just wondering...even the ones who are still cool with him are pretty much regarded as ex-somethings. the ex-time just spent last few months hyping their "freedom" cd, and then Prince just kinda announces a canadian tour that pretty much blew that away. fdeluxe is touring the very small club circuit-- just wondering if any of them got an "invitation" to gig in canada, would they go?

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i'm sure they would go if they get paid. A gig is a gig!

Most definitely! They may be exes, but they ain't crazy! Sharing the stage with Prince in front of thousands of people can only help them. Given that that Condensate has sold under 8,000 copies (at least before the Leno performance) and I imagine Gaslight has sold even less, they could use the extra support. Hopefully Prince allows them to sell their albums at the show.

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some of them would have to swallow some pride, no doubt!

how would he even introduce them? awkward

By the way, I meant that the exes would most definitely accept an invitation to Canada, not that they are envious of Prince. I don't think that they are. I do think that they are annoyed with how he has held them up with band name issues though, but even that is not enough for them to burn their bridges with him. He is Prince after all.

I'm sure for the O7 to do a Canadian date or 2 with P, they would be demanding a little more money than when they were The Time. Especially after seeing Morris going off in the documentary. He really was upset with P. He could be past that now, though.

Fury said:

just wondering...even the ones who are still cool with him are pretty much regarded as ex-somethings. the ex-time just spent last few months hyping their "freedom" cd, and then Prince just kinda announces a canadian tour that pretty much blew that away. fdeluxe is touring the very small club circuit-- just wondering if any of them got an "invitation" to gig in canada, would they go?

How on earth did Prince announcing a little Canadian tour "blow away" O7ven and their new CD? That doesn't even make sense. The only people who give a shit about his little tour are people on this site; the same people who seem to be the main ones who bought and raved about O7ven's new CD. And Prince performing the same ol' shit and saying the same ol' lines over and over again doesn't blow away the fact that O7ven just released a kick-ass CD (their first in 21 years). In fact, it doesn't even compare. Prince touring again? Whoopeddy damn doo.

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Fury said:

just wondering...even the ones who are still cool with him are pretty much regarded as ex-somethings. the ex-time just spent last few months hyping their "freedom" cd, and then Prince just kinda announces a canadian tour that pretty much blew that away. fdeluxe is touring the very small club circuit-- just wondering if any of them got an "invitation" to gig in canada, would they go?

The better question is: Are some Prince fans feeling envious that O7 is doing the damn thing to death without Prince?

funksterr said:

Fury said:

funksterr said:

The better question is: Are some Prince fans feeling envious that O7 is doing the damn thing to death without Prince?

If doing the damn thing means selling 9,000 cd's... Well then yeah.

If sales are your criteria, then Lil Wayne is doing way better than The Original 7ven and Prince put together.

MickyDolenz said:

Fury said:

funksterr said:

The better question is: Are some Prince fans feeling envious that O7 is doing the damn thing to death without Prince?

If doing the damn thing means selling 9,000 cd's... Well then yeah.

What it means is that the music is GOOD! More fun than anything Prince has done pretty much since The Time disbanded. And you can tell because, a certain segment of Prince fans seem desperate for something negative to cling to against O7. Why? Relax. Prince is still talented... I think.

Fury said:

MickyDolenz said:

If sales are your criteria, then Lil Wayne is doing way better than The Original 7ven and Prince put together.

True. I was asking because most of his ex- associates are pretty talented folk but none of them really had any enduring success--and by success I mean sales, not personal satisfaction [Edited 10/29/11 15:15pm]

Oh okay... I get it... you just don't know any better.

funksterr said:

Fury said:

MickyDolenz said:

If sales are your criteria, then Lil Wayne is doing way better than The Original 7ven and Prince put together.

True. I was asking because most of his ex- associates are pretty talented folk but none of them really had any enduring success--and by success I mean sales, not personal satisfaction.

Prince is popular as a concert attraction. But he basically like The Stones, Sting, and Paul McCartney, not many people are buying his new albums. That is if they can find them or know they exist, not everyone has a Target or an European newspaper around. His last really popular album was in 1991. Rod Stewart still sell CDs. Maybe he has to release American Songbook albums to do it, but he's selling. Santana hadn't been selling albums since the 1970's until Clive Davis hooked him up with young acts for Supernatural. The mainstream Top 40 has pretty much always been a teen and people in their 20's thing. They tend not to gravitate to older acts or their parents' music. Was Frank Sinatra & Dean Martin selling in the 1970's? Would this new Tony Bennett album be selling if he wasn't dueting with young popular acts? Probably not. The O7 could have easily done that, especially since Jam & Lewis has produced songs for some of the young acts. Or they could have signed to Def Jam, which they were rumored to be doing. That probably would have resulted in having rappers on the tracks or working with the producer (beatmaker) of the month. But they didn't.

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alexnvrmnd777 said:

Fury said:

just wondering...even the ones who are still cool with him are pretty much regarded as ex-somethings. the ex-time just spent last few months hyping their "freedom" cd, and then Prince just kinda announces a canadian tour that pretty much blew that away. fdeluxe is touring the very small club circuit-- just wondering if any of them got an "invitation" to gig in canada, would they go?

How on earth did Prince announcing a little Canadian tour "blow away" O7ven and their new CD? That doesn't even make sense. The only people who give a shit about his little tour are people on this site; the same people who seem to be the main ones who bought and raved about O7ven's new CD. And Prince performing the same ol' shit and saying the same ol' lines over and over again doesn't blow away the fact that O7ven just released a kick-ass CD (their first in 21 years). In fact, it doesn't even compare. Prince touring again? Whoopeddy damn doo.

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Maybe I'm reading this wrong but have you been to a Prince concert lately? I highly doubt the thousands upon thousands who PACK the house to see Prince NOW, are only members of the Org. Puhleeze. Just because YOU don't care about Prince touring does not mean the rest of the world does not. wishful thinking on your part. I do agree though that I don't understand how the announcement of the tur blows away O7. maybe that is wishful thinking of the person who posted it. who knows.

Fury said:

That's really what I was getting at-- not so much how many cd's are sold, but generally how many people/ fans actually support them. So while it's awesome that O7 is doing it on their own, I would think that they would prefer to have some financial gain out of it too.

The associated artists have done welll for themselves, maybe not huge in sales but they have a good following and have made a career working on a variety of projects. I think O7 so far is doing well considering the music climate has changed so much. the people who support them are those who seek and care about real music. Once their second single is released (oh please let it be "If I Was Your Man") and start touring you will definately hear more about them in the press and there mostly be an increase in sales.

wonder505 said:

Fury said:

some of them would have to swallow some pride, no doubt!

how would he even introduce them? awkward

I think Prince would have to swallow his pride to invite them.

Fury said:

MickyDolenz said:

If sales are your criteria, then Lil Wayne is doing way better than The Original 7ven and Prince put together.

True. I was asking because most of his ex- associates are pretty talented folk but none of them really had any enduring success--and by success I mean sales, not personal satisfaction [Edited 10/29/11 15:15pm]

You do understyand Prince sells partly because he was a household name in the 80s into the 90s. PARTLY dure to an agressive record label that made sure to get him on radio, print, supported a movie (a few) and simply made sure he could do his thing. THAT is why he gets press and continues to sell on his own now. YES- he has the talent to back it up, but you cn see plenty of untalented folk getting the same numbers or higher. So it must be the thing they have in common- promotion and money. 07 and fDeluxe did it all out of pocket as far as I know and have less to work with as far as back catalogue. So what you are comparing is the "fame" not the talent when you quote sales numbers between these folks.

Zannaloaf said:

Fury said:

That's really what I was getting at-- not so much how many cd's are sold, but generally how many people/ fans actually support them. So while it's awesome that O7 is doing it on their own, I would think that they would prefer to have some financial gain out of it too.

They may not have spent a lot of money to make the album. Many popular acts spend a lot of money on a name producer/beatmaker and/or guest acts. The 07 do everything themselves. The credits say that Jesse even did some of the engineering. It's not like they're Michael Jackson, who was rumored to spend millions making an album or taking years to record like Stevie Wonder. Then the record company spending more millions to promote it. An independent act doesn't have to sell a lot to make money. Anyway, selling millions of records doesn't mean the act gets any of the money. Look at Berry Gordy vs the performers, producers, and musicians at Motown who made him a millionaire. Most of them made little or nothing.

Fury said:

wonder505 said:

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but have you been to a Prince concert lately? I highly doubt the thousands upon thousands who PACK the house to see Prince NOW, are only members of the Org. Puhleeze. Just because YOU don't care about Prince touring does not mean the rest of the world does not. wishful thinking on your part. I do agree though that I don't understand how the announcement of the tur blows away O7. maybe that is wishful thinking of the person who posted it. who knows.

Maybe blew away was the wrong choice of words--I was trying to make the point that A lot of exes have to work really hard to get whatever sales/ press/ attention they get-- and then Prince announces a tour at some pretty big venues that the Exes probably could never book

Prince continues to attract a larger crowd because he puts on an amazing show, despite not really selling cds like he used to. I've seen him in both large and small venues and he packs them in because folks know they will leave wanting more haha. The thing with O7 I think, is that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis may help since they are superstar producers and once the show hits the road, they may not fill up large arenas but I predit a few sellout smaller venues.

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wonder505 said:

Fury said:

wonder505 said: Maybe blew away was the wrong choice of words--I was trying to make the point that A lot of exes have to work really hard to get whatever sales/ press/ attention they get-- and then Prince announces a tour at some pretty big venues that the Exes probably could never book

Prince continues to attract a larger crowd because he puts on an amazing show, despite not really selling cds like he used to. I've seen him in both large and small venues and he packs them in because folks know they will leave wanting more haha. The thing with O7 I think, is that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis may help since they are superstar producers and once the show hits the road, they may not fill up large arenas but I predit a few sellout smaller venues.

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yes...but....if people didn't know WHO he was he would not sell out. I have seen shows VERY close to as good as Prince...at little hole in the wall places. Not the BIG STAGE performance but all the right notes, charisma, body moves and even some great music. But these people never got the same breaks to work on top of that Prince did. Again- not selling him short on his talent at all....just pointing out that WAY lesser talents also sell arenas like crazy, so JUST a great show doesn't gaurantee a crowd.

Zannaloaf said:

wonder505 said:

Prince continues to attract a larger crowd because he puts on an amazing show, despite not really selling cds like he used to. I've seen him in both large and small venues and he packs them in because folks know they will leave wanting more haha. The thing with O7 I think, is that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis may help since they are superstar producers and once the show hits the road, they may not fill up large arenas but I predit a few sellout smaller venues.

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yes...but....if people didn't know WHO he was he would not sell out. I have seen shows VERY close to as good as Prince...at little hole in the wall places. Not the BIG STAGE performance but all the right notes, charisma, body moves and even some great music. But these people never got the same breaks to work on top of that Prince did. Again- not selling him short on his talent at all....just pointing out that WAY lesser talents also sell arenas like crazy, so JUST a great show doesn't gaurantee a crowd.

that is true but I'm sure there are quite a few of folks who were known in the 80's and 90's who had to downsize because they just no longer sell out arenas. IMO Prince can still do it because of his talent and his ability to still put on a great show. I find people that I talk to who are not even into Prince always say "I heard he puts on a great show." As someone who is heavily into the indie market I too have seen people who tear up the stage and will never have the opportunity to play to a large audience. Yes Prince was heavily promoted back in the day, but the reason he continues to be successfuly live wise at 53 is because of his performances. All these talentless hacks like Rihanna, 25 years from now I highly doubt they will be performing like Prince is today.

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^^^It's also the songs Prince chooses to perform. If he didn't play any of his 1980's hits, the majority of the audience wouldn't be there. Technically he's a oldies act, but one that draws a big audience, unlike an old doo wop group who might play in a club.

wonder505 said:

Fury said:

wonder505 said: Maybe blew away was the wrong choice of words--I was trying to make the point that A lot of exes have to work really hard to get whatever sales/ press/ attention they get-- and then Prince announces a tour at some pretty big venues that the Exes probably could never book

Prince continues to attract a larger crowd because he puts on an amazing show, despite not really selling cds like he used to. I've seen him in both large and small venues and he packs them in because folks know they will leave wanting more haha. The thing with O7 I think, is that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis may help since they are superstar producers and once the show hits the road, they may not fill up large arenas but I predit a few sellout smaller venues.

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everyone is saying he doesnt sell anyone but thats to be expected radio sells records without radio no one sells and he is doing considerably better then most from the 80s. His albums still open very high and sell in the gold range even current hot artist like kanye west only manage to sell close to a million. even madonna doesnt sell much even when she manages to get some radio by doing duets with current hot acts. most of the artist just sell singles. albums sales even with radio support is considerable below prince level. u be suprised even the hot acts u listen regularly on radio and reach #1 sell less then prince albums.

His career did implode in the 90s but has made a comeback since musicology and has been pretty consistent since then. Having huge tours has helped maintian interest in his album sales too

I wont be surprised most associated artist r jealous of his continued success since most of thier careers have dimed considerably since the 80s

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asg said:

I wont be surprised most associated artist r jealous of his continued success since most of thier careers have dimed considerably since the 80s

...especially since he's in the habit of helping to dim his exes careers. Forcing The Family and The Time to adopt unrecognizable names, blowing off Rosie Gaines' solo project which was slated to follow the popularity of the Diamonds and Pearls album, backing out of deals with Tamar's project hanging in the balance, then tossing her entire, completed, pressed album to the wind... Oh yes, Prince is notorious for helping to dim careers.