SonOfSoul said:

MickyDolenz said:

That's what I was saying, Sheena had pop hits in the states before Purple Rain and even 1999. Prince hadn't crossed over in 1981. Don't forget, between "disco sucks" in 1979 and MJ's Thriller, black performers were rarely played on pop Top 40 stations. Soft rock/pop and country acts like Kenny Rogers & Dolly Parton were mainstream in the very early 80s. This was also the time of arena rock like REO Speedwagon, Styx, Journey, Boston, Queen, etc. Prince was booed off a Rolling Stones tour. The Stones also are as mainstream as you can get.

No, you stated that since I thought she was boring then that meant I didn't think she had hits, and you were wrong, that wasn't my point at all and it never was.

You said nobody in the mainstream heard of her before she got with Prince. That implies she was unknown or an underground act, therefore, no hits.

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MickyDolenz said:

SonOfSoul said:

No, you stated that since I thought she was boring then that meant I didn't think she had hits, and you were wrong, that wasn't my point at all and it never was.

You said nobody in the mainstream heard of her before she got with Prince. That implies she was unknown or an underground act, therefore, no hits.

[Edited 4/3/11 19:25pm]

No, read what I wrote again in that particular post, but this time read it more carefully - I said P made her MORE POPULAR WITH MAINSTREAM FANS.

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SonOfSoul said:

MickyDolenz said:

You said nobody in the mainstream heard of her before she got with Prince. That implies she was unknown or an underground act, therefore, no hits.

[Edited 4/3/11 19:25pm]

No, read what I wrote again in that particular post, but this time read it more carefully - I said P made her MORE POPULAR WITH MAINSTREAM FANS.

[Edited 4/3/11 21:28pm]

Uh, this is what you said first, which is a totally different thing than that comment. Then call her an insulting name on top of it for no reason.

"Man, please, nobody knew or even cared about that b**** until P started f**** with her ."

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MickyDolenz said:

SonOfSoul said:

No, read what I wrote again in that particular post, but this time read it more carefully - I said P made her MORE POPULAR WITH MAINSTREAM FANS.

[Edited 4/3/11 21:28pm]

Uh, this is what you said first, which is a totally different thing than that comment. Then call her an insulting name on top of it for no reason.

"Man, please, nobody knew or even cared about that b**** until P started f**** with her ."

[Edited 4/3/11 22:52pm]

Oh please, spare me the whole "Ooh, you called her a bad name" bullshit, this is the Org, grown some nads. And I clarified what I meant by that statement when that dumbass kid made his comment. Read everything first.

SonOfSoul said:

MickyDolenz said:

I don't know what difference Prince made in her career. She had hits before and after working with him.

Man, please, nobody knew or even cared about that bitch until P started fucking with her .

Definately not true

OldFriends4Sale said:

SonOfSoul said:

Man, please, nobody knew or even cared about that bitch until P started fucking with her .

Definately not true

Definitely true.

SonOfSoul said:

Oh please, spare me the whole "Ooh, you called her a bad name", this is the Org. And I clarified what I meant by that statement when that kid made his comment.

Calling people names is not necessary and it's not very nice.

MickyDolenz said:

SonOfSoul said:

Oh please, spare me the whole "Ooh, you called her a bad name", this is the Org. And I clarified what I meant by that statement when that kid made his comment.

Calling people names is not necessary and it's not very nice.

Ok, you're right. I apologize to no one then.

I loved Sheena back then, in the "morning train" days and when she came out with Sugar Walls, I thought then and still think now that it is the most obscene song title I had ever heard on pop radio.

Off. Da. Hook. Prince had lots of balls back then...

Alasseon said:

I loved Sheena back then, in the "morning train" days and when she came out with Sugar Walls, I thought then and still think now that it is the most obscene song title I had ever heard on pop radio.

Off. Da. Hook. Prince had lots of balls back then...

I didn't "get it" until I was much older.

HonestMan13 said:

Prince got her all sexed up and made boys wanna run a morning train on that ass!

Exactly! "Sugar Walls" turned Sheena Easton in2 a sex pot. She did not have that sex symbol image b4 that hit song & was a totally different unrecognizable artist in the video of "U Got The Look"....That song was & is a MASTERPIECE!!! with clever provocative lyrics....When they use 2 ask her what the song meant. She would reply going shopping at a candy store...

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MickyDolenz said:

purplenuts said:

People who like to rag PRince proteges never seem to acknowledge those who were not proteges but had significant career spikes from his genius - such as Sheena, Sinnead O Connor (would anyone know or care who she was without one Prince song?), Mavis Staples (those Paisley Park albums were good and she was in a movie for a minute - even though it was Graffit Bridge), George Clinton (he also got a couple of good Paisley Park albums and a few nice Prince tunes that helped him after Atomic dog fizzled out), Carmen Electra (lets face it - she was only good enough to do porn before Prince took her in), Patti Labelle (didnt really need Prince but one of her best songs of the 80s came from him), Bangles (as lame and unsubstanial as the Go Gos were back then and the only thing worth remembering from them is a Prince hit).

I'd say The Bangles are more known today for Walk Like An Egyptian than Manic Monday. Mavis didn't get any hits from Prince, and I'm sure she's always remembered more for The Staples Singers than any of her solo music. George Clinton's, Larry Graham's, & Chaka Khan's albums with Prince didn't do much either as they got little (if any) promotion. Carmen's record did no better than other Paisley acts like Good Question. I don't think most people today even know she made a record other than hardcore Prince fans. Sugar Walls did no better or worse than any other of Sheena's hits of the time. 101 was released as a single, and it was actually produced by Prince, and it didn't do anything. But the songs Sheena did with LA & Babyface on the same album were big hits on pop & R&B radio. The only one that had any significant difference with a Prince song was Sinead, but the original version by The Family was mostly unknown.

How old are you? Because Manic Monday was played to death back in the day. In addtion, while not all of P's protegees or production did a lot in sales he has had hundreds of his songs covered by other artist and those singles have done well sales wise or at least were appreciated as good work. Do not front on an artist that has sold 40 million cds under his own name.

SonOfSoul said:

MickyDolenz said:

The Grammys are in the USA, so what are you talking about? She's the only act to have hit songs on the pop, adult contemporary, country, dance, R&B, and jazz charts. You've never heard of Telephone, Morning Train, and her duet with Kenny Rogers We've Got Tonight among other pre-Sugar Walls hits. She even did a James Bond movie theme song, also before Prince. I remeber these on Friday Night Videos, Solid Gold, and Casey Kasem's Top 10, which are all USA TV shows. You should get one of those Billboard hits books that tells the positions of different songs.

Just because the Grammys are in the US doesn't mean mainstream America gives a shit about you. I can name TONS of Grammy winners that NO ONE IN HERE has ever heard of. And again, no one gave a fuck about her here until Prince sexied her up. The person that said she was pretty much like Olivia Newton John hit it right: a boring ass pop singer.

DUde, let it go, she was pretty big/known over here and very much cross over...

4 Ur Eyes Only

laurarichardson said:

MickyDolenz said:

I'd say The Bangles are more known today for Walk Like An Egyptian than Manic Monday. Mavis didn't get any hits from Prince, and I'm sure she's always remembered more for The Staples Singers than any of her solo music. George Clinton's, Larry Graham's, & Chaka Khan's albums with Prince didn't do much either as they got little (if any) promotion. Carmen's record did no better than other Paisley acts like Good Question. I don't think most people today even know she made a record other than hardcore Prince fans. Sugar Walls did no better or worse than any other of Sheena's hits of the time. 101 was released as a single, and it was actually produced by Prince, and it didn't do anything. But the songs Sheena did with LA & Babyface on the same album were big hits on pop & R&B radio. The only one that had any significant difference with a Prince song was Sinead, but the original version by The Family was mostly unknown.

How old are you? Because Manic Monday was played to death back in the day. In addtion, while not all of P's protegees or production did a lot in sales he has had hundreds of his songs covered by other artist and those singles have done well sales wise or at least were appreciated as good work. Do not front on an artist that has sold 40 million cds under his own name.

As far as the people mentioned I still agree with MickeyD

the Bangles Walk Like An Egyptian was prob just as or more known that Manic Monday, but Manic Monday was HUGE, and I still hear it today on Soft Rock radio @ work

Mavis Staples was and always will be known for the Staples singers, not for anything she did with Prince (I think she was kinda invisible by the time Graffiti Bridge came out)

Chaka Khan doing I Feel 4 U made her big again in the 1980's But she was huge as a name and artist on her own prior to that.

I don't even want to embarass myself mentioning Carmen Electra with Prince but that was one of his dark spots on the career charts

I hated Sineeds cover of Nothing Compares 2 U, give me the Family anyday. Still can't be touched. But Prince's/the Family did put her on the scene

Alasseon said:

I loved Sheena back then, in the "morning train" days and when she came out with Sugar Walls, I thought then and still think now that it is the most obscene song title I had ever heard on pop radio.

Off. Da. Hook. Prince had lots of balls back then...

It was a very provocative song back then it's amazing that pop radio even played it,considering it has lyrics like this:

blood races to your private spots

lets me know that there's a fire

purplenuts said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree.Before she started working with Prince,she was sorta like Olivia Newton John (pre-Grease).Most of her hits before "Sugar Walls" were adult contemporary ballads and lite pop.Working with Prince gave her a sexier sound and introduced her to R&B and dance music audiences.

People who like to rag PRince proteges never seem to acknowledge those who were not proteges but had significant career spikes from his genius - such as Sheena, Sinnead O Connor (would anyone know or care who she was without one Prince song?), Mavis Staples (those Paisley Park albums were good and she was in a movie for a minute - even though it was Graffit Bridge), George Clinton (he also got a couple of good Paisley Park albums and a few nice Prince tunes that helped him after Atomic dog fizzled out), Carmen Electra (lets face it - she was only good enough to do porn before Prince took her in), Patti Labelle (didnt really need Prince but one of her best songs of the 80s came from him), Bangles (as lame and unsubstanial as the Go Gos were back then and the only thing worth remembering from them is a Prince hit).

There is all sorta wrong with this post. Are you being serious?

sosgemini said:

purplenuts said:

People who like to rag PRince proteges never seem to acknowledge those who were not proteges but had significant career spikes from his genius - such as Sheena, Sinnead O Connor (would anyone know or care who she was without one Prince song?), Mavis Staples (those Paisley Park albums were good and she was in a movie for a minute - even though it was Graffit Bridge), George Clinton (he also got a couple of good Paisley Park albums and a few nice Prince tunes that helped him after Atomic dog fizzled out), Carmen Electra (lets face it - she was only good enough to do porn before Prince took her in), Patti Labelle (didnt really need Prince but one of her best songs of the 80s came from him), Bangles (as lame and unsubstanial as the Go Gos were back then and the only thing worth remembering from them is a Prince hit).

There is all sorta wrong with this post. Are you being serious?

Seriously.

Some people here think Prince invented music, so I can see how they might think he created the career of everyone who worked with him, no matter how briefly. He's like the fairy godmother of funk!

OldFriends4Sale said:

SonOfSoul said:

Just because the Grammys are in the US doesn't mean mainstream America gives a shit about you. I can name TONS of Grammy winners that NO ONE IN HERE has ever heard of. And again, no one gave a fuck about her here until Prince sexied her up. The person that said she was pretty much like Olivia Newton John hit it right: a boring ass pop singer.

DUde, let it go, she was pretty big/known over here and very much cross over...

4 Ur Eyes Only

Check the last time I posted. I let it go, you brought it back. Now YOU let it go, "dood".

I've wondered if it was originally written as 'Sugar Walls?' You know, from a female perspective?

Or did Prince think 'Hey--I'll write a song about my junk and call it 'Sugar Balls!' and later he thouoght better of it?

Just heard it for the first time...a couple days ago I dont hate it.

lavender1983 said:

Just heard it for the first time...a couple days ago I dont hate it.

Love the song, that electric feel to that music was just timeless, can't get enough of it.

Just listening to cuts from the PR era an live shows ... there was just something magical happening everything was just hot

I was listening to the 8.1983 Benefit Show @ 1st Avenue the other day and I don't think I need to hear any other version of Purple Rain but that one

purplenuts said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree.Before she started working with Prince,she was sorta like Olivia Newton John (pre-Grease).Most of her hits before "Sugar Walls" were adult contemporary ballads and lite pop.Working with Prince gave her a sexier sound and introduced her to R&B and dance music audiences.

People who like to rag PRince proteges never seem to acknowledge those who were not proteges but had significant career spikes from his genius - such as Sheena, Sinnead O Connor (would anyone know or care who she was without one Prince song?), Mavis Staples (those Paisley Park albums were good and she was in a movie for a minute - even though it was Graffit Bridge), George Clinton (he also got a couple of good Paisley Park albums and a few nice Prince tunes that helped him after Atomic dog fizzled out), Carmen Electra (lets face it - she was only good enough to do porn before Prince took her in), Patti Labelle (didnt really need Prince but one of her best songs of the 80s came from him), Bangles (as lame and unsubstanial as the Go Gos were back then and the only thing worth remembering from them is a Prince hit).

What SoulAlive said was on point, but purplenuts, your comment is flawed at best.

Yes, Prince is a musical genius. Unfortunately, that genius is very hit and miss. None of the above experienced any "spikes" by working with Prince. Him working with them may have introduced them to Prince fans, but I don't hear none of them saying "where would my career be w/o Prince".

Carmen is a sex kitten, that's all she will ever be. Being with Prince didn't make her some huge, critically-acclaimed starlet. The Bangles have more fans from Walk..Eygptian than Manic Monday. Sinnead is known for her delivery of Prince's song, not because it was a Prince song.

As for the GoGo's, they had quite a career, regardless of how you felt about their music.

Your comment is making it sound as if Prince is some kind of musical savior and until he acknowledge you enough to work with you--you're nothing.

*I'm not trying to lead this thread somewhere it shouldn't go, I'm just commenting to this particular post. If I took it the wrong way, purplenuts, I'm sorry*

OldFriends4Sale said:

lavender1983 said:

Just heard it for the first time...a couple days ago I dont hate it.

Love the song, that electric feel to that music was just timeless, can't get enough of it.

Just listening to cuts from the PR era an live shows ... there was just something magical happening everything was just hot

I was listening to the 8.1983 Benefit Show @ 1st Avenue the other day and I don't think I need to hear any other version of Purple Rain but that one

Not to the thread off topic but so funny you mentioned that though....I just downloaded a special playlist of "Live @ the 1st Ave. Benefit Show" songs. Nothing beats him and his band live that's for sure. Cant stop listening.

mimi02 said:

purplenuts said:

People who like to rag PRince proteges never seem to acknowledge those who were not proteges but had significant career spikes from his genius - such as Sheena, Sinnead O Connor (would anyone know or care who she was without one Prince song?), Mavis Staples (those Paisley Park albums were good and she was in a movie for a minute - even though it was Graffit Bridge), George Clinton (he also got a couple of good Paisley Park albums and a few nice Prince tunes that helped him after Atomic dog fizzled out), Carmen Electra (lets face it - she was only good enough to do porn before Prince took her in), Patti Labelle (didnt really need Prince but one of her best songs of the 80s came from him), Bangles (as lame and unsubstanial as the Go Gos were back then and the only thing worth remembering from them is a Prince hit).

What SoulAlive said was on point, but purplenuts, your comment is flawed at best.

Yes, Prince is a musical genius. Unfortunately, that genius is very hit and miss. None of the above experienced any "spikes" by working with Prince. Him working with them may have introduced them to Prince fans, but I don't hear none of them saying "where would my career be w/o Prince".

Carmen is a sex kitten, that's all she will ever be. Being with Prince didn't make her some huge, critically-acclaimed starlet. The Bangles have more fans from Walk..Eygptian than Manic Monday. Sinnead is known for her delivery of Prince's song, not because it was a Prince song.

As for the GoGo's, they had quite a career, regardless of how you felt about their music.

Your comment is making it sound as if Prince is some kind of musical savior and until he acknowledge you enough to work with you--you're nothing.

*I'm not trying to lead this thread somewhere it shouldn't go, I'm just commenting to this particular post. If I took it the wrong way, purplenuts, I'm sorry*

Agreed! People don't realize that O'Conner was huge in the indie scene, performed on the Grammys and had a hit w/ MC Lyte for Lay Your Hands On Me. While Nothing Compares 2 U was the song that brought her mainsteam fame, I'd say she would have had a healthy career (still does) without it.

lavender1983 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Love the song, that electric feel to that music was just timeless, can't get enough of it.

Just listening to cuts from the PR era an live shows ... there was just something magical happening everything was just hot

I was listening to the 8.1983 Benefit Show @ 1st Avenue the other day and I don't think I need to hear any other version of Purple Rain but that one

Not to the thread off topic but so funny you mentioned that though....I just downloaded a special playlist of "Live @ the 1st Ave. Benefit Show" songs. Nothing beats him and his band live that's for sure. Cant stop listening.

I know what you mean, I keep playing songs over and over or parts sends chills over me like it was just yesterday... That's timeless music

minneapolisFunq said:

Production is wild on that joint.

The regular version(video) is so stale in comparison to the extended version/instrumental.

The liner notes state that it was remixed without any mention of Prince. My inner fam wants me to block out those evil thoughts.

The tom rolls that seemingly throw an alleyoop to the snare/clap combo are a very subtle touch that I enjoy.

I can't finish a post about this song without mentioning the solo. I wish it was louder and I wish the shredding lasted longer and I wish he played it live.

There is something about the beginning of the regular version I enjoy more than the beginning of the extended version....and unfortunatley it is that buildup to the loud linn drum snare on reverb in the first couple of seconds..that is not on the extended version...but as a whole yes the extended version is the one to go with all the way.

QuasarOfRock said:

I've wondered if it was originally written as 'Sugar Walls?' You know, from a female perspective?

Or did Prince think 'Hey--I'll write a song about my junk and call it 'Sugar Balls!' and later he thouoght better of it?

OMFG this made me laugh out loud.

"my sugar balls..." HAHAHAHA great post!

I hate the song Sugar Walls, the lyrics are embarrassingly silly.

But the video makes me giggle 'cause Bruce Hornsby's in it. He's in the background playing keywords wearing sunglasses. He used to be in her backing band.

Guess that makes him an associated artist of an associated artist