Thanks Alan for your honesty and insight. I would recommend some of the fans to actually search on the web for some of the interviews you've down over the years about Prince. I just came across a past interview you did regarding Prince and Miles Davis. I knew some of the details but you filled in a lot of the blanks inbetween that gives me a better perspective of their relationship professionally and friends. Wow, I had no idea Miles covered Movie Starr in concert. Even more it was great to hear that Miles was into laying a track down to cover the Family's "Nothing Compares to U".

Lastly, I hope cooler heads will prevail and both Prince and FDeluxe can find a common ground to meet and settle their differences. Often times a go between whom both parties have a level of trust and respect can break the ice. Maybe Shiela...she seems to share a common bond with Paul and Prince...and doesn't seem to let those differences get between peforming with both sides of the camp..just a thought...maybe at the end of the day it will be musicians rather than lawyers that can save the day...

ALANL said:

kgarcia863 said:

RIGHT!!

Why on GOD'S green earth would Alan come on the org and disclose that private & confidential information to US?? SMDH!!! I don't care how many of YOU were begging for answers, ALAN keep your professional hat on! OMG!!!

Absolutely nothing I have discussed is of a private or confidential nature. In fact the majority of what I've said is easily available in other public sources, books about Prince, reference books about the music business or music law. I merely attempted to share some clarification on issues that the regular members of these forums express great interest in. It's curious to me that fans on the forums express frustration at the lack of accurate information and then when you receive it, balk at it and call out the sources as unprofessional to join your conversations. Do you think that little of yourself that you don't deserve the interest of people wishing to share? I don't get that.

ALANL said:

kgarcia863 said:

RIGHT!!

Why on GOD'S green earth would Alan come on the org and disclose that private & confidential information to US?? SMDH!!! I don't care how many of YOU were begging for answers, ALAN keep your professional hat on! OMG!!!

Absolutely nothing I have discussed is of a private or confidential nature. In fact the majority of what I've said is easily available in other public sources, books about Prince, reference books about the music business or music law. I merely attempted to share some clarification on issues that the regular members of these forums express great interest in. It's curious to me that fans on the forums express frustration at the lack of accurate information and then when you receive it, balk at it and call out the sources as unprofessional to join your conversations. Do you think that little of yourself that you don't deserve the interest of people wishing to share? I don't get that.

My apologies and certainly no disrespect intended...I am just not interested in what should go on behind closed doors between the interested parties. Again, I apologize for my above statement if it came across as malicious or crude, but people here are so interested in EVERYTHING to the point of crossing the line most of the time...I just hope for a resolution that is not made so public but amicable. Good luck.

kgarcia863 said:

ALANL said:

Absolutely nothing I have discussed is of a private or confidential nature. In fact the majority of what I've said is easily available in other public sources, books about Prince, reference books about the music business or music law. I merely attempted to share some clarification on issues that the regular members of these forums express great interest in. It's curious to me that fans on the forums express frustration at the lack of accurate information and then when you receive it, balk at it and call out the sources as unprofessional to join your conversations. Do you think that little of yourself that you don't deserve the interest of people wishing to share? I don't get that.

...I am just not interested in what should go on behind closed doors between the interested parties.

Then why do you keep coming back to this thread and reading thru the posts like everyone else that is interested?

(I'm sure you'll be back to answer this so I'll wait... )

7souls said:

kgarcia863 said:

...I am just not interested in what should go on behind closed doors between the interested parties.

Then why do you keep coming back to this thread and reading thru the posts like everyone else that is interested?

(I'm sure you'll be back to answer this so I'll wait... )

he asked ME a question AW, so I replied... I also wanted to apologize to him. ..Is that good enough for you? Plus, I said closed doors..read thoroughly next time!

[Edited 5/24/11 23:27pm]

laurarichardson said:

GaryMF said:

yet another great post Laura. you clearly have never worked on business contracts. they go through many revisions until all parties finally sign them. ughhh.

Well [Name calling snip - luv4u] I actually do have experience with contracts and I understand they go through revisions as terms and conditions are being worked out but the manager said the contracts were not finalized. No one should have agreeded to work on this record if contracts were not signed or signed and some parties to the contract were not happy with the T&C's.

I just wanted the manager to answer that question. [Flame snip - luv4u]

Yet again, typical for you Laura. I didn't read this before you got edited for your breaking the rules, but when cahllenged you resort to name calling me and others and flaming rather than intelligent discourse.

Now you're back pedalling but your original post 1) accused the actual people invovled of being "unprofessional" for posting here (when acutally they are the ONLY ones being professional!) and 2) suggested you don't understand how contracts work since you said "they have one or they don't" which implied you did NOT udnerstand the revision process.

I would have had a lot more respect for Alan, but mostly Eric himself. If Eric came here himself to plug this album/get the name back, instead of sending big bro coming on this fan-site to air his gripes about the name.

I am not defending Prince and his craziness, just the cheesiness of Alan coming to a fansite, whether he was coaxed by the members of the band or his brother himself, because of his supposed stature and the weight his statements would pull in relation to the other band members. I understand that the music biz is in dire straights and everybody needs to make a buck but.....

We here all know that Prince was for all intents and purposes WAS The Family and only prompt his girlfriend and remnants of the band members to fore as this group, I just find it sad and unseemly for the characters to go on and on about this, like they could stoop no lower to cling whatever their manufactured claim to fame was.

[Edited 5/25/11 4:39am]

V10LETBLUES said:

I would have had a lot more respect for Alan, but mostly Eric himself. If Eric came here himself to plug this album/get the name back, instead of sending big bro coming on this fan-site to air his gripes about the name.

I am not defending Prince and his craziness, just the cheesiness of Alan coming to a fansite. Whether he was coaxed by the members of the band or his brother himself, because of his supposed stature and the weight his statements would pull in relation to the other band members. I understand that the music biz is in dire straights and everybody needs to make a buck but.....

Errr, I really don't think that's the situation and Mr Leeds has explained why he posted here. Weird post.

NouveauDance said:

V10LETBLUES said:

I would have had a lot more respect for Alan, but mostly Eric himself. If Eric came here himself to plug this album/get the name back, instead of sending big bro coming on this fan-site to air his gripes about the name.

I am not defending Prince and his craziness, just the cheesiness of Alan coming to a fansite. Whether he was coaxed by the members of the band or his brother himself, because of his supposed stature and the weight his statements would pull in relation to the other band members. I understand that the music biz is in dire straights and everybody needs to make a buck but.....

Errr, I really don't think that's the situation and Mr Leeds has explained why he posted here. Weird post.

No, it's exactly what its about and he comes off as passive aggressive and slightly pathetic to pretend otherwise.

GaryMF said:

laurarichardson said:

Well [Name calling snip - luv4u] I actually do have experience with contracts and I understand they go through revisions as terms and conditions are being worked out but the manager said the contracts were not finalized. No one should have agreeded to work on this record if contracts were not signed or signed and some parties to the contract were not happy with the T&C's.

I just wanted the manager to answer that question. [Flame snip - luv4u]

Yet again, typical for you Laura. I didn't read this before you got edited for your breaking the rules, but when cahllenged you resort to name calling me and others and flaming rather than intelligent discourse.

Now you're back pedalling but your original post 1) accused the actual people invovled of being "unprofessional" for posting here (when acutally they are the ONLY ones being professional!) and 2) suggested you don't understand how contracts work since you said "they have one or they don't" which implied you did NOT udnerstand the revision process.

that's Laura's specialty: name-calling and arguing with others.She doesn't know how to debate and have an intelligent conversation with somebody.

V10LETBLUES said:

I would have had a lot more respect for Alan, but mostly Eric himself. If Eric came here himself to plug this album/get the name back, instead of sending big bro coming on this fan-site to air his gripes about the name.

I am not defending Prince and his craziness, just the cheesiness of Alan coming to a fansite, whether he was coaxed by the members of the band or his brother himself, because of his supposed stature and the weight his statements would pull in relation to the other band members. I understand that the music biz is in dire straights and everybody needs to make a buck but.....

We here all know that Prince was for all intents and purposes WAS The Family and only prompt his girlfriend and remnants of the band members to fore as this group, I just find it sad and unseemly for the characters to go on and on about this, like they could stoop no lower to cling whatever their manufactured claim to fame was.

but isn't it refreshing to hear the views of someone who is close to the situation? Someone who has actually worked with Prince before,and knows firsthand what he is talking about? On this site,there is always alot of speculation,rumors,and misinformation from people who have no connection to Prince.I think it's cool to finally hear from an "insider" with alot of insight.

This is all just passive aggressive BS

who starts a thread like this? and Why?

Statement from Square One Entertainment regarding fDeluxe

First it stats with trite niceties about his brother and praise then

For the record:

The group broke up in the mid 80’s, soon after scoring a top 10 R&B hit with the song ‘Screams Of Passion’. Business was not handled correctly. Paisley Park/Warner issued The Family album without a finalized contract signed by the whole band. PRN/Paisley Park or whomever the parent company is have continued to exploit the band’s image, voice etc with the full knowledge that they is doing so without the performer’s permission.

c'mon, let's cut to the chase and cut the crap.

If I could find a young lawyer who wanted to take on the case pro bono then I can go to town.

The tag team continues

Not sure what questions have not been addressed but please respect that there may certain aspects of things that Neil is not at liberty to discuss publicly. You can be assured and Neil has stated clearly that any and all legal issues effecting fDeluxe are being professionally and properly addressed in the appropriate venues. No one here is the least bit intimidated by Prince or his attorneys, just understandably annoyed.

he issue is Prince and his attorneys continuing to annoy with threats based a false claim of ownership. He and his so-called management have refuted every attempt to discuss this and any other aspect in a civil manner on a level playing field.

Furthermore, there are "right to work" laws that protect one's ability to earn a living doing what they do. Attempts to interfere cannot be tolerated.

I can't imagine anything plainer than that. So Neil is right. The conversation, with all due respect, should be over.

So instead of all the crap if these [Name calling snip - luv4u] simply came on this fansite and just said in one clear sentence without all the passive aggressive nonsense and simply stated their gripes. I would be cool with it.

I have no problem with the band or they recording another album, it's about the way these two clowns have gone about it. Whenever I hear this type of passive aggressive nonsense fed to the lambs here it just rubs me the wrong way. As you can probably tell.

[Edited 5/25/11 5:47am]

V10LETBLUES said:

This is all just passive aggressive BS

So instead of all the crap if these[Name calling snip - luv4u] simply came on this fansite and just said in one clear sentence without all the passive aggressive nonsense and simply stated their gripes. I would be cool with it.

I don't think you know what "passive aggressive" means, because Alan has been anything but; he posted very clearly and direclty on here, direclty answering questions posted.

For you to start name calling (e.g.[Snip - luv4u]) is extremely disrespectful, ungrateful, and just plain wrong.

GaryMF said:

V10LETBLUES said:

This is all just passive aggressive BS

So instead of all the crap if these [Name calling snip - luv4u] simply came on this fansite and just said in one clear sentence without all the passive aggressive nonsense and simply stated their gripes. I would be cool with it.

I don't think you know what "passive aggressive" means, because Alan has been anything but; he posted very clearly and direclty on here, direclty answering questions posted.

For you to start name calling (e.g. [Snip - luv4u]) is extremely disrespectful, ungrateful, and just plain wrong.

.....and u guys wonder why more people connected 2 Prince and Prince himself don't post here.

SoulAlive said:

GaryMF said:

Yet again, typical for you Laura. I didn't read this before you got edited for your breaking the rules, but when cahllenged you resort to name calling me and others and flaming rather than intelligent discourse.

Now you're back pedalling but your original post 1) accused the actual people invovled of being "unprofessional" for posting here (when acutally they are the ONLY ones being professional!) and 2) suggested you don't understand how contracts work since you said "they have one or they don't" which implied you did NOT udnerstand the revision process.

that's Laura's specialty: name-calling and arguing with others.She doesn't know how to debate and have an intelligent conversation with somebody.

Ok good to know. That's what it seems like anyway.

There used to be someone else on the ORG who would come to every Associated Thread and simply post "I love prince. anyone else sucks" or pretty much something to that effect for no reason. It got annoying fast.

Not that Laura is doing that...... still.

Graycap23 said:

GaryMF said:

I don't think you know what "passive aggressive" means, because Alan has been anything but; he posted very clearly and direclty on here, direclty answering questions posted.

For you to start name calling (e.g. [Snip - luv4u]) is extremely disrespectful, ungrateful, and just plain wrong.

.....and u guys wonder why more people connected 2 Prince and Prince himself don't post here.

If you are going to post stuff like they have, or Jill Jones has, people need to be called on it. period.

Regardless of who they are. Or rather especially considering who they are.

[Edited 5/25/11 7:19am]

[Edited 5/25/11 7:20am]

V10LETBLUES said:

Graycap23 said:

.....and u guys wonder why more people connected 2 Prince and Prince himself don't post here.

If you are going to post stuff like they have, or Jill Jones has, people need to be called on it. period.

Regardless of who they are. Or rather especially considering who they are.

Called on it? Why not just be an adult and disagree in a tactful manner?

sosgemini said:

V10LETBLUES said:

If you are going to post stuff like they have, or Jill Jones has, people need to be called on it. period.

Regardless of who they are. Or rather especially considering who they are.

Called on it? Why not just be an adult and disagree in a tactful manner?

At this point.........they know what 2 expect and it is why they won't post here.

2 bad really.....it could really kill a lot of the pointless speculation around here.

sosgemini said:

V10LETBLUES said:

If you are going to post stuff like they have, or Jill Jones has, people need to be called on it. period.

Regardless of who they are. Or rather especially considering who they are.

Called on it? Why not just be an adult and disagree in a tactful manner?

Exactly.

sosgemini said:

V10LETBLUES said:

If you are going to post stuff like they have, or Jill Jones has, people need to be called on it. period.

Regardless of who they are. Or rather especially considering who they are.

Called on it? Why not just be an adult and disagree in a tactful manner?

No things NEED to be called out. And direct is usally better than beating around the bush with bs,

Especially the initial post by the OP. Cringeworthy is too nice of a word to discribe it.

[Edited 5/25/11 7:43am]

V10LETBLUES said:

sosgemini said:

Called on it? Why not just be an adult and disagree in a tactful manner?

No things NEED to called out. And direct is usally better than beating around the bush with bs,

Especially the initial post by the OP. Cringeworthy is too nice of a word to discribe it.

That's YOUR opinion.

And "Need to be called out"?? WTF?? Who are you to decide what "needs" to be called out? Talk about self-absorbed and self-aggrandizing.

My opinion is the OP made a very clear statement and was very direct.

Nothing passive agressive about it.

V10LETBLUES said:

sosgemini said:

Called on it? Why not just be an adult and disagree in a tactful manner?

No things NEED to called out. And direct is usally better than beating around the bush with bs,

Especially the initial post by the OP. Cringeworthy is too nice of a word to discribe it.

Did YOU directly orgnote Neil and Alan with your concern over their posts? And for someone who claims they are not trying to defend prince and his craziness you have sure done a good job of it, passively of course, by insulting Neil, Alan, and The Family.

Adisa said:

V10LETBLUES said:

No things NEED to called out. And direct is usally better than beating around the bush with bs,

Especially the initial post by the OP. Cringeworthy is too nice of a word to discribe it.

Did YOU directly orgnote Neil and Alan with your concern over their posts? And for someone who claims they are not trying to defend prince and his craziness you have sure done a good job of it, passively of course, by insulting Neil, Alan, and The Family.

No they posted here for whatever PR purposes. It is only appropriate to respond here, in the forum where they initially fed their views.

V10LETBLUES said:

Adisa said:

Did YOU directly orgnote Neil and Alan with your concern over their posts? And for someone who claims they are not trying to defend prince and his craziness you have sure done a good job of it, passively of course, by insulting Neil, Alan, and The Family.

No they posted here for whatever PR purposes. It is only appropriate to respond here, in the forum where they initially fed their views.

Or maybe because, "I wasn’t going to address this topic any further but there are so personal attacks flying around on prince.org that I couldn’t sit on my hand."

So, it sounds to me like they were doing everything that you are about right now. Again, what are you "calling them out on?". Folks were pooping off at the mouth on prince.org, and they came DIRECTLY to prince.org to deal with that.

Adisa said:

V10LETBLUES said:

No they posted here for whatever PR purposes. It is only appropriate to respond here, in the forum where they initially fed their views.

Or maybe because, "I wasn’t going to address this topic any further but there are so personal attacks flying around on prince.org that I couldn’t sit on my hand."

So, it sounds to me like they were doing everything that you are about right now. Again, what are you "calling them out on?". Folks were pooping off at the mouth on prince.org, and they came DIRECTLY to prince.org to deal with that.

Oh, nevermind.

http://prince.org/msg/5/359511

Adisa said:

V10LETBLUES said:

No they posted here for whatever PR purposes. It is only appropriate to respond here, in the forum where they initially fed their views.

Or maybe because, "I wasn’t going to address this topic any further but there are so personal attacks flying around on prince.org that I couldn’t sit on my hand."

So, it sounds to me like they were doing everything that you are about right now. Again, what are you "calling them out on?". Folks were pooping off at the mouth on prince.org, and they came DIRECTLY to prince.org to deal with that.

Its called "spin"

Look whether in politics or business, or personal life, these tactics rub me the wrong way.

electricberet said:

Track 8: Cease and Desist

Saw U called me yesterday

U just couldn't resist

But now U heard my lawyer say

U must cease and desist

Cease and desist! Why can't U bring Urself 2 C

Cease and desist! Ur family name belongs 2 me

U don't need a contract

2 no that U owe me Ur fame

Eye can simply retract

The royalties U claim

Cease and desist! Why can't U bring Urself 2 C

Cease and desist! Ur family name belongs 2 me

etc.

[Edited 5/24/11 11:10am]

love it!

V10LETBLUES said:

Adisa said:

Or maybe because, "I wasn’t going to address this topic any further but there are so personal attacks flying around on prince.org that I couldn’t sit on my hand."

So, it sounds to me like they were doing everything that you are about right now. Again, what are you "calling them out on?". Folks were pooping off at the mouth on prince.org, and they came DIRECTLY to prince.org to deal with that.

Its called "spin"

Look whether in politics or business, or personal life, these tactics rub me the wrong way.

While you're looking up "passive aggressive" you can also look up "spin" because these terms do NOT describe the posts by Neil and Alan.

Funny how when I "called you" on your post above you didn't respond.

V10LETBLUES said:

I would have had a lot more respect for Alan, but mostly Eric himself. If Eric came here himself to plug this album/get the name back, instead of sending big bro coming on this fan-site to air his gripes about the name.

I am not defending Prince and his craziness, just the cheesiness of Alan coming to a fansite, whether he was coaxed by the members of the band or his brother himself, because of his supposed stature and the weight his statements would pull in relation to the other band members. I understand that the music biz is in dire straights and everybody needs to make a buck but.....

We here all know that Prince was for all intents and purposes WAS The Family and only prompt his girlfriend and remnants of the band members to fore as this group, I just find it sad and unseemly for the characters to go on and on about this, like they could stoop no lower to cling whatever their manufactured claim to fame was.

[Edited 5/25/11 4:39am]

you really should think before you post. like once.

kgarcia863 said:

7souls said:

Then why do you keep coming back to this thread and reading thru the posts like everyone else that is interested?

(I'm sure you'll be back to answer this so I'll wait... )

he asked ME a question AW, so I replied... I also wanted to apologize to him. ..Is that good enough for you? Plus, I said closed doors..read thoroughly next time!

[Edited 5/24/11 23:27pm]

Ok, if you want to take it there, I can do this...he asked if you think that little of yourself. Is that the question you replied to?

You apologized. Awww, good for you. Maybe you shouldn't be an ass in the first place to people that are volunteering info that others found helpful, and that you had an option of reading or not.

"I am just not interested in what should go on behind closed doors between the interested parties." Did you in all your infinite wisdom decide what should go on behind closed doors and what he is allowed to say? Read your posts thoroughly next time. In your first post you made the judgment call that Alan came "on the org and disclose that private & confidential information to US." Maybe since he is directly involved and you aren't, he might have a better clue as to what exactly is private and confidential.

If you want a "resolution that is not made so public", here's an idea...don't click on any threads in the first place that have anything to do with this topic. That way you won't have to be offended at whatever the resolution is.

Now come on back after you read thoroughly thru your own posts.

Genesia said:

Square1entertainment said:

Prince offered “to help” should the group agree to use another name - which we have - yet his manager has ignored numerous requests regarding the possibility of opening shows etc, save for a simple “I will pass on your message to Prince today” late last year. While we would appreciate an offer to open for him (or artists of similar standing) - he is an amazing live performer who plays to large crowds - we understand that its his call at the end of the day and he can put on whomever he wants. It’s HIS shows and he owes the band nothing (except the aforementioned) but to offer help then to ignore numerous follow-up emails/calls is disappointing.

Why hasn't he called? He said he would. I mean...I thought we had a really nice time on our date and he seemed totally into me. I just don't understand what could have happened. How could he do this? I thought he was a nice guy...but I guess he's just a jerk.

He's just not that into you.

Ohhh... You are sooo Bad!