Brofie said:

Nonsense.
Prince IS an overblown, egocentric and now self-righteous mess.
If Prince dropped this record, people might actually pay attention to him again. He'd at least win points with the R&B crowd.
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BlaqueKnight said:

How dare u? If U feel that way delete Ur account.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Why?

BlaqueKnight said:

I agree. I wrote that somewhere else too. This is a sound I would like Prince to try on. Mature, urban r&b. Jesse's album isn't flawless, but it is a good piece and Prince hasn't done this kind of r&b in ages, which I think is a pitty.

BlaqueKnight said:

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Wow you just realized P was egocentric and self-rightous where have you been all these years. As far as the RnB crowd where would that have heard this music. RnB radio does not play real RnB music. I never heard anything from Jesse CD or XM or regular radio and if P had put a similar CD you would not have heard it on RnB stations.

P put out really good record just last year and no body RnB or Rock played that either simply because it was an independent record.

BlaqueKnight said:

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Because your fool of crap!

BlaqueKnight said:

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knowing what funk is, since funk has such a rich history LONG before Prince and friends even entered the game and far surpasses anything to ever come out of Prince's repertoire as well.

So none of the stuff P wrote for the Time was funky !!!! Wow I am sorry but the Jesse CD is slow and plodding. He should stick to funk/rock. It only shows him to be a lesser talent to Prince and I do not want to see P doing this type of music.

Zannaloaf said:

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Wow I don't think that P was trying to redo the 80 with MPLS sound. I think he trying to update it. Many people have been screaming for an old mpls sound for years he tries to do it with a different spin and people bitch.

In the meantime the "LoutusFlower side kicks ass and you guys think his carreer is over.

laurarichardson said:

It didn't sound like an update at all to me. It sounded more like a pale imitation. I'm one of those folks who'd rather he NOT try to revisit that but keep moving forward; that's just me.
As far as Lotusflower..his playing killed. The tunes themselves were lacking compared to his best though imo. I felt Jesses tunes are more interesting (the first disc) and have more to say. Again- just me. And frankly that's another thing I never thought I'd say.

laurarichardson said:

Please. Verbal Penetration is miles better than Lotusflow3r and i actually
like P's last disc to an extent. If the title track of VP, Propaganda, 1000
watts of funky,and slo burnin don't move your ass you're lifeless to
begin with.

Whatever varying opinons on the project - one request I make is that you guys actually purchased the album. It's already bad enough you've got this 50/50 thing happening in the music (50 percent of new artists are decent and 50 percent are just wack). They don't make them like Jesse (or any other talents who've been in the business for over 20 years. While we've got them and they produce quality music, please try to support their efforts. The next generation needs to see and know what real musicianship is about.

DJJillMonroe said:

phunkdaddy said:

3 or 4 cuts is not enough. Too many mid-tempo songs and too much spoken word.

Zannaloaf said:

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It was an update and lots of fans on this very board have been screaming for the old sound for years. I guess you just can't please everyone and I think good playing is important but if you got nothing out of the lyrics of "Dreamer" it might be time for you to move on to another artist.

laurarichardson said:

Where in my post did I say that? And you speak as if funk was born in 1982 or something. Funk has a good 10-15 years on Prince. There is a wealth of material from the 70s that define funk. If you don't know this then you don't know jack about funk. And in comparison, YES, Prince was funk lite.

laurarichardson said:

So says the Prince fanbot. I'm sure Prince cares the world about what you'd like to see him doing.

laurarichardson said:

Good playing on a good song is great. I'd rather hear a great track with ok playing over great playing on top of nothing. That's the problem with 90% of contemporary music.
As you pointed out above, one song doesn't do it for me. So two tracks were good on Lotusflower imo. I can't really get behind a whole album for that.
He has albums full of the MPLS stuff and I'll go back to that to hear it done right.

BlaqueKnight said:

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You did not say it. You just did not include it has an example of something "funky that P was involved in.

I actually know a lot about funk and I know P did not invent it. I know he contributed to it but I know you are a jealous ass musician who is never going to give P credit for anything and will not get off this shit.

Funk lite sold records in the crossover market of the 80s and put asses in concert seats. If Prince listened to negros like you he would be out on the chitling circuit with the remains of "ZAPP, Con-Funk shun, Bar-Kays and whatever other funk groups that are still performing. Stop being a crab in a barrel and pulling a brother down because he is funk is not up to your standards.
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"So says the Prince fanbot. I'm sure Prince cares the world about what you'd like to see him doing. [/b][/quote]

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Get the fuck over this "fanbot shit" Stars have fanbases.P is a star who has fans and this is a fan site. Get in touch with fucking reality.

laurarichardson said:

The chitling circuit is where it all started. Groups like Zapp,Confunkshun,
and the BarKays would play anywhere anytime even in their 70's and 80's
heyday. No club or arena was ever to big for their ego. I used to see
Zapp play at a small club in Columbia,SC all the time and make it known
that it doesn't take a lot of people to have a ball and then turn around
a few months later and play at the coliseum on a bill with the BarKays and
Rick James. P was excellent for what he did in the 80's and a massive ego
to boot as in he wouldn't even speak to the press at one time but when his
star started to dim in the 90's and he wasn't selling records anymore all
of a sudden he was a slave and crying about the hip hoppers stealing music.

I didn't buy it either and am very glad I got the chance to hear samples so I wouldn't waste my hard earned money. There's no ass shakers on it so there's no reason for me to buy it.

I've stopped buying new releases from older artists just because they used to make music that I like. If they aren't making something that I actually like, I'm not buying it. It's just that simple. I don't give a damn about them "moving on to another level of their creativity". Hell, that's their problem, not mine. I'm the one doing the buying and it's my money and I don't have to spend it....correction, will not spend it on something unless it's something I like. I'm going to start doing the same thing with Prince also.
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vainandy said:

That's the same reason I stopped buying Prince records.
That's an honest answer, Andy and I commend you on it. You said why YOU aren't interested in the record rather than trying to rattle off JESSE'S so-called shortcomings. I dig the record a lot and think its really good.
My point to some of the others' in this thread was refuting their baseless claims that Jesse somehow made a lesser record. He didn't. He made a DIFFERENT record. Its cool if you weren't feelin' it. Some of the others' on this thread try to make it out to be a shortcoming of Jesse when in fact, its more about personal taste than anything.
I'm curious to see what his live interpretations of these songs would sound like. He might do them one way on record and completely flip them when he does them live.

I love Jesse, and I did buy the album, and I do like it. Well, some of it. I can do without the spoken word stuff and some of the more neo-soul type stuff.

I dig cuts like the title track and "Sheila Rae" the most. But a couple of points - this album would have been way better as a single, coherent disc. There could have been a classic album here that way, instead it's a bit patchy and inconsistent. Secondly, altho I do dig Jesse's new direction, I do understand what folks like muskiediver and minneapolisfunq are saying. Jesse shouldn't abandon his past. He could have easily made a jam that had a sound like Revue or Shockadelica but in a more modern way.

But he chose not to, and while I respect his choice, in that respect it is disappointing for those of us that are big fans of the MPLS sound.

I dig the record, but put it up against his earlier work and there's no comparison.

And while it's nice to see Jesse back, he's nowhere near what Prince is doing anymore. Lotusflow3r/MPLsOUND is one of the strongest sets Prince has done in years.

Militant said:

And I found the Lotusflow3r/MPLsOUND set to be the most boring in years. Mostly cause it all seemed dated. I like some tracks but mostly from Lotus. Jesse sounds more progressive in the production and writing imo. Back in the day I woulda taken Prince over Jesse any say (not to say I didn't enjoy both). At this point I have listened to Jesse (first disc) more than I listened to either of the Princes discs. Of course it could partly because I expect more from Prince, but I can't help that he placed the bar so high at such an early point in his career.

Actually I think the opening for Lotus Flow was one of Prince's best in recent years.

Jesse - sorry I don't like R&B now, as much as I did in the 70's. I guess I already know I am cool and no need to surround myself with cool music. I would have loved to see Jesse do a Bare My Naked Soul II like album. Funny he said in interviews his sound was a more rock sound, does bare my naked soul, then switches to hardcore R&B. His decision, just not one I like and as a fan am disappointed. Glad to hear some like his new album, I look forward to part II, will pass on part I.

Lotusflow, mixed with commercial sounds, and depth. I think for being where Prince is at in his career it's a decent album. The opening was exciting. There are highs and lows. Classic? Almost. Definately interesting.

I really like this album.... it met my expectations

It was worth it just for Merciful

i think it was good/decent album, and i bet my left ass cheek if a new artist had release this album the reviews would be different


however i do like his 80s stuff better