She's special. Her piano playing is superb. Her voice is lovely.

If someone told me to pick a Prince associate to start a band with, it's Lisa. Dr. Fink second.

TylerHippie said:

She's special. Her piano playing is superb. Her voice is lovely.

If someone told me to pick a Prince associate to start a band with, it's Lisa. Dr. Fink second.

I've recently seen old Dirty Mind/Controversy era concert videos. Lisa & Dr. Fink were an awesome keyboarding duo back in the day.

Wendy, Sheila & Eric Leeds are all equal to Lisa

the whole Revolution was. They made prince. his music just hasnt been as good as the Revolution days.

dandeeland said:

the whole Revolution was. They made prince. his music just hasnt been as good as the Revolution days.

I wouldnt say anyone "made" anyone. But they were a great collaboration for a great era in music and Prince IMO has done great music before and after the Revolution, IMO.

Lisa's only behind Dr. Fink, Sheila E., Dez Dickerson, Andre Cymone, Jesse Johnson and the likes.

dandeeland said:

the whole Revolution was. They made prince. his music just hasnt been as good as the Revolution days.

lol thats funny i wonder if prince was white would people say the things they do about him ???its funny how u would say they made prince when its the other way around they couldnt make a move or play one note that wasnt dictated by prince

i would say sheila is the greateast 2 come out of prince camp but there are alot of great ones

eric leeds

dr fink

michael bland

andre cymone

dez dickerson

john blackwell

rosie gaines

paul peterson

levi seacer'

jess johnson

larry g

chaka khan

mavis staples

george clinton

cbarnes3121 said:

dandeeland said:

the whole Revolution was. They made prince. his music just hasnt been as good as the Revolution days.

lol thats funny i wonder if prince was white would people say the things they do about him ???its funny how u would say they made prince when its the other way around they couldnt make a move or play one note that wasnt dictated by prince

i would say sheila is the greateast 2 come out of prince camp but there are alot of great ones

eric leeds

dr fink

michael bland

andre cymone

dez dickerson

john blackwell

rosie gaines

paul peterson

levi seacer'

jess johnson

larry g

chaka khan

mavis staples

george clinton

Yes, they would say that if he were white or any other musician with a strong backing band, because that's how music fans are. For example, there are plenty of Bruce Springteen fans who would argue that the E Street Band made him, and don't care for his solo work. Some David Bowie fans think his best work was with the Spiders From Mars during Ziggy Stardust era, and so on...

Prince sounds great by his damn self. I liked his music before Lisa even got in the band, back in the Gayle Chapman days. So come on now, nobody "made" him.

MadamGoodnight said:

Prince sounds great by his damn self. I liked his music before Lisa even got in the band, back in the Gayle Chapman days. So come on now, nobody "made" him.

I agree. Nobody "made" anybody. I think they all benefited from the work they did together. I became a huge fan during the Purple Rain and I rarely listen to that era. I enjoy the pre-Revolution Days and Post-Revolution stuff as well.

cbarnes3121 said:

dandeeland said:

the whole Revolution was. They made prince. his music just hasnt been as good as the Revolution days.

lol thats funny i wonder if prince was white would people say the things they do about him ???its funny how u would say they made prince when its the other way around they couldnt make a move or play one note that wasnt dictated by prince

i would say sheila is the greateast 2 come out of prince camp but there are alot of great ones

eric leeds

dr fink

michael bland

andre cymone

dez dickerson

john blackwell

rosie gaines

paul peterson

levi seacer'

jess johnson

larry g

chaka khan

mavis staples

george clinton

WHAT? if he was white?? WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING? As far as your other comments you are dead wrong. Leeds did his own arranging and playing, W&L finished off songs for him, Sheila did a lot on her own. George Clinton, Larry Graham and Chaka Kahn had careers looooong before Prince, there time with him was a blip in their careers - they really aren't from his "camp".

As far as"making him" every person who influenced him "made" him. People don't create in a vacuum. He lifted from many musicians that came before , just like they did before him. His friends and musicians he started out with influenced him. Sonny T. taught him to play BASS! Do you not think that influenced him? People can have influences and people who contributed - it doesn't make them LESS of a genius or less of a talent. Man - you people want a GOD instead of an artist. And NO ONE can live up to that.

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That said - I say Lisa, Eric, Paul, Andre and Wendy for all around best artists/producers/writers and sounds to come out of Princes camp (keep in mind I consider Sheila to have had a career prior to Prince as well.)

MadamGoodnight said:

Prince sounds great by his damn self. I liked his music before Lisa even got in the band, back in the Gayle Chapman days. So come on now, nobody "made" him.

Prince was pretty much a self-made man.

Zannaloaf said:

That said - I say Lisa, Eric, Paul, Andre and Wendy for all around best artists/producers/writers and sounds to come out of Princes camp (keep in mind I consider Sheila to have had a career prior to Prince as well.)

You're right.

Don't 4get about Jam and Lewis!

Zannaloaf said:

cbarnes3121 said:

lol thats funny i wonder if prince was white would people say the things they do about him ???its funny how u would say they made prince when its the other way around they couldnt make a move or play one note that wasnt dictated by prince

i would say sheila is the greateast 2 come out of prince camp but there are alot of great ones

eric leeds

dr fink

michael bland

andre cymone

dez dickerson

john blackwell

rosie gaines

paul peterson

levi seacer'

jess johnson

larry g

chaka khan

mavis staples

george clinton

WHAT? if he was white?? WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING? As far as your other comments you are dead wrong. Leeds did his own arranging and playing, W&L finished off songs for him, Sheila did a lot on her own. George Clinton, Larry Graham and Chaka Kahn had careers looooong before Prince, there time with him was a blip in their careers - they really aren't from his "camp".

As far as"making him" every person who influenced him "made" him. People don't create in a vacuum. He lifted from many musicians that came before , just like they did before him. His friends and musicians he started out with influenced him. Sonny T. taught him to play BASS! Do you not think that influenced him? People can have influences and people who contributed - it doesn't make them LESS of a genius or less of a talent. Man - you people want a GOD instead of an artist. And NO ONE can live up to that.

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[Edited 7/19/11 19:20pm]

I think the whole "made" word just give this connotation that Prince would not be anything without them. We've had this discussion numerous times about the whole Wendy and Lisa and the Revolution "made" him, usually by theh same group of folks around here, without much talk about how much he influenced their lives as well. As if to say they would have made it without Prince but Prince would not have made it without them. IMO i just believe that they all influenced each other and all benefitted musically from their experiences and collaboration.

wonder505 said:

Zannaloaf said:

WHAT? if he was white?? WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING? As far as your other comments you are dead wrong. Leeds did his own arranging and playing, W&L finished off songs for him, Sheila did a lot on her own. George Clinton, Larry Graham and Chaka Kahn had careers looooong before Prince, there time with him was a blip in their careers - they really aren't from his "camp".

As far as"making him" every person who influenced him "made" him. People don't create in a vacuum. He lifted from many musicians that came before , just like they did before him. His friends and musicians he started out with influenced him. Sonny T. taught him to play BASS! Do you not think that influenced him? People can have influences and people who contributed - it doesn't make them LESS of a genius or less of a talent. Man - you people want a GOD instead of an artist. And NO ONE can live up to that.

[Edited 7/19/11 19:18pm]

[Edited 7/19/11 19:20pm]

I think the whole "made" word just give this connotation that Prince would not be anything without them. We've had this discussion numerous times about the whole Wendy and Lisa and the Revolution "made" him, usually by theh same group of folks around here, without much talk about how much he influenced their lives as well. As if to say they would have made it without Prince but Prince would not have made it without them. IMO i just believe that they all influenced each other and all benefitted musically from their experiences and collaboration.

"George Clinton"

Dogsinthetrees said:

"George Clinton"

I'm upset George and Chaka are mentioned as those to be "the greatest to come out of the Prince camp". They'll slap motherfuckers for even thinking Prince "made them". Both of them were legends (so was Maceo and Larry Graham) before they hooked up with Prince. GODDAMN!

wonder505 said:

Zannaloaf said:

WHAT? if he was white?? WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING? As far as your other comments you are dead wrong. Leeds did his own arranging and playing, W&L finished off songs for him, Sheila did a lot on her own. George Clinton, Larry Graham and Chaka Kahn had careers looooong before Prince, there time with him was a blip in their careers - they really aren't from his "camp".

As far as"making him" every person who influenced him "made" him. People don't create in a vacuum. He lifted from many musicians that came before , just like they did before him. His friends and musicians he started out with influenced him. Sonny T. taught him to play BASS! Do you not think that influenced him? People can have influences and people who contributed - it doesn't make them LESS of a genius or less of a talent. Man - you people want a GOD instead of an artist. And NO ONE can live up to that.

[Edited 7/19/11 19:18pm]

[Edited 7/19/11 19:20pm]

I think the whole "made" word just give this connotation that Prince would not be anything without them. We've had this discussion numerous times about the whole Wendy and Lisa and the Revolution "made" him, usually by theh same group of folks around here, without much talk about how much he influenced their lives as well. As if to say they would have made it without Prince but Prince would not have made it without them. IMO i just believe that they all influenced each other and all benefitted musically from their experiences and collaboration.

That's why I said EVERYONE that he ever met - like any human being - MADE him. It is your relationships and people around you that shape and influence you. They were two among MANY. "As far as"making him" every person who influenced him "made" him. People don't create in a vacuum. He lifted from many musicians that came before , just like they did before him. His friends and musicians he started out with influenced him." THAT is what i said. Jeez- try READING what I am saying, not skimming and make assumptions.

Zannaloaf said:

wonder505 said:

I think the whole "made" word just give this connotation that Prince would not be anything without them. We've had this discussion numerous times about the whole Wendy and Lisa and the Revolution "made" him, usually by theh same group of folks around here, without much talk about how much he influenced their lives as well. As if to say they would have made it without Prince but Prince would not have made it without them. IMO i just believe that they all influenced each other and all benefitted musically from their experiences and collaboration.

That's why I said EVERYONE that he ever met - like any human being - MADE him. It is your relationships and people around you that shape and influence you. They were two among MANY. "As far as"making him" every person who influenced him "made" him. People don't create in a vacuum. He lifted from many musicians that came before , just like they did before him. His friends and musicians he started out with influenced him." THAT is what i said. Jeez- try READING what I am saying, not skimming and make assumptions.

Common sense is not allowed in the ORG, you didn't know that?

Zannaloaf said:

wonder505 said:

I think the whole "made" word just give this connotation that Prince would not be anything without them. We've had this discussion numerous times about the whole Wendy and Lisa and the Revolution "made" him, usually by theh same group of folks around here, without much talk about how much he influenced their lives as well. As if to say they would have made it without Prince but Prince would not have made it without them. IMO i just believe that they all influenced each other and all benefitted musically from their experiences and collaboration.

That's why I said EVERYONE that he ever met - like any human being - MADE him. It is your relationships and people around you that shape and influence you. They were two among MANY. "As far as"making him" every person who influenced him "made" him. People don't create in a vacuum. He lifted from many musicians that came before , just like they did before him. His friends and musicians he started out with influenced him." THAT is what i said. Jeez- try READING what I am saying, not skimming and make assumptions

why are you getting emotional? That's so stupid and I understand and agree with your point. I was just responding offering another viewpoint. Had nothing to do with making an assumption. I was just pointing out how many may view the"made" word ESPECIALLY when talk of the Revolution comes up, from those who claim they made Prince, and very rarely speak of how Prince MADE them as well, it always seem one sided. Everybody knows every artist is influenced by other musicians. Who doesn't know that?

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Timmy84 said:

Zannaloaf said:

That's why I said EVERYONE that he ever met - like any human being - MADE him. It is your relationships and people around you that shape and influence you. They were two among MANY. "As far as"making him" every person who influenced him "made" him. People don't create in a vacuum. He lifted from many musicians that came before , just like they did before him. His friends and musicians he started out with influenced him." THAT is what i said. Jeez- try READING what I am saying, not skimming and make assumptions.

Common sense is not allowed in the ORG, you didn't know that?

You're right only immature ignorant fools who are not open to varying opinions and wanna post unnecessary jabs like a 12 year old.

Zannaloaf said:

cbarnes3121 said:

lol thats funny i wonder if prince was white would people say the things they do about him ???its funny how u would say they made prince when its the other way around they couldnt make a move or play one note that wasnt dictated by prince

i would say sheila is the greateast 2 come out of prince camp but there are alot of great ones

eric leeds

dr fink

michael bland

andre cymone

dez dickerson

john blackwell

rosie gaines

paul peterson

levi seacer'

jess johnson

larry g

chaka khan

mavis staples

george clinton

WHAT? if he was white?? WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING? As far as your other comments you are dead wrong. Leeds did his own arranging and playing, W&L finished off songs for him, Sheila did a lot on her own. George Clinton, Larry Graham and Chaka Kahn had careers looooong before Prince, there time with him was a blip in their careers - they really aren't from his "camp".

As far as"making him" every person who influenced him "made" him. People don't create in a vacuum. He lifted from many musicians that came before , just like they did before him. His friends and musicians he started out with influenced him. Sonny T. taught him to play BASS! Do you not think that influenced him? People can have influences and people who contributed - it doesn't make them LESS of a genius or less of a talent. Man - you people want a GOD instead of an artist. And NO ONE can live up to that.

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[Edited 7/19/11 19:20pm]

has alot to do with it its funny how wendy and lisa 2 white chics everybody claim do so much for prince and really didnt do much more than add a string or a flute 2 a already finished song. nobody goes around yelling dez or andre made prince its just freaking stank how yall get on here and hype up people who cant even do much 4 themselves cuz wendy andl lisa solo career as a singing duo has sucked they have not 1 plattinum album was dropped from columbia prince has never droppped from nobody lable

Timmy84 said:

Dogsinthetrees said:

"George Clinton"

I'm upset George and Chaka are mentioned as those to be "the greatest to come out of the Prince camp". They'll slap motherfuckers for even thinking Prince "made them". Both of them were legends (so was Maceo and Larry Graham) before they hooked up with Prince. GODDAMN!

i never said prince made them or anybody and im pretty sure only a fool would say that i said they are some of the best 2 come out of the prince camp and they were both once signed 2 his label and apart of his camp so what

I fear this thread is going to end up a collection of arguments, if Org history proves correct.

Also, I'm trying to resist the urge to get snarky on this thread. With.All.My.Strength.

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^ As it always happens. People getting hurt because their opinions are not treated as facts. Four years of the same bullshit I've seen lol

cbarnes3121 said:

Zannaloaf said:

WHAT? if he was white?? WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING? As far as your other comments you are dead wrong. Leeds did his own arranging and playing, W&L finished off songs for him, Sheila did a lot on her own. George Clinton, Larry Graham and Chaka Kahn had careers looooong before Prince, there time with him was a blip in their careers - they really aren't from his "camp".

As far as"making him" every person who influenced him "made" him. People don't create in a vacuum. He lifted from many musicians that came before , just like they did before him. His friends and musicians he started out with influenced him. Sonny T. taught him to play BASS! Do you not think that influenced him? People can have influences and people who contributed - it doesn't make them LESS of a genius or less of a talent. Man - you people want a GOD instead of an artist. And NO ONE can live up to that.

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[Edited 7/19/11 19:20pm]

has alot to do with it its funny how wendy and lisa 2 white chics everybody claim do so much for prince and really didnt do much more than add a string or a flute 2 a already finished song. nobody goes around yelling dez or andre made prince its just freaking stank how yall get on here and hype up people who cant even do much 4 themselves cuz wendy andl lisa solo career as a singing duo has sucked they have not 1 plattinum album was dropped from columbia prince has never droppped from nobody lable

Your ignorance is astounding (along with your grammer).

Just refer to Prince as God from here on out. It would be more honest on your part, and people would understand your position immediately.

Zannaloaf said:

cbarnes3121 said:

has alot to do with it its funny how wendy and lisa 2 white chics everybody claim do so much for prince and really didnt do much more than add a string or a flute 2 a already finished song. nobody goes around yelling dez or andre made prince its just freaking stank how yall get on here and hype up people who cant even do much 4 themselves cuz wendy andl lisa solo career as a singing duo has sucked they have not 1 plattinum album was dropped from columbia prince has never droppped from nobody lable

Your ignorance is astounding (along with your grammer).

Just refer to Prince as God from here on out. It would be more honest on your part, and people would understand your position immediately.

This has to be the first time I've ever read a paragraph with only one punctuation mark. BTW, Wendy and Lisa are 1 & 1/2 "white chics" 'cause Lisa's mom is Chicana.

And how does a singing "duo" have a "solo" career?

afro75 said:

Zannaloaf said:

Your ignorance is astounding (along with your grammer).

Just refer to Prince as God from here on out. It would be more honest on your part, and people would understand your position immediately.

This has to be the first time I've ever read a paragraph with only one punctuation mark. BTW, Wendy and Lisa are 1 & 1/2 "white chics" 'cause Lisa's mom is Chicana.

And how does a singing "duo" have a "solo" career?

I had seen pictures of Lisa's mother and Lisa's mother is a brunette white Chicana in other words unless she tell herself she is Mexican she could be mistaken as being Italian or Greek. Remember Chicana is not a race. So technically Lisa is mostly white that her race (maybe a bit of Indian off her mother side). Her ethnicity is German/Mexican and she said this herself on her twitter (or her Facebook page) awhile ago.

Overall its the same argument I had been seeing on here for many years with the Prince vs W/L battle out. At the end of the day Prince. Wendy and Lisa influenced each other. I never think of Prince as being GOd but at the same time Wendy and Lisa did not made Prince. He had success before they came along and still to this day since they left 25 years ago.

As for Wendy and Lisa they are talented. I do like a few songs off their albums but the rest of the songs I didnt care for and at times made me fall asleep. I like their music better with Prince and their film/tv scoring. JMO.