hhhhdmt said:

panther514 said:

Condensate is a pretty solid effort..but I don't think it strikes fear in the purple one... the solo project from Jesse is the one that he should be losing sleep over. Verbal Penetration vols 1&2 blows anything P has done in the last 30 yrs completely out of the water! P doesn't have a cd that he has done in the last 30 that even comes close.

so Verbal Penetration is better than Sign o the times? Ok

I would say yes...3 to 4 strong songs vs 9 to 11

TheFreakerFantastic said:

wonder505 said:

I've listened to it two times in full. the third time I couldn't take it anymore halfway thru. i like eric leed's work on it but the songs are so bland gosh. and I disagree with you. I feel the Rainbow Children and LotusFlowr are great cd's when it comes to musical arrangements.

Exactly, you've only heard it 2x.....with these kind of albums you can't expect to judge from only 2 plays...i wasn't sure about it at that level, I've now played it about 20x and I think its amazing....

Listen to the arrangements and melodies on The Vigil...esp. the beautiful piano ending...

Lover is the best love song for a while....

[Edited 11/23/11 12:21pm]

If I have to work this hard to like a cd then i'm not interested. I know what I like, I listen to music carefully. yes there are cds that grow on you, Gaslight is not one of them. The cd is forgettable and boring and nothing special. I'm happy that you enjoy it though.

MajesticOne89 said:

hhhhdmt said:

so Verbal Penetration is better than Sign o the times? Ok

If he had said 10 years than that's a fair argument in which case I'd probably agree, but 30 starts us all the way back at Controversy soooooo I'll have to definitely disagree

o.k...slight miscalculation...20 dammit!! :0)

Zannaloaf said:

wonder505 said:

I've listened to it two times in full. the third time I couldn't take it anymore halfway thru. i like eric leed's work on it but the songs are so bland gosh. and I disagree with you. I feel the Rainbow Children and LotusFlowr are great cd's when it comes to musical arrangements.

Please send me your Gaslight cd and I'll send you those peices of $%&^ Rainbow Children and Lotusflower. Those are TERRIBLE records with blah writing and melodies.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings cuz I feel the Gaslight cd sounds like complete shit. And I have the Rainbow Children and Lotusflower cds and I enjoy them thank you very much.

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wonder505 said:

Zannaloaf said:

Please send me your Gaslight cd and I'll send you those peices of $%&^ Rainbow Children and Lotusflower. Those are TERRIBLE records with blah writing and melodies.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings cuz I feel the Gaslight cd sounds like complete shit. And I have the Rainbow Children and Lotusflower cds and I enjoy them thank you very much.

[Edited 11/23/11 16:35pm]

Nope- nothing to do with my "feelings" at all. - I know someone who love good music (completely not a Princ fan) would LOVE Gaslight...I'd give them your copy. And I can't even TRADE in thsoe two records for used...so if you like them you can pass on to your pals who might like them rather than me chucking them.

Zannaloaf said:

wonder505 said:

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings cuz I feel the Gaslight cd sounds like complete shit. And I have the Rainbow Children and Lotusflower cds and I enjoy them thank you very much.

[Edited 11/23/11 16:35pm]

Nope- nothing to do with my "feelings" at all. - I know someone who love good music (completely not a Princ fan) would LOVE Gaslight...I'd give them your copy. And I can't even TRADE in thsoe two records for used...so if you like them you can pass on to your pals who might like them rather than me chucking them.

Your response is soooo childish. I mean really? c'mon. look at what you wrote. it really does bother you and get under the skin when I post how much the Gaslight CD sounds like shit to me. Sorry the cd sucks! It bores me, there is nothing original or interesting about it! I'm MATURE enough to be happy for you that you enjoy FDeluxe and if you don't like Rainbow Children or Lotusflowr then that's cool too.

HonestMan13 said:

wonder505 said:

I disagree with you on FDeluxe's Gaslight. That album sucks.

My friends are 50/50 on Gaslight so far but the live show kicks ass and they're playing over half of the new CD and a good chunk of the old one(they even threw in a snippet of Madhouse 6). They look like they're enjoying it and the fans are loving the face time they give them after the shows!

I was sorry that I didn't get to see them in NYC but it was on the same night as that freak snowstorm. I've stated before that I would enjoy them live more than the cd and you're right, the feedback is 50/50 but some people round here act like its such a mindblowing excellent cd that everyone is supposed to like it but I don't, so whatever.

Zannaloaf said:

2elijah said:

I can 'guarantee', not 'almost guarantee', that you would not have the oportunity to enjoy the group formerly known as 'The Family' or the group formerly known as 'The Time', with both their new names now, if it wasn't for Prince in the first place, so don't bite the hand that provided that for you....hmmkay? Okay..come on back.. so what you got?

What arguemnet are you having here and with whom? I could care less of Prince pulled them together one way or the other. I don't thank Berry Gordy for putting bands together when I am listening to them...whose music was often written and played by others rather than the band on the record cover. That hand did not provide EITHER of these two new albums. The people involved did. I know Prince was involved in those early albums...and I love the albums...and Prince's involvement because of it. I'm one of theose people who would have to hip others to the fact THAT Prince was all OVER those records! That has ZIP to do with what these other people put together ON THEIR OWN and how much better it is - imo- than what the genius bandmaker is putting out on his own in the last 10 years.

It's not that serious. You missed the humor and the point. I said Prince is responsible for putting both groups together, earlier in their music careers, under the names 'The Family' and 'The Time'. That's no reason for you to get that upset. Also, I never said he had anything to do with either groups' new cds. You must have read the wrong post. My other point is that most of both groups' fans come directly from Prince's fan base. So yes, he is responsible for them sharing 'some' of his fan base. That is all. Take care.

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wonder505 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

okay in this sense what ur saying about the time can also apply 2 prince's shows "can i play my guitar?" "i've got so many hits" stops the song teasing that he can't play the song and tthe crowd goes wild etc ..it's the same spiel as well. as 4 catalouge, of course prince's is more diverse than the time but RARELY in the past 15 years will prince stick 2 his guns or yesteryear and focus a show around his latest material. the time, u can't expect that just based on the limited material they have 2 choose from. should they now start doing cover versions of prince's songs since he's been doing cool, the bird, jungle love, the stick, 777-9311? i sometimes think prince does these songs live now 2 say "hey i wrote this!" and i feel like saying "alright cool.. do u want a cookie now?"

as 4 the time doing signature moves well i will equate it on a level of a james brown show where u know the cape has got 2 come and put it over his shoulders ya know what i'm getting at? i'm not trying 2 start a fight ya know but i just had 2 ask ..and also ..i'm adding a fried turkey to the skittles u owe me!

So far the O7 has played only one new song from the most recent concerts. they have an entire CD with killer hits and yet they only play one, (correct me if I'm wrong). yes its too soon to tell but still (frankly i dont' care but just for arguments sake). and Prince has played his new materials during the ONA tour which was in 2002, 3121 tours in 2006 and a few from the Welcome to America tour. he does what any artist does normally, play a few new hits and his well known hits. the only thing I wish Prince would not do is play covers.

I get a double standard sense here. Its okay for O7 to do the same show over and over, but if Prince does the same show, with the same song over and over then its a problem.

[Edited 11/23/11 10:16am]

no double standard at all. as 4 prince if u look at his complete tour history, he's done a majority of every song off a album during a tour sans controversy and 1999 but every single song has been done live. after the gold experience he stopped doing that and maybe 5 songs the most of a current album has been done live out of say 12 tracks and then u never hear from them again except on a rare rare rare occassion. the time/o7 has only 5 albums of material 2 choose from ..now that's a very VAST difference 2 someone who has made over 30 plus. is it okay 4 the original 7ven to keep doing the same songs ..yes and no..hopefully with time as they develop the upcoming tour, more songs from condensate will be played. with prince? i can almost hear the identical set list he's done for the past 15 years being played over and over again.

2elijah said:

wonder505 said:

So far the O7 has played only one new song from the most recent concerts. they have an entire CD with killer hits and yet they only play one, (correct me if I'm wrong). yes its too soon to tell but still (frankly i dont' care but just for arguments sake). and Prince has played his new materials during the ONA tour which was in 2002, 3121 tours in 2006 and a few from the Welcome to America tour. he does what any artist does normally, play a few new hits and his well known hits. the only thing I wish Prince would not do is play covers.

I get a double standard sense here. Its okay for O7 to do the same show over and over, but if Prince does the same show, with the same song over and over then its a problem.

[Edited 11/23/11 10:16am]

(Bolded statement) Hold the press! Wonder505, exactly! How is it that I see some of the same orgers whining about Prince singing many of his popular classics at his shows, yet the Time (now 07) have sung the same songs since Prince's creation of them as a group? How is it "okay" for the O7 (f/k/a The Time), but not okay for Prince? Definitely a double-standard here.

keep reading

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2elijah said:

leonche64 said:

The Time was all about the live show. Who wants to see The Time not being, well...The Time? Why would they change their show? Change to what? A different genre? They are a BAND. Not a solo performer. There are different expectations. Take any BAND that has been together for 30 years, and show me the changes. The Rolling Stones are still rock and roll, The Temptations are still soul, and BB King still plays the Blues. And The Time are still the the funky playboys. The songs change, but the style and familiarity are still there. Yep, Darrius Rucker went from Pop to Country, but he is the exception.

Prince created the group. So what? We saw what happened when he played the "Morris character", complete with Jerome. Not the same right? Bob Kane created Batman. That does not mean he can wear the suit.

Regardless of it's genesis's, The Time and Prince are separate entities, with different stage presence and musical direction.

Chill dude, didn't mean to touch your nerves. My comments are not a put-down of former members of the Time, so no reason to be oversensitive about it. From the interviews it seems they talk about doing their own thing now minus being under the direction of Prince, musically/business or image wise, so that gave me the impression they wanted to create a different performance style, image and music, not reflective of the former group under Prince's direction and his ownership of the group name.

What is so wrong about seeing them in their very,own creative image as a new group while as the '07?' They have the skills and talent and I respect them as musicians/artists. We don't have to agree, that's the beauty of the difference of opinions.

Secondly, I don't see 'The Time' image/stage presence/performance styles, as a separate entity from Prince, because the creation of that group and who it represented and the direction it was under, was Prince, and yes, the '07' still present themselves in that very, same image/stage presence/performance styles of the group f/k/a 'The Time'. That was my point.

Now the '07' is no longer 'The Time', but again they still reflect the former 'Time's image in every way. So at this point, they don't present themselves as a separate entity from Prince, because they're still walking in the same image, have the same stage presence and performance style of a group Prince created.

I respect your opinion, but I'm not letting up off of mine, so we just have to politely and respectfully disagree on this one. I'm not mad at ya though.

[Edited 11/22/11 20:00pm]

BlaqueKnight said:

2elijah said:

I give them credit for releasing a decent album, but the test will be if they could present various types of music, other than the kind of sound, that don't become 'too familiar'. Variety is nice. The difference with Prince is that you can't label him in one category, because he plays a variety of music, so you never know what to 'expect' from him when he releases an album/cd. He also has changed his image dress-wise over the years. The O7 kept the same Princely image associated with 'The Time' that Prince apparently created, as though they were saving their extravagant suits from the 80s and took it out the closet, tried them on to see it they still fit, when "Condensate' was released.

If they show they could be successful without Prince, wonder if they would consider shedding the image that Prince created and made them famous for as ''The Time', because right now looking at their group pic as the 'O7', screams "I tried, but I can't let go of the Purple Magic'. Just saying, if they don't need the same name to succeed, then they don't need the same, type image to be successful. I mean even some snakes shed their old skin and grow a new one. I don't think the band members have said anything with malice, publically towards Prince, but if they should while portraying the same image/similar stage performances Prince displayed of them, as the former "Time' group, it would pretty much be a form of contradiction on their part. (Dont take that wrong, I still love the members of The Time). I'm just saying, it would be like telling someone you don't need them to succeed, but still wanting to hold on to just a little piece of them to make it. Just my two cents. (::Lawd I'm in trouble now.. )

[Edited 11/22/11 18:57pm]

I disagree. There are many GREAT R&B artists. Doing different styles of music does not make someone superior. Prince has been a jack of all trades but in my opinion, he has never been "the best" at any genre. You may see artists jumping from genre to genre as some sign of superiority but I don't. Versatility is cool but it doesn't reign supreme and it doesn't mean the work you are doing is great. A great artist in one genre (jazz, for instance) doesn't have to play other styles of music when they are superior at doing what they do. It doesn't mean that they CAN'T, it means they don't need to.

People keep saying that they hope this will "light a fire under Prince" - why do you think that is? That indicates that

a. there is some degree of dissatisfaction with his current work

b. there is some degree of enjoyment of The Time's new work (Jimmy say we can call them The Time, so I'mma call them The Time)

Without Prince's past line up, he's not going to make "classic" Prince records. He's got a bunch of scrubs in the band (even though Morris has been around for a while now). No offense to the players but they are not the players that made young Prince step his game up. They are not the cats that he vibed off of. They are not the members that influenced him to make the music he made back then.

That is the difference.

The Time = same fellas = same vibe

Prince = different crew = different vibe

Yeah, that shoots down the ridiculous theory that everybody that played for Prince were droids playing exactly what he wanted them to.

And dude - SUITS ARE NEVER OUT OF STYLE. Those aren't Prince suits. They are suits...and they damn sure ain't the same ones (at least the pants can't be)

L4OATheOriginal said:

wonder505 said:

So far the O7 has played only one new song from the most recent concerts. they have an entire CD with killer hits and yet they only play one, (correct me if I'm wrong). yes its too soon to tell but still (frankly i dont' care but just for arguments sake). and Prince has played his new materials during the ONA tour which was in 2002, 3121 tours in 2006 and a few from the Welcome to America tour. he does what any artist does normally, play a few new hits and his well known hits. the only thing I wish Prince would not do is play covers.

I get a double standard sense here. Its okay for O7 to do the same show over and over, but if Prince does the same show, with the same song over and over then its a problem.

[Edited 11/23/11 10:16am]

no double standard at all. as 4 prince if u look at his complete tour history, he's done a majority of every song off a album during a tour sans controversy and 1999 but every single song has been done live. after the gold experience he stopped doing that and maybe 5 songs the most of a current album has been done live out of say 12 tracks and then u never hear from them again except on a rare rare rare occassion. the time/o7 has only 5 albums of material 2 choose from ..now that's a very VAST difference 2 someone who has made over 30 plus. is it okay 4 the original 7ven to keep doing the same songs ..yes and no..hopefully with time as they develop the upcoming tour, more songs from condensate will be played. with prince? i can almost hear the identical set list he's done for the past 15 years being played over and over again.

i understand your point, but I don't think Prince is doing anything out of the ordinary than what most artist with his catalog does. its going to be a selection of new songs, plus the hits, you are just apart of that group that dont want to hear the hits anymore and that is fine. Prince cannot please everyone. shit i've seen Prince a total of 16 times and I've only heard Adore sung live ONCE, beautiful strange ONCE, and Pink Cashmere ONCE. so my expericence each time I have seen him blew him away because each show feels different and has its own unique magic moment.

Again if Prince did every single song live off an album as you stated as he used to do, and now, at least does 5 news songs each tour, I still don't understand why its somewhat okay for O7 to do only one track from a cd full of great songs, even with less material and with the same type of stage show. why are they still performing Trendin, and not Sick, Condensate, Toast to the Party Girl. time will tell if that changes, but if things don't change i will come back to this and see what yall have to say about it then. I personally don't care, I'm seeing them live as soon as they hit NYC. I just dont understand why they get a pass with some people here.

[Edited 11/23/11 19:01pm]

2elijah said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

okay in this sense what ur saying about the time can also apply 2 prince's shows "can i play my guitar?" "i've got so many hits" stops the song teasing that he can't play the song and tthe crowd goes wild etc ..it's the same spiel as well. as 4 catalouge, of course prince's is more diverse than the time but RARELY in the past 15 years will prince stick 2 his guns or yesteryear and focus a show around his latest material. the time, u can't expect that just based on the limited material they have 2 choose from. should they now start doing cover versions of prince's songs since he's been doing cool, the bird, jungle love, the stick, 777-9311? i sometimes think prince does these songs live now 2 say "hey i wrote this!" and i feel like saying "alright cool.. do u want a cookie now?"

as 4 the time doing signature moves well i will equate it on a level of a james brown show where u know the cape has got 2 come and put it over his shoulders ya know what i'm getting at? i'm not trying 2 start a fight ya know but i just had 2 ask ..and also ..i'm adding a fried turkey to the skittles u owe me!

Prince can tease and say he has so many hits because he does, and he can choose what to play, even if it's just a tease of one of his songs, leaving you to want more. He can also sing/perform the songs associated with the Time, because didn't he write or co-wrote the majority of the 'Time's' songs? Correct me if I'm wrong. He also mentioned in a past interview that he plays covers to pretty much remind folks of the real music by real musicians that dominated the 60s/70s/80s., and if any of those groups tried to put out music today, radio would ignore them because radio doesn't give a damn about real music anymore. It's all about getting sponsorhip money and playing what they 'think' is popular even if it all sounds repetitive or manufactured. I mean anyone can now get on youtube..do a five line song, repeat it 20 times with what they call music behind it and call it a hit, if it's catchy. What happened to hard work, competition and creativity?

I have to say I don't care for the current stuff on the radio, but I will listen to a station that plays the classics or pandora radio online. You have a generation for the past 15 years or so, coming up in the hip-hop/rap era, and not used to seeing 'live' musicians, I don't mean hip-hop acts jumping around the stage like rabbits, pretending that's real music. I mean 'real music with actual, skilled musicians' that knew what it was like musically to really compete with other musicians.

Now getting back to the group f/k/a 'The Time' they have to play their classics in full because they have a limited amount of songs, whereas Prince doesn't have to..that's the difference. I give the O7 credit for getting together and releasing music on their own without Prince, as they can't hang on to his coat tails forever. The detachment of 'The Time' name from them as a new group, forces them to go out and create their own music, yet being allowed to still play those classics their audience 'expects' to hear, which is probably why they sitll focus on playing those classic hits. Playing much of their new songs in one show will take time without including their classics, while drawing in new fans, so I could understand why they play very, little new songs from their current album. Besides, they still need people to buy their album, before letting them hear all of the new songs performed 'live' too soon.

Also, the majority of their fans are Prince fans, because that's where they developed their fan base from. Now what if they chose to just play only the new songs from "Condensate' and not one 'Time" classic at their show? I guarantee that some of their audience will not be happy if they don't play the 'classics' 'The Time' are known for. So I see them including many of their Prince-associated classics at all their shows.

Now as far as the Time's signature moves, sure those moves are cute and 'familiar' with them, but there's no way you can equate theirs to James Brown, because James Brown's whole persona was his own creation and he was very versatile iwth his performances.

Just to add...forget the fried Turkey... ..you'll have to settle for the Skittles.

[Edited 11/23/11 14:59pm]

i am not opposed 2 real music by real musicians.. hell i live 4 that! jimmy jam clearly stated that they would do their hits ..as opposed 2 someone else who said many times in his career i'm never gonna do the hits again ...now there's a double standard

2elijah said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

a simple two questions if i may ..is the same as Prince or different? and what image should the Original 7ven have besides wearing suits on stage?

Yes you may. Prince plays various styles of music/doesn't have the same stage presence as in how he presents himself on stage during his shows/stage performances.

When you see the Time live, you see the same character plays - Jerome handing Morris the mirror; Morris sliding his hand across the top of his hair to the back to see if the gel is holding his hair in place;Morris checking if his clothes are right; Jerome and Morris doing that familiar dance step where they hold both hands in front their stomachs and take their feet and jump right to left in unison- you know the one L4, stop acting like you don't know. I'm surprised Jerome doesn't hand Morris a hanky to wipe his nose or sweat off his face or did I miss that over the years.

Prince presents a different stage performance and stage presence during his live shows. You don't know what he's going to come up with. Different show each time. He's made many changes over the years with band members and has always performed various styles of music Some of you complain aobut Prince singing some of the same classics, yet the Time, over the years sung the same songs, as they had a small catalogue under their former name. I've seen clips of the 07 and it's the same presentation as when they were the former Time.

You ask how should they change their image? That's something they have to come up with on their own creatively, but for now they're technically still the "Time' under the 'O7' title, with the same stage presence as the 'Time'. Again, I respect all of the Time members, they're part of Prince's music history, and regardless of my opinion of them..... yes I will buy the O7's album this weekend, just to show my support and appreciation for them as musicians/artists. Geezus... you guys are working me overtime on this thread.

[Edited 11/23/11 9:29am]

and there you have it!

I know that I am not the same person 5, 10, 20 years ago... and neither are "O7"; put your money where your mouth is and I may have bit more respect when you claim that you are free and original!

Zannaloaf said:

2elijah said:

I can 'guarantee', not 'almost guarantee', that you would not have the oportunity to enjoy the group formerly known as 'The Family' or the group formerly known as 'The Time', with both their new names now, if it wasn't for Prince in the first place, so don't bite the hand that provided that for you....hmmkay? Okay..come on back.. so what you got?

What arguemnet are you having here and with whom? I could care less of Prince pulled them together one way or the other. I don't thank Berry Gordy for putting bands together when I am listening to them...whose music was often written and played by others rather than the band on the record cover. That hand did not provide EITHER of these two new albums. The people involved did. I know Prince was involved in those early albums...and I love the albums...and Prince's involvement because of it. I'm one of theose people who would have to hip others to the fact THAT Prince was all OVER those records! That has ZIP to do with what these other people put together ON THEIR OWN and how much better it is - imo- than what the genius bandmaker is putting out on his own in the last 10 years.

FACT: O7 = still THE TIME

nothing new, nothing changed, still THE TIME

wonder505 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

no double standard at all. as 4 prince if u look at his complete tour history, he's done a majority of every song off a album during a tour sans controversy and 1999 but every single song has been done live. after the gold experience he stopped doing that and maybe 5 songs the most of a current album has been done live out of say 12 tracks and then u never hear from them again except on a rare rare rare occassion. the time/o7 has only 5 albums of material 2 choose from ..now that's a very VAST difference 2 someone who has made over 30 plus. is it okay 4 the original 7ven to keep doing the same songs ..yes and no..hopefully with time as they develop the upcoming tour, more songs from condensate will be played. with prince? i can almost hear the identical set list he's done for the past 15 years being played over and over again.

i understand your point, but I don't think Prince is doing anything out of the ordinary than what most artist with his catalog does. its going to be a selection of new songs, plus the hits, you are just apart of that group that dont want to hear the hits anymore and that is fine. Prince cannot please everyone. shit i've seen Prince a total of 16 times and I've only heard Adore sung live ONCE, beautiful strange ONCE, and Pink Cashmere ONCE. so my expericence each time I have seen him blew him away because each show feels different and has its own unique magic moment.

Again if Prince did every single song live off an album as you stated as he used to do, and now, at least does 5 news songs each tour, I still don't understand why its somewhat okay for O7 to do only one track from a cd full of great songs, even with less material and with the same type of stage show. why are they still performing Trendin, and not Sick, Condensate, Toast to the Party Girl. time will tell if that changes, but if things don't change i will come back to this and see what yall have to say about it then. I personally don't care, I'm seeing them live as soon as they hit NYC. I just dont understand why they get a pass with some people here.

[Edited 11/23/11 19:01pm]

yes time will tell

wonder505 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

no double standard at all. as 4 prince if u look at his complete tour history, he's done a majority of every song off a album during a tour sans controversy and 1999 but every single song has been done live. after the gold experience he stopped doing that and maybe 5 songs the most of a current album has been done live out of say 12 tracks and then u never hear from them again except on a rare rare rare occassion. the time/o7 has only 5 albums of material 2 choose from ..now that's a very VAST difference 2 someone who has made over 30 plus. is it okay 4 the original 7ven to keep doing the same songs ..yes and no..hopefully with time as they develop the upcoming tour, more songs from condensate will be played. with prince? i can almost hear the identical set list he's done for the past 15 years being played over and over again.

i understand your point, but I don't think Prince is doing anything out of the ordinary than what most artist with his catalog does. its going to be a selection of new songs, plus the hits, you are just apart of that group that dont want to hear the hits anymore and that is fine. Prince cannot please everyone. shit i've seen Prince a total of 16 times and I've only heard Adore sung live ONCE, beautiful strange ONCE, and Pink Cashmere ONCE. so my expericence each time I have seen him blew him away because each show feels different and has its own unique magic moment.

Again if Prince did every single song live off an album as you stated as he used to do, and now, at least does 5 news songs each tour, I still don't understand why its somewhat okay for O7 to do only one track from a cd full of great songs, even with less material and with the same type of stage show. why are they still performing Trendin, and not Sick, Condensate, Toast to the Party Girl. time will tell if that changes, but if things don't change i will come back to this and see what yall have to say about it then. I personally don't care, I'm seeing them live as soon as they hit NYC. I just dont understand why they get a pass with some people here.

[Edited 11/23/11 19:01pm]

Even if they don't play the new tracks they could occasionally throw in a track like 'After High School' or 'OnedayI'mgonnabesomebody' once in awhile. The audience would know them and enjoy them. The reason I stopped seeing Morris Day & The Time was cause after 3 shows over several years it didn't change. Like you I want to go the the show when they hit NYC but am definitely keeping my fingers crossed for some variation in their set!

kgarcia863 said:

2elijah said:

Yes you may. Prince plays various styles of music/doesn't have the same stage presence as in how he presents himself on stage during his shows/stage performances.

When you see the Time live, you see the same character plays - Jerome handing Morris the mirror; Morris sliding his hand across the top of his hair to the back to see if the gel is holding his hair in place;Morris checking if his clothes are right; Jerome and Morris doing that familiar dance step where they hold both hands in front their stomachs and take their feet and jump right to left in unison- you know the one L4, stop acting like you don't know. I'm surprised Jerome doesn't hand Morris a hanky to wipe his nose or sweat off his face or did I miss that over the years.

Prince presents a different stage performance and stage presence during his live shows. You don't know what he's going to come up with. Different show each time. He's made many changes over the years with band members and has always performed various styles of music Some of you complain aobut Prince singing some of the same classics, yet the Time, over the years sung the same songs, as they had a small catalogue under their former name. I've seen clips of the 07 and it's the same presentation as when they were the former Time.

You ask how should they change their image? That's something they have to come up with on their own creatively, but for now they're technically still the "Time' under the 'O7' title, with the same stage presence as the 'Time'. Again, I respect all of the Time members, they're part of Prince's music history, and regardless of my opinion of them..... yes I will buy the O7's album this weekend, just to show my support and appreciation for them as musicians/artists. Geezus... you guys are working me overtime on this thread.

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and there you have it!

I know that I am not the same person 5, 10, 20 years ago... and neither are "O7"; put your money where your mouth is and I may have bit more respect when you claim that you are free and original!

See...here's the thing, when they changed the name of the band to the Original7ven, they indicated on their cd, that they are the original members f/k/a 'The Time', so it is apparent they wanted to keep the same image/stage performance of the original Time members, when they decided to get together and release new music. Now if they were able to maintain the original name of their band, then their intentions were the same. So technically they are not 'free' from the image reflective of the original Time members, because i believe it was never their intention to be separated from it as 'a group'. It's all good though, I'm still buying their cd.

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Militant said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Strawberry Lake is such a 1999 rip off.

i got more of a sly stone vibe on that one.... confirmed even more so whe the lyric "hot fun in the summertime" popped up in there too

1999 has a (futuristic) Sly Stone vibe though.

If ya'll dont stop with all this foolishness.

onder505 said:

Man I LOVE the new O7 cd!! Definately best cd of the year!! I like this cd better than anything Prince has done since he left Warner Brothers(but thats not hard because I really have not liked him since then). Its not better than Prince's career though but what a STRONG Album! I hate the way that most Prince fans will not support them though because Prince is not involved. Thats a real shame and will probably cause them to not have a second album due to lack of sales. What a pity

carlcranshaw said:

Is Jesse wearing a Paisley shirt and holding his middle finger up to say F U Prince?

Is there a subliminal in this photo?

Well spotted, just looked my album cover close up - to me he is definitely giving the finger, I think this IS a subliminal message....cleverly done....

TheFreakerFantastic said:

onder505 said:

If I have to work this hard to like a cd then i'm not interested. I know what I like, I listen to music carefully. yes there are cds that grow on you, Gaslight is not one of them. The cd is forgettable and boring and nothing special. I'm happy that you enjoy it though.

If all you do is 2 listens to new music then you must have a very superficial relationship with music. Some of Prince's best work took me quite a few listens to like such as Lovesexy...The Black Album etc...if I just had two listens I would have given up and said I didn't like them. Compare 20ten with Gaslight.....can u seriously say 20ten is musically better with a straight face? Gaslight streets ahead musically... [Edited 11/24/11 7:27am]

So because I listened to Gaslight 2 and a half times, cringing through the third time and don't like the cd, you, a complete a stranger, is going to judge me and my entire music catalog and what I like? that's kind of dumb. no that's really dumb. Yes many cds are growers but in my experience and I like every kind of music, mostly indie, there is always something that draws me back to give the cd another chance. Gaslight is cringeworthy. I DONT LIKE THE CD. Get over it! and take your head out of St. Paul and dem's ass. if you like Gaslight then cool. stop getting your feelings hurt because others dont. and why you keep bringing up 20Ten? what does Prince have to do with anything? Is that what this is about? Praise Gaslight to get a dig at Prince's output?...wow how mature. Again, I am happy you enjoy the cd.

[Edited 11/24/11 9:22am]

leonche64 said:

2elijah said:

funkatopia said: See you agree that if they started off fresh under a new name, as a group, shed the image and stage performance Prince created as'The Time'then they'd be more original living up to their new name. The vids I've seen of their recent, stage presence and performances so far, they're still portraying the same stage performance and image Prince created as 'The Time', like they just stepped off the Purple Rain movie set from 1984 into 2011. Don't get me wrong, they're all very talented, which is why I'm still going to buy their new cd. As far as I'm concerned Jesse could just stand on stage, all by himself looking pretty and that would be just fine with me (j/k). No but seriously, they're all very talented musicians/artists, but now as a group with a new name and releasing their own music, claiming they're Prince-free business and music-wise, then they should let go of the image/stage performance presence that Prince created for them, and made them popular with, because right now it looks like they're still holding on to a piece of Prince like a child afraid to leave their parent's nest to start off a new and fresh life on their own. Can't relly call yourself free from someone who helped jumpstarted your career, if you're still walking and the performing in the very, same image that person created for you, and yet you still want to benefit from that image. Just sayin'.

The Time was all about the live show. Who wants to see The Time not being, well...The Time? Why would they change their show? Change to what? A different genre? They are a BAND. Not a solo performer. There are different expectations. Take any BAND that has been together for 30 years, and show me the changes. The Rolling Stones are still rock and roll, The Temptations are still soul, and BB King still plays the Blues. And The Time are still the the funky playboys. The songs change, but the style and familiarity are still there. Yep, Darrius Rucker went from Pop to Country, but he is the exception.

Prince created the group. So what? We saw what happened when he played the "Morris character", complete with Jerome. Not the same right? Bob Kane created Batman. That does not mean he can wear the suit.

Regardless of it's genesis's, The Time and Prince are separate entities, with different stage presence and musical direction.

I agree with everything you said.I've seen people on here complaining that Morris and the guys haven't changed their image....that they're still singing about cars and women....that they haven't 'moved on',blah blah blah.Not every band or artist needs to evolve.Look at rock bands like The Eagles and the Rolling Stones.They're still doing the exact same thing they've been doing for decades and their fans love it.If these bands were to "re-invent" themselves,their fans would be screaming bloody murder.When something is good,you don't need to mess with the formula.

Good point you made regarding the 'Morris' character.Prince saw the amazing reviews that Morris and Jerome got for their work in 'Purple Rain' and he tried to do the exact same thing with Jerome in 'Under The Cherry Moon' but he fell flat.Like I have said repeatedly,Prince would not have been able to make the Time concept work with just any group of guys.Morris and the guys put alot of their own personality into their image and style.

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TheFreakerFantastic said:

onder505 said:

If I have to work this hard to like a cd then i'm not interested. I know what I like, I listen to music carefully. yes there are cds that grow on you, Gaslight is not one of them. The cd is forgettable and boring and nothing special. I'm happy that you enjoy it though.

If all you do is 2 listens to new music then you must have a very superficial relationship with music. Some of Prince's best work took me quite a few listens to like such as Lovesexy...The Black Album etc...if I just had two listens I would have given up and said I didn't like them. Compare 20ten with Gaslight.....can u seriously say 20ten is musically better with a straight face? Gaslight streets ahead musically... [Edited 11/24/11 7:27am]

(Bolded part) Yes, 20ten is 'definitely' better than 'Gaslight'. Different strokes for different folks, that's all. Not everyone is going to like the same type music. Now as far as the O7's cd, regardless of my opinion of the current name of their band/same image, I will be purchasing their album this weekend.

[Edited 11/24/11 9:27am]

^ Oh Gosh, 2elijah, please take that back. I thought you were bright and intelligent....

20TEN is a pile of crap (apart from Act Of God)....Gaslight is amazing...

[Edited 11/24/11 9:33am]

2elijah said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

onder505 said: If all you do is 2 listens to new music then you must have a very superficial relationship with music. Some of Prince's best work took me quite a few listens to like such as Lovesexy...The Black Album etc...if I just had two listens I would have given up and said I didn't like them. Compare 20ten with Gaslight.....can u seriously say 20ten is musically better with a straight face? Gaslight streets ahead musically... [Edited 11/24/11 7:27am]

(Bolded part) Yes, 20ten is 'definitely' better than 'Gaslight'. Different strokes for different folks, that's all. Not everyone is going to like the same type music. Now as far as the O7's cd, regardless of my opinion of the current name of their band/same image, I will be purchasing their album this weekend.

[Edited 11/24/11 9:27am]

careful now, you gonna hurt some feelings with that statement!

wonder505 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

onder505 said: If all you do is 2 listens to new music then you must have a very superficial relationship with music. Some of Prince's best work took me quite a few listens to like such as Lovesexy...The Black Album etc...if I just had two listens I would have given up and said I didn't like them. Compare 20ten with Gaslight.....can u seriously say 20ten is musically better with a straight face? Gaslight streets ahead musically... [Edited 11/24/11 7:27am]

So because I listened to Gaslight 2 and a half times, cringing through the third time and don't like the cd, you, a complete a stranger, is going to judge me and my entire music catalog and what I like? that's kind of dumb. no that's really dumb. Yes many cds are growers but in my experience and I like every kind of music, mostly indie, there is always something that draws me back to give the cd another chance. Gaslight is cringeworthy. I DONT LIKE THE CD. Get over it! and take your head out of St. Paul and dem's ass. if you like Gaslight then cool. stop getting your feelings hurt because others dont. and why you keep bringing up 20Ten? what does Prince have to do with anything? Is that what this is about? Praise Gaslight to get a dig at Prince's output?...wow how mature. Again, I am happy you enjoy the cd.

[Edited 11/24/11 9:22am]

Step away from the .org and put Gaslight on repeat for the next few days...then come back...hahah