The excitement level for the Time was off the chart and yes, even Prince had a hard time following that up. He created a monster and he knew it, had he not felt that way he would have not taken them off the bill in ANY city. So hard for the Prince fans to imagine that, but I seen the tour, and they were absolutely flawless. Where as Prince would lose the crowd from time to time in his set with long piano segments with too much talking. The Time couldn't fuck with Prince and the band though on cuts like D.M.S.R and 1999 though. Either way, everyone leaving those shows seen the best of the best and get this...for $12.50. lol

BlaqueKnight said:

Astasheiks said:

Interesting you said "their music" which was actually Prince's music since he wrote it.

Well, Prince wasn't on stage playing the music, was he? (except for that one time )

People loved The Time live. They brought a vibe of musical comradery that Prince and The Revolution just didn't have. Prince's music was good but live, his show and what The Time did were completely different.

I think that's the point, BlaqueKnight, most of Prince's music is different from that of The Time (even the music HE wrote for them) and people who went to the shows back them seemed to like one or the other. I'm not sure I would blame him (or anyone) for taking them off the tour, if indeed that's what happened, because YOUR tour is to promote YOU! By then, they should have been able to stand on their own. If they couldn't, or didn't, that was on them.

Prince later admitted that the Time were the only band that he was afraid of."They were becoming like Godzilla",he said.

NewPowerSista said:

NewPowerSista said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Well, Prince wasn't on stage playing the music, was he? (except for that one time )

People loved The Time live. They brought a vibe of musical comradery that Prince and The Revolution just didn't have. Prince's music was good but live, his show and what The Time did were completely different.

I think that's the point, BlaqueKnight, most of Prince's music is different from that of The Time (even the music HE wrote for them) and people who went to the shows back them seemed to like one or the other. I'm not sure I would blame him (or anyone) for taking them off the tour, if indeed that's what happened, because YOUR tour is to promote YOU! By then, they should have been able to stand on their own. If they couldn't, or didn't, that was on them.

I don't think Prince would LET them.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

NewPowerSista said:

I think that's the point, BlaqueKnight, most of Prince's music is different from that of The Time (even the music HE wrote for them) and people who went to the shows back them seemed to like one or the other. I'm not sure I would blame him (or anyone) for taking them off the tour, if indeed that's what happened, because YOUR tour is to promote YOU! By then, they should have been able to stand on their own. If they couldn't, or didn't, that was on them.

But HE was the T8ime wasn't he? Technically he was still being promoted, the Time was under his umbrella. He should have embraced them and after 1999 Tor they could tour on their own with other artist.

First off, business is business. They were all on the same label and they were all associated. What's good for one was good for all. It was IN NO WAY AT ALL in his best interest to not have them on the tour for all of the dates. As LBC said, he should have embraced them all of the time, not just when it suited him. He can't control who people like and don't like. His ego couldn't stand the competition. He may have SAID The Time was the only band he was scared of, but that is probably a lie. I think any band that would garner a large amount of attention would have shaken him up. Prince and The Time weren't the best acts going in the early 80s, they were just popular at the moment. There were a lot of talented acts on the road doing their thing back then.

The reviews on his shows were mixed because his show arrangements were inconsistent and would sometimes take people out of the moment, while The Time would get on stage, give 'em hell, do a couple of slow numbers and give 'em hell again on the way out of the door with fans still wanting an encore.

And no, he was not The Time. That's like saying Timbaland is Missy Elliot AND Ginuwine because he produced their tracks.

Also, the band wasn't on the stage pantomiming with their instruments, they were playing. Back then, concerts were more important than they are now. There was no twitter (which is good), no youtube and there was not so much access to artists. There weren't so many cameras. Concerts were the fans' most direct connection with an artist and access only happened when that artist came to town. THEY created the live energy that people enjoyed, not Prince. Prince may have wrote the songs but when the band hit the stage, it was on them to put it down...and they did.

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Easy answer. Yes... the were.

BlaqueKnight said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

NewPowerSista said: But HE was the T8ime wasn't he? Technically he was still being promoted, the Time was under his umbrella. He should have embraced them and after 1999 Tor they could tour on their own with other artist.

First off, business is business. They were all on the same label and they were all associated. What's good for one was good for all. It was IN NO WAY AT ALL in his best interest to not have them on the tour for all of the dates. As LBC said, he should have embraced them all of the time, not just when it suited him. He can't control who people like and don't like. His ego couldn't stand the competition. He may have SAID The Time was the only band he was scared of, but that is probably a lie. I think any band that would garner a large amount of attention would have shaken him up. Prince and The Time weren't the best acts going in the early 80s, they were just popular at the moment. There were a lot of talented acts on the road doing their thing back then.

The reviews on his shows were mixed because his show arrangements were inconsistent and would sometimes take people out of the moment, while The Time would get on stage, give 'em hell, do a couple of slow numbers and give 'em hell again on the way out of the door with fans still wanting an encore.

And no, he was not The Time. That's like saying Timbaland is Missy Elliot AND Ginuwine because he produced their tracks.

Also, the band wasn't on the stage pantomiming with their instruments, they were playing. Back then, concerts were more important than they are now. There was no twitter (which is good), no youtube and there was not so much access to artists. There weren't so many cameras. Concerts were the fans' most direct connection with an artist and access only happened when that artist came to town. THEY created the live energy that people enjoyed, not Prince. Prince may have wrote the songs but when the band hit the stage, it was on them to put it down...and they did.

Exactly.I don't understand why people keep saying that "Prince WAS the Time".Sure,he wrote and produced the songs,but it was the members themselves who brought the concept to life.They got up there onstage,played the instruments,sang the songs and created the live energy that drove the fans crazy.It takes more than one person to create a successful band.It's a team effort.Prince wouldn't have been able to bring this concept to life with just any group of musicians.The Time members are extremely talented.

SoulAlive said:

Exactly.I don't understand why people keep saying that "Prince WAS the Time".

I think it's not just that he wrote and produced, but that he also played. The only member of the The Time on any of the first three albums is Morris Day, singing the prompts he was given by Prince, and Jesse Johnson playing lead guitar on Ice Cream Castles.

The rest was all Prince, so when people talk about The Time they were the frontmen for Prince's music. As you say, they were incredibly talented and I think it's a tragedy that Prince was so insecure and mean to them that he couldn't let them take their career on, particularly as with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis they had a couple of very able songwriters.

But ultimately, when someone listens to a Time album they're listening to Prince - Prince's instruments, Prince's lyrics even his vocal cues, so it's not difficult to see why people think The Original 7even is really The Original 1ne.

softandwet said:

SoulAlive said:

Exactly.I don't understand why people keep saying that "Prince WAS the Time".

I think it's not just that he wrote and produced, but that he also played. The only member of the The Time on any of the first three albums is Morris Day, singing the prompts he was given by Prince, and Jesse Johnson playing lead guitar on Ice Cream Castles.

The rest was all Prince, so when people talk about The Time they were the frontmen for Prince's music. As you say, they were incredibly talented and I think it's a tragedy that Prince was so insecure and mean to them that he couldn't let them take their career on, particularly as with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis they had a couple of very able songwriters.

But ultimately, when someone listens to a Time album they're listening to Prince - Prince's instruments, Prince's lyrics even his vocal cues, so it's not difficult to see why people think The Original 7even is really The Original 1ne.

Yeah,I know he played almost everything on the records and he wrote the songs.But,when people saw The Time in concert,they weren't seeing Prince....they were seeing a group of talented musicians singing,playing,dancing and bringing the concept to life.It took their individual talents to make the whole thing work.Prince could not have pulled this off with just any group of musicians.Look at the other bands he put together after the Time broke up in 1984....Mazarati,The Family,etc.None of them went as far as The Time did and there's a reason for that.

Just 'cos they brought it to life live doesn't mean everything - they were playing Prince's music! Playing his notes! As I say - I'm not saying they weren't sh*t hot live, just that I think it's understandable why people consider Prince, 'The Time'.

Ultimately, when you listen to an album by The Time, you're listening to Prince doing everything except sing. The rest of the band have nothing to do with it. They played it live and they played it well and I understand why they consider it 'their' music, and other musicians may not have been able to reproduce that MPLS sound that Prince did as well as they could and can. But still...it's Prince's music!

As for Mazerati, I didn't think Prince put them together and The Family were never even toured or promoted as they went to film Under The Cherry Moon. Personally I feel 'their' album is a lot stronger and more consistent than 'The Time' albums, which have some awesome songs but feel a tad patchy.

That was the one problem with being a Prince protege: Prince doesn't recognize and nurture your own talents,so he tries to take control of your project.But after awhile,that becomes an unpleasant situation.

softandwet said:

Just 'cos they brought it to life live doesn't mean everything - they were playing Prince's music! Playing his notes! As I say - I'm not saying they weren't sh*t hot live, just that I think it's understandable why people consider Prince, 'The Time'.

Ultimately, when you listen to an album by The Time, you're listening to Prince doing everything except sing. The rest of the band have nothing to do with it. They played it live and they played it well and I understand why they consider it 'their' music, and other musicians may not have been able to reproduce that MPLS sound that Prince did as well as they could and can. But still...it's Prince's music!

As for Mazerati, I didn't think Prince put them together and The Family were never even toured or promoted as they went to film Under The Cherry Moon. Personally I feel 'their' album is a lot stronger and more consistent than 'The Time' albums, which have some awesome songs but feel a tad patchy.

Yes,I know it was Prince's music but using your logic,bands that didn't write their own songs were no good.Are you gonna say that The Temptations were no good? What about The Supremes? Those artists didn't write and produce their own material,either,but they're still considered Motown legends.As I said before,it takes more than one person to create a successful band.Even with the great tunes that Prince composed for them,the whole concept would not have worked with just any group of guys.Morris' pimp persona was one of a kind and the other guys (Jesse,Jimmy,Terry) brought alot to the table too.

SoulAlive said:

softandwet said:

Just 'cos they brought it to life live doesn't mean everything - they were playing Prince's music! Playing his notes! As I say - I'm not saying they weren't sh*t hot live, just that I think it's understandable why people consider Prince, 'The Time'.

Ultimately, when you listen to an album by The Time, you're listening to Prince doing everything except sing. The rest of the band have nothing to do with it. They played it live and they played it well and I understand why they consider it 'their' music, and other musicians may not have been able to reproduce that MPLS sound that Prince did as well as they could and can. But still...it's Prince's music!

As for Mazerati, I didn't think Prince put them together and The Family were never even toured or promoted as they went to film Under The Cherry Moon. Personally I feel 'their' album is a lot stronger and more consistent than 'The Time' albums, which have some awesome songs but feel a tad patchy.

Yes,I know it was Prince's music but using your logic,bands that didn't write their own songs were no good.Are you gonna say that The Temptations were no good? What about The Supremes? Those artists didn't write and produce their own material,either,but they're still considered Motown legends.As I said before,it takes more than one person to create a successful band.Even with the great tunes that Prince composed for them,the whole concept would not have worked with just any group of guys.Morris' pimp persona was one of a kind and the other guys (Jesse,Jimmy,Terry) brought alot to the table too.

what i'm finding so damn funny these last past weeks is everytime The Time/O7 is being praised 4 their talents, then some will try and raise Prince higher than the talents of these great musicans. never has anyone said that prince isn't equally talented but u bring up valid points that are being twisted instead of the FACTS in evidence. The Time and Sheila E are the only proteges EVER that can stand alone beside Prince. As for fame the only protege was Carmen but she didn't do it on her musical talent hell no! One thing that is evident about each and every single member of the time is that after leaving prince's camp, they stood on their own and had success, some greater than others, but monte moir wrote the hit for janet in the pleasure principal and other R and B songs for other artists.

but again i will say this, if the Time wasn't kicking the shit out of prince on stage, then not one critic would have mentioned "don't be late cause u got 2 see the time live!" yes the music was written by prince but hmmmm why was the time kicked off the bill in certain cities? couldn't have been because they sucked! if u look at the footage of vanity 6, take away the music and their show was garbage! oh wait who was doing the music for them? THE MOTHEFUCKING TIME!

softandwet said:

Just 'cos they brought it to life live doesn't mean everything - they were playing Prince's music! Playing his notes! As I say - I'm not saying they weren't sh*t hot live, just that I think it's understandable why people consider Prince, 'The Time'.

Ultimately, when you listen to an album by The Time, you're listening to Prince doing everything except sing. The rest of the band have nothing to do with it. They played it live and they played it well and I understand why they consider it 'their' music, and other musicians may not have been able to reproduce that MPLS sound that Prince did as well as they could and can. But still...it's Prince's music!

As for Mazerati, I didn't think Prince put them together and The Family were never even toured or promoted as they went to film Under The Cherry Moon. Personally I feel 'their' album is a lot stronger and more consistent than 'The Time' albums, which have some awesome songs but feel a tad patchy.

Mazarati was Brown Mark's project...period. Prince kicked in one song; 100mph.

Morris said he played drums on those records. So you are saying Morris is lying?

Andre also said at one point that he played on a couple of things that ended up becoming Time records. I guess they are all lying? Okay, let's just say they are.

By your INSANE logic, everyone who has ever covered a song written by someone else is irrelevant. Michael Jackson is actually The Beatles when he does "Come Together". Missy Elliot is actually Timbaland. He played the tracks. That makes her HIM.

Fanbots crack me up. Nobody has questioned Prince's abilities but he is not the only musician in the world. I know some of you who only listen to "Prince music" have fooled yourselves into believing otherwise but there are a lot of artists.

I know for a fact that there were people back in the day who were into The Time but weren't that into Prince. [img:$uid]http://www.siouxcountry.com/images/smilies/shocked2.gif[/img:$uid] Shocking? But, but, but...how can that be? Its true. It doesn't take away from Prince's writing credits but it certainly does dismiss the fanbotic notion that "Prince was The Time". As a matter of fact, the very fact that Morris is singing on the records contradicts that.

[Edited 11/10/11 13:52pm]

BlaqueKnight said:

softandwet said:

Just 'cos they brought it to life live doesn't mean everything - they were playing Prince's music! Playing his notes! As I say - I'm not saying they weren't sh*t hot live, just that I think it's understandable why people consider Prince, 'The Time'.

Ultimately, when you listen to an album by The Time, you're listening to Prince doing everything except sing. The rest of the band have nothing to do with it. They played it live and they played it well and I understand why they consider it 'their' music, and other musicians may not have been able to reproduce that MPLS sound that Prince did as well as they could and can. But still...it's Prince's music!

As for Mazerati, I didn't think Prince put them together and The Family were never even toured or promoted as they went to film Under The Cherry Moon. Personally I feel 'their' album is a lot stronger and more consistent than 'The Time' albums, which have some awesome songs but feel a tad patchy.

Mazarati was Brown Mark's project...period. Prince kicked in one song; 100mph.

Morris said he played drums on those records. So you are saying Morris is lying?

Andre also said at one point that he played on a couple of things that ended up becoming Time records. I guess they are all lying? Okay, let's just say they are.

By your INSANE logic, everyone who has ever covered a song written by someone else is irrelevant. Michael Jackson is actually The Beatles when he does "Come Together". Timbaland is actually Missy Elliot. He played the tracks. That makes her HIM.

Fanbots crack me up. Nobody has questioned Prince's abilities but he is not the only musician in the world. I know some of you who only listen to "Prince music" have fooled yourselves into believing otherwise but there are a lot of artists.

I know for a fact that there were people back in the day who were into The Time but weren't that into Prince. [img:$uid]http://www.siouxcountry.com/images/smilies/shocked2.gif[/img:$uid] Shocking? But, but, but...how can that be? Its true. It doesn't take away from Prince's writing credits but it certainly does dismiss the fanbotic notion that "Prince was The Time". As a matter of fact, the very fact that Morris is singing on the records contradicts that.

mmmmhmmmm

SoulAlive said:

softandwet said:

Just 'cos they brought it to life live doesn't mean everything - they were playing Prince's music! Playing his notes! As I say - I'm not saying they weren't sh*t hot live, just that I think it's understandable why people consider Prince, 'The Time'.

Ultimately, when you listen to an album by The Time, you're listening to Prince doing everything except sing. The rest of the band have nothing to do with it. They played it live and they played it well and I understand why they consider it 'their' music, and other musicians may not have been able to reproduce that MPLS sound that Prince did as well as they could and can. But still...it's Prince's music!

As for Mazerati, I didn't think Prince put them together and The Family were never even toured or promoted as they went to film Under The Cherry Moon. Personally I feel 'their' album is a lot stronger and more consistent than 'The Time' albums, which have some awesome songs but feel a tad patchy.

Yes,I know it was Prince's music but using your logic,bands that didn't write their own songs were no good.Are you gonna say that The Temptations were no good? What about The Supremes? Those artists didn't write and produce their own material,either,but they're still considered Motown legends.As I said before,it takes more than one person to create a successful band.Even with the great tunes that Prince composed for them,the whole concept would not have worked with just any group of guys.Morris' pimp persona was one of a kind and the other guys (Jesse,Jimmy,Terry) brought alot to the table too.

Same thing with Gamble and Huff and the Sound of Philadelphia. There's a wealth of extremely talented artists who didn't write all of their own material. I'm surprised that people don't know this because it isn't at all unusual.

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L4OATheOriginal said:

SoulAlive said:

Yes,I know it was Prince's music but using your logic,bands that didn't write their own songs were no good.Are you gonna say that The Temptations were no good? What about The Supremes? Those artists didn't write and produce their own material,either,but they're still considered Motown legends.As I said before,it takes more than one person to create a successful band.Even with the great tunes that Prince composed for them,the whole concept would not have worked with just any group of guys.Morris' pimp persona was one of a kind and the other guys (Jesse,Jimmy,Terry) brought alot to the table too.

what i'm finding so damn funny these last past weeks is everytime The Time/O7 is being praised 4 their talents, then some will try and raise Prince higher than the talents of these great musicans. never has anyone said that prince isn't equally talented but u bring up valid points that are being twisted instead of the FACTS in evidence. The Time and Sheila E are the only proteges EVER that can stand alone beside Prince. As for fame the only protege was Carmen but she didn't do it on her musical talent hell no! One thing that is evident about each and every single member of the time is that after leaving prince's camp, they stood on their own and had success, some greater than others, but monte moir wrote the hit for janet in the pleasure principal and other R and B songs for other artists.

but again i will say this, if the Time wasn't kicking the shit out of prince on stage, then not one critic would have mentioned "don't be late cause u got 2 see the time live!" yes the music was written by prince but hmmmm why was the time kicked off the bill in certain cities? couldn't have been because they sucked! if u look at the footage of vanity 6, take away the music and their show was garbage! oh wait who was doing the music for them? THE MOTHEFUCKING TIME!

Exactly.The guys in The Time were not just a group of untalented puppets and their success was not solely because of Prince.The fact that these guys had some success after they left the Prince camp and went their separate ways,proves that they have talent of their own.Notice that,after they broke up,Prince kept trying to create a protege band that would have the same impact but it didn't work.He soon found out that it's not easy to replace guys like Morris and Jesse.

I saw the 1999 tour in Detroit and The Time pretty much blew Prince off the stage. The Time were just too intesnse and funky for the Revolution to keep up. If Prince was smarter he would have let The Time headline their own tour. It would have meant more money for everybody

^

right.

I saw the Time in Toledo for the Controversy tour. They stole the show. Seriously. The rocked that place out. Standing room only on the floor seats.

hard hitting funk, heart thumping bass. Couldn't be beat.

They were THE band that summer of 1982. They had hit after hit in R&B. Even ones that most don't talk about...

The Stick

Girl....

C-O-O-L.... what's that spell???

these all got HEAVY radio play. You heard it blasting from cars day and night in the hoods.

Interesting thread

prodigalfan said:

^

right.

I saw the Time in Toledo for the Controversy tour. They stole the show. Seriously. The rocked that place out. Standing room only on the floor seats.

hard hitting funk, heart thumping bass. Couldn't be beat.

They were THE band that summer of 1982. They had hit after hit in R&B. Even ones that most don't talk about...

The Stick

Girl....

C-O-O-L.... what's that spell???

these all got HEAVY radio play. You heard it blasting from cars day and night in the hoods.

"in the hoods" explains it all. Remember...Prince was in the PROCESS of crossing over, and even though more white folks started flocking to his shows as the 1999 tour progressed, the brothas and sistas were still there in full force. To them (brothas and sistas) The Time destroyed Prince because they put on a straight FUNK show. Most of the brothas tolerated Prince's rock and weirdo stuff, but they came to hear the funk...and that's what the Time delivered.

It would be different if they both put on straight funk shows...then you could compare and see who turned out who. But the shows were completely different so the comparisons are moot IMO.

StonedImmaculate said:

prodigalfan said:

^

right.

I saw the Time in Toledo for the Controversy tour. They stole the show. Seriously. The rocked that place out. Standing room only on the floor seats.

hard hitting funk, heart thumping bass. Couldn't be beat.

They were THE band that summer of 1982. They had hit after hit in R&B. Even ones that most don't talk about...

The Stick

Girl....

C-O-O-L.... what's that spell???

these all got HEAVY radio play. You heard it blasting from cars day and night in the hoods.

"in the hoods" explains it all. Remember...Prince was in the PROCESS of crossing over, and even though more white folks started flocking to his shows as the 1999 tour progressed, the brothas and sistas were still there in full force. To them (brothas and sistas) The Time destroyed Prince because they put on a straight FUNK show. Most of the brothas tolerated Prince's rock and weirdo stuff, but they came to hear the funk...and that's what the Time delivered.

It would be different if they both put on straight funk shows...then you could compare and see who turned out who. But the shows were completely different so the comparisons are moot IMO.

So I guess when people compare Prince with Rick James in the Fire it up tour, and state that Prince was blowing Rick up, then that comparision shouldn't matter as well, since they were playing different genres.

And if you say that Prince was playing more funk then so therefore the comparison is relevant... then I challenge the statement that the Time was playing different music than Prince. After all, only one album came out between the 2 tours. Dirty mind was released in 1980, the Fire it up tour, and Controversy was out for the Time/Prince Controversy tour. Not that many NEW songs in Prince's catalog to constitute such a change that the Time and Prince could not be compared to each other.

Believe me...I feel you.

What I mean to say is Prince did things during his show that slowed down the pace so to speak. "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore" and Lisa's nightly 5 min keyboard interludes...the whole "International Lover" drama...he didn't go out there and just funk it up, whereas the Time did. Prince has never put on an all funk show...that was never his intention. His intention was to be "everything to everyone" and if you weren't on board with the hard rock and piano interludes, oh well.

Prince was trying to take the audience in a different direction.

The Time came to rip the house down...and they did.

Two entirely different shows/experiences.

StonedImmaculate said:

Believe me...I feel you.

What I mean to say is Prince did things during his show that slowed down the pace so to speak. "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore" and Lisa's nightly 5 min keyboard interludes...the whole "International Lover" drama...he didn't go out there and just funk it up, whereas the Time did. Prince has never put on an all funk show...that was never his intention. His intention was to be "everything to everyone" and if you weren't on board with the hard rock and piano interludes, oh well.

Prince was trying to take the audience in a different direction.

The Time came to rip the house down...and they did.

Two entirely different shows/experiences.

Your last sentence is what I've been thinking all along. I never even thought of them being in competition because I saw it as you said, "Two entirely different shows/experiences." Thank you for putting it so succinctly. I mean that!

BlaqueKnight said:

softandwet said:

Just 'cos they brought it to life live doesn't mean everything - they were playing Prince's music! Playing his notes! As I say - I'm not saying they weren't sh*t hot live, just that I think it's understandable why people consider Prince, 'The Time'.

Ultimately, when you listen to an album by The Time, you're listening to Prince doing everything except sing. The rest of the band have nothing to do with it. They played it live and they played it well and I understand why they consider it 'their' music, and other musicians may not have been able to reproduce that MPLS sound that Prince did as well as they could and can. But still...it's Prince's music!

As for Mazerati, I didn't think Prince put them together and The Family were never even toured or promoted as they went to film Under The Cherry Moon. Personally I feel 'their' album is a lot stronger and more consistent than 'The Time' albums, which have some awesome songs but feel a tad patchy.

Mazarati was Brown Mark's project...period. Prince kicked in one song; 100mph.

Morris said he played drums on those records. So you are saying Morris is lying?

Andre also said at one point that he played on a couple of things that ended up becoming Time records. I guess they are all lying? Okay, let's just say they are.

By your INSANE logic, everyone who has ever covered a song written by someone else is irrelevant. Michael Jackson is actually The Beatles when he does "Come Together". Missy Elliot is actually Timbaland. He played the tracks. That makes her HIM.

Fanbots crack me up. Nobody has questioned Prince's abilities but he is not the only musician in the world. I know some of you who only listen to "Prince music" have fooled yourselves into believing otherwise but there are a lot of artists.

I know for a fact that there were people back in the day who were into The Time but weren't that into Prince. [img:$uid]http://www.siouxcountry.com/images/smilies/shocked2.gif[/img:$uid] Shocking? But, but, but...how can that be? Its true. It doesn't take away from Prince's writing credits but it certainly does dismiss the fanbotic notion that "Prince was The Time". As a matter of fact, the very fact that Morris is singing on the records contradicts that.

[Edited 11/10/11 13:52pm]

I'm hardly a fanbot.

Anyway, I trust the information on www.princevault.com rather than Morris Day - yes I'm saying he probably was lying to make it sound like he had more involvement rather than admit that he was told what to do in 'his' own band. As Eric Leeds said when Morris complained about not having any say over who was in 'his' band, the fact is it was never Morris' band at all, but Prince's.

Look, I'm not saying The Time aren't talented, far from it, nor am I saying that anybody else could have given the songs so much energy and vitality live, but what I'm trying to say is literally everything you hear on their records except for Morris is Prince (or Jesse on Ice Cream Castle etc). So it's not the same as 'covering' someone's song as it's not like The Bangles who re-recorded the tracks Prince sent, The Time is just Morris dubbed onto Prince's records, taking the vocal cues that Prince wrote for him.

So yes, The Time are great, but I find it bizarre people slagging off Prince (not that you have necessarily done that) and gone on about how great The Time were, as if they weren't a creation that was entirely controlled and written by Prince.

softandwet said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Mazarati was Brown Mark's project...period. Prince kicked in one song; 100mph.

Morris said he played drums on those records. So you are saying Morris is lying?

Andre also said at one point that he played on a couple of things that ended up becoming Time records. I guess they are all lying? Okay, let's just say they are.

By your INSANE logic, everyone who has ever covered a song written by someone else is irrelevant. Michael Jackson is actually The Beatles when he does "Come Together". Missy Elliot is actually Timbaland. He played the tracks. That makes her HIM.

Fanbots crack me up. Nobody has questioned Prince's abilities but he is not the only musician in the world. I know some of you who only listen to "Prince music" have fooled yourselves into believing otherwise but there are a lot of artists.

I know for a fact that there were people back in the day who were into The Time but weren't that into Prince. [img:$uid]http://www.siouxcountry.com/images/smilies/shocked2.gif[/img:$uid] Shocking? But, but, but...how can that be? Its true. It doesn't take away from Prince's writing credits but it certainly does dismiss the fanbotic notion that "Prince was The Time". As a matter of fact, the very fact that Morris is singing on the records contradicts that.

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I'm hardly a fanbot.

Anyway, I trust the information on www.princevault.com rather than Morris Day - yes I'm saying he probably was lying to make it sound like he had more involvement rather than admit that he was told what to do in 'his' own band. As Eric Leeds said when Morris complained about not having any say over who was in 'his' band, the fact is it was never Morris' band at all, but Prince's.

Look, I'm not saying The Time aren't talented, far from it, nor am I saying that anybody else could have given the songs so much energy and vitality live, but what I'm trying to say is literally everything you hear on their records except for Morris is Prince (or Jesse on Ice Cream Castle etc). So it's not the same as 'covering' someone's song as it's not like The Bangles who re-recorded the tracks Prince sent, The Time is just Morris dubbed onto Prince's records, taking the vocal cues that Prince wrote for him.

So yes, The Time are great, but I find it bizarre people slagging off Prince (not that you have necessarily done that) and gone on about how great The Time were, as if they weren't a creation that was entirely controlled and written by Prince.

No one here is "slagging off Prince" I'm just sick and tired of seeing people try to undermine and underrate the Time members.Prince may have written and produced the songs but he is not the *only* reason why the whole thing worked.He's not the *only* reason why the project was so successful.That's the point I was trying to make.

Well that's fine - though you keep missing out 'performed' - he didn't just write and produce but also performed.

But anyway, I agree he's not the 'only' reason, though I'd argue he's the biggest reason and perhaps you'd argue it's the people who played the songs live. So we agree on something after all!

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softandwet said:

Well that's fine - though you keep missing out 'performed' - he didn't just write and produce but also performed.

But anyway, I agree he's not the 'only' reason, though I'd argue he's the biggest reason and perhaps you'd argue it's the people who played the songs live. So we agree on something after all!

No band becomes successful because of *one* person.Remember that It's always a team effort.That's like saying the O'Jays were only successful because of producers Gamble and Huff.How ridiculous is that?

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SoulAlive said:

softandwet said:

Well that's fine - though you keep missing out 'performed' - he didn't just write and produce but also performed.

But anyway, I agree he's not the 'only' reason, though I'd argue he's the biggest reason and perhaps you'd argue it's the people who played the songs live. So we agree on something after all!

No band becomes successful because of *one* person.Remember that It's always a team effort.That's like saying the O'Jays were only successful because of producers Gamble and Huff.How ridiculous is that?

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Did those producers write, record and perform on 90% of the material and put together the band and use their existing power to get them a record contract and take them on tour?

Just sayin'! And I'm being firmly tongue in cheek just so you know!