HonestMan13 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

getxxxx said: What no way. How about the RnB charts?

The promotion for this wasn't on point. They aren't toruing as of yet either. The video was a step in the right direction as was the Leno gig. The problem was that most people didn't know about either of those things and they were very vague leading up to the CDs release with the cryptic messages on the site. They've only done the show in LA and they're doing a signing in Minneapolis this week(not sure if there's a gig also). Their next tv appearance isn't for 3 weeks or so. I think once they hit the road it'll climb up the charts.

By the way @ the Fdeluxe gig in NYC Jellybean did say the O7 would be playing NYC soon!

HonestMan13 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

getxxxx said: What no way. How about the RnB charts?

The promotion for this wasn't on point. They aren't toruing as of yet either. The video was a step in the right direction as was the Leno gig. The problem was that most people didn't know about either of those things and they were very vague leading up to the CDs release with the cryptic messages on the site. They've only done the show in LA and they're doing a signing in Minneapolis this week(not sure if there's a gig also). Their next tv appearance isn't for 3 weeks or so. I think once they hit the road it'll climb up the charts.

YEah, the promotion sucked big time. The only reason it got #58 / #10 last week was because of us. We (Time/Prince) fans were the only ones who knew of it. And since we all got it the week of, who else is out there to pick it up?

Leno should have helped, but it came on the same day as game 7 of the World Series.

No radio spots, no TV commercials, barley any articles ...it was luck to debut in the top 60 last week.

How does anyone know how many stores stocked the album? Charlie Wilson was talking about one of his recent albums, and he said he went into a few record stores and they either didn't have the album at all or they only had a few copies. The average record store (for places that have them) is not going to order a lot of copies of an album from a group who has been in hibernation for 21 years, especially one on a small label. Even if they had used "The Time" as a name, it would have been unlikely. The Time's audience is more likely to be older folks who don't play around on the internet, so news on a website wouldn't have been seen anyway. Unless they were played on an Top 40 or Hip Hop/R&B station (not an adult urban one), they're not reaching a big enough consumer audiece. That audience is less likely to buy an album anyway, and they'll download it for free.

MickyDolenz said:

How does anyone know how many stores stocked the album? Charlie Wilson was talking about one of his recent albums, and he said he went into a few record stores and they either didn't have the album at all or they only had a few copies. The average record store (for places that have them) is not going to order a lot of copies of an album from a group who has been in hibernation for 21 years, especially one on a small label. Even if they had used "The Time" as a name, it would have been unlikely. The Time's audience is more likely to be older folks who don't play around on the internet, so news on a website wouldn't have been seen anyway. Unless they were played on an Top 40 or Hip Hop/R&B station (not an adult urban one), they're not reaching a big enough consumer audiece. That audience is less likely to buy an album anyway, and they'll download it for free.

Yeah, I bet the label didn't ship out too many. Once again, this is all on the label.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Yeah, I bet the label didn't ship out too many. Once again, this is all on the label.

Not really. I know someone who worked in a record store, and the store order the amount of albums they think will sell. The record company doesn't just send out a bunch of albums and hope they'll sell. If they did this, and it doesn't sell, then the store will return them to the label for credit, and this costs a lot of money for the label. For instance, the store won't order a lot of albums from a label like Koch or Malaco, because there is not as much of a demand for their acts. Some albums they don't order at all to put in stock. If a customer requests a particular release that is not stocked, the store will special order it (if available), but only one for the customer and no extra copies. It's like any store, they heavily stock products that have a lot of demand, and fewer of a lesser selling item.

getxxxx said:

they dropped completely out to the top 200 soundscan numbers this week. the lowest seller at #200 only sold 2108 units last week. The project is a wrap.

so they just missed the top 200

I had said from the onset that albums always fall like 70% in the second week then 50% then 30%

thats the standard trajectory of all the records and some ppl were arguing it will go up. and the total sales will generally be 2.5x the first week total

Fans always buy the first week then it falls like a brick unless there is some radio support.

people who want to buy it can still download it online if they dont have it in store.

At least they charted jesse johnson last 2 albums one from 2009 and one from 1996 never reached the top200

The question is will jam and lewis continue with the tour?

[Edited 11/2/11 15:14pm]

well I guess that will be the end of them. Its too bad because its the best album I have heard since the 80s by any artist. Good things never last

MickyDolenz said:

How does anyone know how many stores stocked the album? Charlie Wilson was talking about one of his recent albums, and he said he went into a few record stores and they either didn't have the album at all or they only had a few copies. The average record store (for places that have them) is not going to order a lot of copies of an album from a group who has been in hibernation for 21 years, especially one on a small label. Even if they had used "The Time" as a name, it would have been unlikely. The Time's audience is more likely to be older folks who don't play around on the internet, so news on a website wouldn't have been seen anyway. Unless they were played on an Top 40 or Hip Hop/R&B station (not an adult urban one), they're not reaching a big enough consumer audiece. That audience is less likely to buy an album anyway, and they'll download it for free.

They had the exclusive CD/DVD deal with Best Buy. Which is pretty huge for any artist. i'm not sure how many Best buy's exist countrywide but the numbers should be up there.

dandeeland said:

well I guess that will be the end of them. Its too bad because its the best album I have heard since the 80s by any artist. Good things never last

Why? Based on some silly numbers by Soundscan. If that's the case you wouldn't

see acts like Rashaan Patterson, Lalah Hathaway, Mint Condition, Ledisi, Robert Randolph,

or the Kindred Family Soul performing at all.

asg said:

getxxxx said:

they dropped completely out to the top 200 soundscan numbers this week. the lowest seller at #200 only sold 2108 units last week. The project is a wrap.

so they just missed the top 200

I had said from the onset that albums always fall like 70% in the second week then 50% then 30%

thats the standard trajectory of all the records and some ppl were arguing it will go up. and the total sales will generally be 2.5x the first week total

Fans always buy the first week then it falls like a brick unless there is some radio support.

people who want to buy it can still download it online if they dont have it in store.

At least they charted jesse johnson last 2 albums one from 2009 and one from 1996 never reached the top200

The question is will jam and lewis continue with the tour?

[Edited 11/2/11 15:14pm]

asg said:

getxxxx said:

they dropped completely out to the top 200 soundscan numbers this week. the lowest seller at #200 only sold 2108 units last week. The project is a wrap.

so they just missed the top 200

I had said from the onset that albums always fall like 70% in the second week then 50% then 30%

thats the standard trajectory of all the records and some ppl were arguing it will go up. and the total sales will generally be 2.5x the first week total

Fans always buy the first week then it falls like a brick unless there is some radio support.

people who want to buy it can still download it online if they dont have it in store.

At least they charted jesse johnson last 2 albums one from 2009 and one from 1996 never reached the top200

The question is will jam and lewis continue with the tour?

[Edited 11/2/11 15:14pm]

Off course, why wouldn't they?

dandeeland said:

well I guess that will be the end of them. Its too bad because its the best album I have heard since the 80s by any artist. Good things never last.

I can't believe that I have to keep saying this

THE ONLY ARTISTS WHO SELL ALOT OF CDS THESE DAYS ARE YOUNG,"HOT" ARTISTS LIKE LIL' WAYNE,ADELE AND LADY GAGA.

Are we clear on that?

There is no way that an 80s funk band is gonna sell alot of CDs in 2011.You can blame it on ageism,illegal downloading,etc but it doesn't matter.This is the new reality.It is not "over" for the Original 7ven.They will go on tour,make more TV appearances,and go on about their business.No one is trippin' over record sales anymore,execpt for the fans who obsess over stuff like this.

phunkdaddy said:

dandeeland said:

well I guess that will be the end of them. Its too bad because its the best album I have heard since the 80s by any artist. Good things never last

Why? Based on some silly numbers by Soundscan. If that's the case you wouldn't

see acts like Rashaan Patterson, Lalah Hathaway, Mint Condition, Ledisi, Robert Randolph,

or the Kindred Family Soul performing at all.

Exactly.It's not about record sales anymore.It's about touring and connecting with your fans.

SoulAlive said:

dandeeland said:

well I guess that will be the end of them. Its too bad because its the best album I have heard since the 80s by any artist. Good things never last.

I can't believe that I have to keep saying this

THE ONLY ARTISTS WHO SELL ALOT OF CDS THESE DAYS ARE YOUNG,"HOT" ARTISTS LIKE LIL' WAYNE,ADELE AND LADY GAGA.

Are we clear on that?

There is no way that an 80s funk band is gonna sell alot of CDs in 2011.You can blame it on ageism,illegal downloading,etc but it doesn't matter.This is the new reality.It is not "over" for the Original 7ven.They will go on tour,make more TV appearances,and go on about their business.No one is trippin' over record sales anymore,execpt for the fans who obsess over stuff like this.

dandeeland said:

well I guess that will be the end of them. Its too bad because its the best album I have heard since the 80s by any artist. Good things never last

It's not going to be the end of anything but if Condensate is the best album you've heard since the 80's

Hope not!! I want to see these guys stay around and follow up this album with another. I have not been this excited about a cd since Purple Rain. I am just skeptical about Jam and Lewis staying around when they can make so much more money by producing other artists. I hope they stay around for good this time(and Jesse)

They could push more units touring. Hell, include the CD with the ticket price like Prince does. Those sales won't be chart eligible but you're still shifting units.

L.A. Reid was interested in signing them to Def Jam,but I'm glad that they didn't go that route.He would have paired them up with rappers,trying to make them sound like all the other crap on the radio.They surely would have sold more CDs,but they would have lost their 'sound'.

SoulAlive said:

SoulAlive said:

L.A. Reid was interested in signing them to Def Jam,but I'm glad that they didn't go that route.He would have paired them up with rappers,trying to make them sound like all the other crap on the radio.They surely would have sold more CDs,but they would have lost their 'sound'.

paisleypark4 said:

if they only sold 1, my money would have been worth it. Good album.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

SoulAlive said:

L.A. Reid was interested in signing them to Def Jam,but I'm glad that they didn't go that route.He would have paired them up with rappers,trying to make them sound like all the other crap on the radio.They surely would have sold more CDs,but they would have lost their 'sound'.

LA would not change th3ir sound.

Somehow,I doubt that he would have released 'Condensate' the way it is.He might have said "Let's bring in Snoop Dogg for "Cadillac",and you got a hit song"

Lalah Hathaway came out the same day and shes still top 200.

getxxxx said:

Lalah Hathaway came out the same day and shes still top 200.

HATHAWAY, LALAH

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Lalah had promotion, even a commercial I belive.

One thing I thought about, why has Centric not put anything together about them? I usualy see comericals on Centric about RnB records u wouldn't see on BET/MTV/VH1?

They should have them on their top ten hit hosted by that Nice dude, hell George Wallace was on last week, lol.

I wouldn't be concerned with sales when it comes to a classic band in the current music industry environment.

They will make their money on the tour. Now, if they were not able to sell out small venues, then I would be worried, but I dont think they are in danger of having that problem at all.

And yes, I would far rather that they stayed on a small label with a smaller marketing budget but maintain their integrity than to see them in a video with Lil Wayne and Drake just to try to make them sound "current".

mano said:

I wouldn't be concerned with sales when it comes to a classic band in the current music industry environment.

They will make their money on the tour. Now, if they were not able to sell out small venues, then I would be worried, but I dont think they are in danger of having that problem at all.

And yes, I would far rather that they stayed on a small label with a smaller marketing budget but maintain their integrity than to see them in a video with Lil Wayne and Drake just to try to make them sound "current".

I doubt they would record with Lil Wayne/Drake. They don't seem like the type, though Morris did a track with E-40.

It's like I always say, the older artists are not going to appeal to the young music buyers of today so stop making music trying to appeal to them. All it does is piss the older longterm fans off that might have bought it if it had songs that appealed to them.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I doubt they would record with Lil Wayne/Drake. They don't seem like the type, though Morris did a track with E-40.

Big Daddy Kane was on Angel Don't from Morris' solo album Guaranteed. Jam & Lewis worked with New Edition, and they do some rapping. Morris also sang the hook on this track.

getxxxx said:

Lalah Hathaway came out the same day and shes still top 200.

HATHAWAY, LALAH

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She didn't just come back from a 21 year hiatus.