funksterr said:

Age ain't nothing but a number.

Is that so? Johnny Mathis, John Mellencamp, Duran Duran, Dolly Parton, Ringo Starr, Paul McCartney, Hall & Oates, Swing Out Sister, Al Green, B.B. King, and many other older acts still release records. When was the last time they received any airplay for new songs?

asg said:

PurpleChi said:

Exactly. And I'll add to that one. Releasing an album with Bria's cd included, then not allowing her to tour the album, but instead incorporating some of those songs in his own live shows...

I think one can argue that sometimes they do come back in some form. The Time (not the O7) performed with Prince at Coachella in 2008. Wendy and Lisa performed with him in 2006 at the Brit Awards. Wendy has performed with him on several occasions. So yes, some exes do keep ties with Prince. However, I think you'll notice that those who "come back" are those he had ties with at the early stage of his career. He grew up with The Time. So I think the river runs deeper than the stuff we discuss here on the Org.

prince always had rocky relationship with the time unlike sheila E he has strong relationship with her because she is submissive

You're right about Sheila E. being submissive.Unlike the others,Sheila puts up with alot of his his B.S. There was one point in the mid-90s when Prince wouldn't even allow her to come to Paisley Park.He was pissed at her because she chose to remain friends with Gilbert Davison (one of Prince's ex-buddies and former president of Paisley Park Records).More recently,Prince pissed off Sheila and her family by cancelling their opening gig in favor of another tired Larry Graham set.

I bet Prince is a very difficult person to get along with.I doubt that he even has alot of real friends.

asg said:

Zannaloaf said:

Morris? Going back to Prince? um....he'ds BEEN the Time for 23 years on tour. How is that going back to Prince? Bria...you bring her up as an artist??

Time did come back in '90 for graffiti bridge

and Prince should be grateful for that.They nearly ruined their reputations by agreeing to appear in that awful movie

alexnvrmnd777 said:

wonder505 said:

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but have you been to a Prince concert lately? I highly doubt the thousands upon thousands who PACK the house to see Prince NOW, are only members of the Org. Puhleeze. Just because YOU don't care about Prince touring does not mean the rest of the world does not. wishful thinking on your part. I do agree though that I don't understand how the announcement of the tur blows away O7. maybe that is wishful thinking of the person who posted it. who knows.

No, you're absolutely correct! You ARE reading it wrong.

Nah i read it correctly. you were trying to say nobody cares about a Prince tour when factually judging from the number of attendees from his recent concerts states that your comment is obviously pure hateration.

SoulAlive said:

asg said:

Time did come back in '90 for graffiti bridge

and Prince should be grateful for that.They nearly ruined their reputations by agreeing to appear in that awful movie

now that we can agree on haha

MickyDolenz said:

funksterr said:

Age ain't nothing but a number.

Is that so? Johnny Mathis, John Mellencamp, Duran Duran, Dolly Parton, Ringo Starr, Paul McCartney, Hall & Oates, Swing Out Sister, Al Green, B.B. King, and many other older acts still release records. When was the last time they received any airplay for new songs?

There are a lot of reasons for that. A lot of it is the artists themselves have dropped out of the mainstream record promotion game. A star can self-release a great album, but radio is part of the corporate entertainment power structure and you HAVE to play that game to be a part of it. Many GREAT musicians and bands want no part of it. Nothing wrong with that, but age isn't the issue. Al Green had a major label song with Queen Latifah that got some airplay a few years back. Mellencamp had a single that di ok on radio about 5 years ago. It's not impossible.

funksterr said:

MickyDolenz said:

Is that so? Johnny Mathis, John Mellencamp, Duran Duran, Dolly Parton, Ringo Starr, Paul McCartney, Hall & Oates, Swing Out Sister, Al Green, B.B. King, and many other older acts still release records. When was the last time they received any airplay for new songs?

There are a lot of reasons for that. A lot of it is the artists themselves have dropped out of the mainstream record promotion game. A star can self-release a great album, but radio is part of the corporate entertainment power structure and you HAVE to play that game to be a part of it. Many GREAT musicians and bands want no part of it. Nothing wrong with that, but age isn't the issue. Al Green had a major label song with Queen Latifah that got some airplay a few years back. Mellencamp had a single that di ok on radio about 5 years ago. It's not impossible.

The only way to get on a top 40 station is with payola, especially for a song to become a hit. The major labels tend not to sign older acts, as they can't market them to teenagers. Small labels don't have the money or connections of a big label, and so can't afford to pay the stations. Ron Isley and Charlie Wilson sang hooks for rappers and came up with gimmicks (Mr. Biggs, Uncle Charlie) to get airplay, and they recorded songs that sounds like the other stuff on the radio. Tony Bennett & Carlos Santana released duet albums with young popular acts to sell. Also Top 40 only plays certain kinds of songs. You can't have a hit single with zydeco, opera, bluegrass, jazz, polka, blues, folk, pop standards, death metal, etc. If B.B. King or Barry Manilow went around to radio stations, they're not going to play them. The music business is like any other business, there's an age bias. Top 40 is mostly youth driven, and they've always bought acts closer in age to them.

wonder505 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

No, you're absolutely correct! You ARE reading it wrong.

Nah i read it correctly. you were trying to say nobody cares about a Prince tour when factually judging from the number of attendees from his recent concerts states that your comment is obviously pure hateration.

Keep thinking that, buddy .

Ottensen said:

Fury said:

MickyDolenz said: True. I was asking because most of his ex- associates are pretty talented folk but none of them really had any enduring success--and by success I mean sales, not personal satisfaction [Edited 10/29/11 15:15pm]

But many of his ex- employees are doing things in other avenues of the music industry that have nothing to do with cds in the way that we are familiar with. Some are successful in composing film scores, they work as session musicians, producers, songwriters, they write music for commercials and ad campaigns...and they have big ass homes with comfortable lives. From the few people I've known that have worked for him they harbor no feeling towards their ex boss as they're pretty much busy with living their own Post-Prince lives (and living very well). They work not for love of the celebrity spotlight, rather than from their undying love of music. And in running themselves as a business, there's little time to be worried about what ex-colleagues are doing, rather than stability and heir financial security. That's the success most working musicians care about at the end of the day, not necessarily how long the stage lights will be shining in their direction at a celebrity's side.

But OMG, I gotta laugh at the Lil Wayne comment . It just made me feel so old.

Definitely a big co-sign on this statement.

MickyDolenz said:

funksterr said:

There are a lot of reasons for that. A lot of it is the artists themselves have dropped out of the mainstream record promotion game. A star can self-release a great album, but radio is part of the corporate entertainment power structure and you HAVE to play that game to be a part of it. Many GREAT musicians and bands want no part of it. Nothing wrong with that, but age isn't the issue. Al Green had a major label song with Queen Latifah that got some airplay a few years back. Mellencamp had a single that di ok on radio about 5 years ago. It's not impossible.

The only way to get on a top 40 station is with payola, especially for a song to become a hit. The major labels tend not to sign older acts, as they can't market them to teenagers. Small labels don't have the money or connections of a big label, and so can't afford to pay the stations. Ron Isley and Charlie Wilson sang hooks for rappers and came up with gimmicks (Mr. Biggs, Uncle Charlie) to get airplay, and they recorded songs that sounds like the other stuff on the radio. Tony Bennett & Carlos Santana released duet albums with young popular acts to sell. Also Top 40 only plays certain kinds of songs. You can't have a hit single with zydeco, opera, bluegrass, jazz, polka, blues, folk, pop standards, death metal, etc. If B.B. King or Barry Manilow went around to radio stations, they're not going to play them. The music business is like any other business, there's an age bias. Top 40 is mostly youth driven, and they've always bought acts closer in age to them.

I agree with everything you said. But age is more of an issue for a new act than someone who has had success in the business. Culture evolves over time. The act must evolve with it to maintain a prescence on radio. Most acts fumble that transition and release weak product to radio that goes nowhere. Eventually they come back with something better, but at that point are unwilling to start from the bottom and grind it out again. They expect their star power to carry them or they look down on the newest trends (or in some cases overembrace them). It's not age in and of itself.

funksterr said:

MickyDolenz said:

The only way to get on a top 40 station is with payola, especially for a song to become a hit. The major labels tend not to sign older acts, as they can't market them to teenagers. Small labels don't have the money or connections of a big label, and so can't afford to pay the stations. Ron Isley and Charlie Wilson sang hooks for rappers and came up with gimmicks (Mr. Biggs, Uncle Charlie) to get airplay, and they recorded songs that sounds like the other stuff on the radio. Tony Bennett & Carlos Santana released duet albums with young popular acts to sell. Also Top 40 only plays certain kinds of songs. You can't have a hit single with zydeco, opera, bluegrass, jazz, polka, blues, folk, pop standards, death metal, etc. If B.B. King or Barry Manilow went around to radio stations, they're not going to play them. The music business is like any other business, there's an age bias. Top 40 is mostly youth driven, and they've always bought acts closer in age to them.

I agree with everything you said. But age is more of an issue for a new act than someone who has had success in the business. Culture evolves over time. The act must evolve with it to maintain a prescence on radio. Most acts fumble that transition and release weak product to radio that goes nowhere. Eventually they come back with something better, but at that point are unwilling to start from the bottom and grind it out again. They expect their star power to carry them or they look down on the newest trends (or in some cases overembrace them). It's not age in and of itself.

All ur arguements r retarded. what # of songs r by old acts in the top 40 in any given week?

and who the fuck is charlie wilson? i have never heard of him b4 i googled it and they say its some politician. he must not be famous

last time el debarge had a hit was rythm of the nite.

only cher has been lucky to reach #1 into her 60s with beleive but thats more like a fluke and not the norm.

country music was receptive to older acts in the 80s and r still to a certian degree. but most of main stream music is marketed to the teen market.

asg said:

funksterr said:

I agree with everything you said. But age is more of an issue for a new act than someone who has had success in the business. Culture evolves over time. The act must evolve with it to maintain a prescence on radio. Most acts fumble that transition and release weak product to radio that goes nowhere. Eventually they come back with something better, but at that point are unwilling to start from the bottom and grind it out again. They expect their star power to carry them or they look down on the newest trends (or in some cases overembrace them). It's not age in and of itself.

All ur arguements r retarded. what # of songs r by old acts in the top 40 in any given week?

and who the fuck is charlie wilson? i have never heard of him b4 i googled it and they say its some politician. he must not be famous

last time el debarge had a hit was rythm of the nite.

only cher has been lucky to reach #1 into her 60s with beleive but thats more like a fluke and not the norm.

country music was receptive to older acts in the 80s and r still to a certian degree. but most of main stream music is marketed to the teen market.

Fury said:

asg said:

funksterr said:

I agree with everything you said. But age is more of an issue for a new act than someone who has had success in the business. Culture evolves over time. The act must evolve with it to maintain a prescence on radio. Most acts fumble that transition and release weak product to radio that goes nowhere. Eventually they come back with something better, but at that point are unwilling to start from the bottom and grind it out again. They expect their star power to carry them or they look down on the newest trends (or in some cases overembrace them). It's not age in and of itself.

All ur arguements r retarded. what # of songs r by old acts in the top 40 in any given week?

and who the fuck is charlie wilson? i have never heard of him b4 i googled it and they say its some politician. he must not be famous

last time el debarge had a hit was rythm of the nite.

only cher has been lucky to reach #1 into her 60s with beleive but thats more like a fluke and not the norm.

country music was receptive to older acts in the 80s and r still to a certian degree. but most of main stream music is marketed to the teen market.

How old are you?? Charlie Wilson is the former lead singer of The Gap Band (one of the most popular funk bands of the 80s)!

Square1entertainment said:

Fury said:

just wondering...even the ones who are still cool with him are pretty much regarded as ex-somethings. the ex-time just spent last few months hyping their "freedom" cd, and then Prince just kinda announces a canadian tour that pretty much blew that away. fdeluxe is touring the very small club circuit-- just wondering if any of them got an "invitation" to gig in canada, would they go?

[Edited 10/29/11 19:17pm]

I can speak on behalf of fDeluxe and say we would welcome the opportunity to open for Prince. The man is one hell of a performer and we think his fans would get what we do (and let's face it there's 100s of thousands of prince fans who have no idea who fDeluxe/the family is or was). That said we'd also be just as happy to open for other artists whose supporters may get what the band does: from Sade to John Legend and a whole bunch of stuff in between. There is also lot of folks paying clubs and small theaters we are looking to collaborate with too.

And I hope you have the opportunity to. That was one great show in NYC last night! You all are still funky. Please come to Chicago!

asg said:

last time el debarge had a hit was rhythm of the night.

Not an El DeBarge song, that was by the group DeBarge. El has had solo hits after that on the R&B chart like After The Dance, Someone, Real Love, Who's Johnny?, Can't Get Enough, etc. Who's Johnny? also crossed over to pop radio.

Square1entertainment said:

Fury said:

just wondering...even the ones who are still cool with him are pretty much regarded as ex-somethings. the ex-time just spent last few months hyping their "freedom" cd, and then Prince just kinda announces a canadian tour that pretty much blew that away. fdeluxe is touring the very small club circuit-- just wondering if any of them got an "invitation" to gig in canada, would they go?

[Edited 10/29/11 19:17pm]

I can speak on behalf of fDeluxe and say we would welcome the opportunity to open for Prince. The man is one hell of a performer and we think his fans would get what we do (and let's face it there's 100s of thousands of prince fans who have no idea who fDeluxe/the family is or was). That said we'd also be just as happy to open for other artists whose supporters may get what the band does: from Sade to John Legend and a whole bunch of stuff in between. There is also lot of folks paying clubs and small theaters we are looking to collaborate with too.

that is sooooo awesome8-)

asg said:

funksterr said:

I agree with everything you said. But age is more of an issue for a new act than someone who has had success in the business. Culture evolves over time. The act must evolve with it to maintain a prescence on radio. Most acts fumble that transition and release weak product to radio that goes nowhere. Eventually they come back with something better, but at that point are unwilling to start from the bottom and grind it out again. They expect their star power to carry them or they look down on the newest trends (or in some cases overembrace them). It's not age in and of itself.

All ur arguements r retarded. what # of songs r by old acts in the top 40 in any given week?

and who the fuck is charlie wilson? i have never heard of him b4 i googled it and they say its some politician. he must not be famous

last time el debarge had a hit was rythm of the nite.

only cher has been lucky to reach #1 into her 60s with beleive but thats more like a fluke and not the norm.

country music was receptive to older acts in the 80s and r still to a certian degree. but most of main stream music is marketed to the teen market.

If u don't know who Charlie Wilson is, you must either be mighty young, or not familiar with r&b music.
http://unclecharliewilson.com/

Since 2005, he's had some pretty big hits on Adult Urban r&b radio (NOT THE HIP HOP FORMAT).

El Debarge had 2 big hits earlier this year on r&b radio. Both were from his "Second Chance" album. "Lay With You" was a number one on the r&b adult charts for a few weeks in the Spring.

I think Charlie Wilson does pretty well for himself these days. He was on that track "Signs" with Justin Timberlake and Snoop Dogg which was a big hit a few years ago, and just recently appeared on "That's My Bitch" with Jay-Z, Kanye West and La Roux from the Watch The Throne album.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Fury said:

just wondering...even the ones who are still cool with him are pretty much regarded as ex-somethings. the ex-time just spent last few months hyping their "freedom" cd, and then Prince just kinda announces a canadian tour that pretty much blew that away. fdeluxe is touring the very small club circuit-- just wondering if any of them got an "invitation" to gig in canada, would they go?

How on earth did Prince announcing a little Canadian tour "blow away" O7ven and their new CD? That doesn't even make sense. The only people who give a shit about his little tour are people on this site; the same people who seem to be the main ones who bought and raved about O7ven's new CD. And Prince performing the same ol' shit and saying the same ol' lines over and over again doesn't blow away the fact that O7ven just released a kick-ass CD (their first in 21 years). In fact, it doesn't even compare. Prince touring again? Whoopeddy damn doo.

[Edited 10/29/11 13:57pm]

funksterr said:

Fury said:

just wondering...even the ones who are still cool with him are pretty much regarded as ex-somethings. the ex-time just spent last few months hyping their "freedom" cd, and then Prince just kinda announces a canadian tour that pretty much blew that away. fdeluxe is touring the very small club circuit-- just wondering if any of them got an "invitation" to gig in canada, would they go?

The better question is: Are some Prince fans feeling envious that O7 is doing the damn thing to death without Prince?

They've sold 8000 CDs, done one tv appearance, one video and one gig so far. That's hardly doing the damn thing to death! I'm sure once they get rolling it'll be flowing but they're not there yet.

FDeluxe is actually doing better (promotion wise) in my opinion with the shows and meeting the fans and they've been on the road since Gaslight dropped and they're not stopping anytime soon.

Fury said:

i am watching the fdeluxe simulcast-- very Prince-esque feel

They were amazing!

^^^ Great performance. I can't wait until they come to Chicago.

MickyDolenz said:

^^^It's also the songs Prince chooses to perform. If he didn't play any of his 1980's hits, the majority of the audience wouldn't be there. Technically he's a oldies act, but one that draws a big audience, unlike an old doo wop group who might play in a club.

ooohhh...you're in trouble now

it's true, but you're in trouble

SoulAlive said:

asg said:

All ur arguements r retarded. what # of songs r by old acts in the top 40 in any given week?

and who the fuck is charlie wilson? i have never heard of him b4 i googled it and they say its some politician. he must not be famous

last time el debarge had a hit was rythm of the nite.

only cher has been lucky to reach #1 into her 60s with beleive but thats more like a fluke and not the norm.

country music was receptive to older acts in the 80s and r still to a certian degree. but most of main stream music is marketed to the teen market.

How old are you?? Charlie Wilson is the former lead singer of The Gap Band (one of the most popular funk bands of the 80s)!

They probabaly think it's a clothing store

HonestMan13 said:

funksterr said:

The better question is: Are some Prince fans feeling envious that O7 is doing the damn thing to death without Prince?

They've sold 8000 CDs, done one tv appearance, one video and one gig so far. That's hardly doing the damn thing to death! I'm sure once they get rolling it'll be flowing but they're not there yet.

FDeluxe is actually doing better (promotion wise) in my opinion with the shows and meeting the fans and they've been on the road since Gaslight dropped and they're not stopping anytime soon.

Hmmm.... And why do you care about sales numbers exactly? Looks like a Prince fan is feeling ENVIOUS? How many do they need to sell in your opinion? How many tv appearances do they need to get your respect and support? What about the plastic they made the cd out of? Is the disc BENDY enough for you? Hi hater!

HuMpThAnG said:

SoulAlive said:

How old are you?? Charlie Wilson is the former lead singer of The Gap Band (one of the most popular funk bands of the 80s)!

They probabaly think it's a clothing store

babynoz said:

HuMpThAnG said:

They probabaly think it's a clothing store

I bet that's true too!

Fury said:

MickyDolenz said:

If sales are your criteria, then Lil Wayne is doing way better than The Original 7ven and Prince put together.

True. I was asking because most of his ex- associates are pretty talented folk but none of them really had any enduring success--and by success I mean sales, not personal satisfaction [Edited 10/29/11 15:15pm]

EXCEPT........The Original 7ven!!!!!! Individually and Collectively!!!!!

funksterr said:

HonestMan13 said:

They've sold 8000 CDs, done one tv appearance, one video and one gig so far. That's hardly doing the damn thing to death! I'm sure once they get rolling it'll be flowing but they're not there yet.

FDeluxe is actually doing better (promotion wise) in my opinion with the shows and meeting the fans and they've been on the road since Gaslight dropped and they're not stopping anytime soon.

Hmmm.... And why do you care about sales numbers exactly? Looks like a Prince fan is feeling ENVIOUS? How many do they need to sell in your opinion? How many tv appearances do they need to get your respect and support? What about the plastic they made the cd out of? Is the disc BENDY enough for you? Hi hater!

Seriously. You're acting like a "Stella" right now! If you beleive that selling 8000 CDs is doing them damn thing to death then the music industry is really thriving with stellar acts with promising futures. For that matter then Paisley Park must've been a financial success for Warner Brothers beacuse most of the proteges did at least that much is sales. Sales never mattered to me with any artist I support. If the O7 don't sell another CD it's all good cause I already have mine. Actually I bought it twice(iTunes and a hard copy w/DVD) So 2 of that 8000 is from this 'hater' right here! i respect all of the proteges(not just the ones that have issues with Prince). If you need some drama between people you don't even know to whet your musical appetite then I feel sorry for you and any artist you "claim" to support. Now begone!