Is this a 100% Prince production or did he just write it?

http://www.princevault.co...ugar_Walls

Prince Vault has most of it right except that it was recorded in January or February of 1984 in LA. Prince was present in the studio with her at the time. The executive producer of the album was Greg Mathison though Prince added input to the track's production. Both Prince and Sheena were working with studio engineer, David Leonard, at the time.

Wowugotit said:

Prince Vault has most of it right except that it was recorded in January or February of 1984 in LA. Prince was present in the studio with her at the time. The executive producer of the album was Greg Mathison though Prince added input to the track's production. Both Prince and Sheena were working with studio engineer, David Leonard, at the time.

Cool follow up. Where did you get this info?

madhouseman said:

Wowugotit said:

Prince Vault has most of it right except that it was recorded in January or February of 1984 in LA. Prince was present in the studio with her at the time. The executive producer of the album was Greg Mathison though Prince added input to the track's production. Both Prince and Sheena were working with studio engineer, David Leonard, at the time.

Cool follow up. Where did you get this info?

I got the info from an interview Sheena Easton gave back in 1985 in regards to how "sugar walls" came about. She says the track was recorded shortly (like the day after) the Super Bowl in 1984.

Wowugotit said:

madhouseman said:

Cool follow up. Where did you get this info?

I got the info from an interview Sheena Easton gave back in 1985 in regards to how "sugar walls" came about. She says the track was recorded shortly (like the day after) the Super Bowl in 1984.

Very cool. I've never seen/read that interview. Good find!

I forgot how catchy this song was.

This is the best song she ever did, closely followed by U got the look and Arms of Orion. Prince was the best thing to happen to her career.

lipstick said:

This is the best song she ever did, closely followed by U got the look and Arms of Orion. Prince was the best thing to happen to her career.

I don't know what difference Prince made in her career. She had hits before and after working with him.

Yes, she had hits before and after working with Prince, but she wasn't seen as a cool artist until she hooked up with him. It took her career to another level and helped elevate her celebrity status. Sheena was a good foil 4 Prince.

lipstick said:

Yes, she had hits before and after working with Prince, but she wasn't seen as a cool artist until she hooked up with him. It took her career to another level and helped elevate her celebrity status. Sheena was a good foil 4 Prince.

Yeah, Sugar Walls helped her get on the Tipper Gore hit list. I don't know if that's a good thing or not.

lipstick said:

Yes, she had hits before and after working with Prince, but she wasn't seen as a cool artist until she hooked up with him. It took her career to another level and helped elevate her celebrity status. Sheena was a good foil 4 Prince.

I agree.Before she started working with Prince,she was sorta like Olivia Newton John (pre-Grease).Most of her hits before "Sugar Walls" were adult contemporary ballads and lite pop.Working with Prince gave her a sexier sound and introduced her to R&B and dance music audiences.

SoulAlive said:

lipstick said:

Yes, she had hits before and after working with Prince, but she wasn't seen as a cool artist until she hooked up with him. It took her career to another level and helped elevate her celebrity status. Sheena was a good foil 4 Prince.

I agree.Before she started working with Prince,she was sorta like Olivia Newton John (pre-Grease).Most of her hits before "Sugar Walls" were adult contemporary ballads and lite pop.Working with Prince gave her a sexier sound and introduced her to R&B and dance music audiences.

People who like to rag PRince proteges never seem to acknowledge those who were not proteges but had significant career spikes from his genius - such as Sheena, Sinnead O Connor (would anyone know or care who she was without one Prince song?), Mavis Staples (those Paisley Park albums were good and she was in a movie for a minute - even though it was Graffit Bridge), George Clinton (he also got a couple of good Paisley Park albums and a few nice Prince tunes that helped him after Atomic dog fizzled out), Carmen Electra (lets face it - she was only good enough to do porn before Prince took her in), Patti Labelle (didnt really need Prince but one of her best songs of the 80s came from him), Bangles (as lame and unsubstanial as the Go Gos were back then and the only thing worth remembering from them is a Prince hit).

Production is wild on that joint.

The regular version(video) is so stale in comparison to the extended version/instrumental.

The liner notes state that it was remixed without any mention of Prince. My inner fam wants me to block out those evil thoughts.

The tom rolls that seemingly throw an alleyoop to the snare/clap combo are a very subtle touch that I enjoy.

I can't finish a post about this song without mentioning the solo. I wish it was louder and I wish the shredding lasted longer and I wish he played it live.

lipstick said:

This is the best song she ever did, closely followed by U got the look and Arms of Orion. Prince was the best thing to happen to her career.

What about Eternity?

purplenuts said:

People who like to rag PRince proteges never seem to acknowledge those who were not proteges but had significant career spikes from his genius - such as Sheena, Sinnead O Connor (would anyone know or care who she was without one Prince song?), Mavis Staples (those Paisley Park albums were good and she was in a movie for a minute - even though it was Graffit Bridge), George Clinton (he also got a couple of good Paisley Park albums and a few nice Prince tunes that helped him after Atomic dog fizzled out), Carmen Electra (lets face it - she was only good enough to do porn before Prince took her in), Patti Labelle (didnt really need Prince but one of her best songs of the 80s came from him), Bangles (as lame and unsubstanial as the Go Gos were back then and the only thing worth remembering from them is a Prince hit).

I'd say The Bangles are more known today for Walk Like An Egyptian than Manic Monday. Mavis didn't get any hits from Prince, and I'm sure she's always remembered more for The Staples Singers than any of her solo music. George Clinton's, Larry Graham's, & Chaka Khan's albums with Prince didn't do much either as they got little (if any) promotion. Carmen's record did no better than other Paisley acts like Good Question. I don't think most people today even know she made a record other than hardcore Prince fans. Sugar Walls did no better or worse than any other of Sheena's hits of the time. 101 was released as a single, and it was actually produced by Prince, and it didn't do anything. But the songs Sheena did with LA & Babyface on the same album were big hits on pop & R&B radio. The only one that had any significant difference with a Prince song was Sinead, but the original version by The Family was mostly unknown.

101 was actually popular on the Billboard Dance / Club Play charts. Reaching the top 10 back in 1989.

Dsoul said:

lipstick said:

This is the best song she ever did, closely followed by U got the look and Arms of Orion. Prince was the best thing to happen to her career.

What about Eternity?

I'd put "Cool Love" before "Arms of Orion".

MickyDolenz said:

lipstick said:

This is the best song she ever did, closely followed by U got the look and Arms of Orion. Prince was the best thing to happen to her career.

I don't know what difference Prince made in her career. She had hits before and after working with him.

Man, please, nobody knew or even cared about that bitch until P started fucking with her .

MickyDolenz said:

lipstick said:

This is the best song she ever did, closely followed by U got the look and Arms of Orion. Prince was the best thing to happen to her career.

I don't know what difference Prince made in her career. She had hits before and after working with him.

Prince got her all sexed up and made boys wanna run a morning train on that ass!

HonestMan13 said:

MickyDolenz said:

I don't know what difference Prince made in her career. She had hits before and after working with him.

Prince got her all sexed up and made boys wanna run a morning train on that ass!

SonOfSoul said:

MickyDolenz said:

I don't know what difference Prince made in her career. She had hits before and after working with him.

Man, please, nobody knew or even cared about that bitch until P started fucking with her .

Stupid ass.

She had a Grammy Award and had several top 10 hits prior to working with Prince.

Wowugotit said:

SonOfSoul said:

Man, please, nobody knew or even cared about that bitch until P started fucking with her .

Stupid ass.

She had a Grammy Award and had several top 10 hits prior to working with Prince.

Bitchass, she wasn't shit over HERE in the states until P pimped her out with Sugar Walls.

SonOfSoul said:

Wowugotit said:

Stupid ass.

She had a Grammy Award and had several top 10 hits prior to working with Prince.

Bitchass, she wasn't shit over HERE in the states until P pimped her out with Sugar Walls.

The Grammys are in the USA, so what are you talking about? She's the only act to have hit songs on the pop, adult contemporary, country, dance, R&B, and jazz charts. You've never heard of Telephone, Morning Train, and her duet with Kenny Rogers We've Got Tonight among other pre-Sugar Walls hits. She even did a James Bond movie theme song, also before Prince. I remeber these on Friday Night Videos, Solid Gold, and Casey Kasem's Top 10, which are all USA TV shows. You should get one of those Billboard hits books that tells the positions of different songs.

MickyDolenz said:

SonOfSoul said:

Bitchass, she wasn't shit over HERE in the states until P pimped her out with Sugar Walls.

The Grammys are in the USA, so what are you talking about? She's the only act to have hit songs on the pop, adult contemporary, country, dance, R&B, and jazz charts. You've never heard of Telephone, Morning Train, and her duet with Kenny Rogers We've Got Tonight among other pre-Sugar Walls hits. She even did a James Bond movie theme song, also before Prince. I remeber these on Friday Night Videos, Solid Gold, and Casey Kasem's Top 10, which are all USA TV shows. You should get one of those Billboard hits books that tells the positions of different songs.

Just because the Grammys are in the US doesn't mean mainstream America gives a shit about you. I can name TONS of Grammy winners that NO ONE IN HERE has ever heard of. And again, no one gave a fuck about her here until Prince sexied her up. The person that said she was pretty much like Olivia Newton John hit it right: a boring ass pop singer.

SonOfSoul said:

Just because the Grammys are in the US doesn't mean mainstream America gives a shit about you. I can name TONS of Grammy winners that NO ONE IN HERE has ever heard of. And again, no one gave a fuck about her here until Prince sexied her up. The person that said she was pretty much like Olivia Newton John hit it right: a boring ass pop singer.

Just because you think she is boring, doesn't cancel out the fact she had hit songs in the US before working with Prince. Sheena made pop which is mainstream as you can get. She was popular with the mainstream when Prince was considered a R&B act and had not really crossed over. She was no different than other popular acts of the time like Air Supply, Melissa Manchester, & Christopher Cross.

MickyDolenz said:

SonOfSoul said:

Just because the Grammys are in the US doesn't mean mainstream America gives a shit about you. I can name TONS of Grammy winners that NO ONE IN HERE has ever heard of. And again, no one gave a fuck about her here until Prince sexied her up. The person that said she was pretty much like Olivia Newton John hit it right: a boring ass pop singer.

Just because you think she is boring, doesn't cancel out the fact she had hit songs in the US before working with Prince. Sheena made pop which is mainstream as you can get. She was popular with the mainstream when Prince was considered a R&B act and had not really crossed over. She was no different than other popular acts of the time like Air Supply, Melissa Manchester, & Christopher Cross.

I never said she DIDN'T have hit songs, I just said Prince made her much more popular, especially with mainstream music fans, with his sexual makeover of her UK boring ass. And where you get that P hadn't crossed over by the mid 80s is beyond me. You better check that again. After Purple Rain, Prince was EASILY a BONAFIDE crossover act.

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SonOfSoul said:

MickyDolenz said:

Just because you think she is boring, doesn't cancel out the fact she had hit songs in the US before working with Prince. Sheena made pop which is mainstream as you can get. She was popular with the mainstream when Prince was considered a R&B act and had not really crossed over. She was no different than other popular acts of the time like Air Supply, Melissa Manchester, & Christopher Cross.

I never said she DIDN'T have hit songs, I just said Prince made her much more popular, especially with mainstream music fans, with his sexual makeover of her UK boring ass. And where you get that P hadn't crossed over by the mid 80s is beyond me. You better check that again. After Purple Rain, Prince was EASILY a BONAFIDE crossover act.

[Edited 4/3/11 18:29pm]

That's what I was saying, Sheena had pop hits in the states before Purple Rain and even 1999. Prince hadn't crossed over in 1981. Don't forget, between "disco sucks" in 1979 and MJ's Thriller, black performers were rarely played on pop Top 40 stations. Soft rock/pop and country acts like Kenny Rogers & Dolly Parton were mainstream in the very early 80s. This was also the time of arena rock like REO Speedwagon, Styx, Journey, Boston, Queen, etc. Prince was booed off a Rolling Stones tour. The Stones also are as mainstream as you can get.

MickyDolenz said:

SonOfSoul said:

I never said she DIDN'T have hit songs, I just said Prince made her much more popular, especially with mainstream music fans, with his sexual makeover of her UK boring ass. And where you get that P hadn't crossed over by the mid 80s is beyond me. You better check that again. After Purple Rain, Prince was EASILY a BONAFIDE crossover act.

[Edited 4/3/11 18:29pm]

That's what I was saying, Sheena had pop hits in the states before Purple Rain and even 1999. Prince hadn't crossed over in 1981. Don't forget, between "disco sucks" in 1979 and MJ's Thriller, black performers were rarely played on pop Top 40 stations. Soft rock/pop and country acts like Kenny Rogers & Dolly Parton were mainstream in the very early 80s. This was also the time of arena rock like REO Speedwagon, Styx, Journey, Boston, Queen, etc. Prince was booed off a Rolling Stones tour. The Stones also are as mainstream as you can get.

No, you stated that since I thought she was boring then that meant I didn't think she had hits, and you were wrong, that wasn't my point at all and it never was.