Soundscan Numbers:

Released 10/18/11
Sales to date of album: 7,197

Nov 2nd

1,998 units sold

Sales total to date: 9,195

Second week they didnt make top 200 sales at all.

[Edited 11/2/11 17:16pm]

not top 50

What did you expect?

getxxxx said:

not top 50

What number?

It doesn't surprise me. We are quite obsessed with Prince here in prince.org, but it must be admitted that Prince and the associated artists are ignored by the majority of the public, even the specialized and serious listeners. Only as a brilliant live act is Prince considered nowadays.

Javi said:

It doesn't surprise me. We are quite obsessed with Prince here in prince.org, but it must be admitted that Prince and the associated artists are ignored by the majority of the public, even the specialized and serious listeners. Only as a brilliant live act is Prince considered nowadays.

Their press rolling out was all wrong... They should have been in media weeks leading up to the release and not the week of at radio with Tom Joyner & Doug Banks.

They should have been on GMA, The View, Today or one of those morning shows

Maybe this Leno performance will spark more interest.

getxxxx said:

Javi said:

It doesn't surprise me. We are quite obsessed with Prince here in prince.org, but it must be admitted that Prince and the associated artists are ignored by the majority of the public, even the specialized and serious listeners. Only as a brilliant live act is Prince considered nowadays.

Their press rolling out was all wrong... They should have been in media weeks leading up to the release and not the week of at radio with Tom Joyner & Doug Banks.

They should have been on GMA, The View, Today or one of those morning shows

Maybe this Leno performance will spark more interest.

How do you know they didn't try?

I think you overestimate the interest of the general public in this.

Javi said:

It doesn't surprise me. We are quite obsessed with Prince here in prince.org, but it must be admitted that Prince and the associated artists are ignored by the majority of the public, even the specialized and serious listeners. Only as a brilliant live act is Prince considered nowadays.

But Prince still charts high wit his albums.

Genesia said:

getxxxx said:

Their press rolling out was all wrong... They should have been in media weeks leading up to the release and not the week of at radio with Tom Joyner & Doug Banks.

They should have been on GMA, The View, Today or one of those morning shows

Maybe this Leno performance will spark more interest.

How do you know they didn't try?

I think you overestimate the interest of the general public in this.

I agree. The relevance of the group whatever they call themselves is basically limtied to Prince fans. You can't go on a 21 year hiatus and think the world will notice when you decide to comeback. It takes time to rebuild that interest.

Genesia said:

getxxxx said:

Their press rolling out was all wrong... They should have been in media weeks leading up to the release and not the week of at radio with Tom Joyner & Doug Banks.

They should have been on GMA, The View, Today or one of those morning shows

Maybe this Leno performance will spark more interest.

How do you know they didn't try?

I think you overestimate the interest of the general public in this.

I agree about the press. Press is supposed to be weeks leading into the album, not the week after. They were on the Joyner show the day off release. So, you wouldn't know until that day.

And it shouldnt be hard for Jam and Lewis to get spots.

And the name change didn't help either.

[Edited 10/26/11 11:47am]

HonestMan13 said:

Genesia said:

How do you know they didn't try?

I think you overestimate the interest of the general public in this.

I agree. The relevance of the group whatever they call themselves is basically limtied to Prince fans. You can't go on a 21 year hiatus and think the world will notice when you decide to comeback. It takes time to rebuild that interest.

I don't believe this. If they were still the Time and it got pushed, than they would have sold. I told my 45 year old co-worker about it yester, he had know idea.

Paul McCartney new albums don't really sell much anymore, and he's a Beatle. Also there's the agism factor as far as radio goes. More than likely, other veteran acts that have recently released albums (The Cars, Duran Duran, Superheavy, Phil Collins, El DeBarge, Herbie Hancock, Sting, etc.) haven't sold much or get much radio play. Sade had some success and maybe Charlie Wilson did to a lesser extent. In some cases a store may not stock the album or ordered few copies.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

HonestMan13 said:

I agree. The relevance of the group whatever they call themselves is basically limtied to Prince fans. You can't go on a 21 year hiatus and think the world will notice when you decide to comeback. It takes time to rebuild that interest.

I don't believe this. If they were still the Time and it got pushed, than they would have sold. I told my 45 year old co-worker about it yester, he had know idea.

Uhhhh...your last sentence proves HonestMan's point, you know.

You clearly have no idea how PR works. You don't just call up The Today Show and say, "Hi. I have a new album - put me on your show."

It's called "earned media" for a reason. You have to earn it. They didn't.

MickyDolenz said:

Paul McCartney new albums don't really sell much anymore, and he's a Beatle. Also there's the agism factor as far as radio goes. More than likely, other veteran acts that have recently released albums (The Cars, Duran Duran, Superheavy, Phil Collins, El DeBarge, Herbie Hancock, Sting, etc.) haven't sold much or get much radio play. Sade had some success and maybe Charlie Wilson did to a lesser extent. In some cases a store may not stock the album or ordered few copies.

Yeah, that's why I don't follow sales or the radio too much anymore. I just enjoy the music.

Every day I look for more press and don't find it. It is a great album and worthy of purchase, but most people have no idea it is even out there. I want to help them with some press, but so far it is impossible to get them involved, and I don't understand it. Take advantage of your base and build on that! PLEASE!

I saw no press in USA TODAY, NY TIMES, TIME MAGAZINE not even in the old stand bys EBONY, JET or ESSENCE. You cant always rely on word of mouth and the internet. I know they are on an small label but whose in the marketing and pr dept.

Genesia said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I don't believe this. If they were still the Time and it got pushed, than they would have sold. I told my 45 year old co-worker about it yester, he had know idea.

Uhhhh...your last sentence proves HonestMan's point, you know.

You clearly have no idea how PR works. You don't just call up The Today Show and say, "Hi. I have a new album - put me on your show."

It's called "earned media" for a reason. You have to earn it. They didn't.

Their label should have known the release date of the project ansd started prepping morning shows for apperances the weeks prior. Who would turn down an live performance with The Time nka The Original 7ven. The days of relying on RADIO IS DEAD. Also where was the street teams, snipes in major markets that the cd was coming (saw none what so ever in nyc). Them live in TIMES SQUARE would have been an HIT.

well the BANGLES where on GMA earlier this month promoting their new cd and singing classics.

[Edited 10/26/11 12:52pm]

getxxxx said:

I saw no press in USA TODAY, NY TIMES, TIME MAGAZINE not even in the old stand bys EBONY, JET or ESSENCE. You cant always rely on word of mouth and the internet. I know they are on an small label but whose in the marketing and pr dept.

I believe there was an article recently in Jet Magazine.

Genesia said:

What did you expect?

I expected it not to chart at all.

Like fDeluxe.

getxxxx said:

Genesia said:

Uhhhh...your last sentence proves HonestMan's point, you know.

You clearly have no idea how PR works. You don't just call up The Today Show and say, "Hi. I have a new album - put me on your show."

It's called "earned media" for a reason. You have to earn it. They didn't.

Their label should have known the release date of the project ansd started prepping morning shows for apperances the weeks prior. Who would turn down an live performance with The Time nka The Original 7ven. The days of relying on RADIO IS DEAD. Also where was the street teams, snipes in major markets that the cd was coming (saw none what so ever in nyc). Them live in TIMES SQUARE would have been an HIT.

well the BANGLES where on GMA earlier this month promoting their new cd and singing classics.

I'm sorry...but way more people know The Bangles than know The Time. Don't forget that the prime watchers of morning programs are women - white women, at that - many of whom were children/teens in the 80s and could sing any number of Bangles tunes off the top of their heads.

As I said earlier, it is entirely possible that they tried to get spots on morning shows and were rebuffed. I don't think The Time ever fit the the AM show demographic and The Original Sevenven certainly don't.

They've got some TV promo coming up haven't they? That should shift some units. Can't expect huge numbers any way. Better to go up the charts that debut high then drop off into obscurity *cough* all Prince's pop records for the past decade *cough*

getxxxx said:

Genesia said:

Uhhhh...your last sentence proves HonestMan's point, you know.

You clearly have no idea how PR works. You don't just call up The Today Show and say, "Hi. I have a new album - put me on your show."

It's called "earned media" for a reason. You have to earn it. They didn't.

Their label should have known the release date of the project ansd started prepping morning shows for apperances the weeks prior. Who would turn down an live performance with The Time nka The Original 7ven. The days of relying on RADIO IS DEAD. Also where was the street teams, snipes in major markets that the cd was coming (saw none what so ever in nyc). Them live in TIMES SQUARE would have been an HIT.

well the BANGLES where on GMA earlier this month promoting their new cd and singing classics.

[Edited 10/26/11 12:52pm]

The morning shows wont put the time. They werent that big at the peak. bangles were pretty big several #1 songs but the bangles cd only opened at #148

getxxxx said:

they are on an small label

There's your answer there (although Saguaro is a Time/Life label). When was the last time anyone on labels like Koch, Alligator, or Malaco had any mainstream media coverage? If the O7 was really concerned about selling a lot, they would have gotten Lil Wayne or somebody on their album. Some people make music for the fun of it, not just sales. The earlier Time albums were not that big, except on R&B radio. R&B was not a big market at the time, which is why some R&B acts started to make more pop based music designed to crossover.

NouveauDance said:

They've got some TV promo coming up haven't they? That should shift some units. Can't expect huge numbers any way. Better to go up the charts that debut high then drop off into obscurity *cough* all Prince's pop records for the past decade *cough*

There is no way they r going up unless u have radio support. most albums only go down once released thats just how the biz works. Most albms on avg drop by 70% in the secong week

asg said:

NouveauDance said:

They've got some TV promo coming up haven't they? That should shift some units. Can't expect huge numbers any way. Better to go up the charts that debut high then drop off into obscurity *cough* all Prince's pop records for the past decade *cough*

There is no way they r going up unless u have radio support. most albums only go down once released thats just how the biz works. Most albms on avg drop by 70% in the secong week

They have some high profile TV slots, that should do something, surely.

Just by the nature of this release and who is releasing it you can't expect HUGE numbers any way, I don't doubt anyone in the band was under any illusion they were going to give Lady Gaga or whoever a run for their money.

These days,nobody sells alots of records...unless you're Lady Gaga,Adele or Lil' Wayne An Old School funk band from the 80s won't sell alot of records in this day and age.But it's ok,this CD will find its audience.

Javi said:

It doesn't surprise me. We are quite obsessed with Prince here in prince.org, but it must be admitted that Prince and the associated artists are ignored by the majority of the public, even the specialized and serious listeners. Only as a brilliant live act is Prince considered nowadays.

Exactly.Prince himself hasn't had a real 'hit' album since 1991.The majority of the public gave up on the Minneapolis sound sometime in the late 80s.

NouveauDance said:

They've got some TV promo coming up haven't they? That should shift some units. Can't expect huge numbers any way. Better to go up the charts that debut high then drop off into obscurity *cough* all Prince's pop records for the past decade *cough*

They will be on the 'Tonight Show with Jay Leno' tonight and they are opening the Soul Train Awards show next month.And according to Jimmy Jam,they have a major tour scheduled for 2012.When all is said and done,this music will find its audience.

NouveauDance said:

asg said:

There is no way they r going up unless u have radio support. most albums only go down once released thats just how the biz works. Most albms on avg drop by 70% in the secong week

They have some high profile TV slots, that should do something, surely.

Just by the nature of this release and who is releasing it you can't expect HUGE numbers any way, I don't doubt anyone in the band was under any illusion they were going to give Lady Gaga or whoever a run for their money.

One or 2 shows on TV dont have much impact unless u have something consistent like radio backing u. Even gaga fell by more then 70% in the second week but later on became steady and continues to fall.

Surpringly prince continues to open very high in this day and age last album opened at around 180k from only CD sales he didnt submit the digital sales to billboard. which even the new heavily promoted artist with massive radio support dont open with. Even rihanna with mega radio support starts at 200k and she is always on radio