vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

Well in a way, Jam & Lewis are responsible for some of today's sound, so technically it's theirs and so are not copying.

Those two sold out in the 1990s so I'm not surprised the new Time album is sellout stuff also. Actually, I was expecting it to be a bunch of bullshit and would have been shocked if it wasn't. Prince is the only one left that still throws down these days and unfortunately, even he sells out on some tracks.

You mean he rehashes his own sound from 30 years ago but less better? Live he still may, but on vinyl he's gotten pretty boring and predictible. Same synth patches, swapping out melody lines from one instrument to a new instrument, seriously underwhelming production (even more so that in the old says) and weal weak lyrics. You may not like what these guys are doing but comparing them to what Prince has done recently is hilarious.

MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Those two sold out in the 1990s so I'm not surprised the new Time album is sellout stuff also. Actually, I was expecting it to be a bunch of bullshit and would have been shocked if it wasn't. Prince is the only one left that still throws down these days and unfortunately, even he sells out on some tracks.

Jimmy, Terry, & Jesse worked on Chaka Khan's Funk This album and it was more of an older sound. One of the snippets on the new Original 7ven album sounds like Sly and the Family Stone, and that's not a "today's sound" either.

I bought "Funk This"....big disappointment. There was not one funk track on the whole damn album and the only thing I liked was one of the slow songs. I hated everything else on it. Too neo stool sounding.

As for The Time's Sly and The Family Stone type new song. I heard that snip. Yeah, it was OK, it was decent, but decent don't cut it when I'm spending my money. That's one song though and it even wasn't that hot. Yeah, I think I heard maybe one or two rock inpired tracks too (big thrill ) but the majority of what I heard as a whole was plenty of shit hop sounding drum machines and neo stool influence that sound like the songs were recorded in hopes of gaining some of today's listeners. One song that sounds like today's sound is one song too many, let alone several of them. I'm not spending one cent of my money on anything that even slightly resembles even a small fraction of today's sound. You can pick out different tracks that may sound slightly different and yeah, some of them do, but they still have today's sound mixed in with them which ruins the whole song.

Zannaloaf said:

vainandy said:

Those two sold out in the 1990s so I'm not surprised the new Time album is sellout stuff also. Actually, I was expecting it to be a bunch of bullshit and would have been shocked if it wasn't. Prince is the only one left that still throws down these days and unfortunately, even he sells out on some tracks.

You mean he rehashes his own sound from 30 years ago but less better? Live he still may, but on vinyl he's gotten pretty boring and predictible. Same synth patches, swapping out melody lines from one instrument to a new instrument, seriously underwhelming production (even more so that in the old says) and weal weak lyrics. You may not like what these guys are doing but comparing them to what Prince has done recently is hilarious.

If he beat on two tin cans with a stick, it would still sound better than anything that resembles today's mainstream sound (a sound that hasn't really majorly changed since the early 1990s and is lonnnnnnnng overdue for a change).

Well if you want even more proof that "The Time" includes Prince and always has, here it is. This more than anything shows how much the Time was Prince and recapturing that magic is impossible without him. I will burn this album from the net as I did Verbal Penetration (still the all time worst album title) because I will not want to pay money for it as a result of the disappointment of not getting a real Time album.

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funkyhead said:

wow, Strawberry Lake is pure Purple!. Love these samples and you can sense that there's a lot of grooves and strong hookes in a lot of these trax. In many ways they have done what P has managed to do since 2004's Musicology i.e. go back to their original basic sound and try to modernise it or as we tend to say give us the P-Lite sound!. However on 1st impressions it sounds like they have been more successful in mixing the old time sound with the sounds of today.

Do you really think that if they released C.O.O.L or Jungle Love today it would stand a chance?.

As always good luck guys.

This is hardly the modernized throwback masterpiece that Musicology was.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

Jimmy, Terry, & Jesse worked on Chaka Khan's Funk This album and it was more of an older sound. One of the snippets on the new Original 7ven album sounds like Sly and the Family Stone, and that's not a "today's sound" either.

I bought "Funk This"....big disappointment. There was not one funk track on the whole damn album and the only thing I liked was one of the slow songs. I hated everything else on it. Too neo stool sounding.

U didnt like Super Life? The bass on that was slammin.

runawayslave said:

funkyhead said:

wow, Strawberry Lake is pure Purple!. Love these samples and you can sense that there's a lot of grooves and strong hookes in a lot of these trax. In many ways they have done what P has managed to do since 2004's Musicology i.e. go back to their original basic sound and try to modernise it or as we tend to say give us the P-Lite sound!. However on 1st impressions it sounds like they have been more successful in mixing the old time sound with the sounds of today.

Do you really think that if they released C.O.O.L or Jungle Love today it would stand a chance?.

As always good luck guys.

This is hardly the modernized throwback masterpiece that Musicology was.

Musicology was no masterpiece Decent album,yes.

runawayslave said:

funkyhead said:

wow, Strawberry Lake is pure Purple!. Love these samples and you can sense that there's a lot of grooves and strong hookes in a lot of these trax. In many ways they have done what P has managed to do since 2004's Musicology i.e. go back to their original basic sound and try to modernise it or as we tend to say give us the P-Lite sound!. However on 1st impressions it sounds like they have been more successful in mixing the old time sound with the sounds of today.

Do you really think that if they released C.O.O.L or Jungle Love today it would stand a chance?.

As always good luck guys.

This is hardly the modernized throwback masterpiece that Musicology was.

Uhhh. It sounds better than Musicology, actually, and I loves me some Priontz.

vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

Well in a way, Jam & Lewis are responsible for some of today's sound, so technically it's theirs and so are not copying.

Those two sold out in the 1990s so I'm not surprised the new Time album is sellout stuff also. Actually, I was expecting it to be a bunch of bullshit and would have been shocked if it wasn't. Prince is the only one left that still throws down these days and unfortunately, even he sells out on some tracks.

How?

runawayslave said:

funkyhead said:

wow, Strawberry Lake is pure Purple!. Love these samples and you can sense that there's a lot of grooves and strong hookes in a lot of these trax. In many ways they have done what P has managed to do since 2004's Musicology i.e. go back to their original basic sound and try to modernise it or as we tend to say give us the P-Lite sound!. However on 1st impressions it sounds like they have been more successful in mixing the old time sound with the sounds of today.

Do you really think that if they released C.O.O.L or Jungle Love today it would stand a chance?.

As always good luck guys.

This is hardly the modernized throwback masterpiece that Musicology was.

I hope it isn't. I was very disappointed with Musicology.

Hard 2 tell from these short samples.... BUT

Role Play

Faithful

Cadillac &

Condensate

They seem like the real jamz that I was hoping for... I'll have to reserve judgement on the rest though.

^Don't know about Cadillac. Could be an uninspired rehash of old ideas.

runawayslave said:

Well if you want even more prrof that "The Time" includes Prince and always has, here it is. This more than anything shows how much the Time was Prince and recapturing that magic is impossible without him. I will burn this album from the net as I did Verbal Penetration (still the all time worst album title) because I will not want to pay money for it as a result of the disappointment of not getting a real Time album.

contrary to popular belief,there is life after Prince Maybe the guys simply wanted to make an album that sounds more like themselves,as opposed to sounding like Prince?

I must be the only one who isn't into "Cadillac"...

vainandy said:

Zannaloaf said:

You mean he rehashes his own sound from 30 years ago but less better? Live he still may, but on vinyl he's gotten pretty boring and predictible. Same synth patches, swapping out melody lines from one instrument to a new instrument, seriously underwhelming production (even more so that in the old says) and weal weak lyrics. You may not like what these guys are doing but comparing them to what Prince has done recently is hilarious.

If he beat on two tin cans with a stick, it would still sound better than anything that resembles today's mainstream sound (a sound that hasn't really majorly changed since the early 1990s and is lonnnnnnnng overdue for a change).

Great bands out there - you just have to look. May not beat Prince in his prime, but they beat him with said sticks right now.

runawayslave said:

Well if you want even more prrof that "The Time" includes Prince and always has, here it is. This more than anything shows how much the Time was Prince and recapturing that magic is impossible without him. I will burn this album from the net as I did Verbal Penetration (still the all time worst album title) because I will not want to pay money for it as a result of the disappointment of not getting a real Time album.

So what you are saying is f Prince isn't involved you'll steal their time, talent and sweat. Nice.

Zannaloaf said:

Great bands out there - you just have to look.

Oh you started it now. Never tell Vainandy that he has to look for music.

SoulAlive said:

runawayslave said:

Well if you want even more prrof that "The Time" includes Prince and always has, here it is. This more than anything shows how much the Time was Prince and recapturing that magic is impossible without him. I will burn this album from the net as I did Verbal Penetration (still the all time worst album title) because I will not want to pay money for it as a result of the disappointment of not getting a real Time album.

contrary to popular belief,there is life after Prince Maybe the guys simply wanted to make an album that sounds more like themselves,as opposed to sounding like Prince?

Actually, I think they sound A LOT like Prince still. "Strawberry Lake" reminds me of "Daddy Pop". "Trendin" at times is similar to "The Bird". The album, based on the previews, isn't as different as first impressions might have seemed.

funksterr said:

SoulAlive said:

contrary to popular belief,there is life after Prince Maybe the guys simply wanted to make an album that sounds more like themselves,as opposed to sounding like Prince?

Actually, I think they sound A LOT like Prince still. "Strawberry Lake" reminds me of "Daddy Pop". "Trendin" at times is similar to "The Bird". The album, based on the previews, isn't as different as first impressions might have seemed.

I definitely hear a Prince/Minneapolis influence on some of the tracks,but they take the music to another level.Keepin' it retro-sounding while still moving ahead.This is what funk sounds like in 2011.

phunkdaddy said:

vainandy said:

Those two sold out in the 1990s so I'm not surprised the new Time album is sellout stuff also. Actually, I was expecting it to be a bunch of bullshit and would have been shocked if it wasn't. Prince is the only one left that still throws down these days and unfortunately, even he sells out on some tracks.

How?

To the shit hop and neo stool sound.

Zannaloaf said:

vainandy said:

If he beat on two tin cans with a stick, it would still sound better than anything that resembles today's mainstream sound (a sound that hasn't really majorly changed since the early 1990s and is lonnnnnnnng overdue for a change).

Great bands out there - you just have to look. May not beat Prince in his prime, but they beat him with said sticks right now.

I ain't looking for shit because I shouldn't have to. I didn't "look" for good music when I was growing up and I'm not about to start now.

And when I do "find" this good music, where am I going to buy it? All the record stores are closed except for bullshit ones like Best Buy and a music section in either Walmart or Target. And those places sure as hell aren't going to have it. That only leaves the internet. Well, don't get me started on the internet because not everyone can afford a computer, let alone a monthly fee for the internet, especially one with a high enough speed to download songs. So when I do "find" this good music these days, that means I'm going to have to download it and since I have to download it, hell no, I'm not going to pay to download it, I'm going to download it for free. Hell, I deserve to have it for free for having to going through the trouble of having to "find" it. I see it as kind of a refund for having to pay for an internet service to "find" it. "Finding" music these days cost money and it shouldn't have to cost money when it could be played on the radio where people could hear it for free. Don't worry though, I won't be downloading any of this new stuff from The Time, free or otherwise.

As far as I'm concerned, the music industry, both soundwise, and retail outlet wise, is dead and completely over.

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SoulAlive said:

funksterr said:

Actually, I think they sound A LOT like Prince still. "Strawberry Lake" reminds me of "Daddy Pop". "Trendin" at times is similar to "The Bird". The album, based on the previews, isn't as different as first impressions might have seemed.

I definitely hear a Prince/Minneapolis influence on some of the tracks,but they take the music to another level.Keepin' it retro-sounding while still moving ahead.This is what funk sounds like in 2011.

That's true. Just played the previews again, and I am just shocked at how good the record sounds. It is shaping up to be greater, by far, than anything they have ever done. Who was expecting that? Quite a feat consindering they really have NEVER made a record before, lol. You can hear and FEEL Terry Lewis's prescence on this album. I'm positive Jesse Johnson managed the final mix on "#trendin" (his fingerprints are all over that thing). Ummm, Prince.....

funksterr said:

Quite a feat consindering they really have NEVER made a record before, lol.

Half of Pandemonium was by them, and technically Fishnet & Love Is A Game are The Time, minus Monte.

This is nothing more than a collection of urban elevator music.

A plate full of appetizers if you will. Where is the main course!?

Everything on this album is too lightweight.

There is not a single slamjam to be found.

If I was in the waiting room at the dentist or in a nursing home I might be excited to hear one of these songs, but when I'm home alone with the speakers cranked, I need something more.

The 'rock' oriented songs sound like a boyband's failed attempt at crossing over. *Morris Day gone emo. (Is Toast To The Party Girl the worst song they have ever done?)

Why would a band like this even bother trying to cater 2 the mainstream at this point?

Which member of the group thought that fans were waiting for a song such as "Hey Yo"?

I can deal with modernization, but come on. The TWO songs that are supposed to be "funky" are very tame to say the least. A single uptempo funk joint is all I was looking for.

vainandy said:

Zannaloaf said:

You mean he rehashes his own sound from 30 years ago but less better? Live he still may, but on vinyl he's gotten pretty boring and predictible. Same synth patches, swapping out melody lines from one instrument to a new instrument, seriously underwhelming production (even more so that in the old says) and weal weak lyrics. You may not like what these guys are doing but comparing them to what Prince has done recently is hilarious.

If he beat on two tin cans with a stick, it would still sound better than anything that resembles today's mainstream sound (a sound that hasn't really majorly changed since the early 1990s and is lonnnnnnnng overdue for a change).

if you only listen to radio.

vainandy said:

Zannaloaf said:

Great bands out there - you just have to look. May not beat Prince in his prime, but they beat him with said sticks right now.

I ain't looking for shit because I shouldn't have to. I didn't "look" for good music when I was growing up and I'm not about to start now.

And when I do "find" this good music, where am I going to buy it? All the record stores are closed except for bullshit ones like Best Buy and a music section in either Walmart or Target. And those places sure as hell aren't going to have it. That only leaves the internet. Well, don't get me started on the internet because not everyone can afford a computer, let alone a monthly fee for the internet, especially one with a high enough speed to download songs. So when I do "find" this good music these days, that means I'm going to have to download it and since I have to download it, hell no, I'm not going to pay to download it, I'm going to download it for free. Hell, I deserve to have it for free for having to going through the trouble of having to "find" it. I see it as kind of a refund for having to pay for an internet service to "find" it. "Finding" music these days cost money and it shouldn't have to cost money when it could be played on the radio where people could hear it for free. Don't worry though, I won't be downloading any of this new stuff from The Time, free or otherwise.

As far as I'm concerned, the music industry, both soundwise, and retail outlet wise, is dead and completely over.

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[Edited 10/11/11 7:32am]

Then enjoy not hearing any good new music if it's not dished up on a platter. Not ALL the best stuff was on radio back in the day either. Sure didn't hear Weather Report and return to Forever on the radio where I lived. But I found it anyway. You can go to a local record store - some places still have them. You are ON the internet so go listen to samples in iTunes, listen to FREE college radio. Figure out what you like then go buy it. You don't DESERVE to be stealing peoples art. I suppose if someone took all the trouble to break into your house they deserve anything they can steal? Ridiculous! If the music industry is dead then why bother complaining?

Zannaloaf said:

vainandy said:

I ain't looking for shit because I shouldn't have to. I didn't "look" for good music when I was growing up and I'm not about to start now.

And when I do "find" this good music, where am I going to buy it? All the record stores are closed except for bullshit ones like Best Buy and a music section in either Walmart or Target. And those places sure as hell aren't going to have it. That only leaves the internet. Well, don't get me started on the internet because not everyone can afford a computer, let alone a monthly fee for the internet, especially one with a high enough speed to download songs. So when I do "find" this good music these days, that means I'm going to have to download it and since I have to download it, hell no, I'm not going to pay to download it, I'm going to download it for free. Hell, I deserve to have it for free for having to going through the trouble of having to "find" it. I see it as kind of a refund for having to pay for an internet service to "find" it. "Finding" music these days cost money and it shouldn't have to cost money when it could be played on the radio where people could hear it for free. Don't worry though, I won't be downloading any of this new stuff from The Time, free or otherwise.

As far as I'm concerned, the music industry, both soundwise, and retail outlet wise, is dead and completely over.

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Then enjoy not hearing any good new music if it's not dished up on a platter. Not ALL the best stuff was on radio back in the day either. Sure didn't hear Weather Report and return to Forever on the radio where I lived. But I found it anyway. You can go to a local record store - some places still have them. You are ON the internet so go listen to samples in iTunes, listen to FREE college radio. Figure out what you like then go buy it. You don't DESERVE to be stealing peoples art. I suppose if someone took all the trouble to break into your house they deserve anything they can steal? Ridiculous! If the music industry is dead then why bother complaining?

Zannaloaf said:

vainandy said:

I ain't looking for shit because I shouldn't have to. I didn't "look" for good music when I was growing up and I'm not about to start now.

And when I do "find" this good music, where am I going to buy it? All the record stores are closed except for bullshit ones like Best Buy and a music section in either Walmart or Target. And those places sure as hell aren't going to have it. That only leaves the internet. Well, don't get me started on the internet because not everyone can afford a computer, let alone a monthly fee for the internet, especially one with a high enough speed to download songs. So when I do "find" this good music these days, that means I'm going to have to download it and since I have to download it, hell no, I'm not going to pay to download it, I'm going to download it for free. Hell, I deserve to have it for free for having to going through the trouble of having to "find" it. I see it as kind of a refund for having to pay for an internet service to "find" it. "Finding" music these days cost money and it shouldn't have to cost money when it could be played on the radio where people could hear it for free. Don't worry though, I won't be downloading any of this new stuff from The Time, free or otherwise.

As far as I'm concerned, the music industry, both soundwise, and retail outlet wise, is dead and completely over.

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[Edited 10/11/11 7:32am]

Then enjoy not hearing any good new music if it's not dished up on a platter. Not ALL the best stuff was on radio back in the day either. Sure didn't hear Weather Report and return to Forever on the radio where I lived. But I found it anyway. You can go to a local record store - some places still have them. You are ON the internet so go listen to samples in iTunes, listen to FREE college radio. Figure out what you like then go buy it. You don't DESERVE to be stealing peoples art. I suppose if someone took all the trouble to break into your house they deserve anything they can steal? Ridiculous! If the music industry is dead then why bother complaining?

We had three local record stores for decades. The last one of the three finally closed earlier this year. Listen to college radio? Hell, I want some funk, not some damn jazz which is what the local college radio is. As for the internet, yes, I have it now but for how long? I'm on a one year trial discounted rate. If they don't let me continue at the discounted rate at the end of the year, I may drop it. Not everyone has money for these high priced monthly fees.

My point is, you shouldn't have to pay to be able to "find" good music when there is a radio that should be playing it. And as for the radio not playing the best stuff back in the day, well, I live in a predominately black area so yes, the radio did play the best music back in the day. There have been very few good old songs that I had never heard before that I've come across in recent years that weren't played on our local stations back in the day. Hell, we used to even have a few local funk groups back in the day and local radio promoted the hell out of them. That old "you've always had to search for good music" routine is a damn lie because I never had to search until the 1990s came along and shit hop and neo stool took over.

As for downloading, the only stuff I've ever downloaded has been stuff that is impossible to find in the record stores because it is out of print and the only way to find it is if you're lucky enough to find it in a used record store. Yes, I've bought much stuff from the used record stores also and the artist already made their money when it was originally bought. It's not like the used record store can call up the label and have them to send them more copies. And a download ain't nothing but a copy anyway. Hell, I'd rather have it on a physical format with a cover anyway so I refuse to pay for something that is simply a copy. Actually, the music industry hung it's own self when they got away from vinyl. You can record a cassette yourself. Nowadays, you can record a CD yourself. You still can't record your own vinyl. That's the format they should have kept and they wouldn't be in this mess right now because I've never felt like I truly own something if I could record it on something myself.

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vainandy said:

Zannaloaf said:

Then enjoy not hearing any good new music if it's not dished up on a platter. Not ALL the best stuff was on radio back in the day either. Sure didn't hear Weather Report and return to Forever on the radio where I lived. But I found it anyway. You can go to a local record store - some places still have them. You are ON the internet so go listen to samples in iTunes, listen to FREE college radio. Figure out what you like then go buy it. You don't DESERVE to be stealing peoples art. I suppose if someone took all the trouble to break into your house they deserve anything they can steal? Ridiculous! If the music industry is dead then why bother complaining?

We had three local record stores for decades. The last one of the three finally closed earlier this year. Listen to college radio? Hell, I want some funk, not some damn jazz which is what the local college radio is. As for the internet, yes, I have it now but for how long? I'm on a one year trial discounted rate. If they don't let me continue at the discounted rate at the end of the year, I may drop it. Not everyone has money for these high priced monthly fees.

My point is, you shouldn't have to pay to be able to "find" good music when there is a radio that should be playing it. And as for the radio not playing the best stuff back in the day, well, I live in a predominately black area so yes, the radio did play the best music back in the day. There have been very few good old songs that I had never heard before that I've come across in recent years that weren't played on our local stations back in the day. Hell, we used to even have a few local funk groups back in the day and local radio promoted the hell out of them. That old "you've always had to search for good music" routine is a damn lie because I never had to search until the 1990s came along and shit hop and neo stool took over.

As for downloading, the only stuff I've ever downloaded has been stuff that is impossible to find in the record stores because it is out of print and the only way to find it is if you're lucky enough to find it in a used record store. Yes, I've bought much stuff from the used record stores also and the artist already made their money when it was originally bought. It's not like the used record store can call up the label and have them to send them more copies. And a download ain't nothing but a copy anyway. Hell, I'd rather have it on a physical format with a cover anyway so I refuse to pay for something that is simply a copy. Actually, the music industry hung it's own self when they got away from vinyl. You can record a cassette yourself. Nowadays, you can record a CD yourself. You still can't record your own vinyl. That's the format they should have kept and they wouldn't be in this mess right now because I've never felt like I truly own something if I could record it on something myself.

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You can record vinyl. You just have to pay $50 to $100 bux to the international vinyl maker and send your own artwork in and they will make an album for you. Heck those will NEVER be cheap to make or process. The vinyl makers already go for about $1500 and more.

ITunes is free (with the internet of course) and has hundreds of r&b stations and a couple that contain funk only..Traxx Funk is my favorite.

Not alot of people are buying physical cds today unfortunately...I have even gone the throw away my cd cases route (taking up too much damn space) but I still buy vinyl from Amazon or Gemm from mom and pop shoups worldwide. The record stores around here are ok, but if I am going to try and buy Shock or a Funkadelic vinyl used dont count on it.

Andy you are in control of your own funky destiny, stop letting corporate make you depressed about what you are not listening to. FIGHT BACK. I have been doing it since 1991.

sextonseven said:

runawayslave said:

This is hardly the modernized throwback masterpiece that Musicology was.

I hope it isn't. I was very disappointed with Musicology.

THen I guess you missed something. It got Prince back on the charts and a Grammy - which doesnt mean what it once did but then music isnt what it once was.

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