NouveauDance said:

NouveauDance said:

Zannaloaf said:

Yes- she was a Prince fan prior to meeting Prince. She posted on a now defunct

internet board.

I thought I read she posted on AMP?

AFAIK, that newsgroup is still there, although I haven't checked it in years. Anyone should be able to search for her posts on it through Google Groups - if you have the time and inclination (I'd recommended reading a good book or going for a nice walk in the park as preferable alternatives though).

I looked at it about 2 years ago...it seemed to be all spam, almost nothing related to Prince. Maybe they cleaned it up.

Zannaloaf said:

NouveauDance said:

I thought I read she posted on AMP?

AFAIK, that newsgroup is still there, although I haven't checked it in years. Anyone should be able to search for her posts on it through Google Groups - if you have the time and inclination (I'd recommended reading a good book or going for a nice walk in the park as preferable alternatives though).

I looked at it about 2 years ago...it seemed to be all spam, almost nothing related to Prince. Maybe they cleaned it up.

2 years ago, AMP was a ghost town.

It has been a ghost town since Prince.org and HQ were big.

Mani posted on amp in 1997 and 1998.

prodigalfan said:

Deadflow3r said:

Stalker seems a bit harsh. I do think she put herself in his line of vision verses him seeking her out. Truthfully I think Misty is the first Prince woman, IF INDEED SHE IS PRINCES NEXT GF, that was not handed to him on a silver platter since Vanity. He actually pursued Vanity and he sought out Misty, professionally anyway.

In the case of all his other woman I don't think there was ever a chance of rejection. If he wanted them they were his for the asking. That is my opinion. I don't think Manuela did anything that needed the attention of the police though, .

Oh no, and you are right... stalker is harsh. She pursued the man, got his attention and he went for it.

I am not all hard azz about the subject 100%. It may seem that way, because I can't get beyond that adultry is wrong, and particulary brutal in that circumstance (eg Prince, Mayte and Mani triangle). And some people can not even acknowledge the simple fact that adultry is wrong. They either say it was adultry, that Mayte deserved it, or that she was the one who did it to Prince, or that it never happened.

Once acknowledgement that wrong is wrong I can move on to say that I can understand how events could have happened. And seriously, if put in the shoes with either of the 3 players here... I could very well done the same thing... (even Mani) After all Prince is fine as hell, very charming, attentive, well loved and adored by fans and rich. Who wouldn't find it difficult to resist all of that?

I imagine from interviews and stories I have read over the years.. it went down something like this. Disclaimer... pure speculation based on rumors and "insiders coming on the Org" to set people straight etc.

Mayte and Prince suffered a tragedy. Mayte first way of dealing with the grief was "lets try right away for another" but Prince who stuck his big toe in the water (the whole marriage, fatherhood, committment, Muppet show appearance) and got his toe sliced off... was not interested in putting himself through that heart ache and drama again anytime soon.

So now Mayte is inconsolable... she has to deal with this grief the hard way... can't take short cuts trying for another right away. (many couples do this when experiencing miscarriage/stillborn) within 2 years, they have a healthy baby and move on with life.

So Mayte's way of dealing with the grief is crying talking it out etc. (totally common, and normal).

Prince on the other hand can't take all the crying because it puts him right smack in the middle of sadness and sorrow. His way of dealing with grief is to close it out of his heart and concious. Not "wallow" in grief. He throws himself into his work. Again very common and normal way of dealing with grief.

Prince has said in interview that he wishes he could ... either make his wife stop crying, or put that smile back on her face... something like that. And he had a wistful look on his face... very real emotion... feelings unchecked. That made me think she was inconsolable and he wants to help her... but he can't "make it all better"

Here comes Manuela; She has idolized Prince for years... and now she is working in his company. She probably just wanted to meet her idol...talk about music etc. Little did she know... there were cracks in Mayte and Prince's relationship due to the strain of the loss. Prince sees Manuela as a life line. When he is with Mayte, everything is sad, and Prince can't make it all better, maybe he even felt inadequate... used to being able to fix anything, buy anything, but have NO CONTROL over the loss of baby; But when he is with Manuela everything is good and right he is the man, the greatest and he can do ANYTHING, HE IS IN CONTROL.

It is easy to see how Prince was drawn to Mani not to mention that she is pretty.

Now the whole JW conversion gets thrown in the mix. Prince (re-evaluating his relationship with God etc due to the recent and frequent loss of close loved ones) wants to convert to JW. Mayte won't convert because she is Catholic... or doesn't believe in JW etc. Not to mention that JW rules are rather restricting.. no holidays etc. So Mayte is not down with conversion...

But Mani is open to it. She attends classes with Prince because she is "spiritually searching" as well. Then as a Mani insider said back in 2004 or 2005 on the Org, Prince and Mani grow "tighter and tighter"

A relationship starts.. Prince dissolves his CONtract with Mayte, so now he can feel right conducting another relationship. Then he moves Mayte to Spain (out of the way) because she has friends in PP camp that pull her coattails. He stays in Spain and they are happy for a few months... but now it is time to return to the states to record and promote Rave album. He leaves Mayte in Spain and picks right back up with Mani.

It was during this time that Orgers that attended the Celebration parties report seeing Mani there acting as the Lady of the Manor and wearing one of Mayte's dress (no less). They also report that Paisley Park is being redocorated and it is alledged that Mani has basically taken out Mayte's touch and replaced with her own decorating touch. The switch is now complete.

Anything that happens after that is just the story playing itself out. (Prince and Mayte having a screaming match outside the NYC club) etc.

Well anyway that is my IMPRESSION AND ASSUMPTION on the subject.. Sorry for the long book. I always have a hard time shutting it down once I get started with writing.

Totally believable. I think it was all just "fate" so to speak. I don't blame anyone, things just happened. The only thing I'd add is...when Mani was wearing the dress/redecorating, Prince and Mayte were divorced right? Perhaps Mayte was OK with what Mani was doing. Perhaps Mayte had moved on and didn't care what Prince did. And the dress was probably bought by Prince, so he could let anyone wear it really. Maybe it was just a dress in the clothes department of his house. I guess I mean, maybe Mani didn't have any ill will towards Mayte or mean intention when she was moving on with Prince.

Stalker? Nah.. I think she was a lucky fan who got her dream turned into reality. The internet if full of young ladies who would love to have a story like Mani's when it comes to their beloved celeb. JB fans can attest to that. But she didn't make Prince fall in love with her. She is the most beautiful woman Prince has been with IMO, so who could blame him for his attraction to her? If she was a "stalker" not many men would complain probably.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Totally believable. I think it was all just "fate" so to speak. I don't blame anyone, things just happened. The only thing I'd add is...when Mani was wearing the dress/redecorating, Prince and Mayte were divorced right? Perhaps Mayte was OK with what Mani was doing. Perhaps Mayte had moved on and didn't care what Prince did. And the dress was probably bought by Prince, so he could let anyone wear it really. Maybe it was just a dress in the clothes department of his house. I guess I mean, maybe Mani didn't have any ill will towards Mayte or mean intention when she was moving on with Prince.

It is my impressionDaphne from the way those stories were told... Mayte and Prince were still officially together, otherwise that would not have caused tongues to wag.

I remember one Orger in particular who was really put off that Mani would have the audacity to "wear the woman's clothes". That statement jumped out at me, which made me search the org to read other posts, until I got the gist of it.

And I am thinking this was before Rave CD came out. So, maybe Prince and Mayte privately was apart, but not publicly.

Prince and Mayte had marriage

dissoveled around 97 or 98 because Prince didn't believe in CONtracts but they were according to him going to be united spiritually or some BS like that. And they got that house in Spain and did the magazine spread after this dissolution of marriage.. and they started that dance company after this as well. So it did appear that they were united spiritually husband and wife.

But then in early 2000, they were DONE done and legally divorced and late 2000, Prince legally wedded Mani in Hawaii (according to mag articles.)

Manuela was not a stalker if Prince wanted her around him.

"Stalker" rhymes with "Damn that could've/should've been me! "

prodigalfan said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

It is my impressionDaphne from the way those stories were told... Mayte and Prince were still officially together, otherwise that would not have caused tongues to wag.

I remember one Orger in particular who was really put off that Mani would have the audacity to "wear the woman's clothes". That statement jumped out at me, which made me search the org to read other posts, until I got the gist of it.

And I am thinking this was before Rave CD came out. So, maybe Prince and Mayte privately was apart, but not publicly.

Prince and Mayte had marriage

dissoveled around 97 or 98 because Prince didn't believe in CONtracts but they were according to him going to be united spiritually or some BS like that. And they got that house in Spain and did the magazine spread after this dissolution of marriage.. and they started that dance company after this as well. So it did appear that they were united spiritually husband and wife.

But then in early 2000, they were DONE done and legally divorced and late 2000, Prince legally wedded Mani in Hawaii (according to mag articles.)

To be clear Mayte and Prince got a divorce. Also, on the decorating front , one of my friends was a painter (clouds and waterfalls) on the redesign at PP and she worked with the art director (Parke I am guessing) there on the redesign. She said basically he and Prince worked on it together. If you recall the Emancipation art was put up in the front, which has Mayte as a little kid and her parents in it. I kinda doubt Mani would have selected THAT...lol

Zannaloaf said:

prodigalfan said:

It is my impressionDaphne from the way those stories were told... Mayte and Prince were still officially together, otherwise that would not have caused tongues to wag.

I remember one Orger in particular who was really put off that Mani would have the audacity to "wear the woman's clothes". That statement jumped out at me, which made me search the org to read other posts, until I got the gist of it.

And I am thinking this was before Rave CD came out. So, maybe Prince and Mayte privately was apart, but not publicly.

Prince and Mayte had marriage

dissoveled around 97 or 98 because Prince didn't believe in CONtracts but they were according to him going to be united spiritually or some BS like that. And they got that house in Spain and did the magazine spread after this dissolution of marriage.. and they started that dance company after this as well. So it did appear that they were united spiritually husband and wife.

But then in early 2000, they were DONE done and legally divorced and late 2000, Prince legally wedded Mani in Hawaii (according to mag articles.)

To be clear Mayte and Prince got a divorce. Also, on the decorating front , one of my friends was a painter (clouds and waterfalls) on the redesign at PP and she worked with the art director (Parke I am guessing) there on the redesign. She said basically he and Prince worked on it together. If you recall the Emancipation art was put up in the front, which has Mayte as a little kid and her parents in it. I kinda doubt Mani would have selected THAT...lol

oh, well that is different than what I read earlier. Thanks for posting and clearing that exaggeration/untruth.

Rings true too because I bet Prince liking control of things would not let a woman set the mood for his environment.

I guess it was just more juicy/fun to believe the other story told about decoration... but this does make more sense.

Mayte has stated many time over the years in interviews that she never wanted to be divorced/a divorcee. He was her first everything and she had no idea how life was supposed to be.

I dont think any woman no matter how smoothly the divorce goes would be keen on the new woman wearing her clothes. Tha'st just a bit freaky would you go to your mans house and wear his ex-wife's clothes for a public event? Damn I wouldnt even wear an ex's PJ's!!!

Also remember a statement Mayte made on her Facebook or twitter about seeing Bria in the hair dressers and Mani responding saying she was pushing her luck with the comment sarcastically as if Mayte was gonna get into trouble for saying such things lol.

But as they say what goes around comes around and it did just that to Mani, if a guy can do it to his wife, then he wont have no probs doing it to you or anyone else.

Mayte319 said:

Mayte has stated many time over the years in interviews that she never wanted to be divorced/a divorcee. He was her first everything and she had no idea how life was supposed to be.

I dont think any woman no matter how smoothly the divorce goes would be keen on the new woman wearing her clothes. Tha'st just a bit freaky would you go to your mans house and wear his ex-wife's clothes for a public event? Damn I wouldnt even wear an ex's PJ's!!!

Also remember a statement Mayte made on her Facebook or twitter about seeing Bria in the hair dressers and Mani responding saying she was pushing her luck with the comment sarcastically as if Mayte was gonna get into trouble for saying such things lol.

But as they say what goes around comes around and it did just that to Mani, if a guy can do it to his wife, then he wont have no probs doing it to you or anyone else.

My husband always said this about his best "friend". He said he could only trust him as far as he could throw him.

When I asked why DH stated his friend cheated repeatedly on his wife.

His thought was "if this man could do that to the person who he professed to love, lived with, had sex with every night, shared children with etc... without batting an eye, you know he doesn't give a damn about foching you over."

^right.

Zannaloaf said:

PenelopePaige said:

I keep hearing bits and pieces on here about how Manuela used to post on the Org, how she stalked Prince and wore Mayte's clothes, how she gave up being a Jehovah's Witness as soon as they divorced and I want the whole story! What exactly is the story? Did she pretend to be a JW? I thought her family were JW's? And why in the world would Mayte befriend her on Facebook if she came in and stole her husband and put on her dresses? If what I've heard on here is true, this woman is a snake! The kind of woman the Bible warns about! Holy crap!

Can anyone give details from start to finish?

A serious answer to your question. NO. No one can give details from start to finish because all of it is mostly rumour based on scant fact.

Yes- she was a Prince fan prior to meeting Prince. She posted on a now defunct
internet board.

Yes- Prince employed her while he was still married to Mayte.

Yes- Prince married her after Mayte and Prince divorced.

Yes- she was studying JW during their relationship.

Yes- they got a divorce.

Beyond that I don't know what anyone REALLY knows other than speculation and innuendo.

So unless someone comes with "I was standing right next to them when they did or said "X" - or "Manuela and/or Prince confided directly to me" - it's all a load of fammy BS.

Correct me if I am wrong.

You forgot, yes, Mayte wants her dress back.

All the women in P's life past 1987 were probably stalkers. Oh well, you can't really be a stalker unless the person you're following is not cool with it.

PenelopePaige said:

I keep hearing bits and pieces on here about how Manuela used to post on the Org, how she stalked Prince and wore Mayte's clothes, how she gave up being a Jehovah's Witness as soon as they divorced and I want the whole story! What exactly is the story? Did she pretend to be a JW? I thought her family were JW's? And why in the world would Mayte befriend her on Facebook if she came in and stole her husband and put on her dresses? If what I've heard on here is true, this woman is a snake! The kind of woman the Bible warns about! Holy crap!

Can anyone give details from start to finish?

Mani was on the old AOL message boards/chat rooms and alt.music.prince. She used to talk a lot about wanting to marry a rich dude, blah blah blah. Though it was hard to believe at the time, Prince was active in the chat rooms for a short time. He typed in ALL CAPS, and regularly shouted obnoxious statements about himself like "PRINCE ISN'T AS FUNKY AS HE USED TO BE!" or" PRINCE SUCKS!". I have since seen him recall this in interviews as though it was a civilized discussion. Truthfully it was civilized until Prince started disrupting things. After several nights of Prince spontaneously crashing the party, he gave out his email address and eventually hired several people to "work" for him on his Love4OneAnother site. I believe Mani was one of them.

prodigalfan said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

It is my impressionDaphne from the way those stories were told... Mayte and Prince were still officially together, otherwise that would not have caused tongues to wag.

I remember one Orger in particular who was really put off that Mani would have the audacity to "wear the woman's clothes". That statement jumped out at me, which made me search the org to read other posts, until I got the gist of it.

And I am thinking this was before Rave CD came out. So, maybe Prince and Mayte privately was apart, but not publicly.

Prince and Mayte had marriage

dissoveled around 97 or 98 because Prince didn't believe in CONtracts but they were according to him going to be united spiritually or some BS like that. And they got that house in Spain and did the magazine spread after this dissolution of marriage.. and they started that dance company after this as well. So it did appear that they were united spiritually husband and wife.

But then in early 2000, they were DONE done and legally divorced and late 2000, Prince legally wedded Mani in Hawaii (according to mag articles.)

I remember seeing that statement too and was like WTF? Who wore what? Etc. My only thought was perhaps the clothes were just in the clothes dept. at PP and Prince told her she could wear whatever she wanted. Unless Mani was purposely trying to be mean by taking her clothes trying to get back at Mayte for something. You never know what went down with those 3 tbh. It's nice that it wasn't so bad that they carried it on...they seem to have moved on from it. Which is something alot of ex-wives can do. LOL I bet it makes Prince cringe to see them FB friends!

paintedlady said:

Manuela was not a stalker if Prince wanted her around him.

manuela was a stalker would make kickass song lyric

mauela was a stalker loved listening and dress proper

her mind was good place her heart was outta space

with ala sign o the time beat lol

PurpleChi said:

Wasn't Mani in the "Come On" video? Wasn't she the girl that Prince was trying to talk to (dressed as an old man) at the end when he's like, "Why don't u take an old man with u?" And she was like, "I don't like old men." I guess he really did have the butter for her muffin.

Yes you are correct.

With the marriage laws being such as they are, I dont know why any man would actually get married - let alone a legendary one who is as rich, talented, and famous as Prince. If a business partnership offered the exposure in termination that a marriage partnership does, the average intelligent man would never sign it. In as far as they are enforceable, prenuptial agreements of some sort should be mandatory if one feels the irresistable urge to wed.

There is nothing fair about women walking away with buckets of a rock star's money after a few years of marriage. Paul McCartney was fleeced by his money grubbng ex-wife. The laws that facilitate this are archaic and based on times when women had to be cared for by a man and relied on him for all finances. THose days are long gone.

purplenuts said:

With the marriage laws being such as they are, I dont know why any man would actually get married - let alone a legendary one who is as rich, talented, and famous as Prince. If a business partnership offered the exposure in termination that a marriage partnership does, the average intelligent man would never sign it. In as far as they are enforceable, prenuptial agreements of some sort should be mandatory if one feels the irresistable urge to wed.

There is nothing fair about women walking away with buckets of a rock star's money after a few years of marriage. Paul McCartney was fleeced by his money grubbng ex-wife. The laws that facilitate this are archaic and based on times when women had to be cared for by a man and relied on him for all finances. THose days are long gone.

I see what your saying but I think with Prince being a JW he didn't want to "live in sin" and of course he wants to have sex (which he's not suppossed to do out of marriage with his faith) so of course he married her. That brings up an interesting question, someone should post the question "Is Prince having sex?" because I do wonder but I won't post it as the bullies on here would rip me to shreds for asking but I do wonder.

PenelopePaige said:

purplenuts said:

With the marriage laws being such as they are, I dont know why any man would actually get married - let alone a legendary one who is as rich, talented, and famous as Prince. If a business partnership offered the exposure in termination that a marriage partnership does, the average intelligent man would never sign it. In as far as they are enforceable, prenuptial agreements of some sort should be mandatory if one feels the irresistable urge to wed.

There is nothing fair about women walking away with buckets of a rock star's money after a few years of marriage. Paul McCartney was fleeced by his money grubbng ex-wife. The laws that facilitate this are archaic and based on times when women had to be cared for by a man and relied on him for all finances. THose days are long gone.

I see what your saying but I think with Prince being a JW he didn't want to "live in sin" and of course he wants to have sex (which he's not suppossed to do out of marriage with his faith) so of course he married her. That brings up an interesting question, someone should post the question "Is Prince having sex?" because I do wonder but I won't post it as the bullies on here would rip me to shreds for asking but I do wonder.

Ah screw it, I'll ask!

PenelopePaige said:

PenelopePaige said:

I see what your saying but I think with Prince being a JW he didn't want to "live in sin" and of course he wants to have sex (which he's not suppossed to do out of marriage with his faith) so of course he married her. That brings up an interesting question, someone should post the question "Is Prince having sex?" because I do wonder but I won't post it as the bullies on here would rip me to shreds for asking but I do wonder.

Ah screw it, I'll ask!

^

Just got back from lurking on your new thread.

Well, that didn't take very long did it?

prodigalfan said:

^

Just got back from lurking on your new thread.

Well, that didn't take very long did it?

haha, yeah that took no time at all! And I thought I asked it respectively, so whatever.....

You know people do wonder that so I don't think it's wrong that I would ask. I mean if he's sincerely following religious rules he wouldn't have sex outside of marriage although I can't very well see Prince abstaining..... Oh well, seems you can't ask anything on the Org outside of the box, I guess I'll stick to safe topics like, If Purple Rain is better than Under the Cherry Moon?

prodigalfan said:

PurpleChi said:

Wasn't Mani in the "Come On" video? Wasn't she the girl that Prince was trying to talk to (dressed as an old man) at the end when he's like, "Why don't u take an old man with u?" And she was like, "I don't like old men." I guess he really did have the butter for her muffin.

Yes you are correct.

Boy, has she changed since THAT video! In that video she couldn't have been more dressed (covered) she was so subdued, now that she's been with Prince and got hold of that $ she's a confident sexy gal! What a transformation! :0