sextonseven said:

this is the second Anony release? The first being the Prince 84 birthday show?

correct!

I will give this a spin soon, I'm amazed at aal the stuff that eventully turns up around here.

vc40 said:

imo this release doesn't get the attention or praise it deserves, just because it isn't a Prince-bootleg.

But in terms of setlist and historical value, I think this almost matches the first Anony release.

I agree! This release is tha SHIT!!!! I've been jamming to it every day, and there's something ultra funky about their performance of Wild & Loose! Maybe because it's just coming out of the collection hat skit they did, which was funny as hell!

Either way, this is just a terrific release!

Bootleg Review: The Time "The Bird: First Avenue - Oct. '83"

http://mikea7.typepad.com...t-83-.html

A lot had changed for The Time in 1983. Despite the fact they enjoyed tremendous success with their first two albums, they were essentially written, recorded and produced by Prince. Although they became an extremely tight live band, often upstaging Prince when opening for him and building a devoted fan base of their own, resentments and frustrations over their lack of input in the studio, and Morris Day's lack of control over 'his' band started to boil over.

The tipping point seemed to come in the late spring when Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were fired from the group, by Prince no less, for continuing to pursue production and writing work outside of the band. Day felt any appearance of authority over the group he had was shot, and this truly was the beginning of the end for The Time. Keyboardist Monte Moir left the band on his own volition, as a sign of solidarity with Jam and Lewis. With the Purple Rain project on the horizon, Prince set out finding replacements for his biggest protegee band as they were to play a key role in his forthcoming movie.

This brings us to the latest release from 'Anonymous' and the Free Boot Generation label, a soundboard recording of the first show by The Time with their new lineup. The October 4, 1983 concert at First Avenue in Minneapolis served as the debuts of keyboardists Paul Peterson and Mark Cardenas, as well as bassist Rocky Harris. Harris wouldn't even last a couple of months, however. He was late to the first day of shooting on "Purple Rain" and was immediately replaced by Jerry Hubbard.

The show opens with a loose jam as Jerome Benton introduces the new line-up. The introduction of Morris Day seems dragged out, as if he wasn't quite ready to take to the stage. After Day hits the stage the familiar bassline of "777-9311" starts the show. The band battles some awful feedback throughout this song, but the problem is fixed for good after that. The ballad "Girl" follows, and there is no question the band sounds tight, despite the lack of Jam, Lewis and Moir. But the spunk and energy of the Original 7ven as they are now known is definitely missing. You can tell things just aren't the same onstage anymore, and apparently there was obvious tension on display at times during the set.

In addition to this being the premiere of the new line-up, this show is also a must-have as it served as the first public performances of what would become their big hits from "Purple Rain" and the "Ice Cream Castle" album. This show was professionally recorded and the performance of "The Bird" is what was used, albeit over-dubbed and cleaned up in the studio, on the album. The next song in the set, "Jungle Love", appeared on "Ice Cream Castle" in a studio version, but the audio of this live version is what was used in the "Purple Rain" film, again edited, but the basic live tracks were utilized.

The funniest part of the night occurs next when Day sends members of the band into the audience to take up a 'collection' in their hats. As he tells the crowd, "I'll take anything. Money, phone numbers, credit cards. Your mama. You don't want her, put the bitch in the hat, if she'll fit I'll take it." He then gets in some shots at Prince stating, "Now as we all know, brother Prince played here a week or two ago, and from what they tell me, he charged 25 dollars a head. I don't know about you, but I stayed home that night! That's just a little steep! No offense, that's just steep!" He saves his biggest shot for last though, as he asks the band members what they collected in the hats and asks to the crowd, "Prince are you out there, did you give? You TOOK, did you give?" Given Day's frustrations, not only with Prince firing and replacing band members, but with how little money the members of The Time felt they were seeing, it's obvious these weren't just light hearted comments.

The show kicks back in with "Wild And Loose" before an extended, nearly nine minute "Gigolos Get Lonely Too". The main set ends with a rollicking version of "Cool" that has the audience in a frenzy. The band leaves the stage very briefly before returning for the encore that starts with "The Walk", featuring some stellar guitar work by Jesse Johnson. The night closes with the aforementioned debut of "The Bird". Starting with Day asking the stomping crowd, "Hold on, hold on why you all beatin' on shit, what's that mean?", this is the main recording that was used on "Ice Cream Castle". It was trimmed a bit, and certainly worked on before release, but it's essentially what turned up on the album, fascinating to hear within the full concert.

According to the liner notes with this release, and documented in other Prince resources, Morris Day left the stage, some say stormed off, immediately after this performance of "The Bird", skipped the dressing room, went straight to his car and left, leaving the rest of the band behind, confused as to what was going on. Day stuck around for "Purple Rain", but The Time as a band was essentially through even while the movie was being filmed. He had every intention of leaving the Prince camp, and did so, after the movie was finished, fed up with Prince's control, feeling underpaid and undermined.

Once again, another essential document from the history of the Minneapolis Sound and scene has made its way into circulation. I don't know who the Anonymous source is that has made recordings like this, Prince's 1984 birthday show, and numerous rehearsals from this era available this year, but a huge thank you goes out from me and the entire Prince collector community. Credit to those behind Free Boot Generation for their work on cleaning up this recording as well. It is soundboard and sounds great, but keep in mind this is a 28 year old source tape, and you can tell some work had to be done to get this up to the incredible standards FBG have become known for. Yet another essential, historical release for fans and collectors.

-Mike Antonich

Squirrelgrease, thank you very much for announcing these releases on the org and designing some fantastic covers. If the quality of every Anonymous release is as good as the first two, I will download every one.

squirrelgrease said:

Bootleg Review: The Time "The Bird: First Avenue - Oct. '83"

http://mikea7.typepad.com...t-83-.html

A lot had changed for The Time in 1983. Despite the fact they enjoyed tremendous success with their first two albums, they were essentially written, recorded and produced by Prince. Although they became an extremely tight live band, often upstaging Prince when opening for him and building a devoted fan base of their own, resentments and frustrations over their lack of input in the studio, and Morris Day's lack of control over 'his' band started to boil over.

The tipping point seemed to come in the late spring when Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were fired from the group, by Prince no less, for continuing to pursue production and writing work outside of the band. Day felt any appearance of authority over the group he had was shot, and this truly was the beginning of the end for The Time. Keyboardist Monte Moir left the band on his own volition, as a sign of solidarity with Jam and Lewis. With the Purple Rain project on the horizon, Prince set out finding replacements for his biggest protegee band as they were to play a key role in his forthcoming movie.

This brings us to the latest release from 'Anonymous' and the Free Boot Generation label, a soundboard recording of the first show by The Time with their new lineup. The October 4, 1983 concert at First Avenue in Minneapolis served as the debuts of keyboardists Paul Peterson and Mark Cardenas, as well as bassist Rocky Harris. Harris wouldn't even last a couple of months, however. He was late to the first day of shooting on "Purple Rain" and was immediately replaced by Jerry Hubbard.

The show opens with a loose jam as Jerome Benton introduces the new line-up. The introduction of Morris Day seems dragged out, as if he wasn't quite ready to take to the stage. After Day hits the stage the familiar bassline of "777-9311" starts the show. The band battles some awful feedback throughout this song, but the problem is fixed for good after that. The ballad "Girl" follows, and there is no question the band sounds tight, despite the lack of Jam, Lewis and Moir. But the spunk and energy of the Original 7ven as they are now known is definitely missing. You can tell things just aren't the same onstage anymore, and apparently there was obvious tension on display at times during the set.

In addition to this being the premiere of the new line-up, this show is also a must-have as it served as the first public performances of what would become their big hits from "Purple Rain" and the "Ice Cream Castle" album. This show was professionally recorded and the performance of "The Bird" is what was used, albeit over-dubbed and cleaned up in the studio, on the album. The next song in the set, "Jungle Love", appeared on "Ice Cream Castle" in a studio version, but the audio of this live version is what was used in the "Purple Rain" film, again edited, but the basic live tracks were utilized.

The funniest part of the night occurs next when Day sends members of the band into the audience to take up a 'collection' in their hats. As he tells the crowd, "I'll take anything. Money, phone numbers, credit cards. Your mama. You don't want her, put the bitch in the hat, if she'll fit I'll take it." He then gets in some shots at Prince stating, "Now as we all know, brother Prince played here a week or two ago, and from what they tell me, he charged 25 dollars a head. I don't know about you, but I stayed home that night! That's just a little steep! No offense, that's just steep!" He saves his biggest shot for last though, as he asks the band members what they collected in the hats and asks to the crowd, "Prince are you out there, did you give? You TOOK, did you give?" Given Day's frustrations, not only with Prince firing and replacing band members, but with how little money the members of The Time felt they were seeing, it's obvious these weren't just light hearted comments.

The show kicks back in with "Wild And Loose" before an extended, nearly nine minute "Gigolos Get Lonely Too". The main set ends with a rollicking version of "Cool" that has the audience in a frenzy. The band leaves the stage very briefly before returning for the encore that starts with "The Walk", featuring some stellar guitar work by Jesse Johnson. The night closes with the aforementioned debut of "The Bird". Starting with Day asking the stomping crowd, "Hold on, hold on why you all beatin' on shit, what's that mean?", this is the main recording that was used on "Ice Cream Castle". It was trimmed a bit, and certainly worked on before release, but it's essentially what turned up on the album, fascinating to hear within the full concert.

According to the liner notes with this release, and documented in other Prince resources, Morris Day left the stage, some say stormed off, immediately after this performance of "The Bird", skipped the dressing room, went straight to his car and left, leaving the rest of the band behind, confused as to what was going on. Day stuck around for "Purple Rain", but The Time as a band was essentially through even while the movie was being filmed. He had every intention of leaving the Prince camp, and did so, after the movie was finished, fed up with Prince's control, feeling underpaid and undermined.

Once again, another essential document from the history of the Minneapolis Sound and scene has made its way into circulation. I don't know who the Anonymous source is that has made recordings like this, Prince's 1984 birthday show, and numerous rehearsals from this era available this year, but a huge thank you goes out from me and the entire Prince collector community. Credit to those behind Free Boot Generation for their work on cleaning up this recording as well. It is soundboard and sounds great, but keep in mind this is a 28 year old source tape, and you can tell some work had to be done to get this up to the incredible standards FBG have become known for. Yet another essential, historical release for fans and collectors.

-Mike Antonich

Great review by Mike A (anybody else remember him?). It's spot-fuckin'-on!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

squirrelgrease said:

Bootleg Review: The Time "The Bird: First Avenue - Oct. '83"

http://mikea7.typepad.com...t-83-.html

Great review by Mike A (anybody else remember him?). It's spot-fuckin'-on!

Spot on accept for not mentioning that Morris was high out his ass back then.

laurarichardson said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Great review by Mike A (anybody else remember him?). It's spot-fuckin'-on!

Spot on accept for not mentioning that Morris was high out his ass back then.

laurarichardson said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Great review by Mike A (anybody else remember him?). It's spot-fuckin'-on!

Spot on accept for not mentioning that Morris was high out his ass back then.

And what in the hell does that have to do with the concert?? Right. Absolutely nothing, so why would it be mentioned? He got high back in the day. So the fuck what? This show is STILL tha shit!

Some of y'all just keep on tryin' to hate.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

laurarichardson said:

Spot on accept for not mentioning that Morris was high out his ass back then.

And what in the hell does that have to do with the concert?? Right. Absolutely nothing, so why would it be mentioned? He got high back in the day. So the fuck what? This show is STILL tha shit!

Some of y'all just keep on tryin' to hate.

and u just met the queen

L4OATheOriginal said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

And what in the hell does that have to do with the concert?? Right. Absolutely nothing, so why would it be mentioned? He got high back in the day. So the fuck what? This show is STILL tha shit!

Some of y'all just keep on tryin' to hate.

and u just met the queen

So true, dude. So true! Though, she's got a lot of legit contenders for that crown!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

and u just met the queen

So true, dude. So true! Though, she's got a lot of legit contenders for that crown!

u ain't lying

squirrelgrease said:

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Squirrel, that looks like a great release. Thanx for putting it out there and posting the review. Very cool and I hope that there are more of these types of releases over time.

Glad to see that The Time is back together and also still popular in the Prince community.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

laurarichardson said:

Spot on accept for not mentioning that Morris was high out his ass back then.

And what in the hell does that have to do with the concert?? Right. Absolutely nothing, so why would it be mentioned? He got high back in the day. So the fuck what? This show is STILL tha shit!

Some of y'all just keep on tryin' to hate.

Morris ridiculous comments doing the show may have something do with him being high out of his ass. I am sorry that some of you cannot figure this our for yourself because I gurantee if P was saying that same shit and if we knew for sure he was high out his mind you haters would be bringing it up on the regular.

Sounds like it was recorded earlier tonight! Both the recording and the performance are off the hook. Great Job

laurarichardson said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

And what in the hell does that have to do with the concert?? Right. Absolutely nothing, so why would it be mentioned? He got high back in the day. So the fuck what? This show is STILL tha shit!

Some of y'all just keep on tryin' to hate.

Morris ridiculous comments doing the show may have something do with him being high out of his ass. I am sorry that some of you cannot figure this our for yourself because I gurantee if P was saying that same shit and if we knew for sure he was high out his mind you haters would be bringing it up on the regular.

Oh yeah, sure. Morris got in a little quick dig at the almighty God that is Prince, so he MUST'VE been high as a kite. He sure was slurring his words throughout the whole show too, wasn't he? Whew, I'm surprised he could stand up, let alone do a whole show. You're right. How could we have not seen it before??!

laurarichardson said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

And what in the hell does that have to do with the concert?? Right. Absolutely nothing, so why would it be mentioned? He got high back in the day. So the fuck what? This show is STILL tha shit!

Some of y'all just keep on tryin' to hate.

Morris ridiculous comments doing the show may have something do with him being high out of his ass. I am sorry that some of you cannot figure this our for yourself because I gurantee if P was saying that same shit and if we knew for sure he was high out his mind you haters would be bringing it up on the regular.

only hate being thrown up has been by u only. no one that has posted in this thread about this show mentioned anything bout drugs except YOU. prince has done some wrong ass shit 2 all of his employees and musicians but let's not document these FACTS shall we? and if morris was high during this show, so fucking what? but he was so "high" that prince took what morris said that night and placed it on the family's album during the closing of the track mutiny that was about morris in the first place.

sextonseven said:

Squirrelgrease, thank you very much for announcing these releases on the org and designing some fantastic covers. If the quality of every Anonymous release is as good as the first two, I will download every one.

A welcomed addition to my music collection! Great stuff!

^ Thank you both very much for the kind words.

While we're on the subject, Anonymous and some very special friends deserve a huge

My internet download speed is slow as hell, but I will get this recording. I must!

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LOVED the recording. I had mixed emotions as I listened because knowing the backstory made me wonder how much better it would have been if there wasn't tension between Morris & Prince. Great stuff. I just wished that "Jungle Love" was longer and that "My Drawers" was included.

squirrelgrease said:

Bootleg Review: The Time "The Bird: First Avenue - Oct. '83"

He then gets in some shots at Prince stating, "Now as we all know, brother Prince played here a week or two ago, and from what they tell me, he charged 25 dollars a head."

Was Morris referring to the August 3, 1983 show that occurred two months prior to The Time's performance? Or had Prince played at First Ave more recently than that?

duggalolly said:

squirrelgrease said:

Bootleg Review: The Time "The Bird: First Avenue - Oct. '83"

He then gets in some shots at Prince stating, "Now as we all know, brother Prince played here a week or two ago, and from what they tell me, he charged 25 dollars a head."

Was Morris referring to the August 3, 1983 show that occurred two months prior to The Time's performance? Or had Prince played at First Ave more recently than that?

Yeah, it had to be the August 3rd show that Morris was referencing, because it was indeed $25 for general admission. Morris left out the fact that it was a benefit concert, so Prince did give. Of course, Morris was just busting Prince's chops.

You could definitely hear a difference in the band's sound minus the Flyte Tyme guys. The Prince influence is a lot stronger on the group. Just listening to them, particularly Paul, who sounds awful I can see why Morris said fcuk it and quit. That ain't The Time. It's an amazing release though considering the historical impact of The Bird.

funksterr said:

You could definitely hear a difference in the band's sound minus the Flyte Tyme guys. The Prince influence is a lot stronger on the group. Just listening to them, particularly Paul, who sounds awful I can see why Morris said fcuk it and quit. That ain't The Time. It's an amazing release though considering the historical impact of The Bird.

Really? That's a pity, I think this is great. I've actually never bothered with Time bootlegs before this one. Wanna point me towards the name of one?

jaawwnn said:

funksterr said:

You could definitely hear a difference in the band's sound minus the Flyte Tyme guys. The Prince influence is a lot stronger on the group. Just listening to them, particularly Paul, who sounds awful I can see why Morris said fcuk it and quit. That ain't The Time. It's an amazing release though considering the historical impact of The Bird.

Really? That's a pity, I think this is great. I've actually never bothered with Time bootlegs before this one. Wanna point me towards the name of one?

Feb 16th 1982 show at the Roxy. I never knew "The Stick" could sound so good live. The crowd was really into the show too which adds a lot.

jaawwnn said:

funksterr said:

You could definitely hear a difference in the band's sound minus the Flyte Tyme guys. The Prince influence is a lot stronger on the group. Just listening to them, particularly Paul, who sounds awful I can see why Morris said fcuk it and quit. That ain't The Time. It's an amazing release though considering the historical impact of The Bird.

Really? That's a pity, I think this is great. I've actually never bothered with Time bootlegs before this one. Wanna point me towards the name of one?

My favorite right now is the O7 boot from The State Theater in Minneapolis. Also The Time's set in Detroit from the 1999 tour is worth tracking down. I've been hesitant to speak on this particular boot, because it is such an amazing feeling to be in that room, the night they recorded The Bird, and to have that set preeserved in such high quality and available for free is unbelieveable. So the boot itself is spectacular. But the music is notably different than what it was with the original members and I wanted to point that out. In some ways the songs are outstanding and in some other ways they are really bad. Morris had to sense that and I think that is what he and Jesse were referencing on the O7 DVD when discussing why Morris quit the group. Prince was evolving and had The Time not disbanded, listening to this boot, I feel they would have evolved into something vastly different from what they were. And that would not have been a good thing. SO this a special boot without a doubt. It just sounds like the songs are played in such a way that you can hear Prince completely taking over the band.

Finally downloaded the concert. Damn, that was one awesome show! Wish it had gone on an hour longer. Funky as all hell,