wonder505 said:

getxxxx said:

I saw no press in USA TODAY, NY TIMES, TIME MAGAZINE not even in the old stand bys EBONY, JET or ESSENCE. You cant always rely on word of mouth and the internet. I know they are on an small label but whose in the marketing and pr dept.

I believe there was an article recently in Jet Magazine.

is someone going to post it on here, or where we can find it? It seems like the press for this is being done in secret for some reason.

MickyDolenz said:

Paul McCartney new albums don't really sell much anymore, and he's a Beatle. Also there's the agism factor as far as radio goes. More than likely, other veteran acts that have recently released albums (The Cars, Duran Duran, Superheavy, Phil Collins, El DeBarge, Herbie Hancock, Sting, etc.) haven't sold much or get much radio play. Sade had some success and maybe Charlie Wilson did to a lesser extent. In some cases a store may not stock the album or ordered few copies.

Considering the age of Morris and the fellas,I'm surprised that radio is playing them at all "#Trendin" was the Most Added song on R&B/urban stations last week.That right there is an accomplishment!

SoulAlive said:

MickyDolenz said:

Paul McCartney new albums don't really sell much anymore, and he's a Beatle. Also there's the agism factor as far as radio goes. More than likely, other veteran acts that have recently released albums (The Cars, Duran Duran, Superheavy, Phil Collins, El DeBarge, Herbie Hancock, Sting, etc.) haven't sold much or get much radio play. Sade had some success and maybe Charlie Wilson did to a lesser extent. In some cases a store may not stock the album or ordered few copies.

Considering the age of Morris and the fellas,I'm surprised that radio is playing them at all "#Trendin" was the Most Added song on R&B/urban stations last week.That right there is an accomplishment!

I agree, I expected this entire project to not make any appearances on any charts.

If this doesn't start getting some media coverage, then I am betting that the 2012 tour will be much smaller then planned. I hope not because I want these guys to succeed with this. The Time is one of my favorite groups and this is an amazing album.

madhouseman said:

wonder505 said:

I believe there was an article recently in Jet Magazine.

is someone going to post it on here, or where we can find it? It seems like the press for this is being done in secret for some reason.

I saw them mentioned in JET but I don't think it's an entire article,just a small write-up....

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I agree about the press. Press is supposed to be weeks leading into the album, not the week after. They were on the Joyner show the day off release. So, you wouldn't know until that day.

I agree,there should have been more pre-release 'build up' for this album.Morris did an interview in September (or late August?) and he was asked about the album.He just said it would be "out in October" but gave no other details This project needed a little more press and attention.

SoulAlive said:

madhouseman said:

is someone going to post it on here, or where we can find it? It seems like the press for this is being done in secret for some reason.

I saw them mentioned in JET but I don't think it's an entire article,just a small write-up....

wow. i sort of expected more! lol

madhouseman said:

Outta curiousity, does anyone know how many CDs Jesse's "Verbal Penetration" sold, first week and overall?

^^^I think Jesse's album was an independent release, so might not have charted, as sometimes independent CD's don't have the Soundscan barcode. Albums sold only on a website (ie. TTD/Sananda) also are usually not tracked.

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I don't know why anyone is surprised or disappointed. Who pays attention to Soundscan besides the industry? Since when have they been the measure of what constitutes good music? In this day and age, most good music gets ignored by the press and industry, much less a group that last put out an album 20 years ago. But the radio is playing them, and as long as the band tours behind this album at a venue near me, I'm there.

purplethunder3121 said:

I don't know why anyone is surprised or disappointed. Who pays attention to Soundscan besides the industry?

Yeah, when The Time was 1st active, there was no Soundscan. It doesn't track all sales anyway.

asg said:

NouveauDance said:

They have some high profile TV slots, that should do something, surely.

Just by the nature of this release and who is releasing it you can't expect HUGE numbers any way, I don't doubt anyone in the band was under any illusion they were going to give Lady Gaga or whoever a run for their money.

One or 2 shows on TV dont have much impact unless u have something consistent like radio backing u. Even gaga fell by more then 70% in the second week but later on became steady and continues to fall.

Surpringly prince continues to open very high in this day and age last album opened at around 180k from only CD sales he didnt submit the digital sales to billboard. which even the new heavily promoted artist with massive radio support dont open with. Even rihanna with mega radio support starts at 200k and she is always on radio

TV has very very little affect on things anymore, that was years ago when everyone went on OPRAH and their shit shot through the roof, even towards the end OPRAH had very little affect on records. I have to say, as its been said, WHAT DID U THINK IT WAS GOING TO DO, in all honesty what did u think a band that hasnt really had a record since 1990 that wasnt even that big of a deal then, and now that band is in their early 50's? NEWSFLASH, this album did what was expected, and now touring and further appearances will enhance and might stir up some longer life to the record, or it might just fall off totally, BUT DID U LIKE IT? if YES then what the hell does it matter? the game is up peeps, our favorites really dont sell anymore, my fave artists have had great records still and yes that havent sold much, the new DD, didnt do much business but its a great fucking record, a few years back RICK SPRINGFIELD released his amazing Venus in Overdrive it debuted at 28 sold about 20K that first week, amazing numbers for him his highest debut since the 80's, the album was great, then it fell off about 3 weeks later doing almost all its business those first few weeks, so people just accept it and listen to some good records, new DARYL HALL amazing, no one cared to buy it for the most part, who gives a crap.

lastdecember said:

asg said:

One or 2 shows on TV dont have much impact unless u have something consistent like radio backing u. Even gaga fell by more then 70% in the second week but later on became steady and continues to fall.

Surpringly prince continues to open very high in this day and age last album opened at around 180k from only CD sales he didnt submit the digital sales to billboard. which even the new heavily promoted artist with massive radio support dont open with. Even rihanna with mega radio support starts at 200k and she is always on radio

TV has very very little affect on things anymore, that was years ago when everyone went on OPRAH and their shit shot through the roof, even towards the end OPRAH had very little affect on records. I have to say, as its been said, WHAT DID U THINK IT WAS GOING TO DO, in all honesty what did u think a band that hasnt really had a record since 1990 that wasnt even that big of a deal then, and now that band is in their early 50's? NEWSFLASH, this album did what was expected, and now touring and further appearances will enhance and might stir up some longer life to the record, or it might just fall off totally, BUT DID U LIKE IT? if YES then what the hell does it matter? the game is up peeps, our favorites really dont sell anymore, my fave artists have had great records still and yes that havent sold much, the new DD, didnt do much business but its a great fucking record, a few years back RICK SPRINGFIELD released his amazing Venus in Overdrive it debuted at 28 sold about 20K that first week, amazing numbers for him his highest debut since the 80's, the album was great, then it fell off about 3 weeks later doing almost all its business those first few weeks, so people just accept it and listen to some good records, new DARYL HALL amazing, no one cared to buy it for the most part, who gives a crap.

I cared to buy the new Daryl Hall CD because it is great music, not because the general public thought it was. Joe Q. Public these days doesn't seem to know what good music is.

lastdecember said:

new DARYL HALL amazing, no one cared to buy it for the most part, who gives a crap.

John Oates has a new solo album too. I haven't heard it, but I saw it in the record store.

purplethunder3121 said:

lastdecember said:

TV has very very little affect on things anymore, that was years ago when everyone went on OPRAH and their shit shot through the roof, even towards the end OPRAH had very little affect on records. I have to say, as its been said, WHAT DID U THINK IT WAS GOING TO DO, in all honesty what did u think a band that hasnt really had a record since 1990 that wasnt even that big of a deal then, and now that band is in their early 50's? NEWSFLASH, this album did what was expected, and now touring and further appearances will enhance and might stir up some longer life to the record, or it might just fall off totally, BUT DID U LIKE IT? if YES then what the hell does it matter? the game is up peeps, our favorites really dont sell anymore, my fave artists have had great records still and yes that havent sold much, the new DD, didnt do much business but its a great fucking record, a few years back RICK SPRINGFIELD released his amazing Venus in Overdrive it debuted at 28 sold about 20K that first week, amazing numbers for him his highest debut since the 80's, the album was great, then it fell off about 3 weeks later doing almost all its business those first few weeks, so people just accept it and listen to some good records, new DARYL HALL amazing, no one cared to buy it for the most part, who gives a crap.

I cared to buy the new Daryl Hall CD because it is great music, not because the general public thought it was. Joe Q. Public these days doesn't seem to know what good music is.

me too, it was great and im glad i have it, im looking at a debut and thinking WOW or damn thats bad who cares about billboard anymore ?

lastdecember said:

asg said:

One or 2 shows on TV dont have much impact unless u have something consistent like radio backing u. Even gaga fell by more then 70% in the second week but later on became steady and continues to fall.

Surpringly prince continues to open very high in this day and age last album opened at around 180k from only CD sales he didnt submit the digital sales to billboard. which even the new heavily promoted artist with massive radio support dont open with. Even rihanna with mega radio support starts at 200k and she is always on radio

TV has very very little affect on things anymore, that was years ago when everyone went on OPRAH and their shit shot through the roof, even towards the end OPRAH had very little affect on records. I have to say, as its been said, WHAT DID U THINK IT WAS GOING TO DO, in all honesty what did u think a band that hasnt really had a record since 1990 that wasnt even that big of a deal then, and now that band is in their early 50's? NEWSFLASH, this album did what was expected, and now touring and further appearances will enhance and might stir up some longer life to the record, or it might just fall off totally, BUT DID U LIKE IT? if YES then what the hell does it matter? the game is up peeps, our favorites really dont sell anymore, my fave artists have had great records still and yes that havent sold much, the new DD, didnt do much business but its a great fucking record, a few years back RICK SPRINGFIELD released his amazing Venus in Overdrive it debuted at 28 sold about 20K that first week, amazing numbers for him his highest debut since the 80's, the album was great, then it fell off about 3 weeks later doing almost all its business those first few weeks, so people just accept it and listen to some good records, new DARYL HALL amazing, no one cared to buy it for the most part, who gives a crap.

Exactly!

What I don't get is why people take this stuff so personally. It's like they need validation or something.

The Original 7ven, the ba...ph Signing

The Original 7ven, the ba...ph Signing

Anybody, what spot did they come in at?

And also, to a few saying the charts don't measure how good the album/artist is, I'm not arguing that. But when artist put out albums, they wanna sell some records.If the Time or anyone esle didn't care about record sales, they'd give their music out free.

Genesia said:

lastdecember said:

TV has very very little affect on things anymore, that was years ago when everyone went on OPRAH and their shit shot through the roof, even towards the end OPRAH had very little affect on records. I have to say, as its been said, WHAT DID U THINK IT WAS GOING TO DO, in all honesty what did u think a band that hasnt really had a record since 1990 that wasnt even that big of a deal then, and now that band is in their early 50's? NEWSFLASH, this album did what was expected, and now touring and further appearances will enhance and might stir up some longer life to the record, or it might just fall off totally, BUT DID U LIKE IT? if YES then what the hell does it matter? the game is up peeps, our favorites really dont sell anymore, my fave artists have had great records still and yes that havent sold much, the new DD, didnt do much business but its a great fucking record, a few years back RICK SPRINGFIELD released his amazing Venus in Overdrive it debuted at 28 sold about 20K that first week, amazing numbers for him his highest debut since the 80's, the album was great, then it fell off about 3 weeks later doing almost all its business those first few weeks, so people just accept it and listen to some good records, new DARYL HALL amazing, no one cared to buy it for the most part, who gives a crap.

Exactly!

What I don't get is why people take this stuff so personally. It's like they need validation or something.

If you don't like who I like then I wonder if I should like them at all.

HonestMan13 said:

Genesia said:

Exactly!

What I don't get is why people take this stuff so personally. It's like they need validation or something.

If you don't like who I like then I wonder if I should like them at all.

You shouldn't.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Anybody, what spot did they come in at?

And also, to a few saying the charts don't measure how good the album/artist is, I'm not arguing that. But when artist put out albums, they wanna sell some records.If the Time or anyone esle didn't care about record sales, they'd give their music out free.

Releasing an album cost money. They have to pay the bills for making it, manufacturing CD, video and then marketing it and even the promotion of travelling is costly when u have 7 guys going around to different cities. They been working for 3yrs on it

They r in the business to make money and then split it 7 ways.

Apart from jam and lewis others r not independently wealthy

asg said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Anybody, what spot did they come in at?

And also, to a few saying the charts don't measure how good the album/artist is, I'm not arguing that. But when artist put out albums, they wanna sell some records.If the Time or anyone esle didn't care about record sales, they'd give their music out free.

Releasing an album cost money. They have to pay the bills for making it, manufacturing CD, video and then marketing it and even the promotion of travelling is costly when u have 7 guys going around to different cities. They been working for 3yrs on it

They r in the business to make money and then split it 7 ways.

Apart from jam and lewis others r not independently wealthy

The label pays for that, not the artist. Morris and them are not paying get disc manufactured and what not, that's the labels job.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

asg said:

Releasing an album cost money. They have to pay the bills for making it, manufacturing CD, video and then marketing it and even the promotion of travelling is costly when u have 7 guys going around to different cities. They been working for 3yrs on it

They r in the business to make money and then split it 7 ways.

Apart from jam and lewis others r not independently wealthy

The label pays for that, not the artist. Morris and them are not paying get disc manufactured and what not, that's the labels job.

The label has to make a profit they dont do anything for charity. if this album only send up selling 20k how will the label make a profit

asg said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

The label pays for that, not the artist. Morris and them are not paying get disc manufactured and what not, that's the labels job.

The label has to make a profit they dont do anything for charity. if this album only send up selling 20k how will the label make a profit

You can't make money of you don't put the word out. It might end up selling that without the label backing the product.

Television still has major influence over the public.

What the hell were you thinking to type that out?

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I'm surprised this album didn't sell less.

People who would likely be interested in the music don't even know it exists at this point.

An article in an irrelevant magazine and a couple of internet interviews aren't what I would consider "publicity"

Has anyone heard trendin on the radio at all?

I'm doubting it gets any play outside of the TwinCities metro area, and even then it must be limited.

this project will probabally get shelved very soon. I hope not but why should they do it if noone is buying them. Most Prince fans didn't even buy it.