Some real bitterness going around now that the chickens are home to roost.

runawayslave said:

sextonseven said:

I hope it isn't. I was very disappointed with Musicology.

THen I guess you missed something. It got Prince back on the charts and a Grammy - which doesnt mean what it once did but then music isnt what it once was.

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Beyonce is on the charts and wins Grammys too. 'Nuff said.

paisleypark4 said:

vainandy said:

We had three local record stores for decades. The last one of the three finally closed earlier this year. Listen to college radio? Hell, I want some funk, not some damn jazz which is what the local college radio is. As for the internet, yes, I have it now but for how long? I'm on a one year trial discounted rate. If they don't let me continue at the discounted rate at the end of the year, I may drop it. Not everyone has money for these high priced monthly fees.

My point is, you shouldn't have to pay to be able to "find" good music when there is a radio that should be playing it. And as for the radio not playing the best stuff back in the day, well, I live in a predominately black area so yes, the radio did play the best music back in the day. There have been very few good old songs that I had never heard before that I've come across in recent years that weren't played on our local stations back in the day. Hell, we used to even have a few local funk groups back in the day and local radio promoted the hell out of them. That old "you've always had to search for good music" routine is a damn lie because I never had to search until the 1990s came along and shit hop and neo stool took over.

As for downloading, the only stuff I've ever downloaded has been stuff that is impossible to find in the record stores because it is out of print and the only way to find it is if you're lucky enough to find it in a used record store. Yes, I've bought much stuff from the used record stores also and the artist already made their money when it was originally bought. It's not like the used record store can call up the label and have them to send them more copies. And a download ain't nothing but a copy anyway. Hell, I'd rather have it on a physical format with a cover anyway so I refuse to pay for something that is simply a copy. Actually, the music industry hung it's own self when they got away from vinyl. You can record a cassette yourself. Nowadays, you can record a CD yourself. You still can't record your own vinyl. That's the format they should have kept and they wouldn't be in this mess right now because I've never felt like I truly own something if I could record it on something myself.

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You can record vinyl. You just have to pay $50 to $100 bux to the international vinyl maker and send your own artwork in and they will make an album for you. Heck those will NEVER be cheap to make or process. The vinyl makers already go for about $1500 and more.

ITunes is free (with the internet of course) and has hundreds of r&b stations and a couple that contain funk only..Traxx Funk is my favorite.

Not alot of people are buying physical cds today unfortunately...I have even gone the throw away my cd cases route (taking up too much damn space) but I still buy vinyl from Amazon or Gemm from mom and pop shoups worldwide. The record stores around here are ok, but if I am going to try and buy Shock or a Funkadelic vinyl used dont count on it.

Andy you are in control of your own funky destiny, stop letting corporate make you depressed about what you are not listening to. FIGHT BACK. I have been doing it since 1991.

Oh I do fight back, believe that. Since R&B radio refuses to give airplay to anything other than something with a shit hop or neo stool sound and after seeing how sales have dropped due to downloading and folks making copies for each other, I don't discourage these youngsters from downloading it, I tell them they should download it. Hell, let them run their own music out of style by breaking the labels that won't let it go out of style. Hey, they're just hanging themselves when they download it for free.

I also stopped buying new albums by old artists I grew up with that sell out to that sound. I just faced reality because what's the point of owning an entire collection of an artist, just because of who they are, if you don't like the product they are putting out? When an artist releases something that I like, I buy it, and when they release something I don't like, I simply don't buy it. It's that simple. But I've stopped giving passes to artists and buying their new music simply because they've made a lot of music that I've loved from the past. I left The Barkays last two albums sitting on the record store shelves, I didn't even consider buying that rediculous Ronald Isley and Charlie Wilson solo bullshit, I left Cameo's last one of the record store shelf. I've just made up my mind, if you ain't gonna throwdown and I do mean, throwdown HARD, then you ain't gonna get my money.

vainandy said:

paisleypark4 said:

You can record vinyl. You just have to pay $50 to $100 bux to the international vinyl maker and send your own artwork in and they will make an album for you. Heck those will NEVER be cheap to make or process. The vinyl makers already go for about $1500 and more.

ITunes is free (with the internet of course) and has hundreds of r&b stations and a couple that contain funk only..Traxx Funk is my favorite.

Not alot of people are buying physical cds today unfortunately...I have even gone the throw away my cd cases route (taking up too much damn space) but I still buy vinyl from Amazon or Gemm from mom and pop shoups worldwide. The record stores around here are ok, but if I am going to try and buy Shock or a Funkadelic vinyl used dont count on it.

Andy you are in control of your own funky destiny, stop letting corporate make you depressed about what you are not listening to. FIGHT BACK. I have been doing it since 1991.

Oh I do fight back, believe that. Since R&B radio refuses to give airplay to anything other than something with a shit hop or neo stool sound and after seeing how sales have dropped due to downloading and folks making copies for each other, I don't discourage these youngsters from downloading it, I tell them they should download it. Hell, let them run their own music out of style by breaking the labels that won't let it go out of style. Hey, they're just hanging themselves when they download it for free.

I also stopped buying new albums by old artists I grew up with that sell out to that sound. I just faced reality because what's the point of owning an entire collection of an artist, just because of who they are, if you don't like the product they are putting out? When an artist releases something that I like, I buy it, and when they release something I don't like, I simply don't buy it. It's that simple. But I've stopped giving passes to artists and buying their new music simply because they've made a lot of music that I've loved from the past. I left The Barkays last two albums sitting on the record store shelves, I didn't even consider buying that rediculous Ronald Isley and Charlie Wilson solo bullshit, I left Cameo's last one of the record store shelf. I've just made up my mind, if you ain't gonna throwdown and I do mean, throwdown HARD, then you ain't gonna get my money.

What is your opinion of the albums in this thread? http://prince.org/msg/8/363266

sextonseven said:

vainandy said:

Oh I do fight back, believe that. Since R&B radio refuses to give airplay to anything other than something with a shit hop or neo stool sound and after seeing how sales have dropped due to downloading and folks making copies for each other, I don't discourage these youngsters from downloading it, I tell them they should download it. Hell, let them run their own music out of style by breaking the labels that won't let it go out of style. Hey, they're just hanging themselves when they download it for free.

I also stopped buying new albums by old artists I grew up with that sell out to that sound. I just faced reality because what's the point of owning an entire collection of an artist, just because of who they are, if you don't like the product they are putting out? When an artist releases something that I like, I buy it, and when they release something I don't like, I simply don't buy it. It's that simple. But I've stopped giving passes to artists and buying their new music simply because they've made a lot of music that I've loved from the past. I left The Barkays last two albums sitting on the record store shelves, I didn't even consider buying that rediculous Ronald Isley and Charlie Wilson solo bullshit, I left Cameo's last one of the record store shelf. I've just made up my mind, if you ain't gonna throwdown and I do mean, throwdown HARD, then you ain't gonna get my money.

What is your opinion of the albums in this thread? http://prince.org/msg/8/363266

I've never heard of them. But if they are current funk artists, the fact that I haven't heard of them is the problem and the point I've been making all along. Where does a funk artist belong? On R&B radio, that's where they belong.

I've come across similar threads like that from time to time on the org though and they are usually bands that have a very early 1970s sound. My favorite era of funk is from probably around 1975 or so when disco came along and a lot of funk bands lost a lot of the jazz sound and evolved into a more dance type of sound, on up through the early 1980s when funk had some new wave and rock influence in it also. Even some of the funk of the late 1980s also. My problem isn't with funk evolving and sounding different because I've always gone with the flow and welcomed style changes. My problem is when shit hop came along in the 1990s, the style changes stopped. Yeah, changes have evolved in R&B since the 1990s but they haven't evolved from around music or funk, they've evolved around shit hop. It's like since the 1990s, shit hop has become the foundation for what R&B should evolve around and any changes in R&B should include shit hop in them. I want shit hop gone completely. It has more than lived it's life and has worn out it's welcome. It has dominated the 1990s, the 2000s, and is still dominating the 2010s. That's three decades. Imagine if the music of the 1980s had still sounded like the music of the 1950s. It's time for a totally different sound altogether without any trace of shit hop whatsoever in it.

As for the artists in that thread, if they are early 1970s sounding ones, even though they aren't my thing, I don't down them for it. At least they are doing something 100% completely different than what's been done for the last two decades and the beginning of a third decade. Enough is enough already. Get rid of those cheap sounding shit hop drum machines that just barely tap, speed up the tempo, and start jamming again.

sextonseven said:

runawayslave said:

THen I guess you missed something. It got Prince back on the charts and a Grammy - which doesnt mean what it once did but then music isnt what it once was.

Beyonce is on the charts and wins Grammys too. 'Nuff said.

Exactly.

MickyDolenz said:

funksterr said:

Quite a feat consindering they really have NEVER made a record before, lol.

Half of Pandemonium was by them, and technically Fishnet & Love Is A Game are The Time, minus Monte.

Come on Micky don't you know Prince controlled all of Pandemonium. Don't you know by

now these guys can't go to the toilet and piss without Prince holding their hand.

vainandy said:

Zannaloaf said:

Then enjoy not hearing any good new music if it's not dished up on a platter. Not ALL the best stuff was on radio back in the day either. Sure didn't hear Weather Report and return to Forever on the radio where I lived. But I found it anyway. You can go to a local record store - some places still have them. You are ON the internet so go listen to samples in iTunes, listen to FREE college radio. Figure out what you like then go buy it. You don't DESERVE to be stealing peoples art. I suppose if someone took all the trouble to break into your house they deserve anything they can steal? Ridiculous! If the music industry is dead then why bother complaining?

We had three local record stores for decades. The last one of the three finally closed earlier this year. Listen to college radio? Hell, I want some funk, not some damn jazz which is what the local college radio is. As for the internet, yes, I have it now but for how long? I'm on a one year trial discounted rate. If they don't let me continue at the discounted rate at the end of the year, I may drop it. Not everyone has money for these high priced monthly fees.

My point is, you shouldn't have to pay to be able to "find" good music when there is a radio that should be playing it. And as for the radio not playing the best stuff back in the day, well, I live in a predominately black area so yes, the radio did play the best music back in the day. There have been very few good old songs that I had never heard before that I've come across in recent years that weren't played on our local stations back in the day. Hell, we used to even have a few local funk groups back in the day and local radio promoted the hell out of them. That old "you've always had to search for good music" routine is a damn lie because I never had to search until the 1990s came along and shit hop and neo stool took over.

As for downloading, the only stuff I've ever downloaded has been stuff that is impossible to find in the record stores because it is out of print and the only way to find it is if you're lucky enough to find it in a used record store. Yes, I've bought much stuff from the used record stores also and the artist already made their money when it was originally bought. It's not like the used record store can call up the label and have them to send them more copies. And a download ain't nothing but a copy anyway. Hell, I'd rather have it on a physical format with a cover anyway so I refuse to pay for something that is simply a copy. Actually, the music industry hung it's own self when they got away from vinyl. You can record a cassette yourself. Nowadays, you can record a CD yourself. You still can't record your own vinyl. That's the format they should have kept and they wouldn't be in this mess right now because I've never felt like I truly own something if I could record it on something myself.

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If you don't embrace some facet or facets of technology you will always be singing the

same song. I feel you on paying to download music. That's a big hell no for me too. You

can always find good shit on Youtube. Sometimes it slaps you on the back of the head

without you even realizing it. To answer you and paisley. You can record your own vinyl.

I do it often when time allows. You don't have to pay an independent retailer 30 or more

bucks to do it because they are gonna charge you primarily for their time. All you need to

do is simply do what folks been telling you Vain use the internet.

That's the same rule to find out how to record your vinyl albums. I just recorded ConFunkShun's

Touch album i had since high school with clicks and pops. With the software tools i have i

was able to eliminate it and come out with a nice cd.

vainandy said:

As for downloading, the only stuff I've ever downloaded has been stuff that is impossible to find in the record stores because it is out of print and the only way to find it is if you're lucky enough to find it in a used record store. Yes, I've bought much stuff from the used record stores also and the artist already made their money when it was originally bought.

I don't download either. I prefer a product I can play and look at the artwork. As far as used records go, the act probably didn't get paid from the original purchase. Very few acts made much money from record sales.

runawayslave said:

It got Prince back on the charts

Not really. It was only in the top 10 when there were concerts in the given week. When there wasn't, it disappeared. Giving it away is not the same as someone buying it of their own choice. If a family of 5 went to the show, then they got 5 CD's. In ordinary circumstances, 5 people in a household are not likely to buy the same album.

phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

We had three local record stores for decades. The last one of the three finally closed earlier this year. Listen to college radio? Hell, I want some funk, not some damn jazz which is what the local college radio is. As for the internet, yes, I have it now but for how long? I'm on a one year trial discounted rate. If they don't let me continue at the discounted rate at the end of the year, I may drop it. Not everyone has money for these high priced monthly fees.

My point is, you shouldn't have to pay to be able to "find" good music when there is a radio that should be playing it. And as for the radio not playing the best stuff back in the day, well, I live in a predominately black area so yes, the radio did play the best music back in the day. There have been very few good old songs that I had never heard before that I've come across in recent years that weren't played on our local stations back in the day. Hell, we used to even have a few local funk groups back in the day and local radio promoted the hell out of them. That old "you've always had to search for good music" routine is a damn lie because I never had to search until the 1990s came along and shit hop and neo stool took over.

As for downloading, the only stuff I've ever downloaded has been stuff that is impossible to find in the record stores because it is out of print and the only way to find it is if you're lucky enough to find it in a used record store. Yes, I've bought much stuff from the used record stores also and the artist already made their money when it was originally bought. It's not like the used record store can call up the label and have them to send them more copies. And a download ain't nothing but a copy anyway. Hell, I'd rather have it on a physical format with a cover anyway so I refuse to pay for something that is simply a copy. Actually, the music industry hung it's own self when they got away from vinyl. You can record a cassette yourself. Nowadays, you can record a CD yourself. You still can't record your own vinyl. That's the format they should have kept and they wouldn't be in this mess right now because I've never felt like I truly own something if I could record it on something myself.

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[Edited 10/11/11 12:21pm]

To answer you and paisley. You can record your own vinyl.

I do it often when time allows. You don't have to pay an independent retailer 30 or more

bucks to do it because they are gonna charge you primarily for their time. All you need to

do is simply do what folks been telling you Vain use the internet.

That's the same rule to find out how to record your vinyl albums. I just recorded ConFunkShun's

Touch album i had since high school with clicks and pops. With the software tools i have i

was able to eliminate it and come out with a nice cd.

O no I meant actually making your own physical vinyl album, not vinyl to cd or mp3. Lots of artists..especially indie pop and indie rock have been releasing their singles on 45's and limited 12". Nice way of promoting yourself.

MickyDolenz said:

funksterr said:

Quite a feat consindering they really have NEVER made a record before, lol.

Half of Pandemonium was by them, and technically Fishnet & Love Is A Game are The Time, minus Monte.

I know all of that, I was just joking. That's why I wrote "lol". But at the same time they have never been COMPLETELY free, all 7 guys together, to do whatever they wanted until now. As it turns out we are in for one helluva ride with this record. Music fans whose tastes haven't evolved to include the sounds of today are gonna hate. But no amount of hating can turn back the SONIC DELICIOUSNESS of "Strawberry Lake". This album, which is not anything like what most of us expected, is already a classic and it hasn't even COME OUT YET!!!!!! That's how good those first 7-10 previews are.

phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

We had three local record stores for decades. The last one of the three finally closed earlier this year. Listen to college radio? Hell, I want some funk, not some damn jazz which is what the local college radio is. As for the internet, yes, I have it now but for how long? I'm on a one year trial discounted rate. If they don't let me continue at the discounted rate at the end of the year, I may drop it. Not everyone has money for these high priced monthly fees.

My point is, you shouldn't have to pay to be able to "find" good music when there is a radio that should be playing it. And as for the radio not playing the best stuff back in the day, well, I live in a predominately black area so yes, the radio did play the best music back in the day. There have been very few good old songs that I had never heard before that I've come across in recent years that weren't played on our local stations back in the day. Hell, we used to even have a few local funk groups back in the day and local radio promoted the hell out of them. That old "you've always had to search for good music" routine is a damn lie because I never had to search until the 1990s came along and shit hop and neo stool took over.

As for downloading, the only stuff I've ever downloaded has been stuff that is impossible to find in the record stores because it is out of print and the only way to find it is if you're lucky enough to find it in a used record store. Yes, I've bought much stuff from the used record stores also and the artist already made their money when it was originally bought. It's not like the used record store can call up the label and have them to send them more copies. And a download ain't nothing but a copy anyway. Hell, I'd rather have it on a physical format with a cover anyway so I refuse to pay for something that is simply a copy. Actually, the music industry hung it's own self when they got away from vinyl. You can record a cassette yourself. Nowadays, you can record a CD yourself. You still can't record your own vinyl. That's the format they should have kept and they wouldn't be in this mess right now because I've never felt like I truly own something if I could record it on something myself.

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[Edited 10/11/11 12:21pm]

If you don't embrace some facet or facets of technology you will always be singing the

same song. I feel you on paying to download music. That's a big hell no for me too. You

can always find good shit on Youtube. Sometimes it slaps you on the back of the head

without you even realizing it. To answer you and paisley. You can record your own vinyl.

I do it often when time allows. You don't have to pay an independent retailer 30 or more

bucks to do it because they are gonna charge you primarily for their time. All you need to

do is simply do what folks been telling you Vain use the internet.

That's the same rule to find out how to record your vinyl albums. I just recorded ConFunkShun's

Touch album i had since high school with clicks and pops. With the software tools i have i

was able to eliminate it and come out with a nice cd.

You totally misunderstood what I said. I wasn't referring to recording vinyl onto a CD. Hell, I've been doing that with a CD recorder (a stereo component) since 2002. You just plug it in the auxilary jack in the back of your stereo reciever and the record the vinyl onto a CD just like you were making a cassette tape.

I said the music industry was stupid as hell and hung their own selves when they gravitated away from vinyl and started pushing things onto the public such as cassette tapes, and later CDs, which people can record themselves. When I said you can't record your own vinyl, I meant you can't take a song that you have either borrowed from someone or downloaded, and record it onto your own vinyl record. Hell, they don't even make blank vinyl records. That is, unless you go to a record label and ask them to do it and if that's the case, you might as well just go ahead and buy the damn song because it would be a hell of a lot cheaper. If the recording industry continued on with vinyl, they wouldn't be in the mess they are in today unless someone invented a way to make their own vinyl records for cheap.

As for moving on with technology, I move on with the gadgets that are affordable and sensible. Like all these rediculous TV home theater packages. Hell, plug your damn TV into the back of your stereo receiver and it will play through the stereo speakers just like the home theater packages that cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars. People are just stupid these days and spend big money just so they can brag and say they have "the latest thing".

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MickyDolenz said:

runawayslave said:

It got Prince back on the charts

Not really. It was only in the top 10 when there were concerts in the given week. When there wasn't, it disappeared. Giving it away is not the same as someone buying it of their own choice. If a family of 5 went to the show, then they got 5 CD's. In ordinary circumstances, 5 people in a household are not likely to buy the same album.

And the majority of the people that went to the concerts, went to hear the old songs, not the ones from the latest album. I don't see someone not making it onto the charts these days as a failure though. Hell, look at the bullshit that's on the charts these days. I see someone that makes it onto the charts in this day and age as a sellout because the way music sounds these days is a fucking disgrace and is the furthest thing from "music".

paisleypark4 said:

phunkdaddy said:

To answer you and paisley. You can record your own vinyl.

I do it often when time allows. You don't have to pay an independent retailer 30 or more

bucks to do it because they are gonna charge you primarily for their time. All you need to

do is simply do what folks been telling you Vain use the internet.

That's the same rule to find out how to record your vinyl albums. I just recorded ConFunkShun's

Touch album i had since high school with clicks and pops. With the software tools i have i

was able to eliminate it and come out with a nice cd.

O no I meant actually making your own physical vinyl album, not vinyl to cd or mp3. Lots of artists..especially indie pop and indie rock have been releasing their singles on 45's and limited 12". Nice way of promoting yourself.

vainandy said:

sextonseven said:

What is your opinion of the albums in this thread? http://prince.org/msg/8/363266

I've never heard of them. But if they are current funk artists, the fact that I haven't heard of them is the problem and the point I've been making all along. Where does a funk artist belong? On R&B radio, that's where they belong.

I've come across similar threads like that from time to time on the org though and they are usually bands that have a very early 1970s sound.

I usually dont see you in those threads when they come out, but I have seen you embrace a couple new funk-dance artists. If it wasnt for you I would have never heard SebastiAn.

paisleypark4 said:

vainandy said:

I've never heard of them. But if they are current funk artists, the fact that I haven't heard of them is the problem and the point I've been making all along. Where does a funk artist belong? On R&B radio, that's where they belong.

I've come across similar threads like that from time to time on the org though and they are usually bands that have a very early 1970s sound.

I usually dont see you in those threads when they come out, but I have seen you embrace a couple new funk-dance artists. If it wasnt for you I would have never heard SebastiAn.

I saw that one on HamsterHuey's facebook page and loved it. FrenchGuy hipped me to a few folks and so did you. SoulAlive hipped me to Jamiroquai years ago. I just think it's a damn shame that white artists overseas outjam black artists here in the States by far these days. I mean, white European artists getting down while black American artists are stuck in a slow Lawrence Welk mode. I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone.

vainandy said:

paisleypark4 said:

I usually dont see you in those threads when they come out, but I have seen you embrace a couple new funk-dance artists. If it wasnt for you I would have never heard SebastiAn.

I saw that one on HamsterHuey's facebook page and loved it. FrenchGuy hipped me to a few folks and so did you. SoulAlive hipped me to Jamiroquai years ago. I just think it's a damn shame that white artists overseas outjam black artists here in the States by far these days. I mean, white European artists getting down while black American artists are stuck in a slow Lawrence Welk mode. I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone.

I know. Dam Funk is really the only STRAIGHT 80's synth FUNK african american artist I know in America that has been successful so far. He deserves alot of credit for. He is also an orger. I strive to be that..but I'm un-motivated in Mpls and my style can be quite experiemental.

Overseas there are a good plenty of caucasian or foreign artists doing the THANG. The french dance scene's sound has been awesome and only finally America has been grabbing a hold of the Dub-Step / Euro dance stuff that was coming out 10 years ago due to the massive amounts of money spent on crap versions of hip hop on the radio in America.

The Time's new album from the snippets sound almost modern at most. #Trendin has a nice pop / r&b vibe..not QUITE funky but heavy on punch snares and synth...I'll take it. They could have done Prince in the 90's and sound JUST like everyone else, but I think Morris' character will shine.

Trendin' is OK but the drums are awful on it.

Strawberry Lake sounds like the best one from the snippets.

Mong said:

Trendin' is OK but the drums are awful on it.

Strawberry Lake sounds like the best one from the snippets.

Yeah but the chemistry and the song structure pulled me in. Strawberry Lake soudns cool....

vainandy said:

phunkdaddy said:

How?

To the shit hop and neo stool sound.

Jam and Lewis has never produced a neo soul song in their lives.

This is very 90's. Sounds nothing like shit hop.

phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

To the shit hop and neo stool sound.

Jam and Lewis has never produced a neo soul song in their lives.

This is very 90's. Sounds nothing like shit hop.

The type of drum or drum machine does the way it doesn't beat quite hard enough and the way she sings the chorus. It feels stripped down like it's missing something like maybe bass. I'm a sucker for hard drums and a funky bassline and I'm not feeling them. It just feels like "the 90s". Hell, that's the problem. The 90s are over and good riddance to them so people need to let them end instead of continuing them over into the 2000s and now the 2010s. Lord knows the 90s was the worst decade in history. I wish I could just erase them from my memory altogether as bad as an ex-whore who's joined the church wants to erase her past.

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vainandy said:

phunkdaddy said:

Jam and Lewis has never produced a neo soul song in their lives.

This is very 90's. Sounds nothing like shit hop.

The type of drum or drum machine does the way it doesn't beat quite hard enough and the way she sings the chorus. It feels stripped down like it's missing something like maybe bass. I'm a sucker for hard drums and a funky bassline and I'm not feeling them. It just feels like "the 90s". Hell, that's the problem. The 90s are over and good riddance to them so people need to let them end instead of continuing them over into the 2000s and now the 2010s. Lord knows the 90s was the worst decade in history. I wish I could just erase them from my memory altogether as bad as an ex-whore who's joined the church wants to erase her past.

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Gotta love your devotion to the ole school, Vainandy! But, I am looking forward to the new album. I may not like all the songs, but I'm gonna give it the ole school try!

safetypin said:

I'm gonna pick up this CD on Tuesday.I haven't been this excited about a new album in a looooooong time

whendovescry2000 said:

Once again people have forgotten that the time is Prince, Dez, Lisa, Morris Day on drums / vocals and "various girlfriends". Jam and Lewis were not composing the music that we consider being the time. Their biggest hits were jungle Love and the Bird again non Jam and Lewis compositions. The Time is done. Way past their time. When pandemonium was released, that was when they should have follow up with another cd. Morris can't sing, the I'm so cool routine is like watching the pimp in gonna hit u sucka trying to step.they need to not just up date their sound but the style/routine. Save it for the live shows. Maybe hook up with Raphael Saadiq.

PrinceFAMS... they love what they THINK Prince is invovled with and they HATE when they think he is not. I know this... Prince sound like "shti when he sings "Jungle Love" and "The Bird" and that really can't be denied.

funksterr said:

whendovescry2000 said:

funksterr said:

PrinceFAMS... they love what they THINK Prince is invovled with and they HATE when they think he is not. I know this... Prince sound like "shti when he sings "Jungle Love" and "The Bird" and that really can't be denied.

Sorry idiot, that wasn't a bias comment. I stated facts. You must be one of "those" APRS (after Purple Rain fans). Why don't you go back and listen to the first and second The Time CDs and listen. You can HEAR Prince singing. With regards to how Prince sounds singing Jungle Love or the Bird, doesn't mean he didn't write it idiot.

What "facts" did you state? Actually you only demonstrated your OWN IGNORANCE. That's what FAMS do. They don't know anything beyond their own admiration for Prince. They FEAR anyone doing anything that's good besides Prince.

You said Morris couldn't sing, right? But your name is When Doves Cry... a track that stands out as a glaring example of studio tape speed manipulation and vocal stacking techniques to try to make a singer sound better than he really is. Morris has a vocal ability that Prince CAN'T MATCH. That's no secret. Prince himself has said many times he can't sing well in full voice. That's why he preens, and squeals, and yelps and whispers and talk-shouts, etc. He can't just simply sing the song and when he does his voice is not smooth and has a bitter timber that ain't good. But your beef is with Morris right? You don't hear Prince at his live shows vocalizing off the melody and talk-shouting his way through songs. No your ears only perk up when Prince isn't singing lead. Um yeah, you are a FAM.

You also said that The Time is "Prince, Dez, Lisa, Morris Day on drums / vocals and "various girlfriends"". More FAM haterade ignorance. The group, the name, the fashion, EVEN THE MUSIC ITSELF, to some extent pre-dates Prince's involvement and is the work of others. No The full band is not on most of the early albums. It would actually be PRETTY BAD for them if that is how they sound. Prince, God-bless him, doesn't sound as good as the full band. It's kind of a cute gimmick that he played most of the parts, and as a writer producer it was his perogative to produce the album how he saw fit, but I think it would be an INSULT to these guys talents, to say that's them on those records. They are BETTER than that. Again Prince's studio technique was successful and enjoyable and all, but don't try to take swings at these guys like they aren't pop funk and soul legends because they had to operate early in the band's history under Prince's management.

Now bring me some more facts.....