NouveauDance said:

Dsoul said:

Was he a bottom, top or versatile?

Total power bottom. Notice how eager he was to mount that big ol' stauros.

Even the big old pole of torture would be nothing on the endless pumelling his twelve disciples were dishing out then.

Mel Gibson focussed on all the wrong scenes. Stauros... someone lied about what made little baby jesus cry.

Ottensen said:

motherfunka said:

Out of curiosity...what is the homosexual lifestyle like. other than the obvious sexual part? How does it differ from that of a hetero?

I am one of the few Christians out there who disagree that homosexuality is a lifestyle. To hear that makes me nuts. At the end of the day it all comes down to love. To me,personally, the Bible is a Life 101 book to guide me while I traverse my road next to God and Jesus...considering homosexuality is mentioned 6 times in comparison to LOVE's 600, I'm personally going to go with LOVE being the overriding intended messag of The Gospel, thanks.

I'm anti-whore....(although Jesus befriended a prostitute so I have to re-examine that every now and then) but..

I'm pro committed relationship, therefore I feel that everyone in the LGBT community needs to be shackled up just like the heteros: GET OUT THE CLUBS; FIND A NICE BOY OR GIRL, GET A HOUSE A PLAN FOR YOUR FUTURE TOGETHER AND MUTAL PURPOSE ON THIS EARTH, AND SETTLE YOUR ASS DOWN...

As for those who are already doing that, I commend you. You can't be out there dancing to Somebody Else's Guy and It's Raining Men Forever . That mess gets old for everybody, regardless of sexual orientation

Couldn't of said it better myself!

kimrachell said:

i tried to listen to the whole thing, but i could only go so far.

Oh, you should've kept listening! The second half of the interview she starts flying off the handle and going off on callers - it was hilarious! One girl sounded like she was getting ready to cry because Denise was jumping down her throat telling her that she was slandering someone in the bible for having her information wrong.

I just got finished listening to the Denise Matthews "Vanity" interview.

IMO, I do not feel she was personally attacking homosexuals because

she clearly stated that both homosexuals and heterosexuals can live

in sin. Though I did not agree with everything Mrs. Matthews said I

do agree about what she said about using discretion with who you

chose to sleep with no matter what your sexual orientation. I have

noticed she doesn't seem very receptive and completely dominated

the whole entire interview since she feels that she has more to teach

than to learn, like another well known entertainer who will remain nameless.

DarlingNikki1025 said:

I just got finished listening to the Denise Matthews "Vanity" interview.

IMO, I do not feel she was personally attacking homosexuals because

she clearly stated that both homosexuals and heterosexuals can live

in sin. Though I did not agree with everything Mrs. Matthews said I

do agree about what she said about using discretion with who you

chose to sleep with no matter what your sexual orientation. I have

noticed she doesn't seem very receptive and completely dominated

the whole entire interview since she feels that she has more to teach

than to learn, like another well known entertainer who will remain nameless.

Nobody said she was attacking homosexuals, but it was quite obvious by her tone and her careful choice of words and tip-toeing around that she thinks it's wrong (and that's fine, it's her opinion). But she bascially said if you're gay you shouldn't be sleeping with anyone and said only husband and wife can sleep together, so we know where she was headed. She should have just come right out and said what she truly feels and skipped all the sugarcoating. And when asked about her gay fans, she basically didn't sound pleased and said if you're a fan, you're a fanatic, and there's no idolatry in heaven and if you're gonna be a fan of someone it can only be God and blah blah blah as if she was trying to dismiss it like she didn't really want gay fans. But that's OK Denise, I doubt you have many (if any) gay fans anyway, only Vanity does.

squirrelgrease said:

Her mind is closed for business. Just like her gray, dust covered vagina.

I LOVE THIS INTERVIEW! Best one I've heard from her!

Denise is not crazy for not fully embracing homosexuality with open arms. She is also not crazy for having a belief in any kind of diety. She has chosen a way of life for herself that motivates her and that's how it is for her. Just as many people don't accept religion and it has become the "in" thing to be athiest, there are also those who are strictly "bible thumpers" like Miss Matthews and believe the way they do. Its all a part of different walks of life. It seems she has chosen a lifestyle that is very restrictive for her because she may feel she needs discipline and the best form for her is in the church. In turn, she seems to be detremined to find that same discipline that worked for her and lead them to it. She's not calling for the heads of gays; as a matter of fact, she seems just as much against sex outside of marriage (if not more so) than she is active homosexuality. She said "straight or gay, sex outside of marriage is a sin", so if that's the type of discipline she believes in then maybe that's what works for her and what she believes might work for others. SHe believes God saved her life. Her behavior is exactly what one would expect of someone who feels eternally grateful for saving their life.

BlaqueKnight said:

Denise is not crazy for not fully embracing homosexuality with open arms. She is also not crazy for having a belief in any kind of diety. She has chosen a way of life for herself that motivates her and that's how it is for her. Just as many people don't accept religion and it has become the "in" thing to be athiest, there are also those who are strictly "bible thumpers" like Miss Matthews and believe the way they do. Its all a part of different walks of life. It seems she has chosen a lifestyle that is very restrictive for her because she may feel she needs discipline and the best form for her is in the church. In turn, she seems to be detremined to find that same discipline that worked for her and lead them to it. She's not calling for the heads of gays; as a matter of fact, she seems just as much against sex outside of marriage (if not more so) than she is active homosexuality. She said "straight or gay, sex outside of marriage is a sin", so if that's the type of discipline she believes in then maybe that's what works for her and what she believes might work for others. SHe believes God saved her life. Her behavior is exactly what one would expect of someone who feels eternally grateful for saving their life.

Well put.

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who, while demanding not just tolerance, but out-and-out acceptance of their own beliefs, are so intolerant of others.

Ottensen said:

motherfunka said:

Out of curiosity...what is the homosexual lifestyle like. other than the obvious sexual part? How does it differ from that of a hetero?

I am one of the few Christians out there who disagree that homosexuality is a lifestyle. To hear that makes me nuts. At the end of the day it all comes down to love. To me,personally, the Bible is a Life 101 book to guide me while I traverse my road next to God and Jesus...considering homosexuality is mentioned 6 times in comparison to LOVE's 600, I'm personally going to go with LOVE being the overriding intended messag of The Gospel, thanks.

I'm anti-whore....(although Jesus befriended a prostitute so I have to re-examine that every now and then) but..

I'm pro committed relationship, therefore I feel that everyone in the LGBT community needs to be shackled up just like the heteros: GET OUT THE CLUBS; FIND A NICE BOY OR GIRL, GET A HOUSE A PLAN FOR YOUR FUTURE TOGETHER AND MUTAL PURPOSE ON THIS EARTH, AND SETTLE YOUR ASS DOWN...

As for those who are already doing that, I commend you. You can't be out there dancing to Somebody Else's Guy and It's Raining Men Forever . That mess gets old for everybody, regardless of sexual orientation

[Edited 8/23/10 12:04pm]

Genesia said:

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who, while demanding not just tolerance, but out-and-out acceptance of their own beliefs, are so intolerant of others.

No one has to "tollerate" homosexuality - "acceptance" is unnecessary. Homosexuals don't need the permission of heterosexuals to exist

Homosexuality is not a belief. Imagining you have an intimate connection with an invisible, intergalactic magical super hero is a belief.

We tollerate others' personal beliefs because they are none of our business, that is until people start shooting their mouths off telling other people how to live their lives, then they open themselves up to criticism of their beliefs - especially if they are as ridiculous as Denise's.

NouveauDance said:

Genesia said:

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who, while demanding not just tolerance, but out-and-out acceptance of their own beliefs, are so intolerant of others.

No one has to "tollerate" homosexuality - "acceptance" is unnecessary. Homosexuals don't need the permission of heterosexuals to exist

Homosexuality is not a belief. Imagining you have an intimate connection with an invisible, intergalactic magical super hero is a belief.

We tollerate others' personal beliefs because they are none of our business, that is until people start shooting their mouths off telling other people how to live their lives, then they open themselves up to criticism of their beliefs - especially if they are as ridiculous as Denise's.

I didn't say homosexuality is a belief (or a belief system), so please do not twist my words. Obviously, homosexuals exist.

BlaqueKnight said:

Denise is not crazy for not fully embracing homosexuality with open arms. She is also not crazy for having a belief in any kind of diety. She has chosen a way of life for herself that motivates her and that's how it is for her. Just as many people don't accept religion and it has become the "in" thing to be athiest, there are also those who are strictly "bible thumpers" like Miss Matthews and believe the way they do. Its all a part of different walks of life. It seems she has chosen a lifestyle that is very restrictive for her because she may feel she needs discipline and the best form for her is in the church. In turn, she seems to be detremined to find that same discipline that worked for her and lead them to it. She's not calling for the heads of gays; as a matter of fact, she seems just as much against sex outside of marriage (if not more so) than she is active homosexuality. She said "straight or gay, sex outside of marriage is a sin", so if that's the type of discipline she believes in then maybe that's what works for her and what she believes might work for others. SHe believes God saved her life. Her behavior is exactly what one would expect of someone who feels eternally grateful for saving their life.

Telling a homosexual not to have sex outside of marriage and then also denying them the right to marry is as near to an outright damnation as can be. There's also a double standard in that more disgusted focus is put on homosexual fornication than heterosexual.

Vanity was obsessed with sex and so is Denise Matthews, her evangelicism seems to focus on little else.

NouveauDance said:

Genesia said:

I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who, while demanding not just tolerance, but out-and-out acceptance of their own beliefs, are so intolerant of others.

No one has to "tollerate" homosexuality - "acceptance" is unnecessary. Homosexuals don't need the permission of heterosexuals to exist

Homosexuality is not a belief. Imagining you have an intimate connection with an invisible, intergalactic magical super hero is a belief.

We tollerate others' personal beliefs because they are none of our business, that is until people start shooting their mouths off telling other people how to live their lives, then they open themselves up to criticism of their beliefs - especially if they are as ridiculous as Denise's.

Replace the word homosexuality with anything, including rape, murder, child molestation, etc.

I can't say I'm interested in reading her book because, given her current mindset, I have a strong feeling that it will be preachy and I have no interest in being preached to. Unlike some, however, I'm not opposed to hearing what she has to say, regardless of my own personal opinions. From my experience, homo-naziism is just as offensive as religious fanaticism.

Dsoul said:

Telling a homosexual not to have sex outside of marriage and then also denying them the right to marry is as near to an outright damnation as can be. There's also a double standard in that more disgusted focus is put on homosexual fornication than heterosexual.

Vanity was obsessed with sex and so is Denise Matthews, her evangelicism seems to focus on little else.

Well, when you are dealing with a set of religious scriptures that condemn the act of homosexuality, why would one want to restrict themselves to them if they also fall into that category unless they were trying to rid themselves of the behavioral traits?

I wouldn't say that Denise's evangelicism focus only on sex, but I believe that because sex was part of her personal obstacles, she often refers to it. She was known for being a sex symbol. I think she uses that as her platform to tell her story to the world.

BlaqueKnight said:

Dsoul said:

Telling a homosexual not to have sex outside of marriage and then also denying them the right to marry is as near to an outright damnation as can be. There's also a double standard in that more disgusted focus is put on homosexual fornication than heterosexual.

Vanity was obsessed with sex and so is Denise Matthews, her evangelicism seems to focus on little else.

Well, when you are dealing with a set of religious scriptures that condemn the act of homosexuality, why would one want to restrict themselves to them if they also fall into that category unless they were trying to rid themselves of the behavioral traits?

This is part of my reason for my strong support of full civil union partnership rights. Marriage has and probably always will have a large degree of religion tied to it. I believe people who are trying to change it will fail. Civil unions do not. If you can have the legal benefits of a marriage without the necessity of bringing the church into the equation, then why not take it? They are all social constructs, anyway. Why not subscribe to ones that benefit your personal experiences the most? Seeing as how I'm a hetero male, this is a non-issue for me but I just thought I'd share my opinion on the subject.

I wouldn't say that Denise's evangelicism focus only on sex, but I believe that because sex was part of her personal obstacles, she often refers to it. She was known for being a sex symbol. I think she uses that as her platform to tell her story to the world.

I do agree with you that a practicing homosexual trying to eek out some christian belief is certainly odd and smacks of self hatred in many ways. Any right thinking person wouldn't have anything to fear in Vanity's ramblings. So while offence may not be justified its certainly fair game to listen and criticise the stuff she puts into the public domain. Only Prince fans will even tend to be tuning in.

treniselove said:

Ottensen said:

I am one of the few Christians out there who disagree that homosexuality is a lifestyle. To hear that makes me nuts. At the end of the day it all comes down to love. To me,personally, the Bible is a Life 101 book to guide me while I traverse my road next to God and Jesus...considering homosexuality is mentioned 6 times in comparison to LOVE's 600, I'm personally going to go with LOVE being the overriding intended messag of The Gospel, thanks.

I'm anti-whore....(although Jesus befriended a prostitute so I have to re-examine that every now and then) but..

I'm pro committed relationship, therefore I feel that everyone in the LGBT community needs to be shackled up just like the heteros: GET OUT THE CLUBS; FIND A NICE BOY OR GIRL, GET A HOUSE A PLAN FOR YOUR FUTURE TOGETHER AND MUTAL PURPOSE ON THIS EARTH, AND SETTLE YOUR ASS DOWN...

As for those who are already doing that, I commend you. You can't be out there dancing to Somebody Else's Guy and It's Raining Men Forever . That mess gets old for everybody, regardless of sexual orientation

[Edited 8/23/10 12:04pm]

This is where the problem is. If you are pro committed relationship, then be in one. Why do you feel the need to preach at other people to do the same? Although it seems like about 1/2 marriages end in divorce anyway. We won't even go there with all the fatherless children in this world. I guess I've been fortunate, in that I have never felt the need to be concerned if other people accept me or not. You do you, and I'll do me!

Religions and their bullshit, outdated, irrelevant, pointless, fake, ignorant fairy-stories and beliefs can suck my hairy fat cock.

NouveauDance said:

We tollerate others' personal beliefs because they are none of our business, that is until people start shooting their mouths off telling other people how to live their lives, then they open themselves up to criticism of their beliefs - especially if they are as ridiculous as Denise's.

Exactly. When you throw out your opinion, you have to be ready to get others opinions in return.

Dsoul said:

Telling a homosexual not to have sex outside of marriage and then also denying them the right to marry is as near to an outright damnation as can be. There's also a double standard in that more disgusted focus is put on homosexual fornication than heterosexual.

Vanity was obsessed with sex and so is Denise Matthews, her evangelicism seems to focus on little else.

Ain't that the truth! It's a slap in the face.

You're absolutely right - Denise does seem as obsessed with sex as Vanity was, just with a new viewpoint. It seems that sex and drugs is all she talks about. She needs to get a new schtick.

Jesus had two Dads and he grew up just fine.

What's good enough for Jesus is good enough for me.

BlaqueKnight said:

Dsoul said:

Telling a homosexual not to have sex outside of marriage and then also denying them the right to marry is as near to an outright damnation as can be. There's also a double standard in that more disgusted focus is put on homosexual fornication than heterosexual.

Vanity was obsessed with sex and so is Denise Matthews, her evangelicism seems to focus on little else.

Well, when you are dealing with a set of religious scriptures that condemn the act of homosexuality, why would one want to restrict themselves to them if they also fall into that category unless they were trying to rid themselves of the behavioral traits?

This is part of my reason for my strong support of full civil union partnership rights. Marriage has and probably always will have a large degree of religion tied to it. I believe people who are trying to change it will fail. Civil unions do not. If you can have the legal benefits of a marriage without the necessity of bringing the church into the equation, then why not take it? They are all social constructs, anyway. Why not subscribe to ones that benefit your personal experiences the most? Seeing as how I'm a hetero male, this is a non-issue for me but I just thought I'd share my opinion on the subject.

I wouldn't say that Denise's evangelicism focus only on sex, but I believe that because sex was part of her personal obstacles, she often refers to it. She was known for being a sex symbol. I think she uses that as her platform to tell her story to the world.

brotha you always come on here and make sense of it all!

BlaqueKnight said:

Some would view the act of homosexuality as a "ridiculous behavior" and site that it serves no purpose for the progression of the species of humans, etc.

You mean there's no reproduction from gay sex? Well, what about blowjobs, condoms, the pill, abortion, non-penile/vaginal penetrative sex.... all activities enjoyed by straight people that serve no purpose for the progression of the human species - better strike those off the list too!

BlaqueKnight said:

I can't say I'm interested in reading her book because, given her current mindset, I have a strong feeling that it will be preachy and I have no interest in being preached to. Unlike some, however, I'm not opposed to hearing what she has to say, regardless of my own personal opinions. From my experience, homo-naziism is just as offensive as religious fanaticism.

I agree. The only part of anything she has to say that would be of interest is her life prior to her conversion - and much like Prince, that's the part they're most afraid of unveiling.

As for homo-naziism, personally, I'm usually the last person to stand up for gay issues because personally I don't much care either way - but sometimes that soapbox is just a little too tempting to ignore!

Dsoul said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Denise is not crazy for not fully embracing homosexuality with open arms. She is also not crazy for having a belief in any kind of diety. She has chosen a way of life for herself that motivates her and that's how it is for her. Just as many people don't accept religion and it has become the "in" thing to be athiest, there are also those who are strictly "bible thumpers" like Miss Matthews and believe the way they do. Its all a part of different walks of life. It seems she has chosen a lifestyle that is very restrictive for her because she may feel she needs discipline and the best form for her is in the church. In turn, she seems to be detremined to find that same discipline that worked for her and lead them to it. She's not calling for the heads of gays; as a matter of fact, she seems just as much against sex outside of marriage (if not more so) than she is active homosexuality. She said "straight or gay, sex outside of marriage is a sin", so if that's the type of discipline she believes in then maybe that's what works for her and what she believes might work for others. SHe believes God saved her life. Her behavior is exactly what one would expect of someone who feels eternally grateful for saving their life.

Telling a homosexual not to have sex outside of marriage and then also denying them the right to marry is as near to an outright damnation as can be. There's also a double standard in that more disgusted focus is put on homosexual fornication than heterosexual.

Vanity was obsessed with sex and so is Denise Matthews, her evangelicism seems to focus on little else.

Given the fact that Angels also are not allowed to have sex, and they are a higher spiritual form then humans, I would not equate celebacy with damnation at all. Just because some people are not called to engage in heterosexual marriage does not mean that they are damned, or a lower life form at all. We don't know what God's purpose is for them because few of us ever ask God.

Second, was the focus of all the fornication talks on homosexuals the result of Denise leading the discussion in that direction or was it the result of the interviewer and callers inquiring what Denise thought specifically of homosexual intimate relationships?

It would have been helpful had she outlined the fact that according to all New Testaments God Hates Fornication in all forms. Making that point would have taken her away from being painted as some sort of Anita Bryant of the 21st century.

Militant said:

Religions and their bullshit, outdated, irrelevant, pointless, fake, ignorant fairy-stories and beliefs can suck my hairy fat cock.

SO UNNECESSARY

Wowugotit said:

Militant said:

Religions and their bullshit, outdated, irrelevant, pointless, fake, ignorant fairy-stories and beliefs can suck my hairy fat cock.

SO UNNECESSARY

Don't forget to floss afterwards.

at 8:18 she says in reference to her and Prince (her boss) "of course we fucked and fight, fought about everything"

classic!

ANewMan said:

at 8:18 she says in reference to her and Prince (her boss) "of course we fucked and fight, fought about everything"

classic!

You're hearing things. "FUSSED" not fucked. Come on, now.

I was supposed to be interviewing Denise as well but after thinking things through, I decided not to go through with it. For one thing, I just can't deal with all the "Jesus Talk" and I just wanted a real interview. I am aware that she has been through some things and she has overcome her obstacles but on the cool, it got me to wondering is she trying to convince us that she is so changed or is she trying to convince herself? She sent me the book (via PDF) and I was not impressed with the poetic style and the cursive writing. It's just too much.

landaliustruefield said:

I was supposed to be interviewing Denise as well but after thinking things through, I decided not to go through with it. For one thing, I just can't deal with all the "Jesus Talk" and I just wanted a real interview. I am aware that she has been through some things and she has overcome her obstacles but on the cool, it got me to wondering is she trying to convince us that she is so changed or is she trying to convince herself? She sent me the book (via PDF) and I was not impressed with the poetic style and the cursive writing. It's just too much.

I don't blame you for changing you're mind. After listening to the other radio interviews, I'm amazed at how rude she can be with the interviewers or callers and how she gets SO loud and talks over people. She needs to learn some manners and wait until people are finished speaking to talk and learn to say "excuse me" when she wants to interrupt someone.

So was the book boring IYO?

I don't care. I still wanna make love 2 her!!!

landaliustruefield said:

I was supposed to be interviewing Denise as well but after thinking things through, I decided not to go through with it. For one thing, I just can't deal with all the "Jesus Talk" and I just wanted a real interview. I am aware that she has been through some things and she has overcome her obstacles but on the cool, it got me to wondering is she trying to convince us that she is so changed or is she trying to convince herself? She sent me the book (via PDF) and I was not impressed with the poetic style and the cursive writing. It's just too much.

Sorry, but the notion of wanting to interview a woman who has been in Evangelist for years now without the "Jesus talk" is ludicrous. Its like wanting to interview Stevie Wonder without all of the "music talk" or President Obama without all of the "political talk".

I'm not trying to clown you, I'm just saying that if you know who she is now, you know what you're going to get if you try to interview her, so its unreasonable to expect anything different. She's not going to break out and say "Oh, did I tell you about the time John Stamos, Gene Simmons and I had a three way in the trailer on the set of "Never Too Young To Die?" Yeah, that's the interview we'd ALL like to hear but at this point, we know it ain't EVER gonna happen; so why even try?