MikeyB71 said:

MikeyB71 said:

Yes, I just double checked the info I have, and this is definitely the date given for this recording session.

Wow. I checked and checked again, it was prince and Eric Leeds who recorded the track, NOT Sheila e. Thanks for pointing that out Efan. I have also now checked the entire thread for any typing errors I may have made. All is well, thank you, and I do apologize.

That makes the band moniker Brass Monkey fit a little better. I wonder if there's anymore info on this page of the Purple History Book...

motherfunka said:

Efan said:

I'm glad I helped in any way.

It just caught my eye because that period of Sheila's recording career is interesting to me. Once she and Prince went their separate ways (for a time), Sheila apparently still lived in Minneapolis, so I guess it's not impossible, but it seemed unlikely. Thanks for the answer!

Sheila was at the Arsenio Hall show when Prince was on promoting D&P in late 91. If they were estranged, I find it odd that she would go there in person.

True, but notice how she did not want to stand up when Patti LaBelle was talking to her?

Don't get me wrong; I have no idea how much of a falling out they had or even if they really had one. The story goes that Prince got into a fight with Gilbert Davison and wanted Sheila to choose sides, which she wouldn't do, and that caused the rift. But that's just what I've heard around here.

Efan said:

motherfunka said:

Sheila was at the Arsenio Hall show when Prince was on promoting D&P in late 91. If they were estranged, I find it odd that she would go there in person.

True, but notice how she did not want to stand up when Patti LaBelle was talking to her?

Don't get me wrong; I have no idea how much of a falling out they had or even if they really had one. The story goes that Prince got into a fight with Gilbert Davison and wanted Sheila to choose sides, which she wouldn't do, and that caused the rift. But that's just what I've heard around here.

I did notice that, but I think that she was just being coy.

The showdown between Gilbert and Prince did happen, but that was the summer of 94 and involved the ownership of Glam Slam. When it was all said and done, employees of Paisley Park were sent packing and Gilbert owned it, and renamed it The Quest. Sheila did still frequent the club.

squirrelgrease said:

It's also interesting to me that Prince was able to release both 8 and 16 in 1987, with little fanfare and no publicity surrounding his involvement. Given that he wasn't able to release a triple album that same year but instead had to reduce it to a double, the fact that he was able to release these two albums is kind of bizarre, in a way. Then considering there were some protegee releases that year as well, it speaks to how incredibly prolific he was that year (granted, I know Jill Jones' album had been recorded earlier, but still).

Efan said:

If he was serious about keeping his involvement in Madhouse a secret, Prince shouldn't have released them on Paisley Park. That's like mostly a dead give-away.

scififilmnerd said:

Efan said:

motherfunka said:

Sheila was at the Arsenio Hall show when Prince was on promoting D&P in late 91. If they were estranged, I find it odd that she would go there in person.

True, but notice how she did not want to stand up when Patti LaBelle was talking to her?

Don't get me wrong; I have no idea how much of a falling out they had or even if they really had one. The story goes that Prince got into a fight with Gilbert Davison and wanted Sheila to choose sides, which she wouldn't do, and that caused the rift. But that's just what I've heard around here.

Yeah,Sheila and Prince went through some drama in the mid-90s.It started when Prince and his best friend/business partner Gilbert Davison had a bitter falling out.They co-owned the Glam Slam nightclub together but when they stopped being friends,Prince removed all of his memorabilia from the club and Gilbert became the sole owner.Gilbert was friends with Sheila E. and he planned for her to perform there.This did NOT sit well with Prince.Sheila was caught in the middle of their bitter feud.In a 1995 Internet chat session,she revealed that she was "no longer allowed at Paisley Park,but I still love him" They have since worked out their differences,but this incident shows you how childish and unreasonable Prince can be when he doesn't get his way.

Super interesting thread! Thanks to all!

I absolutely love 6, it just has a feel to it that is very expressive. Leeds has an incredible sound and to me his input was absolutely vital to Madhouse, but from his statements, i for one do not share his particular taste in music lol.

I love 6. Like 16. Like the first version of 24. Hate the second version of 24, and feel absolutely nothing for Times squared and Things Left Unsaid, just to plain white bread for my tastes.

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Fantastic rehearsal recording from the Dec '91 sessions.

MikeyB71 said:

Efan said:

It's also interesting to me that Prince was able to release both 8 and 16 in 1987, with little fanfare and no publicity surrounding his involvement. Given that he wasn't able to release a triple album that same year but instead had to reduce it to a double, the fact that he was able to release these two albums is kind of bizarre, in a way. Then considering there were some protegee releases that year as well, it speaks to how incredibly prolific he was that year (granted, I know Jill Jones' album had been recorded earlier, but still).

His output in 87 was very impressive, but I don't think that 87 was his most prolific year, but even so. As for Madhouse, I cannot remember the albums being released in 87, (i know they were) but I seem to remember hearing of them for the first time around Lovesexy (88-89). I guess I was slow off the mark. Lol.

I could have sworn the single for "6" was actually released in the fall of 86. I remember borrowing the 12 inch and Teena Marie's "Emerald City" album from my cousin in LA, and Im pretty sure that visit was in Sept or Oct of 86.

6 got major airplay on black stations in SoCal. Along with Herb Alpert's instrumental from 86 (sorry, dont remember the name) and Kenny G, I couldnt believe instrumental music was actually kinda mainstream at the time. May be why WB allowed 16 to come out so quickly.

And BET played the 10 and 13 videos pretty consistently too.

One of my all time fav Prince productions, 8 and 16 are the CDs I give to folks who argue that Michael Jackson is better than Prince. They may not dig jazz, but after listening, they usually understand the difference between an artist and an entertainer.

StonedImmaculate said:

MikeyB71 said:

Efan said: His output in 87 was very impressive, but I don't think that 87 was his most prolific year, but even so. As for Madhouse, I cannot remember the albums being released in 87, (i know they were) but I seem to remember hearing of them for the first time around Lovesexy (88-89). I guess I was slow off the mark. Lol.

I could have sworn the single for "6" was actually released in the fall of 86. I remember borrowing the 12 inch and Teena Marie's "Emerald City" album from my cousin in LA, and Im pretty sure that visit was in Sept or Oct of 86.

6 got major airplay on black stations in SoCal. Along with Herb Alpert's instrumental from 86 (sorry, dont remember the name) and Kenny G, I couldnt believe instrumental music was actually kinda mainstream at the time. May be why WB allowed 16 to come out so quickly.

And BET played the 10 and 13 videos pretty consistently too.

One of my all time fav Prince productions, 8 and 16 are the CDs I give to folks who argue that Michael Jackson is better than Prince. They may not dig jazz, but after listening, they usually understand the difference between an artist and an entertainer.

It probably was, the lead single was usually released ahead of the album.

Check out Tony M in this first video...haha.

thanks for that thread and the info. Madhouse is most likely my favourite side project

BombSquad said:

Hi, I'm a bad person and never got round to buying these when they were out (I think I could only find albums and I didn't have a record player - only a cassette player - poor student ) but I really wished that I had just bought them anyway. How can get to listen to all the music from Madhouse now ? Thanks

MikeyB71 said:

Check out Tony M in this first video...haha.

Tony along with Damon and Kirk are in both videos. I think I remember these getting shown before the Gold tour concerts.

MikeyB71 said:

squirrelgrease said:

Best pair of boobs to ever grace an album cover.

And, Prince met her at age 16. How many times have we heard that? Maneca Lightner, Anna Garcia, Mayte Garcia, Tamar Davis, Bria Valente, etc... Does Prince hang out at high school cheerleading practices?

And look how each of those relationships ended, maybe he should have tried to find someone nearer his own age. Mind you, older girls might not be so easy to manipulate.

Susan Moonsie Vanity & Susannah Melvoin, after that they were all youngins

Efan said:

MikeyB71 said:

MikeyB71 said: Wow. I checked and checked again, it was prince and Eric Leeds who recorded the track, NOT Sheila e. Thanks for pointing that out Efan. I have also now checked the entire thread for any typing errors I may have made. All is well, thank you, and I do apologize.

I'm glad I helped in any way.

It just caught my eye because that period of Sheila's recording career is interesting to me. Once she and Prince went their separate ways (for a time), Sheila apparently still lived in Minneapolis, so I guess it's not impossible, but it seemed unlikely. Thanks for the answer!

She still had some kinda dealing with Prince after Lovesexy

There is was an all female 'protege' band with Robin Powers going into GB, their style of dress was similar to Cats during Lovesexy and the ladies were interviewed and mentioned that during one of their rehearsals Sheila E and a friend dropped by the studio to listen in.

MikeyB71 said:

Part of an interview with Eric leeds regarding Madhouse 16.

TLM: You did a second Madhouse album, 16.

EL: I really liked it except for two songs [Eric would rather not say what they are!]. That was a much more organic album. That came up from spontaneous sessions with Prince, myself, Sheila E and Prince’s bass player at the time, Levi Seacer. The four of us went into the studio over two or three days and just played and everything on the second Madhouse album came from those sessions. In fact, several songs that were one my first album (Times Squared) came from those sessions – “Andorra,” “Night Owl” “Overnight, Everynight, “ and “Kenya”. I made songs out of them with a whole lot of post-production work and a lot of chopping and editing and a lot of studio whizz-bang, but the basic tracks came from those sessions. 16 was more of straight-up, funk, R ‘n’ B album. I just thought that the music was better realised; it was more cohesive album. Unfortunately it wasn’t that successful.

"That was a much more organic album. That came up from spontaneous sessions with Prince, myself, Sheila E and Prince’s bass player at the time, Levi Seacer. The four of us went into the studio over two or three days and just played and everything on the second Madhouse album came from those sessions." - That could be why "8" is a better liked album than "16" . I dig "16" and I understand why Eric would say he liked that recording process better....however "16" got "kooky" in some spots. P's use of certain keyboard sounds made me cringe then and now. Had P probably recorded some stuff 1st and then have the others "execute" what he had done then "16" may have faired better.

MikeyB71 said:

26th June 1988.

Prince and Sheila E record four instrumental tracks intended for a new Madhouse album.

The tracks were recorded in one day at Paisley Park. Three of the tracks have never been released, one of the tracks was turned into Cape Horn for Eric leeds' Times Squared album.

5th December 1988.

Prince starts work on the third Madhouse album entitled 24 at Paisley Park. From Dec 5th to the 15th, he completed The Dopanine Rush Suite which he had started in London during the Lovesexy tour.

He also taped four new instrumentals, 17(Penetration), 18(Are U Legal Yet?), 19(Jailbait), and 20(A Girl And Her Puppy).

Prince recorded everything himself with only Eric Leeds adding sax and flute. Prince also contacted french actress and singer Mathilda May to add some lines in French, he had met her while on the Lovesexy tour.

Mid December 1988.

Prince makes a rough mix of the Madhouse 24 album, more mixing was done in late December.

The album was due to be released in spring 1989 but Prince lost interest in the album and it was shelved. It was never released.

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Part of an interview with Eric Leeds regarding Madhouse 24.

TLM: Why was the planned 24 album such a troubled project?

EL: Prince did all the tracks himself and I think he started doing some of them when we were on the road doing the Lovesexy tour. When we were in Europe on the road in 1988 and there were a few off days, Prince would always go to London and work in the studio and I think some of the tracks came from those sessions. He called me into the studio after we got off the road – around December 1988 - and he had all the tracks done. I think I did all the horn parts in two days and he was with me for all the sessions. So we did the album and he did the mix on it and gave me a copy. I don’t recall what timetable he had in mind, but at that time, the relationship he had with Warners had started to turn [deteriorate] and things like Madhouse were hardly a priority for Warner Brothers. I think they were desperately trying to get Paisley Park records going as a viable label. If Prince had really wanted it released, it would have gotten released.

There's a dope youtube clip of Miles Davis' last band playing "17(penetration)" live!

MikeyB71 said:

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Fantastic rehearsal recording from the Dec '91 sessions.

Dayum...only "4" and "6" from the 1st album!!!!! "1", "2" and "7" would've sounded dope live!