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Reply #60 posted 08/08/11 4:35am

SoulAlive

here's another example of where Paisley Park went wrong....

"Simon,Simon" by Dale Bozzio (1988)

disbelief I actually like the music to this song but those vocals are horrendous

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Reply #61 posted 08/08/11 11:42am

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SoulAlive said:

here's another example of where Paisley Park went wrong....

"Simon,Simon" by Dale Bozzio (1988)

disbelief I actually like the music to this song but those vocals are horrendous

The video looks like someone's undergraduate video project for video 101.

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Reply #62 posted 08/09/11 1:36am

Timmy84

These videos and songs make me sad for some reason. sad


A great opportunity squandered. confused

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Reply #63 posted 08/09/11 4:28am

SoulAlive

Timmy84 said:

These videos and songs make me sad for some reason. sad


A great opportunity squandered. confused

When you think about it,Warners probably should have pulled the plug on that record label much sooner than they did.Why would anybody want to waste money to promote crap like that? shrug

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Reply #64 posted 08/09/11 4:32am

Spinlight

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SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:

These videos and songs make me sad for some reason. sad


A great opportunity squandered. confused

When you think about it,Warners probably should have pulled the plug on that record label much sooner than they did.Why would anybody want to waste money to promote crap like that? shrug

To keep him happy.

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Reply #65 posted 08/09/11 5:25am

SoulAlive

I remember back in the 80s,I heard about some good promotional ideas that somehow never happened.For example,in early 1986,there was some talk about a "Paisley Park Revue" tour starring Sheila E.,The Family and Mazarati.The three acts were gonna hit the road together,promoting their latest albums.

In 1987,there were plans for Jill Jones to be the opening act on Prince's 'Sign O The Times' tour.Unfortunately,the tour never made it to America so her album didn't get to benefit from that type of promotion.

Oddly enough,over $2 million was spent on the promotion of Carmen Elektra's album but I never heard the songs on the radio or saw the videos anywhere confuse

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Reply #66 posted 08/09/11 5:34am

Shango

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Prince tried to motivate the audience for a Mazarati set on the premiere party of "Under The Cherry Moon,"

though a little more promotion (besides the 2 official videos) from the label might've helped also.

"...Prince signed Mazarati to his label, contributing songs and musical cameos. "He'd jam with us when we were still a bar band," said Terry. "You'd hear this voice on the monitor—Play "Head”—and you'd know he was there. Once we were playing an awards show in L.A., and the room was full of all these great musicians—legends, like Smokey Robinson. They weren't that into it, and Prince jumped up on stage. 'Y'all don't think they're funky?' he said. 'You're wrong!...'"

"...Mazarati's 1986 debut was a modest success; they toured nationally, played live on MTV, and had a top 40 hit with the Prince-penned "100 MPH." "We were playing four to seven nights a week," remembered keyboardist Aaron Keith. "We went from playing bars to playing for ten or twenty thousand people..."

"...When Mazarati's producer Brown Mark parted ways with Prince, the band signed with Motown Records—but the band members weren't happy with the resulting album,Mazarati 2. "I didn't sound ethnic enough for Motown," said Terry. At the label's urging, the band brought in an assortment of other producers, songwriters, and performers. "The sound was generic," said Terry. "It was just a byproduct of the original Mazarati." The band left Motown, and their second—and last—album was released only in Canada..."

The return of Mazarati: "...ily Planet

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Reply #67 posted 08/09/11 9:03am

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Spinlight said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

I know, right??!! It's not like they had ANY bit of success in the music business and in the studio after leaving Prince's fold. So, the statement MUST be true. rolleyes

Spin, if the rest of the band had the nuts to all walk out when Jimmy and Terry got fired and continued with their own act and allowed to harness their own creativity, the sky would've been the limit. With all the hits Jam and Lewis made for numerous artists, Jesse's own hits, and a couple of the others' as well, they collectively would've been the BEST R&B/funk band of the 80s, hands down!

But it's not my point that they aren't a talented bunch of men. I said above that the group's worth was NOT equal to the sum of its parts. You would expect The Time to have zero, and I mean ZERO, problems churning out the funk. Yet they do. They are entirely paralyzed, as a group, without Prince. For 30 years. Keep that in mind - 30 years, they have had opportunities and for 30 years they have yet to make a step in the business without Prince. It's disappointing.

I am a big fan of The Time. But its nostalgia keeping people sated for now and it's not even working anymore because they have put forth zero and I mean ZERO effort in cultivating more than their small tiny group of followers. It took several months for their picture on Last.FM to even be THEIRS cuz there is some spanish group by the same name. That's right. This wonderfully respectable band is no damn unknown in today's culture that they can't even have their own picture up on a site that tracks how many people play their music!

Lawd hammercy. I'm JUST SAYING that with people as talented as Jimmy, Terry, Jesse, and Morris in the group (not to mention BEAN?? And Monte???), you would expect them to drop some hot fire. They don't. And it's boring, trifling, and tiring.

I disagree. Its not about what they CAN do. Jimmy and Terry experienced the bulk of their success when they left the Time. So did Jesse. Those guys simply OUTGREW the Time. The fans want them to go back to 1984. I love the Time but I do tend to see them almost as a "cover band", playing their old hits for money. All of them do other stuff on the side. If I'm not mistaken, Tori Ruffin had Freak Juice before he joined the Time and that was a totally different sound. I think its less about what they are capable of and more about what they WANT to do. A juggler who can juggle 5 things can most certainly juggle 2, but what's the motivation? Like most people, they go to work, do their job and when they get off, they go do what they want to do. People grow and change.

As to what went wrong with Paisley Park Records, two words: PRINCE'S EGO.

PP was always a vanity label and was treated as such.

[Edited 8/9/11 9:06am]

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Reply #68 posted 08/09/11 9:46am

Timmy84

SoulAlive said:

I remember back in the 80s,I heard about some good promotional ideas that somehow never happened.For example,in early 1986,there was some talk about a "Paisley Park Revue" tour starring Sheila E.,The Family and Mazarati.The three acts were gonna hit the road together,promoting their latest albums.

In 1987,there were plans for Jill Jones to be the opening act on Prince's 'Sign O The Times' tour.Unfortunately,the tour never made it to America so her album didn't get to benefit from that type of promotion.

Oddly enough,over $2 million was spent on the promotion of Carmen Elektra's album but I never heard the songs on the radio or saw the videos anywhere confuse

WTF?

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Reply #69 posted 08/09/11 9:48am

Timmy84

Speaking of Mazarati this looks to be their "glam rock" picture. biggrin

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Reply #70 posted 08/10/11 2:50am

SoulAlive

Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

I remember back in the 80s,I heard about some good promotional ideas that somehow never happened.For example,in early 1986,there was some talk about a "Paisley Park Revue" tour starring Sheila E.,The Family and Mazarati.The three acts were gonna hit the road together,promoting their latest albums.

In 1987,there were plans for Jill Jones to be the opening act on Prince's 'Sign O The Times' tour.Unfortunately,the tour never made it to America so her album didn't get to benefit from that type of promotion.

Oddly enough,over $2 million was spent on the promotion of Carmen Elektra's album but I never heard the songs on the radio or saw the videos anywhere confuse

WTF?

Yeah,Prince and Warners poured a ton of money into this project but it backfired.The album bombed big time.The failure of this album is one reason why Warners decided to shut the label down.

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Reply #71 posted 08/10/11 3:20am

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'Simon Simon' is a great track, better than the token Prince offering on the album.

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Reply #72 posted 08/10/11 12:15pm

Timmy84

SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:

WTF?

Yeah,Prince and Warners poured a ton of money into this project but it backfired.The album bombed big time.The failure of this album is one reason why Warners decided to shut the label down.

And I can believe it! $2 MILLION?!

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Reply #73 posted 08/10/11 1:25pm

SoulAlive

Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

Yeah,Prince and Warners poured a ton of money into this project but it backfired.The album bombed big time.The failure of this album is one reason why Warners decided to shut the label down.

And I can believe it! $2 MILLION?!

The sad thing is,they were so busy focusing on Carmen that Rosie Gaine's solo album was put on the back burner."My album didn't come out because I wasn't sleeping with Prince",says Rosie in a 1995 interview.

eek straight with no chaser! lol

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Reply #74 posted 08/10/11 1:26pm

Timmy84

SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:

And I can believe it! $2 MILLION?!

The sad thing is,they were so busy focusing on Carmen that Rosie Gaine's solo album was put on the back burner."My album didn't come out because I wasn't sleeping with Prince",says Rosie in a 1995 interview.

eek straight with no chaser! lol

Well she sure told it like it was huh? lol

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Reply #75 posted 08/10/11 2:03pm

SoulAlive

Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

The sad thing is,they were so busy focusing on Carmen that Rosie Gaine's solo album was put on the back burner."My album didn't come out because I wasn't sleeping with Prince",says Rosie in a 1995 interview.

eek straight with no chaser! lol

Well she sure told it like it was huh? lol

I was shocked when she said that but it's the truth lol

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Reply #76 posted 08/10/11 2:06pm

Spinlight

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SoulAlive said:

Timmy84 said:

Well she sure told it like it was huh? lol

I was shocked when she said that but it's the truth lol

Also, re: Carmen, what's the lyric in the extended "I Hate U" remix?

Something like, "By my account, you owe me about a million five."

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Reply #77 posted 08/10/11 2:34pm

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Spinlight said:

SoulAlive said:

I was shocked when she said that but it's the truth lol

Also, re: Carmen, what's the lyric in the extended "I Hate U" remix?

Something like, "By my account, you owe me about a million five."

Lol! Yeah, I forgot about that line. He actually says, "Speakin' of which, you owe me, you owe me about a million 8 or more!"

lol

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Reply #78 posted 08/10/11 2:58pm

Timmy84

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Spinlight said:

Also, re: Carmen, what's the lyric in the extended "I Hate U" remix?

Something like, "By my account, you owe me about a million five."

Lol! Yeah, I forgot about that line. He actually says, "Speakin' of which, you owe me, you owe me about a million 8 or more!"

lol

Yep. "A million 8 or more". lol Damn, this WAS about Carmen lmao!

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Reply #79 posted 08/11/11 5:26am

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Zannaloaf said:

Spinlight said:

Live, maybe.

Prince had no intentions of letting anyone else interfere with HIS vision that is The Time regardless of their live prowess. It was his project - they just happened to be the vehicle and he largely left those groups to their own devices with little input.

If The Time had wanted to leave and make a new record by themselves, they woulda/coulda/shoulda, but they simply broke up and went their separate ways. I am not convinced The Time, as a group, are anything to pay attention to when it comes to the studio and composition.

But they make pretty good session musicians.

Yeah- That Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis never could write worth a damn.... eek

right, that is what I was thinking. confused

"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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Reply #80 posted 08/11/11 6:20am

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MickyDolenz said:

I think the only performer label that had a long shelf life was Reprise, started by Frank Sinatra. Maybe Dark Horse, but most of the releases on that was by George Harrison, who didn't release stuff much.

Uhh, A&M. A as in Herb Alpert.

Space for sale...
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Reply #81 posted 08/11/11 9:32am

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Paisley Park was a joke. Pure vanity gift by a record company trying to please a neurotic, inflated ego, arrogant prick. For Paisley Park to succeed the following factors would need to occur.
Zero Prince envolement.

Hire a professional experienced studio manager. Business oriented with total autonomy.

Reconnect with Jam and Lewis and incorporate persecutive records into Paisely Park.

Any artist present signed to Warner Brothers that had a new artist to produce would be required to use Paisely Park.

Be progressive with signing artists, instead of signing zero talent to make cardboard stars, look for new artists that have talent.

Stop the Paisley Park Pussy Penthouse completely.
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Reply #82 posted 08/11/11 11:25am

Timmy84

^ I agree. If Prince really had motivation to create his own Motown, he would've done it but I agree it does seem like an ego thing. Hell Tony LeMans was hardly promoted and he produced his own shit lol

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Reply #83 posted 08/12/11 6:55am

SoulAlive

whendovescry2000 said:

Paisley Park was a joke. Pure vanity gift by a record company trying to please a neurotic, inflated ego, arrogant prick. For Paisley Park to succeed the following factors would need to occur. Zero Prince envolement. Hire a professional experienced studio manager. Business oriented with total autonomy. Reconnect with Jam and Lewis and incorporate persecutive records into Paisely Park. Any artist present signed to Warner Brothers that had a new artist to produce would be required to use Paisely Park. Be progressive with signing artists, instead of signing zero talent to make cardboard stars, look for new artists that have talent. Stop the Paisley Park Pussy Penthouse completely.

You hit the nail on the head nod

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Reply #84 posted 08/12/11 3:07pm

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Timmy84 said:



Speaking of Mazarati this looks to be their "glam rock" picture. biggrin



Now I know where My grandmothers curtains went!!
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Reply #85 posted 08/12/11 9:57pm

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SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

Shit i never even heard of Good Question and i paid Carmen Elektra as much

attention as i paid a frog's turd. When i first saw Good Question i was thinking

of Answered Question with Marva King.

Good Question had a very generic late-80s dance/pop sound.This was their first single....

"Got A New Love" by Good Question (1988)

purse x infinity!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #86 posted 08/13/11 2:55am

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SoulAlive said:

Good Question had a very generic late-80s dance/pop sound.This was their first single....

"Got A New Love" by Good Question (1988)

purse x infinity!!!!!!!!!!!!

falloff falloff falloff

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Reply #87 posted 08/13/11 4:54am

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SoulAlive said:

here's another example of where Paisley Park went wrong....

"Simon,Simon" by Dale Bozzio (1988)

disbelief I actually like the music to this song but those vocals are horrendous

This just gets harder and harder to stomach as the years pass.... biggrin

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Reply #88 posted 08/13/11 8:54am

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I actually dig the Good Question track and the Dale Bozzio one.

Anyone know who produced the Good Question album?

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Reply #89 posted 08/13/11 3:26pm

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Militant said:

I actually dig the Good Question track and the Dale Bozzio one.

Anyone know who produced the Good Question album?

Rick Neigher cool

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