Your point is moot with all "why would's" with all the drama. That's exactly what happened regardless of why. Maybe it's just a case of a really bad manager. Whatever it is he tried to do, he fell flat on his face and dragged Alan along with him to share an asphalt sandwitch.
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Whether the fDeluxe album reaches an audience beyond the hardcore purple fanbase depends on whether the music is good, not on what people say here. If it's good, we'll recommend it to our friends. If not, we won't.
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I vaguely remember this but would love to reread it if you find it.
The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/ | |
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This claim by some to be concerned with privacy strikes me as a bit disingenuous. After all, a fan's interest in an artist almost always crosses the lines into what an artist could claim as his or her privacy. But anyone who pursues a career in the public limelight, entertainer, athlete, whatever, knowingly sacrifices a huge portion of their right to privacy. What's no less than hysterically funny is a forum subscriber complaining about anyone who posts breaching privacy boundaries. If you're not interested then what in the heck are you on here for in the first place??? Is there something about the definition of "fan" that I don't get? | |
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The underwater guitar sound Prince tried to get by suggesting placing an amp (plugged in, mind you) in a tub of water and setting up a mic next to it is probably the best true Prince story in history. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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Some of us also don't immediately jump to Prince's defense when his varied activities through the years support things that people who have actually DEALT with him have to say. Prince has a TRACK RECORD on this kind of stuff. Not so much his particular event...but think of all the things he wants to blame others for when he is clearly responsible. His lack of support for almost any album post WB then blaming the record label for poor sales. Blaming WB for a HUGE $$ contract that blinded him to his actual deal (must sell 10k each record) then saying he is a SLAVE for putting himself in that situation. Writing a song that blame his fans for wanting to have websites he doesn't approve of and posts as a free downlaod (how passive aggressive is THAT?). Let's say that Prince's actions support a lot of what the people who have been in contact with Prince for many years...both personally and in business. But when they confirm what seems fairly obvious through his own behaviour the purple colored glasses swoop in to defend Prince - right or wrong. I am a fan of Prince's music, have been since 1978. But I don't have to be indignant for him or defend him when he shows that he has some fairly big and obvious issues. | |
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Space for sale... | |
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Good luck getting a reasonable answer on that 1. Some of these folks are NOt nice.....because they can be, hiding behind a computer terminal. | |
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at this point your posts are starting to just not make sense! If you actually reaad this thread, you wlil notice that only you and maybe one other person had a negative reaction to Alan's posts.
The rest of us posting on here found it to be extremely helpful, interesting, refreshing. Dare I say the "lone voice of reason" in this debate?
Each time you post you use a tone that appears quite disparaging, whereas the rests of us are honored and delighted to hear from peolple involved in the creation of hte music we love. One has to question.....were does your negative atittude actually come from?? | |
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Can we just drop the nonsense that's been repeated over and over again? Let's show some respect for a special industry guest that can provide specific insight and anecdotal information on the musician(s) we supposedly come here to discuss. Mr. Leeds has always been a straight-shooter, and there's no reason to believe he's changed this tact.
For fuck's sake. He's a Grammy winning archivist who worked with James Brown. James motherfucking Brown.
The bickering is ridiculous, though not unexpected, coming from the usual suspects. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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With mention of things like "asphalt sandwiches" and whatnot, can't we just agree that it's trolling and move on? Stop giving this person's antics all of this attention. It was ridiculous for their statements to be made and its equally ridiculous so much time is wasted trying to prove them wrong when they have no intentions of changing their mind. | |
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When Prince speaks or does any of his schtick he gets it even worse, don't kid yourself. What's fair is fair.
Prince gets pelted here and everywhere in the world press rightly or wrongly when he puts his foot in his mouth. If you are a professional, well act like it. And don't expect the kid gloves treatment you yourself put yourself in these situations. Especially someone as smart and experienced in these matters as Alan. | |
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Alan and Neil, your insight is appreciated here. I hope you don't feel unwelcome.
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There was some good learnings in here. Thanks Mr. Leeds.
Something I just thought of. If Prince were to Sue he probably wouldn't pay his lawyers right? He seems to have a reputation of not paying his bills.
I am looking forward to the release of the new album which seems really far away. Seems like they are seriously planning a tour. Don't forget the San Francisco area. Yoshi's seems like a good place. | |
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y'all gone keep messin' around wit me and turn me back to the old me...... | |
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First off, thank you Alan and Neil for shedding some light on this matter. As usual, people with information are met by the PPS (Prince protection squad); the group of self-appointed, self-entitled fans who have sworn to defend this multi-millionaire superstar in any and all matters, regardless of the facts in a situation and for no gain whatsoever. Maybe they believe they will be "allowed into the purple kingdom" or whatever for defending him on a message board (that he at one point tried to have shut down)? Who knows? Who cares? Not me. They often use techniques of deflection when they have no leg to stand on in their perspectives. If that doesn't work, then it becomes a matter of trying to reduce facts to opinions and put all opinions on an equal level. I assume these same people get medical advice from janitors instead of going to the doctor, since all opinions are equal and no one could possibly be basing their opinions on something other than grand conjecture, right? "If they really had faith in their music, they would start from the ground up...blah, blah, blah...WHY SHOULD THEY?" Lots of people know the story of Anna Mae Bullock. She is best known as Tina Turner, a name she fought for in court, despite the fact that her image (and her name) was created by Ike Turner. People cheered for her as a struggling underdog who got to go on and become the famous song diva that so many of us know and love. That never would have happened if everyone had listened to Ike Turner and the Ike Turner "junkriders" and we would have missed out on a lot of great music. The Family may have been Prince's brainchild but it was the members who subjected themselves to the limelight. Why shouldn't they be able to continue? Could it be that Sir Ego won't allow anything that he had a hand in creating to grow on its own, like a kid who takes his basketball off the court when he loses a game and has to sit one out? People always say "its not a _______ album without ________ and that may be how they feel but in truth, that is simply not always the case. You may not like it but change happens and performers rely on name recognizability to help them in future endeavors. They were involved in the record, too. They were involved in the performance and the presentation. Haven't they earned the right? Most people hate old debts. Most people take one of two courses of actions: pay them OR ignore them. Prince seems to choose the latter more often than not. This behavior is par for the course for Mr. Nelson and its not the first time we've seen it. Rather than acknowledging and paying up OR...OR...coming to a new agreement that could be beneficial to both parties (like having them open up for him and people get a double shot of nostalgia as well as a reminder of some of Prince's other side accomplishments), it seems like he always picks the "ignore" option. He doesn't win anything by doing so but they lose and in some peoples' minds (often petty-mided people), that is good enough. Its hard to take someone seriously about their so-called religion when they do things that are the complete antithesis of what what they claim to believe? I could have sworn that in that book, there is a line about ""Whatever you do unto the least of my brethren, you do unto me" Since it seems that they are beyond all of that and fDeluxe is the name, would it be so wrong to offer up a few dates on a tour since it seems like he's not going to deliver any backpay? | |
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I have been made aware of your personal insults and sent you a private message.
The internet should bring the all facets of the industry - the business, the artists AND the fans closer - but its people like you that will ensure they stay separated. Had the posts been thoughtful and polite as opposed to inflammatory and immature I would have continued to interact publicly ... now I won't.
Thanks to those who have posted intelligently, there's been quite a few of you who have taken that route. To those with serious questions about the band feel free to drop me a message privately. I may take a while to respond - all my clients are working on new albums, TV shows etc so I am busy - but I will definitely come back to you at some stage.
To members of the forum - for the record: If I wanted to do a PR spin I would have done it in August when the album was available for pre-order and via a much larger, worldwide medium than this one. I am sure you would all agree that would make more sense ... I hope that one is cleared up now too.
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This thread is depressing. The Census Bureau estimates that there are 2,518 American Indians and Alaska Natives currently living in the city of Long Beach. | |
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HONESTLY..............How could they feel welcomed here? | |
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I just paid $45.97 for the one and only copy of the original Family album on CD that Amazon had in stock. I guess none of that money will go to Prince or fDeluxe or WMG or Paisley Park or any of y'all. Sorry! The Census Bureau estimates that there are 2,518 American Indians and Alaska Natives currently living in the city of Long Beach. | |
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Well this sucks. We had the privilige of hearing from 2 very closely connected people to the band and now because of people being rude, one is leaving.
I just want to state publicy that I apologize if my calling out the rude behavior somehow egged that person on or made anyone feel bad.
I was offended at how Alan and Neil were being attacked and wanted to speak up; I just hope I didn't make it worse. | |
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Have no fear, I would never hold a few folks with their own agendas against everyone else, albeit they make the exercize of sharing thoughts and info very frustrating. It's become clear to me that there are a few folks on here who merely use the forums as a social network with little or no serious interest in Prince or the music that spawned this site in the first place. So be it, it's a free world. BTW, for the record, while I have great respect for Neil and the job he is doing, our posts are 100% our own. Other than emotionally, I have nothing to do with the official management of fDeluxe and speak solely for myself. Point being, neither Neil nor the band should be considered as participants or influences in what I say or how I say it. Believe it or not (and some of you won't, no matter what is said or done, lol), this entire series of posts evolved quite spontaneously....there never was a plot to somehow exploit the forum other than to express some frustrations and opinions, like anyone else on here. As Neil suggests, if it were a "business plan" it surely would have been conducted quite differently. | |
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Case closed. | |
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I vote that we lock this thread and ask Alan if he would please comment on the dozens of other threads where his knowledge might be useful. This particular thread is just a bummer.
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Well, he could consider being a moderator for this forum and clearing up any misinformation on questions people have on Prince music and former, associated band members, etc. I think that would be a good idea to have a former Prince associate as an occasional moderator for this particular forum. [Edited 5/26/11 18:55pm] | |
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I agree. He would need an extra large shovel to dig through all the BS, though. The Census Bureau estimates that there are 2,518 American Indians and Alaska Natives currently living in the city of Long Beach. | |
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From what I got from his later posts, he doesn't seem to take any, which is why he would be a good choice to moderate. He would have mod power to snip posts that get out of hand or close a thread and clarify any misinfomation related to Prince music, etc. if it gets a bit crazy. Plus I never knew he worked with the King of Soul, the late, great, James Brown. That's awesome. If not a moderator, at least contribute to the site when he chooses. He could bring us one-on-one interviews with former band associates, which is not a bad idea. [Edited 5/26/11 19:16pm] | |
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Unfortunately, you more than likely purchased a fake/counterfeit copy of the CD at that "low" price. Amazon Marketplace and eBay sellers are unloading tons of those at the same price point. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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