEM AND MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THEM PLAYING THE GIG. If not, chill the hell out.

Every artist with more than two albums of material can easily have a hard time squeezing all of their songs in one gig. Time just won't allow for it. Its not that they CAN'T play the songs, its just that most artists who do a gig in a venue have a time limit. The Time plays mostly small venues and mid-sized venues.

Usually that means local opening act + 2nd or band's opening act + main act. That varies according to who's promoting but still, the main act doesn't have all night at mid-sized venues and depending on how much time the openers take or what time the venue has to stop serving alcohol, they sometimes even have to do a shorter set in club venues. Artists construct their set lists according to how much time they have, the crowd they are playing for, etc. And sometimes its simply about what they want to play. Maybe they don't like playing After High Scholl or Oneday...? It could be that simple. Its their show.

What I said abut people having too many choices is really ringing true.

[Edited 11/28/11 1:14am]

I never said it was my show! I'm sorry if it's too much for me to expect a band with less than forty songs in their primary catalog(prior to Condensate) to have performed most of them in 30 years! L4OAtheoriginal goes on about Prince not playing obscure tracks and non hits and we've had this discussion a few times. The Time actually has the luxury of being indulgent with the setlist because after a 21 year hiatus they only have a hardcore fanbase. Also the non hit tracks are quite good and the audience would know them right off!

HonestMan13 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Dude, seriously - ITS NOT YOUR SHOW. You didn't hear them do a couple of songs. SO WHAT. You are not The Time. You don't pick the songs they play and they are not playing solely for you. If you care that much then BOOK THEM AND MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THEM PLAYING THE GIG. If not, chill the hell out.

Every artist with more than two albums of material can easily have a hard time squeezing all of their songs in one gig. Time just won't allow for it. Its not that they CAN'T play the songs, its just that most artists who do a gig in a venue have a time limit. The Time plays mostly small venues and mid-sized venues.

Usually that means local opening act + 2nd or band's opening act + main act. That varies according to who's promoting but still, the main act doesn't have all night at mid-sized venues and depending on how much time the openers take or what time the venue has to stop serving alcohol, they sometimes even have to do a shorter set in club venues. Artists construct their set lists according to how much time they have, the crowd they are playing for, etc. And sometimes its simply about what they want to play. Maybe they don't like playing After High Scholl or Oneday...? It could be that simple. Its their show.

What I said abut people having too many choices is really ringing true.

[Edited 11/28/11 1:14am]

I never said it was my show! I'm sorry if it's too much for me to expect a band with less than forty songs in their primary catalog(prior to Condensate) to have performed most of them in 30 years! L4OAtheoriginal goes on about Prince not playing obscure tracks and non hits and we've had this discussion a few times. The Time actually has the luxury of being indulgent with the setlist because after a 21 year hiatus they only have a hardcore fanbase. Also the non hit tracks are quite good and the audience would know them right off!

i go on about prince because of his catalogue and it seems he can't even play anything from the 90's to present on a consistant basis. the time i agree has a more limited catalouge so i expect them 2 only play only certain material. but with prince its the same old shit from the musicology tour if not earlier.

L4OATheOriginal said:

HonestMan13 said:

I never said it was my show! I'm sorry if it's too much for me to expect a band with less than forty songs in their primary catalog(prior to Condensate) to have performed most of them in 30 years! L4OAtheoriginal goes on about Prince not playing obscure tracks and non hits and we've had this discussion a few times. The Time actually has the luxury of being indulgent with the setlist because after a 21 year hiatus they only have a hardcore fanbase. Also the non hit tracks are quite good and the audience would know them right off!

i go on about prince because of his catalogue and it seems he can't even play anything from the 90's to present on a consistant basis. the time i agree has a more limited catalouge so i expect them 2 only play only certain material. but with prince its the same old shit from the musicology tour if not earlier.

I understand your point completely.

HonestMan13 said:

I never said it was my show! I'm sorry if it's too much for me to expect a band with less than forty songs in their primary catalog(prior to Condensate) to have performed most of them in 30 years! L4OAtheoriginal goes on about Prince not playing obscure tracks and non hits and we've had this discussion a few times. The Time actually has the luxury of being indulgent with the setlist because after a 21 year hiatus they only have a hardcore fanbase. Also the non hit tracks are quite good and the audience would know them right off!

OnedayImgonnabesomebody is a new wave track. Its sounds like Sexuality. I can understand why its axed from their set. It doesn't fit with their vibe. I'd like to hear "Its Your World" more often but it's not my call. I'm entertained when they come to town and play. They don't have to try and do medleys of every song in their catalogue, especially if it is at the sacrifice of doing full versions of the better tracks.

SoulAlive said:

and your comment about them being "old black men" is ridiculous,considering that you're on a fansite devoted to another "old black man"

Yeah really what the fuck was that all about.

BlaqueKnight said:

HonestMan13 said:

I never said it was my show! I'm sorry if it's too much for me to expect a band with less than forty songs in their primary catalog(prior to Condensate) to have performed most of them in 30 years! L4OAtheoriginal goes on about Prince not playing obscure tracks and non hits and we've had this discussion a few times. The Time actually has the luxury of being indulgent with the setlist because after a 21 year hiatus they only have a hardcore fanbase. Also the non hit tracks are quite good and the audience would know them right off!

OnedayImgonnabesomebody is a new wave track. Its sounds like Sexuality. I can understand why its axed from their set. It doesn't fit with their vibe. I'd like to hear "Its Your World" more often but it's not my call. I'm entertained when they come to town and play. They don't have to try and do medleys of every song in their catalogue, especially if it is at the sacrifice of doing full versions of the better tracks.

that's a good comparison and it's maybe why dance 2 the beat was never put on any album as well. it's just not really the time sound i guess

SoulAlive said:

and your comment about them being "old black men" is ridiculous,considering that you're on a fansite devoted to another "old black man"

You gotta love the hypocrisy. "old black man" and what is Prince?

BlaqueKnight said:

HonestMan13 said:

I never said it was my show! I'm sorry if it's too much for me to expect a band with less than forty songs in their primary catalog(prior to Condensate) to have performed most of them in 30 years! L4OAtheoriginal goes on about Prince not playing obscure tracks and non hits and we've had this discussion a few times. The Time actually has the luxury of being indulgent with the setlist because after a 21 year hiatus they only have a hardcore fanbase. Also the non hit tracks are quite good and the audience would know them right off!

OnedayImgonnabesomebody is a new wave track. Its sounds like Sexuality. I can understand why its axed from their set. It doesn't fit with their vibe. I'd like to hear "Its Your World" more often but it's not my call. I'm entertained when they come to town and play. They don't have to try and do medleys of every song in their catalogue, especially if it is at the sacrifice of doing full versions of the better tracks.

Well they did say "WE DON'T LIKE NEW WAVE" so it's not hard to see why they don't do it.

clovesandtea said:

All of this 'associated artist' stuff is SUPER embarassing. Like really, you bunch of old black men, give it up and retire. Stop trying to ride your tiny little wave of tiny little fame from the 80s and stop making this old black man music.

For real.

Stop.

If it's super embarrassing to you...then don't read it. Like really, stick to your old tiny little idol from the 80s pages.

SoulAlive said:

clovesandtea said:

All of this 'associated artist' stuff is SUPER embarassing. Like really, you bunch of old black men, give it up and retire. Stop trying to ride your tiny little wave of tiny little fame from the 80s and stop making this old black man music.

For real.

Stop.

Like Jesse Johnson pointed out in one of the recent interviews.....musicians never have to retire.They can continue to make music until they die.Who are you to tell them to "stop"? If you don't like what they do,move along! Step aside for those of us who appreciate their talents.

jesse probably sold 5k of his last record he wont be making anymore records if he goes on that pace

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

It wouldn't surprise me if it is. Don't care one way or the other.

This has been Jessie's stick since Shockadelica. I think he loves fucking with

the media and Prince. I don't believe it's anything personal but that's Jessie.

Jessie says what's on his mind. I remember long before the Pandemonium reunion

Jessie was on the radio talking shit saying that the Time were gonna reunite and

if Prince tried to fuck it up he would kick Prince ass.

Jesse has never been afraid of Prince He has always said exactly what he feels.I remember a blistering interview from a late-1986 issue of Rock N' Soul magazine.During this period,there were all these rumors of the Time reuniting for a new album,tour and possible movie with Janet Jackson.He implied that Prince is scared to death of the reunion."No wonder you hear all that talk about him starting over with a new band",Johnson said.

why would prince be scared of the reunion even when the time were at thier peak they had limited success mostly limited to rnb. I was once in the gym in san jose and the trainer was saying he grew up in minn. and this women asked him about prince and this trainer also talked about the time and i think he knew jerome personally but she knew nothing about the time.

I grew up in Africa and no one knows about the time there. I only remeber hearing jerk out onces or twice

asg said:

SoulAlive said:

Like Jesse Johnson pointed out in one of the recent interviews.....musicians never have to retire.They can continue to make music until they die.Who are you to tell them to "stop"? If you don't like what they do,move along! Step aside for those of us who appreciate their talents.

jesse probably sold 5k of his last record he wont be making anymore records if he goes on that pace

dang. I know a ton of really great unknown musicians who probably sell WAY less and yet every year or two a new, well put together record drops. Geuss Jesse can't so THAT huh?

Zannaloaf said:

asg said:

jesse probably sold 5k of his last record he wont be making anymore records if he goes on that pace

dang. I know a ton of really great unknown musicians who probably sell WAY less and yet every year or two a new, well put together record drops. Geuss Jesse can't so THAT huh?

what i hate about jesse is he is ur classic whinner every one has seen one of those he was whinning 30yrs back he is still whinning. he might think he is god but we all know he is not. u left princes camp 30 yrs back and u r still complaining about prince 30yrs on. the guy needs to grow up. he should be glad prince made him famous .

asg said:

SoulAlive said:

Like Jesse Johnson pointed out in one of the recent interviews.....musicians never have to retire.They can continue to make music until they die.Who are you to tell them to "stop"? If you don't like what they do,move along! Step aside for those of us who appreciate their talents.

jesse probably sold 5k of his last record he wont be making anymore records if he goes on that pace

As I said before,very few musicians rely on record sales these days.They find other ways to pay the bills.Younger artists and certain rappers are the only people who can sell enough CDs to make a profit.Even Prince can't rely solely on record sales anymore.

asg said:

Zannaloaf said:

dang. I know a ton of really great unknown musicians who probably sell WAY less and yet every year or two a new, well put together record drops. Geuss Jesse can't so THAT huh?

what i hate about jesse is he is ur classic whinner every one has seen one of those he was whinning 30yrs back he is still whinning. he might think he is god but we all know he is not. u left princes camp 30 yrs back and u r still complaining about prince 30yrs on. the guy needs to grow up. he should be glad prince made him famous .

No,he's not a "whiner",he's just speaking the truth.He was there,we weren't.

SoulAlive said:

asg said:

what i hate about jesse is he is ur classic whinner every one has seen one of those he was whinning 30yrs back he is still whinning. he might think he is god but we all know he is not. u left princes camp 30 yrs back and u r still complaining about prince 30yrs on. the guy needs to grow up. he should be glad prince made him famous .

No,he's not a "whiner",he's just speaking the truth.He was there,we weren't.

His was not the gospel truth. he thinks the world revolves around him. sorry to say it doesnt. he is still whinning after 30yrs and if was so big headed he could have made something of him but he couldnt. u left prince 30yrs back and u r still blaming him for ur career flame out.

prince was responsible for the reunion in 1990 and if he was scared why would be make it possible?

The time werent really big and even alaxender oniel was doing much better then them alone he was massive in uk too.

jam and lewis were supporting most of the time guys thru the yrs and if they didnt they would have been toast long time back.

I know of no single person who whines about thier boss after leaving him 30yrs back

asg said:

SoulAlive said:

No,he's not a "whiner",he's just speaking the truth.He was there,we weren't.

His was not the gospel truth. he thinks the world revolves around him. sorry to say it doesnt. he is still whinning after 30yrs and if was so big headed he could have made something of him but he couldnt. u left prince 30yrs back and u r still blaming him for ur career flame out.

prince was responsible for the reunion in 1990 and if he was scared why would be make it possible?

The time werent really big and even alaxender oniel was doing much better then them alone he was massive in uk too.

jam and lewis were supporting most of the time guys thru the yrs and if they didnt they would have been toast long time back.

I know of no single person who whines about thier boss after leaving him 30yrs back

Where are you getting this from? He didn't blame Prince for anything in the interviews I've seen. You sound overly defensive.

Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

and your comment about them being "old black men" is ridiculous,considering that you're on a fansite devoted to another "old black man"

You gotta love the hypocrisy. "old black man" and what is Prince?

LOL or an old 'mixed race' man...

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Timmy84 said:

You gotta love the hypocrisy. "old black man" and what is Prince?

LOL or an old 'mixed race' man...

.....or NOT.

asg said:

SoulAlive said:

No,he's not a "whiner",he's just speaking the truth.He was there,we weren't.

His was not the gospel truth. he thinks the world revolves around him. sorry to say it doesnt. he is still whinning after 30yrs and if was so big headed he could have made something of him but he couldnt. u left prince 30yrs back and u r still blaming him for ur career flame out.

prince was responsible for the reunion in 1990 and if he was scared why would be make it possible?

The time werent really big and even alaxender oniel was doing much better then them alone he was massive in uk too.

jam and lewis were supporting most of the time guys thru the yrs and if they didnt they would have been toast long time back.

I know of no single person who whines about thier boss after leaving him 30yrs back

You do know Jesse's debut album was the highest selling debut for an r&b male solo artist

at the time of it's release. Most of the statements you are making aren't true. Seems like

you're whining.

phunkdaddy said:

asg said:

His was not the gospel truth. he thinks the world revolves around him. sorry to say it doesnt. he is still whinning after 30yrs and if was so big headed he could have made something of him but he couldnt. u left prince 30yrs back and u r still blaming him for ur career flame out.

prince was responsible for the reunion in 1990 and if he was scared why would be make it possible?

The time werent really big and even alaxender oniel was doing much better then them alone he was massive in uk too.

jam and lewis were supporting most of the time guys thru the yrs and if they didnt they would have been toast long time back.

I know of no single person who whines about thier boss after leaving him 30yrs back

You do know Jesse's debut album was the highest selling debut for an r&b male solo artist

at the time of it's release. Most of the statements you are making aren't true. Seems like

you're whining.

Higher than Michael Jackson?

phunkdaddy said:

asg said:

His was not the gospel truth. he thinks the world revolves around him. sorry to say it doesnt. he is still whinning after 30yrs and if was so big headed he could have made something of him but he couldnt. u left prince 30yrs back and u r still blaming him for ur career flame out.

prince was responsible for the reunion in 1990 and if he was scared why would be make it possible?

The time werent really big and even alaxender oniel was doing much better then them alone he was massive in uk too.

jam and lewis were supporting most of the time guys thru the yrs and if they didnt they would have been toast long time back.

I know of no single person who whines about thier boss after leaving him 30yrs back

You do know Jesse's debut album was the highest selling debut for an r&b male solo artist

at the time of it's release. Most of the statements you are making aren't true. Seems like

you're whining.

Really?

asg said:

SoulAlive said:

No,he's not a "whiner",he's just speaking the truth.He was there,we weren't.

His was not the gospel truth. he thinks the world revolves around him. sorry to say it doesnt. he is still whinning after 30yrs and if was so big headed he could have made something of him but he couldnt. u left prince 30yrs back and u r still blaming him for ur career flame out.

prince was responsible for the reunion in 1990 and if he was scared why would be make it possible?

The time werent really big and even alaxender oniel was doing much better then them alone he was massive in uk too.

jam and lewis were supporting most of the time guys thru the yrs and if they didnt they would have been toast long time back.

I know of no single person who whines about thier boss after leaving him 30yrs back

Like I said before....he was there,we weren't.You're just speculating on things that you don't know about.