SoulAlive said:

funksterr said:

I like Pandemonium as is. Ballads and all. I love that Monte and Jesse got to contribute their songwriting talents alongside Prince, Jam and Lewis. I greatly prefer the production on the album, to the original tracks Prince came up with. Not saying Prince's demos (Jerk Out, Data Bank) were bad at all, but they just did not have that party flavor to them like the album does. They were not "fun".

With the exception of "Jerkout",I'm not too thrilled with the songs that Prince gave them for this album."DataBank" and "My Summertime Thang" are weak songs."Chocolate" was old and dated."Donald Trump (Black Version)" is mediocre.

It's funny because Prince had "Movie Star" laying around at the time, which seems like it would have been a strong song for the band. Prince has said that he wrote it for The Time, but I guess they never recorded a version.

Shango said:

MickyDolenz said:

Morris had quit the group before it was recorded just like Monte Moir and Jellybean Johnson had after Jam & Lewis were let go. Jellybean was persuaded to return. Morris had to return because he was under contract to do the movie. After it was done, he left for good. Prince wanted Jesse to front the group, but Jesse wasn't interested in not having any input, so he quit. So the leftovers were made into The Family. Jellybean still worked with Jimmy, Terry, & Monte at Flyte Tyme at the same time. I guess Prince had no problem with this.

and Gerry Hubbard (bass) + Mark Cardenas (keyboards) became part of Jesse's Revue

And both were bad boys

Love Gerry's bass licks on TaMara & the Seen You Turn Me Up

phunkdaddy said:

Shango said:

and Gerry Hubbard (bass) + Mark Cardenas (keyboards) became part of Jesse's Revue

And both were bad boys

Love Gerry's bass licks on TaMara & the Seen You Turn Me Up

Good call. Gotta rewind my album copy from the crates

Also cool to see Mark representing himself online

Regardless to how many folks feel that Pandemonium was not a great release.....It went GOLD (500,000) on the strength of FANS that LOVE The Time.......I was very GLAD that they came back with a new record.......Awesome considering it came after ICC 1984. I thought it had some great moments and some weak moments but the STRONG moments out way the WEAK moments....These kats play hard and work HARDER.....I tip my hat to these hard working MUSICIANS we call The Time/Original 7ven.........

Love the album.

Some songs haven't lasted the test of time but I loved it when it came out and still enjoy it.

Kinda briefly talked about this cd in the DVD

Love it...Faves r:

Sexy Socialites

Blondie

Chocolate

Sometimes I get Lonely

Although i do like Pandemonium i think i enjoy Condensate more. Pandemonium hasn't dated all that well and seem kinda half baked. some of the songs are not so good versions of Prince songs, Databank is just horrible.

bigd74 said:

Although i do like Pandemonium i think i enjoy Condensate more. Pandemonium hasn't dated all that well and seem kinda half baked. some of the songs are not so good versions of Prince songs, Databank is just horrible.

Pandemonium is their best selling album and will continue to be from the looks of things right now. IT is better than Condensate. IN fact, all of their albums are better than COndensate.

THe tour should be great though:-D

runawayslave said:

bigd74 said:

Although i do like Pandemonium i think i enjoy Condensate more. Pandemonium hasn't dated all that well and seem kinda half baked. some of the songs are not so good versions of Prince songs, Databank is just horrible.

Pandemonium is their best selling album and will continue to be from the looks of things right now. IT is better than Condensate. IN fact, all of their albums are better than COndensate.

THe tour should be great though:-D

Of course this is just your opinion. Naturally it would be their biggest selling album due to the fact that both Prince and The Time having a bigger fanbase in 1990 than in 1983.

Pandemonium is proof of what a good album Condensate is cause I listened to it after Condensate and pulled all but three songs off my itunes. It's just a really weak album. imho...

I listened to all the Time albums in a row after I got Condensate and I think I like Pandemonium the most.

Knowing that it's Prince playing all the instruments on the first two albums even though Morris is calling out for Terry, Jesse, Jellybean, etc., kills a little of the appeal for me.

sextonseven said:

runawayslave said:

Funny how even with the Time, no one is more successful after leaving Paisley Park. With the exception of Jam and Lewis, no one made it bigger than they did while working with/for Prince.

Carmen Electra

This is true! Movies, TV shows, Playboy spreads, she's almost a household name.

sextonseven said:

Pandemonium is the only real Time album because it's the only one where all the guys on the cover actually play on the tracks.

I love Pandemonium, when that came out I was soooo excited.

And now I'm all excited all over again

bigd74 said:

Although i do like Pandemonium i think i enjoy Condensate more. Pandemonium hasn't dated all that well and seem kinda half baked.Some of the songs are not so good versions of Prince songs, Databank is just horrible.

'Pandemonium' is not consistent.It doesn't hold together.There are a few great tunes but also several tracks that sound like throwaways ("Data Bank","My Summertime Thang",etc)."Chocolate" would have worked in 1982 but on Pandemonium,it sounds horribly dated.With the exception of "Jerkout",the Prince songs aren't very memorable.The album feels scattered and messy.

'Condensate' is a strong,focused album that holds together from the first track to the last.It feels like a complete album as opposed to a bunch of tunes thrown together.

SoulAlive said:

bigd74 said:

Although i do like Pandemonium i think i enjoy Condensate more. Pandemonium hasn't dated all that well and seem kinda half baked.Some of the songs are not so good versions of Prince songs, Databank is just horrible.

'Pandemonium' is not consistent.It doesn't hold together.There are a few great tunes but also several tracks that sound like throwaways ("Data Bank","My Summertime Thang",etc)."Chocolate" would have worked in 1982 but on Pandemonium,it sounds horribly dated.With the exception of "Jerkout",the Prince songs aren't very memorable.The album feels scattered and messy.

'Condensate' is a strong,focused album that holds together from the first track to the last.It feels like a complete album as opposed to a bunch of tunes thrown together.

I still love the Pandemonium album, SA. Chocolate doesn't sound any more dated than Jerk Out, and when shit is THAT funky, it doesn't even matter. It provides a funk base for the album, too. And, I like the songs that you mentioned as throwaways (Data Bank and My Summertime Thang - which was much better here than what was included in The Latest Fashion).

The best tracks on the album, to me, are:

Pandemonium

Jerk Out

Chocolate

It's Your World

Sometimes I Get Lonely

Data Bank

My Summertime Thang

Blondie

Donald Trump (Black Version)

But, I guess we all have our different tastes! If they actually had their shit together back then (and Prince didn't blindside them with the terrible movie that was Graffiti Bridge), this album could've really gone somewhere. It was much more "accessible" than GB.

MickyDolenz said:

Jesse stopped recording because his label wanted him to do New Jack Swing and he wasn't interested in that.

Maybe Jesse says that these days, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case. An unreleased Jesse song which appears to have been recorded in the late 80's/early 90's surfaced recently, entitled "Crazy Love", apparently from an album Jesse had recorded called "Real Life Mode". And it seems to be NJS inspired, so we can surmise that the rest of the album was too.

[Edited 10/31/11 5:54am]

SoulAlive said:

bigd74 said:

Although i do like Pandemonium i think i enjoy Condensate more. Pandemonium hasn't dated all that well and seem kinda half baked.Some of the songs are not so good versions of Prince songs, Databank is just horrible.

'Pandemonium' is not consistent.It doesn't hold together.There are a few great tunes but also several tracks that sound like throwaways ("Data Bank","My Summertime Thang",etc)."Chocolate" would have worked in 1982 but on Pandemonium,it sounds horribly dated.With the exception of "Jerkout",the Prince songs aren't very memorable.The album feels scattered and messy.

'Condensate' is a strong,focused album that holds together from the first track to the last.It feels like a complete album as opposed to a bunch of tunes thrown together.

What are you talking about?! Pandemonium is quite consistent! Besides it funks harder and had more edge than "Condensate".

[Edited 10/31/11 9:26am]

funkomatic said:

SoulAlive said:

'Pandemonium' is not consistent.It doesn't hold together.There are a few great tunes but also several tracks that sound like throwaways ("Data Bank","My Summertime Thang",etc)."Chocolate" would have worked in 1982 but on Pandemonium,it sounds horribly dated.With the exception of "Jerkout",the Prince songs aren't very memorable.The album feels scattered and messy.

'Condensate' is a strong,focused album that holds together from the first track to the last.It feels like a complete album as opposed to a bunch of tunes thrown together.

What are you talking about?! Pandemonium is quite consistent! Besides it funks harder and had more edge than "Condensate".

'Pandemonium' falls apart after "Blondie",with a series of songs that are mediocre."It's Your World" is great,though.

'Condensate' is a stronger set of songs,with only one truly weak song ("Hey Yo").

"Pandemonium" is not a masterpiece, that's for sure, but it doesn't fall apart! "Data Bank" is a weak track, not because of the song itself, but the overproduction.

"Condensate" falls apart with every horrible chorus thrown in to make this thing more mainstream compatible. The album is either full of rehash or unoriginal efforts of sounding somewhat contemporary.

funkomatic said:

"Pandemonium" is not a masterpiece, that's for sure, but it doesn't fall apart! "Data Bank" is a weak track, not because of the song itself, but the overproduction.

"Condensate" falls apart with every horrible chorus thrown in to make this thing more mainstream compatible. The album is either full of rehash or unoriginal efforts of sounding somewhat contemporary.

We'll have to agree to disagree the only songs on 'Pandemonium' that I like are "Jerkout","It's Your World" and the title track.

I agree!

I rank the tracks in this order:

1. My Summertime Thang

2. Chocolate

3. Jerk Out

4. Sometimes I Get Lonely

5. Donald Trump (Black Version)

6. It's Your World

7. Blondie

8. Pandemonium

9. Skillet

10. Data Bank

sextonseven said:

I rank the tracks in this order:

1. My Summertime Thang

2. Chocolate

3. Jerk Out

4. Sometimes I Get Lonely

5. Donald Trump (Black Version)

6. It's Your World

7. Blondie

8. Pandemonium

9. Skillet

10. Data Bank

I like skillet best

ZombieKitten said:

sextonseven said:

I rank the tracks in this order:

1. My Summertime Thang

2. Chocolate

3. Jerk Out

4. Sometimes I Get Lonely

5. Donald Trump (Black Version)

6. It's Your World

7. Blondie

8. Pandemonium

9. Skillet

10. Data Bank

I like skillet best

There is not that much of a difference between songs 1 and 9 on my list, I like them all so much. If you had said "Data Bank" was your favorite then we'd have a problem.

Militant said:

MickyDolenz said:

Jesse stopped recording because his label wanted him to do New Jack Swing and he wasn't interested in that.

Maybe Jesse says that these days, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case. An unreleased Jesse song which appears to have been recorded in the late 80's/early 90's surfaced recently, entitled "Crazy Love", apparently from an album Jesse had recorded called "Real Life Mode". And it seems to be NJS inspired, so we can surmise that the rest of the album was too.

Jesse had produced some group in the late 1980's. I think they were called Kool School, or something like that. I think they were New Jack, but maybe Jesse didn't want that sound on his own records. Perhaps A&M had him to record this tune, and Jesse decided to nix it. Labels do make acts record songs time to time.

sextonseven said:

runawayslave said:

Funny how even with the Time, no one is more successful after leaving Paisley Park. With the exception of Jam and Lewis, no one made it bigger than they did while working with/for Prince.

Carmen Electra

"She is inevitable" and damn it if they weren't right!

madhouseman said:

I still think it is a fantastic album. I'd put Skillet and Blondie up against almost anything that was recorded by The Time. It shows their growth as well as their range. You couldn't release a greatest hits album without at least 4-5 tracks from that album (Blondie, Skillet, Chocolate, Pandemonium and Jerk Out), so I am always confused when it is being dismissed.

Personally I think it would have been a great double album with Corperate World on disk 2 as well as some of the stuff from Graffiti Bridge. Songs like Release It and Shake kick ass as well.

I agree, their ballads on Pandemonium are pretty lame, but that is the case whenever they do a ballad. I really don't think they were made for those types of songs. It isn't their strength.

Ditto. For me, Skillet and Blondie, oh my! Whenever I want to listen to The Time, this is the first album I pull out. It is SOOOO much fun, has so much energy, and the songs are really, really good.

deangela said:

madhouseman said:

I still think it is a fantastic album. I'd put Skillet and Blondie up against almost anything that was recorded by The Time. It shows their growth as well as their range. You couldn't release a greatest hits album without at least 4-5 tracks from that album (Blondie, Skillet, Chocolate, Pandemonium and Jerk Out), so I am always confused when it is being dismissed.

Personally I think it would have been a great double album with Corperate World on disk 2 as well as some of the stuff from Graffiti Bridge. Songs like Release It and Shake kick ass as well.

I agree, their ballads on Pandemonium are pretty lame, but that is the case whenever they do a ballad. I really don't think they were made for those types of songs. It isn't their strength.

Ditto. For me, Skillet and Blondie, oh my! Whenever I want to listen to The Time, this is the first album I pull out. It is SOOOO much fun, has so much energy, and the songs are really, really good.

I'm happy to see I'm not the only Pandemonium fan on here. For a long time it seemed like I was, this album got slammed by orgers so much.