Fury said:

MickyDolenz said:

If sales are your criteria, then Lil Wayne is doing way better than The Original 7ven and Prince put together.

True. I was asking because most of his ex- associates are pretty talented folk but none of them really had any enduring success--and by success I mean sales, not personal satisfaction [Edited 10/29/11 15:15pm]

2 exceptions......The Original 7ven (Individual accomplishments) and Wendy & Lisa!!!!

woogiebear said:

Fury said:

MickyDolenz said: True. I was asking because most of his ex- associates are pretty talented folk but none of them really had any enduring success--and by success I mean sales, not personal satisfaction [Edited 10/29/11 15:15pm]

2 exceptions......The Original 7ven (Individual accomplishments) and Wendy & Lisa!!!!

So being a working musician is not enduring success...only album sales make it? You just keep narrowing your criteria to fit your needs

Zannaloaf said:

^^^ They still perform in front of thousands. I know they've done shows as part of a lineup, where there are thousands there. Sheila was a headliner. Good music is still good music, whether it's in a small club, or in an arena.

HonestMan13 said:

funksterr said:

Hmmm.... And why do you care about sales numbers exactly? Looks like a Prince fan is feeling ENVIOUS? How many do they need to sell in your opinion? How many tv appearances do they need to get your respect and support? What about the plastic they made the cd out of? Is the disc BENDY enough for you? Hi hater!

Seriously. You're acting like a "Stella" right now! If you beleive that selling 8000 CDs is doing them damn thing to death then the music industry is really thriving with stellar acts with promising futures. For that matter then Paisley Park must've been a financial success for Warner Brothers beacuse most of the proteges did at least that much is sales. Sales never mattered to me with any artist I support. If the O7 don't sell another CD it's all good cause I already have mine. Actually I bought it twice(iTunes and a hard copy w/DVD) So 2 of that 8000 is from this 'hater' right here! i respect all of the proteges(not just the ones that have issues with Prince). If you need some drama between people you don't even know to whet your musical appetite then I feel sorry for you and any artist you "claim" to support. Now begone!

You keep talking about sales. And ignorantly so, I might add. This ain't 1989. The music industry has changed big time. You are on every thread with something negative to say, but the cd sold enough to DEBUT in the TOP TEN on the r&b chart. Not exactly a failure. Especially given the name change and 20 year hiatus. But you never answered my question... Are you ENVIOUS of O7's success?

Fury said:

Zannaloaf said:

So being a working musician is not enduring success...only album sales make it? You just keep narrowing your criteria to fit your needs

I'm not narrowing the criteria at all. I'm sure most of the ex- associates are leading productive, fulfilling personal and professional lives. But realistically speaking, most of them fairly or unfairly linked to whatever time they spent with Prince. I would think some of them kind of Miss performing in front of thousands of fans at a time Instead of a few hundred. But then again, maybe they're cool with doing their own thing, which is great for them

Wendy and Lisa's music probably reaches the greatest audience of ANY of these guys at this point given the top rated shows they are associated with that play worldwide. St. Paul has toured with Donny Osmond, Kenny Loggins and several others who play to thousands of fans. I believe Susannah has toured with Roger Waters (thousands of fans I would assume) - Sheila E....thousdands of fans through her own shows and with Ringo Starr. I don't think Jimmy and Terry had a lot of time to be touring. Morris and the Time played to some big audiences I would geuss. Lots of various NPG members have played with Cyndi Lauper, Justin Timberlake, and other high profile touring performers. Like I said- Prince is still a great performer- but it is his major label backed early career and whacky utterances to the media that keeps him on the pop radar, not what he is doing musically today.

So who exactly ARE you talking about? Appolonia?

funksterr said:

HonestMan13 said:

Seriously. You're acting like a "Stella" right now! If you beleive that selling 8000 CDs is doing them damn thing to death then the music industry is really thriving with stellar acts with promising futures. For that matter then Paisley Park must've been a financial success for Warner Brothers beacuse most of the proteges did at least that much is sales. Sales never mattered to me with any artist I support. If the O7 don't sell another CD it's all good cause I already have mine. Actually I bought it twice(iTunes and a hard copy w/DVD) So 2 of that 8000 is from this 'hater' right here! i respect all of the proteges(not just the ones that have issues with Prince). If you need some drama between people you don't even know to whet your musical appetite then I feel sorry for you and any artist you "claim" to support. Now begone!

You keep talking about sales. And ignorantly so, I might add. This ain't 1989. The music industry has changed big time. You are on every thread with something negative to say, but the cd sold enough to DEBUT in the TOP TEN on the r&b chart. Not exactly a failure. Especially given the name change and 20 year hiatus. But you never answered my question... Are you ENVIOUS of O7's success?

You implied that I'm an envious Prince fan. If that was the case what would I have to be envious of? Prince's last CD released in the US debuted at number 2. The O7 debuted at number 58. That gives me nothing to be envious of. Also as an individual who is not a musician why or how could I be envious of any artists accomplishments. As a Prince Fan(which you say it like it's a negative thing) I have supported all of his proteges music and seen several of them in concert(Apollonia, Good Question, W&L, Morris Day & The Time, FDeluxe, Tamar etc.) when I could. I don't have to love every track they do or oversell them to everyone because that's not my job. If you like them cool. If you don't like them then that's cool too. Also stating facts that don't support your views is not negativity. If you can't handle the truth then step away from the discussion. When the O7 hit NYC I'll be thereI'll be out to show my suppport. Same as I did for FDeluxe last weekend and same as I did for Prince last winter.

HonestMan13 said:

HonestMan13 said:

funksterr said:

You keep talking about sales. And ignorantly so, I might add. This ain't 1989. The music industry has changed big time. You are on every thread with something negative to say, but the cd sold enough to DEBUT in the TOP TEN on the r&b chart. Not exactly a failure. Especially given the name change and 20 year hiatus. But you never answered my question... Are you ENVIOUS of O7's success?

You implied that I'm an envious Prince fan. If that was the case what would I have to be envious of? Prince's last CD released in the US debuted at number 2. The O7 debuted at number 58. That gives me nothing to be envious of. Also as an individual who is not a musician why or how could I be envious of any artists accomplishments. As a Prince Fan(which you say it like it's a negative thing) I have supported all of his proteges music and seen several of them in concert(Apollonia, Good Question, W&L, Morris Day & The Time, FDeluxe, Tamar etc.) when I could. I don't have to love every track they do or oversell them to everyone because that's not my job. If you like them cool. If you don't like them then that's cool too. Also stating facts that don't support your views is not negativity. If you can't handle the truth then step away from the discussion. When the O7 hit NYC I'll be thereI'll be out to show my suppport. Same as I did for FDeluxe last weekend and same as I did for Prince last winter.

Dude, you went to a fukking GODD QUESTION concert??? Are you serious? There is nothing else more for me to say to you

!!!

The inflamatory title of this thread scared and intrigued me in equal measures, but now it's 4 pages long - did I miss any big lol's or headsmacking stupidity, or can I just jump straight in?

HuMpThAnG said:

SoulAlive said:

How old are you?? Charlie Wilson is the former lead singer of The Gap Band (one of the most popular funk bands of the 80s)!

They probabaly think it's a clothing store

funksterr said:

HonestMan13 said:

Seriously. You're acting like a "Stella" right now! If you beleive that selling 8000 CDs is doing them damn thing to death then the music industry is really thriving with stellar acts with promising futures. For that matter then Paisley Park must've been a financial success for Warner Brothers beacuse most of the proteges did at least that much is sales. Sales never mattered to me with any artist I support. If the O7 don't sell another CD it's all good cause I already have mine. Actually I bought it twice(iTunes and a hard copy w/DVD) So 2 of that 8000 is from this 'hater' right here! i respect all of the proteges(not just the ones that have issues with Prince). If you need some drama between people you don't even know to whet your musical appetite then I feel sorry for you and any artist you "claim" to support. Now begone!

You keep talking about sales. And ignorantly so, I might add. This ain't 1989. The music industry has changed big time. You are on every thread with something negative to say, but the cd sold enough to DEBUT in the TOP TEN on the r&b chart. Not exactly a failure. Especially given the name change and 20 year hiatus. But you never answered my question... Are you ENVIOUS of O7's success?

Sales mean nothing these days.To those folks who keep bringing up sales,consider this: Lil Wayne sells more CDs than Prince does these days.Nuff said Are we to believe that Lil' Wayne is a better artist than Prince? Like I keep saying,the only artists who sell alot of CDs these days are young "hot" artists like Adele,Lil Wayne and Lady Gaga.So,let's just remove sales from the equation,shall we?

Fury said:

Zannaloaf said:

So being a working musician is not enduring success...only album sales make it? You just keep narrowing your criteria to fit your needs

I'm not narrowing the criteria at all. I'm sure most of the ex- associates are leading productive, fulfilling personal and professional lives. But realistically speaking, most of them fairly or unfairly linked to whatever time they spent with Prince. I would think some of them kind of Miss performing in front of thousands of fans at a time Instead of a few hundred. But then again, maybe they're cool with doing their own thing, which is great for them

You're forgetting that many of these people also have families....wives and children.There's more to life than sold-out concerts and record sales Fame isn't all it's cracked up to be,anyway.

SoulAlive said:

Fury said:

Zannaloaf said: I'm not narrowing the criteria at all. I'm sure most of the ex- associates are leading productive, fulfilling personal and professional lives. But realistically speaking, most of them fairly or unfairly linked to whatever time they spent with Prince. I would think some of them kind of Miss performing in front of thousands of fans at a time Instead of a few hundred. But then again, maybe they're cool with doing their own thing, which is great for them

You're forgetting that many of these people also have families....wives and children.There's more to life than sold-out concerts and record sales Fame isn't all it's cracked up to be,anyway.

like morris day has 7 kids from 5 women

funksterr said:

HonestMan13 said:

You implied that I'm an envious Prince fan. If that was the case what would I have to be envious of? Prince's last CD released in the US debuted at number 2. The O7 debuted at number 58. That gives me nothing to be envious of. Also as an individual who is not a musician why or how could I be envious of any artists accomplishments. As a Prince Fan(which you say it like it's a negative thing) I have supported all of his proteges music and seen several of them in concert(Apollonia, Good Question, W&L, Morris Day & The Time, FDeluxe, Tamar etc.) when I could. I don't have to love every track they do or oversell them to everyone because that's not my job. If you like them cool. If you don't like them then that's cool too. Also stating facts that don't support your views is not negativity. If you can't handle the truth then step away from the discussion. When the O7 hit NYC I'll be thereI'll be out to show my suppport. Same as I did for FDeluxe last weekend and same as I did for Prince last winter.

Dude, you went to a fukking GODD QUESTION concert??? Are you serious? There is nothing else more for me to say to you

They opened for Apollonia at the Palladium in NYC.

SoulAlive said:

funksterr said:

You keep talking about sales. And ignorantly so, I might add. This ain't 1989. The music industry has changed big time. You are on every thread with something negative to say, but the cd sold enough to DEBUT in the TOP TEN on the r&b chart. Not exactly a failure. Especially given the name change and 20 year hiatus. But you never answered my question... Are you ENVIOUS of O7's success?

Sales mean nothing these days.To those folks who keep bringing up sales,consider this: Lil Wayne sells more CDs than Prince does these days.Nuff said Are we to believe that Lil' Wayne is a better artist than Prince? Like I keep saying,the only artists who sell alot of CDs these days are young "hot" artists like Adele,Lil Wayne and Lady Gaga.So,let's just remove sales from the equation,shall we?

That's funny. Every time Prince drops a CD he gets critiqued on his distribution and sales on this site. He gets consistently questioned about his 'relevance' in the mainstream of today. If we have to hold him to these standards then it should hold true for all of the associated artists. Sales aren't important to me but they do seem to be a sticking point for a lot of orgers!

I thought sales were only important to some of the folks at MJJC.

HonestMan13 said:

SoulAlive said:

Sales mean nothing these days.To those folks who keep bringing up sales,consider this: Lil Wayne sells more CDs than Prince does these days.Nuff said Are we to believe that Lil' Wayne is a better artist than Prince? Like I keep saying,the only artists who sell alot of CDs these days are young "hot" artists like Adele,Lil Wayne and Lady Gaga.So,let's just remove sales from the equation,shall we?

That's funny. Every time Prince drops a CD he gets critiqued on his distribution and sales on this site. He gets consistently questioned about his 'relevance' in the mainstream of today. If we have to hold him to these standards then it should hold true for all of the associated artists. Sales aren't important to me but they do seem to be a sticking point for a lot of orgers!

So,I guess Lil Wayne is better and more relevent than Prince? Is that what some people here believe? lol.We can't have it both ways.Either sales matter or they don't.And if sales do matter,then Prince and the Original 7ven would be considered commercial has-beens.Do we really wanna go that route?

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SoulAlive said:

I guess Lil Wayne is better and more relevant than Prince?

To a certain generation, he is.

HonestMan13 said:

SoulAlive said:

Sales mean nothing these days.To those folks who keep bringing up sales,consider this: Lil Wayne sells more CDs than Prince does these days.Nuff said Are we to believe that Lil' Wayne is a better artist than Prince? Like I keep saying,the only artists who sell alot of CDs these days are young "hot" artists like Adele,Lil Wayne and Lady Gaga.So,let's just remove sales from the equation,shall we?

That's funny. Every time Prince drops a CD he gets critiqued on his distribution and sales on this site. He gets consistently questioned about his 'relevance' in the mainstream of today. If we have to hold him to these standards then it should hold true for all of the associated artists. Sales aren't important to me but they do seem to be a sticking point for a lot of orgers!

Prince continues to be very relevant in the main stream today

asg said:

HonestMan13 said:

That's funny. Every time Prince drops a CD he gets critiqued on his distribution and sales on this site. He gets consistently questioned about his 'relevance' in the mainstream of today. If we have to hold him to these standards then it should hold true for all of the associated artists. Sales aren't important to me but they do seem to be a sticking point for a lot of orgers!

Prince continues to be very relevant in the main stream today

Prince is still a popular live act but his new music doesn't really appeal to the mainstream.In many ways,he's like the Rolling Stones,The Eagles and Fleetwood Mac....artists who can have successful tours but probably can't get a song into the Top 10 anymore.

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SoulAlive said:

asg said:

Prince continues to be very relevant in the main stream today

Prince is still a popular live act but his new music doesn't really appeal to the mainstream.In many ways,he's like the Rolling Stones,The Eagles and Fleetwood Mac....artists who can have successful tours but probably can't get a song into the Top 10 anymore.

[Edited 11/1/11 14:49pm]

so who from the 80s is popular with new music? who is this person who can get thier songs into top 10 of the H100? name me a few

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SoulAlive said:

In many ways,he's like the Rolling Stones,The Eagles and Fleetwood Mac....artists who can have successful tours but probably can't get a song into the Top 10 anymore.

The Eagles 1st album of new material since 1980 Long Road Out Of Eden was a big seller, and it was only sold in Wal-Mart. I don't think it had any radio hits though. Although there's been some exceptions, Top 40 radio has always been ageist for the most part, even more so now.

asg said:

SoulAlive said:

Prince is still a popular live act but his new music doesn't really appeal to the mainstream.In many ways,he's like the Rolling Stones,The Eagles and Fleetwood Mac....artists who can have successful tours but probably can't get a song into the Top 10 anymore.

[Edited 11/1/11 14:49pm]

so who from the 80s is popular with new music? who is this person who can get thier songs into top 10 of the H100? name me a few

Madonna's last two albums had a Top 10 hit ("Hung Up" in 2005 and "4 Minutes" in 2008).

MickyDolenz said:

SoulAlive said:

In many ways,he's like the Rolling Stones,The Eagles and Fleetwood Mac....artists who can have successful tours but probably can't get a song into the Top 10 anymore.

The Eagles 1st album of new material since 1980 Long Road Out Of Eden was a big seller, and it was only sold in Wal-Mart. I don't think it had any radio hits though. Although there's been some exceptions, Top 40 radio has always been ageist for the most part, even more so now.

Exactly cher is apparently the only one over 50 to score a #1 hit and madonna had a #4 hit thanks in no small part to JT and the songs she released on her own were only reaching #50. In the 80s u had older acts charting in the top 10 the likes of kenny rogers or dolly patton who were mostly country acts. Even the rolling stones had a one off hit b4 a huge tour kick off in the early 90s but that smelled like alot of payola.

How many people in thier 50s reach the top 40 in any given week?

I do think prince is doing great

asg said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Eagles 1st album of new material since 1980 Long Road Out Of Eden was a big seller, and it was only sold in Wal-Mart. I don't think it had any radio hits though. Although there's been some exceptions, Top 40 radio has always been ageist for the most part, even more so now.

Exactly cher is apparently the only one over 50 to score a #1 hit and madonna had a #4 hit thanks in no small part to JT and the songs she released on her own were only reaching #50. In the 80s u had older acts charting in the top 10 the likes of kenny rogers or dolly patton who were mostly country acts. Even the rolling stones had a one off hit b4 a huge tour kick off in the early 90s but that smelled like alot of payola.

How many people in thier 50s reach the top 40 in any given week?

I do think prince is doing great

It was probably MTV that really killed off the older performer on the Top 40. Beforehand, most people only heard the act on the radio and didn't know what they looked like, so age (or looks) was not as much of a factor, but musical style was. There were only TV shows like American Bandstand and they mostly had performers who had a big hit already. Others like Soul Train and Midnight Special came on late at night when many people were asleep already. These programs only came on once a week, so didn't have all day, everyday saturation.

take a look at these guys long chart success:

http://www.billboard.com/artist/u2/chart-history/5928#/artist/u2/chart-history/5928

Or :

In November 2010, Duran Duran announced the worldwide release of their 13th studio album, entitled All You Need Is Now,^[48] that would be released on indie label S-Curve Records. The album was produced by the Grammy Award-winning Mark Ronson and mixed by Spike Stent, and was released exclusively oniTunes on 21 December 2010 and hit the #1 spot on download charts in 15 countries (including the UK).The album entered the UK chart at #11 and the Billboard chart at #29.

just a cursory search...but goes to show it can happen.

Cyndi Lauper....guess what??

In December 2010, Memphis Blues was ranked Billboard's #1 Blues Album of The Year.

^^Blues & jazz are not youth driven like the Top 40 radio hits are. A lot of blues acts are older like B.B. King and Buddy Guy. The blues as a genre rarely generate big sales. Having a #1 blues album is no different than being #1 on the classical chart, it's not relevant to the maintream audience and media. Having an album hit doesn't necessarily translate to hit singles or Top 40 airplay. Acts like Pink Floyd, Rush, Miles Davis, and Black Sabbath were popular for selling albums, but had few or no hit singles.

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