mimi02 said:

thebanishedone said:

There are 3 basic types of Prince fans

Those who think everything Prince do is perfect-this is the

most boring and unobjective group of fans

They support everything Prince does and think New Poer Soul

is as good as his best material.

Second group of fans are made of People who call themself "Haters"

this kind of fans usually bad mouth Prince with every

chance they got but they in secret

they are consuming all his music and they hang on org on daily basis.

this type of fans are obssesed as the first group of fans.

The third group of fans are somewhere in

the middle the Objective fans.

Fans who like Prince but type of people that can be open about the things that don't work when it comes to Prince and his music.

I like to believe that i'm in the third (objective ) group

so i will try to be as objective as much as i can

about Andy.

Andy can't play guitar.She need's to lock herself

in the room and practise for a few year

to be able to play his music.

Prince's music isn't that hard to play

but it is based on accent,nuance,style

and you need to practise a lot if you want to be a good funk guitar player.

And Andy is light years away from being that.

I bet that she can't play some of the basic rhythmic patterns ,

no way she can play rhythm guitar lick of Dmsr or funky break in a Kiss(song).

And it is weird when a guy like Prince have someone who is absolute begginer on instrument and off key on vocals in his band.

Before Andy came i never ever heard false

off key singing in a Prince camp

except for studio recording of Rebels If I Love You Tonight ,

sung by Gayle Chapman.

We are talking about a guy who used to leave Brown Mark off tour bus because his string broke by accident,we are talking about the guy who cuts his bands pay check if they make mistakes on stage.

But there is one thing that is great in this whole mixed up situation.

Prince is very into Andy,you can see he is in love and his performance and singing is better then the last 10 years.

every live recording of Purple Rain from W2A tour rocks ,he sings it like he did on original version,maybe even better

and he didn't sing like this for a long time.

He also started making funny things and movement on stage to impress Andy and she is smiling so

maybe this girl will move Prince away from that God Awful Cult Jehovah Witness.

I cross my fingers

[Edited 8/2/11 16:24pm]

The bolded part is worthy of being it's own thread: Which type of Prince are you and why?

I see you didn't read all,because i wrote which group i belong to,i think

mimi02 said:

thebanishedone said:

There are 3 basic types of Prince fans

Those who think everything Prince do is perfect-this is the

most boring and unobjective group of fans

They support everything Prince does and think New Poer Soul

is as good as his best material.

Second group of fans are made of People who call themself "Haters"

this kind of fans usually bad mouth Prince with every

chance they got but they in secret

they are consuming all his music and they hang on org on daily basis.

this type of fans are obssesed as the first group of fans.

The third group of fans are somewhere in

the middle the Objective fans.

Fans who like Prince but type of people that can be open about the things that don't work when it comes to Prince and his music.

I like to believe that i'm in the third (objective ) group

so i will try to be as objective as much as i can

about Andy.

Andy can't play guitar.She need's to lock herself

in the room and practise for a few year

to be able to play his music.

Prince's music isn't that hard to play

but it is based on accent,nuance,style

and you need to practise a lot if you want to be a good funk guitar player.

And Andy is light years away from being that.

I bet that she can't play some of the basic rhythmic patterns ,

no way she can play rhythm guitar lick of Dmsr or funky break in a Kiss(song).

And it is weird when a guy like Prince have someone who is absolute begginer on instrument and off key on vocals in his band.

Before Andy came i never ever heard false

off key singing in a Prince camp

except for studio recording of Rebels If I Love You Tonight ,

sung by Gayle Chapman.

We are talking about a guy who used to leave Brown Mark off tour bus because his string broke by accident,we are talking about the guy who cuts his bands pay check if they make mistakes on stage.

But there is one thing that is great in this whole mixed up situation.

Prince is very into Andy,you can see he is in love and his performance and singing is better then the last 10 years.

every live recording of Purple Rain from W2A tour rocks ,he sings it like he did on original version,maybe even better

and he didn't sing like this for a long time.

He also started making funny things and movement on stage to impress Andy and she is smiling so

maybe this girl will move Prince away from that God Awful Cult Jehovah Witness.

I cross my fingers

[Edited 8/2/11 16:24pm]

The bolded part is worthy of being it's own thread: Which type of Prince are you and why?

Exactly what i was thinking banishedone

thebanishedone said:

mimi02 said:

The bolded part is worthy of being it's own thread: Which type of Prince are you and why?

I see you didn't read all,because i wrote which group i belong to,i think

No, I wasn't asking what type of fan you were, becuz you already answered the question in the post. Oops, I just noticed that I didn't type the word, "fan". What I was saying was that the part of your post that I bolded would make a good thread by itself. What you thought was me asking you a question was the potential thread title.

I'm definitely objective when it comes to Prince. I will give him a chance to impress me, but if I don't like it...I don't like it. And, I'm not one of those females that live to be his next doormat. It's about the music, solely. He is a good looking man, but that's where it ends.

RubyButterfly said:

2elijah said:

No Ruby, I will not give you a personal definition of the terms "hate, hating or hatred", but thanks for taking the time to bold each one used in my post. If you claim you don't see some of the threads posted about Andy or Shelby J, which have expressed hatred towards the both of them from some of these fans, then I can't force you to see it, but my post stands. Have a good day.

[Edited 7/31/11 5:40am]

Just as I expected.

You won't give examples of the HATRED!!!!!!!!!!1 you're blathering on about because you simply can't. You deliberately chose to use sensational, strong language like "hate", "hating", "haters" and "hatred" yet you refuse to back up your accusations when questioned and I'm sorry, but that's just wrong and reduces your 'argument' to nothing but plain propoganda.

I wouldn't want you to 'force' me to see the extreme HATRED!!!!!!!!!!!!1 you claim is being directed at Andy and Shelby, I merely asked you to explain to me what your definition of this HATRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 is, and maybe point out some examples, because we clearly have differing ideas of what constitutes HATRED!!!!!!!!!!1 and, if HATRED!!!!!!!!!!!! actually is going on -- REAL HATRED -- I'd certainly like to be made aware of it and read it with my own eyes so as to form my opinion about it (vs taking the claims of one person who refuses to prove her claims).

As already stated, all I've seen around here is legitimate critiques of Andy's dubious guitar skills, some remarks about her being boring, and a smattering of petty jabs stemming from the usual suspects who snark on all women close to Prince. NONE of that anywhere NEAR meets the criteria of such a strong word as HATRED.

But I guess HATRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sounds so very dramatic and exciting doesn't it.

I've observed 2elijah's posts on this website for years, and anyone who's seen her in the trenches of the P&R forum knows that she's extraordinarily rational and intelligent woman, and fine debater with comprehensive technique and very thorough posting style. I don't even know who this Andy person is and don't really care (I'm just browsing out of boredom before I catch my train)- but the one thing I do know is that not being able to provide you with examples or stirring up AA forum propaganda is the least likely of reasons why you're not being engaged by "2e"; more likely than not she just doesn't give a shit about what you think

*sorry but sometimes reading the AA posts where people get up in arms about nothing cracks me up* edit

[Edited 8/4/11 8:59am]

Heidi said:

DakutiusMaximus said:

This woman does not have professional level pipes. What the heck is she doing on stage with Prince?"

Oh pleaze ... like her singing abilities are a criterium ...

Let's not forget that this is the man who got Apples, Carmen and Mayte to sing ... as long as they are pretty enough and a nice booty he doesn't care so much about their singing abilities.

This is half true. There are 2 types of women that he has on stage with him. There are the musicians and singers, like Rosie Gaines , Shelby J,Marva, Wendy and Lisa who are talented in their own right. Even if they may not have the level of talent and stage presence that Prince does they are true performers. The second group are the ladies who may or may not have talent but for sure that is not the main reason that they are there with him. on stage. I think they are there to lift his spirits and entertain him. Misty was on top of that piano for Prince's enjoyment, whether or not the audience appretiated her gifts was beside the point.

Jill, Susannah and Sheila were his most talented ladies and actually could pull in an audience on their own (of course not arena size but I don't think Rosie is playing to arena's either and she is very gifted).

The question is which category is Andy in? I think she has more talent then Carmen, Vanity, Apples and Bria. I don't know if she falls into the Jill and Susannah category, maybe.

I am thankful that she does not get on the org, pretending to be an objective Prince fan, and argue with Prince fans and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about by critisizing her work and going on and on about how beautiful she is and how she is certain to become the next Mrs Nelson. Basically, she is not a wacko. She makes Prince happy right now and people who have seen the shows say that his affection towards her shows; good. What more do we want? Prince has always had a variety of people on the stage of varying abilities Personally I am greatful that he is not pushing her on his fans and not telling us that her talents compare to Corrine Bailey Ray or someone else. I will be very suprised if she is around in 4 years.

Deadflow3r said:

Heidi said:

Oh pleaze ... like her singing abilities are a criterium ...

Let's not forget that this is the man who got Apples, Carmen and Mayte to sing ... as long as they are pretty enough and a nice booty he doesn't care so much about their singing abilities.

This is half true. There are 2 types of women that he has on stage with him. There are the musicians and singers, like Rosie Gaines , Shelby J,Marva, Wendy and Lisa who are talented in their own right. Even if they may not have the level of talent and stage presence that Prince does they are true performers. The second group are the ladies who may or may not have talent but for sure that is not the main reason that they are there with him. on stage. I think they are there to lift his spirits and entertain him. Misty was on top of that piano for Prince's enjoyment, whether or not the audience appretiated her gifts was beside the point.

Jill, Susannah and Sheila were his most talented ladies and actually could pull in an audience on their own (of course not arena size but I don't think Rosie is playing to arena's either and she is very gifted).

The question is which category is Andy in? I think she has more talent then Carmen, Vanity, Apples and Bria. I don't know if she falls into the Jill and Susannah category, maybe.

I am thankful that she does not get on the org, pretending to be an objective Prince fan, and argue with Prince fans and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about by critisizing her work and going on and on about how beautiful she is and how she is certain to become the next Mrs Nelson. Basically, she is not a wacko. She makes Prince happy right now and people who have seen the shows say that his affection towards her shows; good. What more do we want? Prince has always had a variety of people on the stage of varying abilities Personally I am greatful that he is not pushing her on his fans and not telling us that her talents compare to Corrine Bailey Ray or someone else. I will be very suprised if she is around in 4 years.

im not saying this to be smart but Are you an expert on prince's women?

Andy was great in Malahide........Eye dont hate any1 but on she was crap on canal tv but in Dublin so made up 4 it...

becuase she sucks. Thats the only reason she is in the band anyway and the fact that he cant find any real musicians who will convert to his religion and will put up with his crap.

Ottensen said:

RubyButterfly said:

Just as I expected.

You won't give examples of the HATRED!!!!!!!!!!1 you're blathering on about because you simply can't. You deliberately chose to use sensational, strong language like "hate", "hating", "haters" and "hatred" yet you refuse to back up your accusations when questioned and I'm sorry, but that's just wrong and reduces your 'argument' to nothing but plain propoganda.

I wouldn't want you to 'force' me to see the extreme HATRED!!!!!!!!!!!!1 you claim is being directed at Andy and Shelby, I merely asked you to explain to me what your definition of this HATRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 is, and maybe point out some examples, because we clearly have differing ideas of what constitutes HATRED!!!!!!!!!!1 and, if HATRED!!!!!!!!!!!! actually is going on -- REAL HATRED -- I'd certainly like to be made aware of it and read it with my own eyes so as to form my opinion about it (vs taking the claims of one person who refuses to prove her claims).

As already stated, all I've seen around here is legitimate critiques of Andy's dubious guitar skills, some remarks about her being boring, and a smattering of petty jabs stemming from the usual suspects who snark on all women close to Prince. NONE of that anywhere NEAR meets the criteria of such a strong word as HATRED.

But I guess HATRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sounds so very dramatic and exciting doesn't it.

I've observed 2elijah's posts on this website for years, and anyone who's seen her in the trenches of the P&R forum knows that she's extraordinarily rational and intelligent woman, and fine debater with comprehensive technique and very thorough posting style. I don't even know who this Andy person is and don't really care (I'm just browsing out of boredom before I catch my train)- but the one thing I do know is that not being able to provide you with examples or stirring up AA forum propaganda is the least likely of reasons why you're not being engaged by "2e"; more likely than not she just doesn't give a shit about what you think

*sorry but sometimes reading the AA posts where people get up in arms about nothing cracks me up* edit

[Edited 8/4/11 8:59am]

I respect if someone doesn't give a shit about what I think or have to say. It's okay.

It's my belief, though, and the point I was trying to make, was that if a person is going to use strong, inflammatory language such as "hatred" to describe a situation or actions, there should be actual reason TO USE such loaded language. "Hate" means something to me...it's a word I don't toss it around wantonly or without just cause, and I have not seen "hatred" being directed at Andy and truly would have liked to have been shown examples if this were happening around here, as I think it's unjust to label what I've seen with such an extreme, ugly word as "hate".

I'm sorry my thoughts and opinions on this subject are ridiculous to you. I've read your posts often, Ottenson, and you are clearly an articulate, intelligent lady and I've always respected you as being one of the most worthwhile posters here. I'm a bit surprised you don't get what I'm saying about language and the power of it, particularly when such words like "hate" are used.

Prince aint-a-gonna marry her. He has learned his lesson on contracts and Andy

would need to turn Jehovah in order to be his spouse. Don't think Prince will

disavow his JW-ness. If she become a JW and he tires of her, Prince will be known

as the artist with a string of jilted lovers/protegees-turned-JW. This is hardly flattering.

Andy makes Prince happy and can grow into a decent performer. She needs to

lose her shyness and yep, learn and practice the guitar if he continues to prop

her up with said instrument. Loved the little Camaroon dance but she can improve

on her dancing. Her popularity is going through the roof (10,035 fb fans) as Prince

tosses the Fairy Dust on Planet Earth to mak us all love her, and it's working.

BTW, Misty Copeland not only was 'on that piano' but performed the most consummate

dance of any Prince performer in recent history. She danced on her toes!!

funkyrake said:

thebanishedone said:

funkyrake said:

Prince aint-a-gonna marry her. He has learned his lesson on contracts and Andy

would need to turn Jehovah in order to be his spouse. Don't think Prince will

disavow his JW-ness. If she become a JW and he tires of her, Prince will be known

as the artist with a string of jilted lovers/protegees-turned-JW. This is hardly flattering.

Andy makes Prince happy and can grow into a decent performer. She needs to

lose her shyness and yep, learn and practice the guitar if he continues to prop

her up with said instrument. Loved the little Camaroon dance but she can improve

on her dancing. Her popularity is going through the roof (10,035 fb fans) as Prince

tosses the Fairy Dust on Planet Earth to mak us all love her, and it's working.

BTW, Misty Copeland not only was 'on that piano' but performed the most consummate

dance of any Prince performer in recent history. She danced on her toes!!

how do you lnow prince wont leave jehovah witness cult,i predict he will leave it sooner then you think

Larry Graham. He will always pull him back to JW when Prince strays. Be nice if he did leave it, but the alleged promise to Mattie to convert to jw is looming large.

funkyrake said:

Prince aint-a-gonna marry her. He has learned his lesson on contracts and Andy

would need to turn Jehovah in order to be his spouse. Don't think Prince will

disavow his JW-ness. If she become a JW and he tires of her, Prince will be known

as the artist with a string of jilted lovers/protegees-turned-JW. This is hardly flattering.

Andy makes Prince happy and can grow into a decent performer. She needs to

lose her shyness and yep, learn and practice the guitar if he continues to prop

her up with said instrument. Loved the little Camaroon dance but she can improve

on her dancing. Her popularity is going through the roof (10,035 fb fans) as Prince

tosses the Fairy Dust on Planet Earth to mak us all love her, and it's working.

BTW, Misty Copeland not only was 'on that piano' but performed the most consummate

dance of any Prince performer in recent history. She danced on her toes!!

Yes, but I honestly think she was there for his enjoyment and whether or not the audience appretiated her talent was irrelevant to Prince. At that moment he seemed to love her.

babyjubilation said:

Deadflow3r said:

This is half true. There are 2 types of women that he has on stage with him. There are the musicians and singers, like Rosie Gaines , Shelby J,Marva, Wendy and Lisa who are talented in their own right. Even if they may not have the level of talent and stage presence that Prince does they are true performers. The second group are the ladies who may or may not have talent but for sure that is not the main reason that they are there with him. on stage. I think they are there to lift his spirits and entertain him. Misty was on top of that piano for Prince's enjoyment, whether or not the audience appretiated her gifts was beside the point.

Jill, Susannah and Sheila were his most talented ladies and actually could pull in an audience on their own (of course not arena size but I don't think Rosie is playing to arena's either and she is very gifted).

The question is which category is Andy in? I think she has more talent then Carmen, Vanity, Apples and Bria. I don't know if she falls into the Jill and Susannah category, maybe.

I am thankful that she does not get on the org, pretending to be an objective Prince fan, and argue with Prince fans and tell them that they don't know what they are talking about by critisizing her work and going on and on about how beautiful she is and how she is certain to become the next Mrs Nelson. Basically, she is not a wacko. She makes Prince happy right now and people who have seen the shows say that his affection towards her shows; good. What more do we want? Prince has always had a variety of people on the stage of varying abilities Personally I am greatful that he is not pushing her on his fans and not telling us that her talents compare to Corrine Bailey Ray or someone else. I will be very suprised if she is around in 4 years.

im not saying this to be smart but Are you an expert on prince's women?

I have only been a Prince fan since 2008 and for some strange reason, maybe because of the words to some of songs, I became fascinated with his personal life. He is very human and repeats the same mistakes over and over again. It is like the movie "Groundhog Day"; most of us have an area of our life where we do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

funkyrake said:

She needs a musical instrument teacher. Professionals are out

there. I am sure Prince is teaching her what he knows. The

best situation for her would be remove herself from the pressure

of the performances and find a quiet productive learning

environment. I do think Prince cares about fans' opinions and

probably is aware of Andy's fan following. He has skillfully

sprinkled angle dust over her fans and followers to mask her

lack of professional abilities, probably feeling she will pick needed

skills.

However if IDA is lacking, then Andy may also not gain in

abiliy if she is just taught by Prince. For me, her singing and

stage presence are enough until she truly gains instrumental

ability. Then I would love to see her join the a'real music by

real musicians" club!!

Check out Esperana Spaulding vids, esp. I Know You know and compare a Berklee

College of Music performer with Andy's performances. I feel Prince grabbed Andy

to fill that awkward void left by SheilaE's departure. He sprinkled his fairy dust

around the planet to make the musically dumb/uncaring/ignorant believe she is

musically proficient. With 10,100 aforementioned fans, I think it worked.

Can somebody please tell me how Prince discovered this chick in the first place? I've asked this question on a few other threads and nobody's answered. Hello, how did he discover her? No snarky comments from the purple peanut gallery

SeventeenDayze said:

Can somebody please tell me how Prince discovered this chick in the first place? I've asked this question on a few other threads and nobody's answered. Hello, how did he discover her? No snarky comments from the purple peanut gallery

she auditioned but i think he likes the soft voice she has and is always trying to find new independent artists to exploit help. She's been on his radar.