MantuaPharoah said:

... and one more comment.

THIS might be a bit of a stretch, but someone commented on Role Play.

Morris begins the song by saying "Just let your imagination run wild. Play with it."

Just makes you wonder if Morris is inviting us... daring us... tempting us... and almost BEGGING us to get what the group seems to be trying to cleverly say in many of the songs.

Hmmmmmmmmmm........

Might be a stretch, but let's not forget that this CD is 20 years in the making. Alot was suppressed in that time, I'm sure.

Wow

you do realise people are mocking you dont you?

not sure why but this post i find insanely creepy

this is almoast on a par with miss sandollar

what else are you seeing th isnt there??

MantuaPharoah, re: the org note - it was just a joke, a silly gif. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I was just like " , well ok then!"

NouveauDance said:

this dude is 40

how the hell do you find time to obsess over non metaphorical lyrics like you do.....

jonylawson said:

MantuaPharoah said:

... and one more comment.

THIS might be a bit of a stretch, but someone commented on Role Play.

Morris begins the song by saying "Just let your imagination run wild. Play with it."

Just makes you wonder if Morris is inviting us... daring us... tempting us... and almost BEGGING us to get what the group seems to be trying to cleverly say in many of the songs.

Hmmmmmmmmmm........

Might be a stretch, but let's not forget that this CD is 20 years in the making. Alot was suppressed in that time, I'm sure.

Wow

you do realise people are mocking you dont you?

not sure why but this post i find insanely creepy

this is almoast on a par with miss sandollar

what else are you seeing th isnt there??

OMG I need to dig out that thread again

jonylawson said:

MantuaPharoah said:

jonylawson said:

this dude is 40

how the hell do you find time to obsess over non metaphorical lyrics like you do.....

When you have something intelligent to add to this discussion, please feel free to respond again. Thank you.

ROASTED!

MantuaPharoah said:

jonylawson said:

this dude is 40

how the hell do you find time to obsess over non metaphorical lyrics like you do.....

When you have something intelligent to add to this discussion, please feel free to respond again. Thank you.

but its one of THE least intelligent points i have ever read

seriously

jonylawson said:

MantuaPharoah said:

jonylawson said: When you have something intelligent to add to this discussion, please feel free to respond again. Thank you.

but its one of THE least intelligent points i have ever read

seriously

Least intelligent points? I didn't write a "point". But thank you once again for your indepth break down regarding why my "point" is unintelligent. You're deep.

By the way, Little Red Corvette isn't about a Chevrolet.

Just tryin' to help you out.

squirrelgrease said:

ThreadBare said:

He said he could be a girl or boy on We can Funk! he's worn makeup and women's clothing his whole career. The choreography with the male dancers, years ago. It all makes sense. He's the party girl. Thank you.

See your shit starting to come out! We right here. We see eye to eye.

We need to get the rest of the gang on board with this thread.

phunkdaddy said:

ThreadBare said:

He said he could be a girl or boy on We can Funk! he's worn makeup and women's clothing his whole career. The choreography with the male dancers, years ago. It all makes sense. He's the party girl. Thank you.

See your shit starting to come out! We right here. We see eye to eye.

We need to get the rest of the gang on board with this thread.

Phunkdaddy, I'm actually surprised that people aren't writing more here... either out of agreement and SHOCK, or breaking it down to the contrary, and trying to dispel my theory here. This thread is just getting lots of emoticon responses! lol

Maybe the readers are just as shocked, and don't know exactly what to say about what seems to be what the group is doing here. I mean... I'm sure genders get switched on occasion in art and music, to protect "the innocent", so to speak. But in this case, and with Prince... and for The Original 7ven to do this, it's a bit risque to go this route, don't ya think?? lol

But to me, it seems pretty obvious, and downright stunning!! As I broke it down, I couldn't believe how everything just seems to come together to support my case.

I love the song because it seems to tell an interesting story about the forming of the group, and a little of what may be the backstory. But I'm really surprised that Morris, Jimmy and Terry (the writers) would go with "Party GIRL" as verbal content. lol

I'd love to hear them asked about this during a TV interview.

Wow!

Cheers!

[Edited 10/31/11 21:12pm]

MantuaPharoah said:

jonylawson said:

but its one of THE least intelligent points i have ever read

seriously

Least intelligent points? I didn't write a "point". But thank you once again for your indepth break down regarding why my "point" is unintelligent. You're deep.

By the way, Little Red Corvette isn't about a Chevrolet.

Just tryin' to help you out.

dude your 40

get a girlfriend

get some fresh air

its nice in the real world

jonylawson said:

MantuaPharoah said:

Least intelligent points? I didn't write a "point". But thank you once again for your indepth break down regarding why my "point" is unintelligent. You're deep.

By the way, Little Red Corvette isn't about a Chevrolet.

Just tryin' to help you out.

dude your 40

get a girlfriend

get some fresh air

its nice in the real world

For the third time, you fail to write anything intelligent.

And it's "you're" 40. Not "your".

But thanks for contributions here. I guess you did your best.

MantuaPharoah said:

phunkdaddy said:

See your shit starting to come out! We right here. We see eye to eye.

We need to get the rest of the gang on board with this thread.

Phunkdaddy, I'm actually surprised that people aren't writing more here... either out of agreement and SHOCK, or breaking it down to the contrary, and trying to dispel my theory here. This thread is just getting lots of emoticon responses! lol

Maybe the readers are just as shocked, and don't know exactly what to say about what seems to be what the group is doing here. I mean... I'm sure genders get switched on occasion in art and music, to protect "the innocent", so to speak. But in this case, and with Prince... and for The Original 7ven to do this, it's a bit risque to go this route, don't ya think?? lol

But to me, it seems pretty obvious, and downright stunning!! As I broke it down, I couldn't believe how everything just seems to come together to support my case.

I love the song because it seems to tell an interesting story about the forming of the group, and a little of what may be the backstory. But I'm really surprised that Morris, Jimmy and Terry (the writers) would go with "Party GIRL" as verbal content. lol

I'd love to hear them asked about this during a TV interview.

Wow!

Cheers!

[Edited 10/31/11 21:12pm]

It may just be that people looked it over and didn't agree. So no need to argue point by point. Every time it pops up when I play the cd I *try* to see you point (ok- I don't go out of my way- but the thread does pop back into my head). But the fact that they describe a certian type of girl (librarian) coming by after the show during autographs and they specifically cast a girls voice ( as opposed to a dud sounding like a girl) right at the top of the song pretty much kills your theory. You are operating fom a perspective that they are more vague than they are in the lyrics. They are point blank talking about a girl ...NOTHING in the song says otherwise (as opposed to Little Red Corvette that had double meaning throughout- CLEARLY - to anyone who read the lyrics.) It's one thing to read into something that has some possible double meaning, you just tried really hard to match a forced theory to a storyline that is pretty crystal clear and straight forward.

Zannaloaf: nail on head

Zannaloaf said:

MantuaPharoah said:

Phunkdaddy, I'm actually surprised that people aren't writing more here... either out of agreement and SHOCK, or breaking it down to the contrary, and trying to dispel my theory here. This thread is just getting lots of emoticon responses! lol

Maybe the readers are just as shocked, and don't know exactly what to say about what seems to be what the group is doing here. I mean... I'm sure genders get switched on occasion in art and music, to protect "the innocent", so to speak. But in this case, and with Prince... and for The Original 7ven to do this, it's a bit risque to go this route, don't ya think?? lol

But to me, it seems pretty obvious, and downright stunning!! As I broke it down, I couldn't believe how everything just seems to come together to support my case.

I love the song because it seems to tell an interesting story about the forming of the group, and a little of what may be the backstory. But I'm really surprised that Morris, Jimmy and Terry (the writers) would go with "Party GIRL" as verbal content. lol

I'd love to hear them asked about this during a TV interview.

Wow!

Cheers!

[Edited 10/31/11 21:12pm]

It may just be that people looked it over and didn't agree. So no need to argue point by point. Every time it pops up when I play the cd I *try* to see you point (ok- I don't go out of my way- but the thread does pop back into my head). But the fact that they describe a certian type of girl (librarian) coming by after the show during autographs and they specifically cast a girls voice ( as opposed to a dud sounding like a girl) right at the top of the song pretty much kills your theory. You are operating fom a perspective that they are more vague than they are in the lyrics. They are point blank talking about a girl ...NOTHING in the song says otherwise (as opposed to Little Red Corvette that had double meaning throughout- CLEARLY - to anyone who read the lyrics.) It's one thing to read into something that has some possible double meaning, you just tried really hard to match a forced theory to a storyline that is pretty crystal clear and straight forward.

im taking a wild stab in the dark and reckon the OP didnt do too well in english at school eh

i would have loved to read his essays on metaphor and imagery!!

great post zanna

phunkdaddy said:

ThreadBare said:

He said he could be a girl or boy on We can Funk! he's worn makeup and women's clothing his whole career. The choreography with the male dancers, years ago. It all makes sense. He's the party girl. Thank you.

See your shit starting to come out! We right here. We see eye to eye.

We need to get the rest of the gang on board with this thread.

I don't think that boomerang hit anyone but me.

Said she wanna meet the band (This is Prince, and his "effeminate" way, entering when perhaps band members that would become The Time were signing autographs)

this is my fave line i think!!

MantuaPharoah said:

As we all know, The Time has a new CD out called Condensate. The group was made to use a different name, but they're The Original 7ven... The Band Formerly Known as the Time.

Prince obviously had no input in this project, but he had nearly COMPLETE input into what the Time could and could not do back when he formed and produced the group as his "classier slapstick" alter ego.

I hope you've all paid attention to one GREAT song in particular on their new CD called "Toast to the Party Girl".

It's brilliant. It's clever. And it's an AMAZINGLY FASCINATING dig at Prince!!

The lyrics are as follows, with my interpreted translation.

Every time show down

hangin out greetin' fans (There used to be band battles in Minneapolis... aka "showdowns")

Signin' autographs

In walks a sexy school teacher type

Said she wanna meet the band (This is Prince, and his "effeminate" way, entering when perhaps band members that would become The Time were signing autographs)

Now if you wanna teach me somethin' baby go ahead make your move

I hope you got something hot (This is Morris expressing interest with what Prince has in mind for the time)

I know I can 'cause I got alot (Female voice. Prince responding.)

Then bring it on, let me see what you got (Morris looking forward to The Time project.)

CHORUS:

I started playin' with it

peeped what her game's about (This is Morris toying with the songs that Prince has written

Got the girl so turned on

She turned the party out (Prince was excited, and did a great job with the Time project)

Actin' sweet and innocent, that's part of her mystique (Think of Prince on American Bandstand!!)

But underneathe it she's a closet freak (Do I really need to explain who might easily be considered a closet freak... or perhaps "control" freak???)

Toast to the party girl (A toast/thanks to Prince for putting the Time project together)

Come on, let's party

(Before I continue... think "Party til it's 1999"... or Party-Up... or Party Man. How many songs has Prince referred to partying??? lol)

Oh, I like ya exhibition baby

You done caught a groove that's cool (Morris liking what Prince has put together. "Cool" might even be a direct song reference!)

Wherever you wanna take it honey, I'm gonna leave that up to you (Needs no definition. Prince was the producer)

If you're the thrill seeker type that craves the lap of luxury

I'll let you train the dogs, all seven nonstop (Morris allowing Prince to "train" The 7 members of The Time... with the 7th being Jerome, of course.)

And I'm gonna set it off, come on baby, let's rock. (Prince. Come on, let's work.)

CHORUS

Girl, you are the party superstar

You love performing your greatest hits (Hello!!! How many times has Prince said "We got too many hits" during his concerts, in reference to his greatest hits??)

You're so amazing, so amazing

How did you get so gifted (Easily a Prince reference)

Things you do with those lips (Easily a sly Prince reference)

Doin' the dance hall roll call

Knock one down and pulling one in (A reference to Prince being with Vanity... and Jill... and Susan... and many others?)

Then she said

What is your desire? (Interesting how this is spoken in "typical Prince schtick". A Prince ultimatum to Morris and members of The Time????? Hmmmmm)

It was getting intense

She's like kryptonite to men (Perhaps a reference to creative battles in which members had no control, and were forced to do his bidding. The Time members were weak! They had no power. They had to play behind a curtain. Show up on time. Couldn't produce for other artists, or get fired. (Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis) Hmmm...

So that's why I propose a toast

To the party girl, so raise your glass

To the party girl with the most

Ooh, ooh, ooh, baby

CHORUS

The toast could be a backhanded "thanks" to the self-proclaimed "Party Man". A thank you for his assistance, and for who they are now.

However, if you listen longer, Morris ends the song with his prototypical "You ain't got to go home, but you got the get the hell outta here"... as if to say, "You get your thanks, but now, you got to get the hell out of this project!!"

AMAZING Song! I'm fascinated by it!!

The music toward the end of this song includes the "chili sauce guitar riff", allusions to the Kiss sound, and early Prince keyboard stylings. It also pays homage to Baby I'm a Star with the way it sounds towards the end. (Think of Purple Rain!)

This song is a DIRECT backward clever DIG at Prince. And I'm okay with that. BUT WOW... what a clever song.

And for The Original 7ven to refer to Prince as "The Party Girl"... WOW! Just makes you wonder what inner beef must exist!

This is my interpretation, but it would be hard to convince me that this song is NOT about Prince. It's fascinating when you study the lyrics, and mentally replace Prince as the Party Girl.

Wow!!!!

[Edited 10/27/11 13:11pm]

you out yo head

squirrelgrease said:

Squirrelgrease... thoughts?? Or are you just gonna sit there eating popcorn. lol

Some have agreed, some have disagreed. And some of have just made idiotic remarks that aren't even on topic because he can't express his OWN inciteful thoughts to the contrary... but I'll leave that person out of this. (You know, the guy who probably thinks that Little Red Corvette is about a Chevrolet, because the words obviously go in one ear and out the other since there's nothing between his ears to slow sh*t down.) But I digress...

It's not like what I wrote has been broken down to express why it isn't about Prince. So it very well could be.

Change one word... "girl" to "man", and it's as obvious as can be.

aratnic said:

Let me play devil's advocate here. If this song simply is what it appears to be on the surface then someone please explain to me how the sexy school teacher type turns into a musician with the following verse if the song is to be taken literally: "Girl, you are the party superstar YOU LOVE PERFORMING YOUR GREATEST HITS You're so amazing, so Amazing How did you get so gifted" If "greatest hits" is a metaphor for sexual acts (maybe) why is this the ONLY metaphoriacal passage in an otherwise totally literal song??? This verse just stands out as odd.

Intelligent. See that. I like intelligence.

Odd indeed... if this is a "literal" song.

Every time show down

hangin out greetin' fans (There used to be band battles in Minneapolis... aka "showdowns"

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

you surely out out yo mind

aw hell one more..this thread is a hoot!

Then she said

What is your desire? (Interesting how this is spoken in "typical Prince schtick". A Prince ultimatum to Morris and members of The Time????? Hmmmmm)

It was getting intense

She's like kryptonite to men (Perhaps a reference to creative battles in which members had no control, and were forced to do his bidding. The Time members were weak! They had no power. They had to play behind a curtain. Show up on time. Couldn't produce for other artists, or get fired. (Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis) Hmmm...