When the Time were opening for Prince on the '1999' tour and getting rave reviews from the press....are you gonna suggest that Prince was up there playing their entire set? He somehow made himself invisible and played all the music himself? He somehow jumped into Morris' body and did all those dances himself?

softandwet said:

I agree he's not the 'only' reason for the Time's success, though I'd argue he's the biggest reason and perhaps you'd argue it's the people who played the songs live. So we agree on something after all!

The Time were getting rave reviews for their opening slot on the 'Controversy' and '1999' tours.Are you suggesting that Prince somehow jumped into their bodies and played all the music himself? He somehow jumped into Morris' body and did all those dances himself? Surely,you would agree that part of the reason for the Times' success was their outstanding live performances? Are you gonna give Prince all the credit for that too?!

SoulAlive said:

When the Time were opening for Prince on the '1999' tour and getting rave reviews from the press....are you gonna suggest that Prince was up there playing their entire set? He somehow made himself invisible and played all the music himself? He somehow jumped into Morris' body and did all those dances himself?

Of course not but then that is not remotely connected to the joke I made about who not only produced, but also wrote and performed the record and got them the contract and took them on tour!

Anyway, I accept this thread is about The Time live and of course they brought the music alive when playing it live (I like the band!!). I think I've made my point about the studio material of 'The Time' enough times!

You need to watch the DVD that comes with 'Condensate'.Hear the truth from the bandmembers themselves

SoulAlive said:

softandwet said:

I agree he's not the 'only' reason for the Time's success, though I'd argue he's the biggest reason and perhaps you'd argue it's the people who played the songs live. So we agree on something after all!

Surely,you would agree that part of the reason for the Times' success was their outstanding live performances? Are you gonna give Prince all the credit for that too?!

Of course I'd agree but then I've never said that it wasn't. As I said in my previous posts, I'd simply argue that other things were a bigger part of that, but we're going round in circles here and it's getting tedious. I think we've both set out our stalls!

SoulAlive said:

You need to watch the DVD that comes with 'Condensate'.Hear the truth from the bandmembers themselves

softandwet said:

SoulAlive said:

When the Time were opening for Prince on the '1999' tour and getting rave reviews from the press....are you gonna suggest that Prince was up there playing their entire set? He somehow made himself invisible and played all the music himself? He somehow jumped into Morris' body and did all those dances himself?

Of course not but then that is not remotely connected to the joke I made about who not only produced, but also wrote and performed the record and got them the contract and took them on tour!

Anyway, I accept this thread is about The Time live and of course they brought the music alive when playing it live (I like the band!!). I think I've made my point about the studio material of 'The Time' enough times!

you also ignored Dez Dickerson, Lisa Coleman and Morris Days contributions. Just saying..

I saw the triple threat tour. Thanks to my older brother taking me:-D

The Time's musicianship an the party they were selling definately made

an impression on us.

Prince's show was great. It was a totally different. More of an attitude.

This was also before Prince's big crossover, so the show were still predominately R&B fans. Prince was giving the Time most of the R&B as they called it back in the day.

StonedImmaculate said:

Believe me...I feel you.

What I mean to say is Prince did things during his show that slowed down the pace so to speak. "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore" and Lisa's nightly 5 min keyboard interludes...the whole "International Lover" drama...he didn't go out there and just funk it up, whereas the Time did. Prince has never put on an all funk show...that was never his intention. His intention was to be "everything to everyone" and if you weren't on board with the hard rock and piano interludes, oh well.

Prince was trying to take the audience in a different direction.

The Time came to rip the house down...and they did.

Two entirely different shows/experiences.

YESWECAN said:

I saw the triple threat tour. Thanks to my older brother taking me:-D

The Time's musicianship an the party they were selling definately made

an impression on us.

Prince's show was great. It was a totally different. More of an attitude.

This was also before Prince's big crossover, so the show were still predominately R&B fans. Prince was giving the Time most of the R&B as they called it back in the day.

SoulAlive said:

You need to watch the DVD that comes with 'Condensate'.Hear the truth from the bandmembers themselves

thats just one side of the story. what amazed me that after close to 30 years they r still cribbing i thought they would have moved on to much bigger and better things.

softandwet said:

I'm hardly a fanbot.

Anyway, I trust the information on www.princevault.com rather than Morris Day - yes I'm saying he probably was lying to make it sound like he had more involvement rather than admit that he was told what to do in 'his' own band. As Eric Leeds said when Morris complained about not having any say over who was in 'his' band, the fact is it was never Morris' band at all, but Prince's.

Look, I'm not saying The Time aren't talented, far from it, nor am I saying that anybody else could have given the songs so much energy and vitality live, but what I'm trying to say is literally everything you hear on their records except for Morris is Prince (or Jesse on Ice Cream Castle etc). So it's not the same as 'covering' someone's song as it's not like The Bangles who re-recorded the tracks Prince sent, The Time is just Morris dubbed onto Prince's records, taking the vocal cues that Prince wrote for him.

So yes, The Time are great, but I find it bizarre people slagging off Prince (not that you have necessarily done that) and gone on about how great The Time were, as if they weren't a creation that was entirely controlled and written by Prince.

So, somebody from some website is a "more reliable source" than one of the people who were actually there?

Okay.

There is no point in responding. You have made it clear that no matter what anyone says, you are going to believe what you want, be it accurate or not.

You have bought into the fatasy that Prince and WB created and nothing will tear you from your beliefs.

I guess that was Prince "writing, composing, producing and performing" all of those string arrangements and horn parts on all of his records, too?

Oh wait...he plays 26 instruments, right? Was this before or after he invented sliced bread?

I'm gonna let this one go.

No....you're not a fanbot. Not at all.

blaque he doesn't want the chillisauce when the kool aid is just too good!

L4OATheOriginal said:

blaque he doesn't want the chillisauce when the kool aid is just too good!

Sad to say this forum is full of all the haterbots on this site.

asg said:

Sad to say this forum is full of all the haterbots on this site.

No,this forum is filled with Prince fans who also realize that there are other talented artists in the world,too

L4OATheOriginal said:

blaque he doesn't want the chillisauce when the kool aid is just too good!

good one!

asg said:

Sad to say this forum is full of all the haterbots on this site.

With a statement like that I'd love to know how old you are and how long you've been listening to Prince. My guess is that you haven't been since 1978 and probably never saw the shows we are discussing. Just a guess.

Zannaloaf said:

asg said:

Sad to say this forum is full of all the haterbots on this site.

With a statement like that I'd love to know how old you are and how long you've been listening to Prince. My guess is that you haven't been since 1978 and probably never saw the shows we are discussing. Just a guess.

i would say it's more of someone still wearing those shades prince had on in purple rain and can't see past that shades that not everything was rose colored glasses and all that have been in his employment and not anymore are lying. can't bring down the god complex from the mantel and dust it off ya know?

SoulAlive said:

asg said:

Sad to say this forum is full of all the haterbots on this site.

No,this forum is filled with Prince fans who also realize that there are other talented artists in the world,too

So true! Seriously, it's not like Prince has a monopoly on musical talent.

SoulAlive said:

asg said:

Sad to say this forum is full of all the haterbots on this site.

No,this forum is filled with Prince fans who also realize that there are other talented artists in the world,too

OUCH!!! what u said

SoulAlive said:

asg said:

Sad to say this forum is full of all the haterbots on this site.

No,this forum is filled with Prince fans who also realize that there are other talented artists in the world,too

The judge has spoken the truth!

The prince fanbots can't handle the truth

My two cents is that the Time did give prince and his band a run for their money in concert. The soon to be Revolution were a very talented band but arguably, they weren't as talented as the Time.

Prince is one of the best front men in history but its hard for just one person to compete with a whole band. The Time had the whole package. They had the look, they could play their insturments well, and they had great choreography. Prince had all that and then some but it was just him.

I guess it comes down to a persons preference. Some people preferred the Time's 'Cool' type image and sound and some people preferred prince's rebellious 'Rude Boy'/freekish image and sound. I went to the 1999 concert with 5 of my male cousins and 2 thought the Time out performed Prince. As far as the rest of the audience, the guys seemed to dig the Time more and the women seemed to enjoy Prince more. Either way prince deserves most of the credit for making the Time what they were because if it wasn't for him, they wouldn't have had the songs to showcase their talent. It still amazes me how so much talent could have come out of a somewhat small city like Minneapolis.

[Edited 11/19/11 3:40am]

And how did Roger/Zapp do on the tour??

HuMpThAnG said:

And how did Roger/Zapp do on the tour??

More Bounce to the Ounce and Heartbreaker was the hit that summer. So they turned it out as well.

It was a blow out concert!

No dull moments. Honestly I was spoiled since this was my 2nd concert (first was Parliment/Funkadelic) and I thought ALL concerts were as good as this.

Later, I discovered how some concerts had dull acts, boring periods etc.

Like I said, I was spoiled because all 3 bands BROUGHT IT that night.

I think the acts on this show also played a part in people's perception of the Time vs Prince.

Zapp was a funk band, The Time played funk. Prince's previous work was funk but with the release of Controversy, he was playing more like rock/punk rock and less of the RB/funk.

So maybe the audience was more into funk and felt a little put off by new change in Prince's music direction

prodigalfan said:

HuMpThAnG said:

And how did Roger/Zapp do on the tour??

More Bounce to the Ounce and Heartbreaker was the hit that summer. So they turned it out as well.

It was a blow out concert!

No dull moments. Honestly I was spoiled since this was my 2nd concert (first was Parliment/Funkadelic) and I thought ALL concerts were as good as this.

Later, I discovered how some concerts had dull acts, boring periods etc.

Like I said, I was spoiled because all 3 bands BROUGHT IT that night.

I think the acts on this show also played a part in people's perception of the Time vs Prince.

Zapp was a funk band, The Time played funk. Prince's previous work was funk but with the release of Controversy, he was playing more like rock/punk rock and less of the RB/funk.

So maybe the audience was more into funk and felt a little put off by new change in Prince's music direction

And there you have it. Prince brought a knife to a gunfight, and got his azz whooped.

It very clear that prince wanted cross over success and that didnt go well will core funk fans. He could have continued on the funk route but his appeal would be only be limited to a purely black audience. he would have never achieved anything by being in funk

asg said:

It very clear that prince wanted cross over success and that didnt go well will core funk fans. He could have continued on the funk route but his appeal would be only be limited to a purely black audience. he would have never achieved anything by being in funk

And what would've been wrong with that?

HuMpThAnG said:

asg said:

It very clear that prince wanted cross over success and that didnt go well will core funk fans. He could have continued on the funk route but his appeal would be only be limited to a purely black audience. he would have never achieved anything by being in funk

And what would've been wrong with that?

prince wouldnt be famous and all the strip clubs wouldnt know what to play