funksterr said:

purplenuts said:

Because there is a difference in naming legends in liner notes as a show of reverance and respect and being promoted or pigeonholed as the next version of a legend.

That you can not hear it doesnt mean it was not an influence. Prince has made her influence obvious - he covered her song live before Purple Rain was released. Find his first interview with Rolling Stone and he makes it plain that Mitchell and Stevie Wonder influenced him. I thought that even the most casual Prince fan knew this.

Prince did all those other things listed above that are greater than liner notes - like working with legends and lendng his clout to their projects. George Clinton was dead after Atomic Dog -I doubt he even had a contract until he was signed to Paisley Park. Mavis Staples' career was helped with by her Paisley projects. These were not huge commercial his but it was quality stuff and helped their exposure - yes, even their appearances in the GRaffiti Bridge film got them out in front of more people and a younger demo than their own core fanbases.

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Liner notes please? Again Joni Mitchell isn't making Blues, Gospel, Funk, Soul or R&B, so Prince is full of ish saying she is this great influence on him, when 99% of his tunes show a completely DIFFERENT set of influences. He was just trying to sound well rounded while talking to white folks. You are criticizing these kids who are clearly influenced by The Time, Vanity 6 and Prince records of the early 80's, which was the hot sound on black radio at the time, as not giving Prince credit. Prince's first album had a lot of disco on it. Who did he thank in the liner notes for starting disco?

And Prince did not revive Mavis Staples or George Clinton's career. Even if you want to credit him as having done so, it's like 20 albums into his career that he reached out to those artists. You are criticizing guys for not naming Prince that had like one shot.

If anything Prince stole "Erotic City" from a George Clinton jam session. Jacked "Mother Popcorn" from James Brown and mixed it with a sample from "En Vogue" to make "Gett Off" and I don't recall him thanking any of those artists in his liner notes. And this was deep into his career where he had already made a name for himself.

OK - Prince and practically everyone else is lying. Yet I can't imagine why he would lie about Mitchell being an influence. And I never said Prince revived anyone's career. I never said Prince thanked anyone in liner notes either. BUt obviously there is a need to fight and be right - a need that I don't have so knock yourself out.

purplenuts said:

funksterr said:

Liner notes please? Again Joni Mitchell isn't making Blues, Gospel, Funk, Soul or R&B, so Prince is full of ish saying she is this great influence on him, when 99% of his tunes show a completely DIFFERENT set of influences. He was just trying to sound well rounded while talking to white folks. You are criticizing these kids who are clearly influenced by The Time, Vanity 6 and Prince records of the early 80's, which was the hot sound on black radio at the time, as not giving Prince credit. Prince's first album had a lot of disco on it. Who did he thank in the liner notes for starting disco?

And Prince did not revive Mavis Staples or George Clinton's career. Even if you want to credit him as having done so, it's like 20 albums into his career that he reached out to those artists. You are criticizing guys for not naming Prince that had like one shot.

If anything Prince stole "Erotic City" from a George Clinton jam session. Jacked "Mother Popcorn" from James Brown and mixed it with a sample from "En Vogue" to make "Gett Off" and I don't recall him thanking any of those artists in his liner notes. And this was deep into his career where he had already made a name for himself.

OK - Prince and practically everyone else is lying. Yet I can't imagine why he would lie about Mitchell being an influence. And I never said Prince revived anyone's career. I never said Prince thanked anyone in liner notes either. BUt obviously there is a need to fight and be right - a need that I don't have so knock yourself out.

Thank You. If Prince didn't thank anyone in liner notes that influenced and paved the way for him, you shouldn't mock other performers for failing to thank Prince.

purplenuts said: George Clinton was dead after Atomic Dog -I doubt he even had a contract until he was signed to Paisley Park. Mavis Staples' career was helped with by her Paisley projects. These were not huge commercial his but it was quality stuff and helped their exposure - yes, even their appearances in the GRaffiti Bridge film got them out in front of more people and a younger demo than their own core fanbases.

Did you overlook George Clinton's Capitol-released albums "You Shouldn't Nuf Bit Fish", "Some Of My Best Jokes Are Friends" and "R&B Skeletons In The Closet" ? ...

All 3 released between 1982 and 1987, so if Capitol thought his career was over, then why even take the effort to let him continue recording for Capitol and promote

his albums with videos ( "Last Dance", "Do Fries Go With That Shake", "Double Oh Oh" "Bulletproof") and a "Best Of" compilation of his Capitol albums ? Around 1985

he did also a collabo with Thomas Dolby & Dolby's Cube ("May The Cube Be With You") and helped guiding to some degree the Red Hot Chilli Peppers at the start of their career.

George's legacy was well acknowledged by artists from the industry, and his creations were used by various of them (many in the Hip Hop area) as an influence.

Especially Digital Underground, Dr. Dre, Snoop and others kept new listeners aware of George's P-Funk influence. George himself kept very active by touring much

with the P-Funk All Stars with various other guests. The end of the succesful P-Funk era with multiple groups and productions is an unfortunate thing what happened,

especially the financial side, but the impact of the P-Funk sound has made it's mark in music history which can't be taken away, and not so long ago he eventually

won a case for owning a number of masters of early Funkadelic albums ( i think on Westbound ) which he has well deserved.

Jesse Johnson

sosgemini said:

Wow! By the time I became a mall shopping teen, Merry Go Round was a joke. Interesting to learn it was a cool place at one point in time. Or is it the equivalent of those goth stores in the mall that only the wannabe kids actual shop at?

Merry Go Round was serious businessssss. You just prayed you either had enough money left over from your part time high school job to get some shit there or that your mom would take u shopping on your birthday...anything. I'm telling you, back when MTV still played music videos and folk listened to America's Top 40 on Sunday mornings and you stood waiting for the record store to open on the day of a Prince album release...the bizzzzz.

Spinlight said:

Jesse Johnson

yikes! Themz fightin words! Some black guitarist will be stepping to you any minute now

funksterr said:

purplenuts said:

OK - Prince and practically everyone else is lying. Yet I can't imagine why he would lie about Mitchell being an influence. And I never said Prince revived anyone's career. I never said Prince thanked anyone in liner notes either. BUt obviously there is a need to fight and be right - a need that I don't have so knock yourself out.

Thank You. If Prince didn't thank anyone in liner notes that influenced and paved the way for him, you shouldn't mock other performers for failing to thank Prince.

He used Joni's name on the cover of an album and I do not mock anyone for liner notes - so your point is moot. I merely made an observation about those who blantantly rip Prince off ie. Prince clones. Prince is influenced by Joni Mitchell, James BRown, Sly Stone, Earth Wind and Fire, etc but he was always an original - Prince clones are influenced by Prince AND then ripped him off.

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