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Ingrid Chavez interview: not cut out for the world of Prince

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TP. Your eponymous album Ingrid Chavez – May 19,1992 (released in 1991, The title is the first anniversary of the date the cover art was photographed) was a revelation and the spoken words, the poetry and the dance-pop tracks were visionary for that time. How did the collaboration with Prince begin?

IC. I ran into Prince at a nightclub in 1987 I think, and we made an instant connection. I was bold enough to tell him that I was a singer-songwriter. I started writing poetry for him and he really liked it. He wanted to see what I would do in the studio on my own so he gave me a day in the studio at Paisley Park. I had no idea what I might do in there but I was up for the challenge. I recorded some very strange pieces. I’ve always loved experimenting with flipping tracks so I had backwards guitar and pitched vocals with layers of harmony. I had the engineer help me record some percussion and then the vocals were a mix of spoken word and singing. I recorded two tracks that day. Both were very strange and the look on his face was priceless. He was intrigued. He made an offer that if I wrote 21 poems that he and I would go into the studio together. Once I had the poems, we went in and he put me on a microphone and set up a keyboard in the control room. He would ask the title of the poem, play around sounds on his keyboard until he found a sound that suited the title and then he would signal for me to start reading. We went through all 21 poems this way. The original performance was completely improvised. Prince and I parted ways shortly after that and I went on to form a band with Richard Werbowenko called Skyfish. I ran into Prince’s brother one day and gave him a copy of the Skyfish record to give to Prince. I came home a few days later and my little apartment was completely filled with white flowers. Prince called and said that he just finished recording Heaven Must Be Near and that it sounded like spring time in Paris. He asked me if I would like to finish the Poetry album.

TP. Tell us about your childhood and your musical education. At what point did you decide to pursue a career in music?

IC. I remember falling in love with David Bowie’s song Fame. I didn’t buy many records as a child but I did buy that single and although I loved Fame it was the B-side, Golden Years that I fell in love with. I started fantasizing about being a singer myself, I suppose. Later I would discover Prince and that was when I decided I would make becoming a singer/songwriter my goal. A few years later I discovered David Sylvian’s music and it heavily influenced my approach to writing lyrics and my songwriting in general. I had no formal musical education. Music was just a calling.

TP. Were you a femme fatale, a tomboy or a geek in high school?

IC. I didn’t really belong in any group in high school. For the most part I would say that I was a bit of an outsider looking in, counting down the days for it all to end.

TP. Most singers and other performers looking to break into the business go to New York, Los Angeles or Tennessee. Why Minnesota?

IC. It was fate and an unfortunate turn of events that would place me in Minneapolis. I was living in Atlanta and I was in a band called China Dance with my partner at the time, Steve Snow. We moved into this old candy factory on the outskirts of the city. It was big enough for us to live, record and rehearse in. A few weeks after moving in, we left for a few hours to take a friend to the airport and when we came back, everything was gone. All of our equipment was stolen. Steve is originally from Minneapolis, so the logical thing to do was to move there and start over. About a year after moving there, Steve and I went our separate ways. The arts and music were thriving in the city back then, so it wasn’t too long before I was on my merry musical way.

TP. Of artists that inspired you, were there any men or women who made a lasting impression on your style or your charismatic presence?

IC. Marlene Dietrich was a great inspiration for me. I loved her style. She was strong and she influenced my love of women wearing men’s clothing. I was also really influenced by the world of Man Ray during his Paris years. That influence shows in the video for Elephant Box and the May 19, 1992 album artwork. I worked with Mathew Rolston on the video because he loved Man Ray as well and he heard me when I said I wanted to bring Man Ray’s photographs to life.

TP. Most artists have beautiful stories to tell behind their songs. Tell us a bit more about your first single, By The Water.

IC. By The Water is a very sensual song. It’s about that moment when you lay yourself open and allow yourself to be vulnerable, that moment when you let someone in and they let you in.

TP. What are favourite moments or anecdotes you would like to share with us from the development of your album A Flutter and Some Words?

IC. Well, I got to spend some wonderful time in Northern Italy. All of the vocals were recorded there over three different sessions. One time we were at a big beautiful retreat space called Shanti House on the countryside in a region called Lunigiana. It borders Tuscany. We set up a recording space in one of the buildings on the property, The Gompa. It was very hot in August and of course, there was no air conditioning, so we would close the windows to record the vocals and then quickly opened them up for playback. It was over 100 degrees outside. At one point it just got too hot to close the windows and we were recording some flexible tubing that Lorenzo found on the property that when swung in circles made a really interesting whistling sound. We were working on the title track, A Flutter And Some Words. Every time we would push record these birds outside the windows would start singing really lovely melodies very loudly. We decided that they should be on the recordings or rather they decided, so we recorded them and they appear in A Flutter Coda.

TP. What inspires you?

IC. Beginnings and endings; snow, the change of seasons. Driving. Andrei Tarkovsky. Sally Mann. Writing a new song.
TP. The video for your single By The Water shows a tender focus. There is an aura of spirituality and romance to it. Has your family life influenced your vision and your art?

IC. My family is my life. Everything revolves around it. Putting music out into the world only works when it’s working in my home life. That’s the beauty of having a place you call home, you can live there and create there. This record was written here where I sit now and the video was filmed on a friend’s property. It’s all close and familiar and unpretentious. There is a romance and spirituality in living and loving your environment.

TP. Why so long between your last release (sixteen years) and now?

IC. I was busy being married and being a mother. My experience of the music business prior to meeting David really put me off it. I was not cut out for that world of Prince. When I was part of that world, way too many things were asked of me that I did not feel comfortable with. I threw myself into domesticity and closed the door to that part of my life. I was content for a while to live vicariously through David’s career. When our marriage fell apart, I obviously could no longer live through him so, I had to make some choices for myself, to start over with some entirely new path or pick up where I had left off before getting married. Music is all I really know, so I began my journey back and in so doing realized that there is nothing more fulfilling or gratifying then completing a song.

TP. Have you devised a routine or work method when you write your poetry or the lyrics to a song?

IC. I don’t have a method of work. I write when I feel like it. I write when I have something that needs to be said. I am not good at adhering to routine. I wish that I was, I admire people who do.

TP. Are there special things you do to make everyone around you feel at ease during a recording session or a live performance?

IC. There is nothing in particular that I do. I have very calming energy and that goes a long way in a studio environment.

TP. Do you miss special moments from the beginning of your career?

IC. I feel like I am there again in a way. I have a lot of creative energy flowing and everything is new in the way that I am working and trying to get this album out into the world. Meeting Prince was really magical and the whole experience of making the album and the movie was like a fairy-tale. I would never wish to turn back the pages because life continues to be magical and full of wonder for me.

TP. How did you meet Richard Werbowenko?

IC. I met Richard through a friend in Minneapolis He used to wear his hair in what looked like a big dandelion. I liked him from the moment I first met him. It wasn’t long before we formed our band Skyfish and started recording and performing.

TP. Did your collaborations with David Sylvian and Richard Werbowenko in the album Little Girls With 99 Lives and in Ryuichi Sakamoto’s Heartbeat influence your current album?

IC. Well, as they say, we are the sum of all of our parts and that music and time in my life is a part of me. I am constantly challenging myself musically and lyrically so in that sense, everything that came before now is an influence.

TP. Tell us about the band Ova and Tommy Roberts. What brought you together?

IC. Tommy Roberts used to own a recording studio in Minneapolis called The Underground. I was in a band called Skyfish with Richard Werbowenko back then and we did some recording at Tommy’s studio. Skyfish broke up and I went on to work with Prince and then I married David. I was pretty much out of the music scene altogether when Tommy showed up out of the blue at my door asking me if I would be interested in being in a band with him and Josh Holland. I wasn’t sure about it, but after giving it some thought I joined. We named the band Ova. I really loved the music we made. Tommy (who goes by the name Zachary Vex now) is a guitar pedal designer and so there was a lot of great guitar throughout the songs. My soft voice with this heavy guitar and beat-based music was a nice mixture.

TP. Lorenzo Scopelliti, Alessandro Mazzitelli, El Perdido (Frank Verdeja, who designed the album’s cover artwork) and Marzio Mirabella came into your world and the synergies between you and these artists bring us a much-anticipated new album and films to accompany the music. Are you bringing your fans closer into your life, sharing your previous experiences through the songs or are you looking to explore musically and visually a new reality to share with them as you evolve? Is this a beautiful intersection between your past and your future?

IC. Not being signed to a label has given me a lot of freedom to be as prolific and creative as I can and want to be. It is wonderful to work with artists who are not in it for the money, but are in it because they believe in what you are doing and they want to be a part of that creative energy. I love people who are generous with their creative energy. I want to keep growing as an artist and keep challenging myself. As long as I keep evolving as a person there will be songs to write. This current album is very different from my Paisley Park album, Little Girl With 99 Lives, Skyfish and Ova but that is the beauty of constantly evolving as a person, your art is bound to evolve as well.
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Reply #1 posted 04/05/10 1:18pm

Efan

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This was an interesting read.

The "Prince's brother" part confused me. Prince has a half-brother, right? I didn't realize they were tight (or at least as tight as the interview implies).
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Reply #2 posted 04/06/10 2:21am

Virgo

Must have been his half-brother Duane, who served as Prince's bodyguard at the time
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Reply #3 posted 04/06/10 7:06am

sosgemini

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So, is her new album worth a purchase? I loved her debut.
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Reply #4 posted 04/06/10 2:22pm

BlaqueKnight

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Reply #5 posted 04/06/10 3:56pm

NouveauDance

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Thanks for posting. biggrin

I was initially excited for the latest album, especially after hearing the lead single, but was very disappointed when I heard the whole thing and completely lost interest. Remixes might peak my interest, but good ones, the By The Water ones are lacklustre.
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Reply #6 posted 04/06/10 4:39pm

Brofie

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BlaqueKnight said:


really
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Reply #7 posted 04/06/10 5:10pm

BlaqueKnight

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Brofie said:

BlaqueKnight said:


really

She's boring as hell.
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Reply #8 posted 04/06/10 7:43pm

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Efan said:

This was an interesting read.

The "Prince's brother" part confused me. Prince has a half-brother, right? I didn't realize they were tight (or at least as tight as the interview implies).


Duane worked for Prince as a bodyguard from around 1988 to 1993. He then ran the NPG store in Minneapolis.
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Reply #9 posted 04/06/10 10:12pm

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Good read. Thank you for posting.
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Reply #10 posted 04/06/10 10:34pm

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motherfunka said:

Efan said:

This was an interesting read.

The "Prince's brother" part confused me. Prince has a half-brother, right? I didn't realize they were tight (or at least as tight as the interview implies).


Duane worked for Prince as a bodyguard from around 1988 to 1993. He then ran the NPG store in Minneapolis.


He then went on to run Paisley Park International and was Prince's hairstylist, camel coach and personal accountant. lol
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Reply #11 posted 04/07/10 10:45am

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Prince, Lenny Kravitz, David Sylvian.... never really put together what a starfucker she is until now.
"does my cock look fat in these jeans?"
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Reply #12 posted 04/07/10 11:38am

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BlaqueKnight said:

Brofie said:


really

She's boring as hell.

It's nice 2 be cute. (as she was back in the day)
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Reply #13 posted 04/07/10 3:43pm

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Graycap23 said:

BlaqueKnight said:


She's boring as hell.

It's nice 2 be cute. (as she was back in the day)

She is the musical equivalent of watching paint dry.
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Reply #14 posted 04/07/10 4:43pm

vitriol

Interesting read.

Boring, talentless 'artist'.

I still can't believe two of my most favourite artists (Prince and Sylvian) had any interest in her.

And just to think she might've been directly involved in the cancellation of the Black Album makes me wanna kill her.
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Reply #15 posted 04/07/10 10:24pm

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Well, I wouldn't call her talentless. Her writings are not to my own personal tastes but if you're into that neo-hippie, post-modern naturalist stuff, then she's on point.
All I can say is homegirl must really know how to throw down in the sack.
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Reply #16 posted 04/07/10 10:43pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

Well, I wouldn't call her talentless.


Agreed. After all, it must take something for Madonna to sill yo ish and sell millions.
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Reply #17 posted 04/07/10 10:46pm

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sosgemini said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Well, I wouldn't call her talentless.


Agreed. After all, it must take something for Madonna to sill yo ish and sell millions.

She still boring as hell, tho. I stand by that.

...corny ass poet...
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Reply #18 posted 04/07/10 10:48pm

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sosgemini said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Well, I wouldn't call her talentless.


Agreed. After all, it must take something for Madonna to sill yo ish and sell millions.



probably the only steady paycheck in her entire life.
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Reply #19 posted 04/08/10 5:43am

Graycap23

BlaqueKnight said:

Graycap23 said:


It's nice 2 be cute. (as she was back in the day)

She is the musical equivalent of watching paint dry.

No doubt about that.
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Reply #20 posted 04/08/10 12:45pm

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Ingrid mushy
I realy love ingrids take on things. she is so Nyse.
and her new album is off the chain. way better than the new sade album.

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Reply #21 posted 04/08/10 12:47pm

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errant said:

Prince, Lenny Kravitz, David Sylvian.... never really put together what a starfucker she is until now.


thats her biz... does it matter who she fucks.
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Reply #22 posted 04/08/10 3:42pm

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Thanks for the article Virgo. I heart me some Ingrid Chavez. I need to get her new album. cool
Peace ... & Stay Funky ...

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Reply #23 posted 04/08/10 8:25pm

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nyse said:

errant said:

Prince, Lenny Kravitz, David Sylvian.... never really put together what a starfucker she is until now.


thats her biz... does it matter who she fucks.



only when it comes to her career.
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Reply #24 posted 04/08/10 9:09pm

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vitriol said:

Interesting read.

Boring, talentless 'artist'.

I still can't believe two of my most favourite artists (Prince and Sylvian) had any interest in her.

And just to think she might've been directly involved in the cancellation of the Black Album makes me wanna kill her.


omg I didn't hear about that. What's the story behind it?
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #25 posted 04/08/10 9:34pm

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psychodelicide said:

vitriol said:

Interesting read.

Boring, talentless 'artist'.

I still can't believe two of my most favourite artists (Prince and Sylvian) had any interest in her.

And just to think she might've been directly involved in the cancellation of the Black Album makes me wanna kill her.


omg I didn't hear about that. What's the story behind it?



really? come on now.
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Reply #26 posted 04/08/10 9:43pm

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psychodelicide said:

vitriol said:

Interesting read.

Boring, talentless 'artist'.

I still can't believe two of my most favourite artists (Prince and Sylvian) had any interest in her.

And just to think she might've been directly involved in the cancellation of the Black Album makes me wanna kill her.


omg I didn't hear about that. What's the story behind it?


http://www.theblackalbum.info/

The Black Album

1987 - Welcome to the Funk Bible

No album with this name was planned. No name of the artist could be found other than "Somebody" on Warner’s release schedule. Just a record with a production code printed in orange lettering on the spine of the black sleeve. Although the original title 'Funk Bible" was mentioned, buried in the mix, at the beginning of the first song "Le Grind", it was never used as record title and of course it was dubbed "The Black Album" because that's what it is...

The history of this album appears to start at the end of the European leg of the Sign ‘O’ The Times tour. Prince seemed to be frustrated about the weak sales figures of the Sign ‘O’ The Times album and the accompanying criticism. Although he received positive reviews on the prolific double album some critics started to say that Prince had become too pop-oriented and had lost his ability to write good music.

In October 1987 Prince starts to work on an album to prove that everybody is wrong. This would become the Black Album a.k.a. Funk Bible . He records ‘When 2 R In Love’ and updates some other songs, which date back from September 1986 to March 1987. The use of older songs is actually a funny move when you think about he motivation of this album. It doesn’t prove the point about his capabilities at that point but more of those in the past. But then most people knew little about Prince’s vault with songs. In the middle of November the album is finished and the tape is sent to Warner Brothers for mastering.

In December 1987, one week prior to the album's release Prince reconsidered the project, cancelled it and recalled all copies for destruction. 500.000 copies where already pressed and waiting to be shipped out. By then many promotional copies where out in world (estimates state roughly hundred) which contents soon would serve as a basis for the most bootlegged album ever.

Rumours of this recalled secret Prince album hit the streets and fans started to look for it. Very soon different, bad and incomplete copies circulated on tapes among collectors.

On March 6, 1988 a German DJ., Ruth Rockenschaub played the record in her nightly radio show Nachtrock. This was repeated in the evening three days later in that station’s show Soul Train. The local division of Warner, WEA was not amused and sent out a telex to warn them that they would be fined DM12.500 when playing the record again. Other stations in Europe like Veronica’s Countdown Café in the Netherlands followed some weeks later.

Before the official release in 1994 copies could fetch crazy prices from $5.000 up to an alleged DM22.000/$12.000 at a shop in Hamburg, Germany, in the beginning of the 90’s. I also remember mention of the acetates being sold at one point (maybe it was the Hamburg sale or an unconnected US sale).

There was much speculation about the reason of cancellation. It was thought that Warner didn’t like the album for it’s tone and content. There was also the consensus that Warner objected to the fact that so much Prince music was made available to the public in so few years. They didn’t have enough time to stretch out the release of an album and cash-in accordingly.

It was all different though. Prince had pulled the plug himself. In April 1988 that fact became evident for the general public. Aware of all bootlegging he asked the fans, in the video for "Alphabet St.", not to buy The Black Album. Unfortunately it was done through a very hidden message, in a held up walking cane in a split second of the clip, so many missed it. The message being "Please don't buy The Black Album. I'm sorry.".

He also tried to make a point during the LoveSexy Tour. Some of the unreleased songs where played live in the ‘Lust’ section of the show. The songs were Dead On It, Bob George & Superfunkycalifragisexy. Through the LoveSexy tour programme a definitive explanation was printed. Of course in a princely fashion, it told the story of Camille. This part explains a bit the reason behind the album. “Camille set out to silence his critics. No longer daring - his enemies laughed. No longer glam, his funk is half-assed... “

Further on down in this story you can find the reason and timestamp for its decision to cancel. “Tuesday came. Blue Tuesday. His canvas full, and lying on the table, Camille mustered all the hate that he was able. Hate 4 the ones who ever doubted his game. Hate 4 the ones who ever doubted his name.
Tis nobody funkier -- let the Black Album fly. Spooky Electric was talking, Camille started 2 cry. Tricked. A fool he had been. In the lowest utmostest. He had allowed the dark side of him 2 create something evil. 2 Nigs United 4 West Compton. Camille and his ego. Bob George. Why? Spooky Electric must die.”

It is notable that he actually sacrificed the character of Camille to tell this story and not himself as being Prince. Most songs on the Black Album didn’t relate to Camille at all. The songs for the also unreleased Camille album were different songs from the same recording sessions.

This part has been confirmed by several people surrounding Prince but he only hinted at it so parts can be or just are speculative. Some years later stories started to emerge about Tuesday December 1st, 1987 and the preceding evening when Prince went to the club Rupert’s. He asked the DJ to play the new album and observed the responses of the people in the club. That night he met Ingrid Chavez. She is a poet, singer, songwriter and nowadays wife of singer David Sylvian. The two went to Paisley Park and had an intense conversation. Apparently Prince already had some doubts about releasing the album. Somewhere that night he decided against it’s release. The decision appeared to be made after experiencing some heavy hallucinations when using the drug Ecstasy. In what he has called a vision the letter G O D were hovering over a field. It made him realise that it was his responsibility not to release this dark and negative album to kids. He also didn’t want this album to be his legacy in case he died after the release.

1991 - This chair goes round and round

In the next years there where often plans to release The Black Album. In 1991 it was suggested to be released as extra disc together with a greatest hits compilation as a means to compensate for badly selling Graffiti Bridge album. The idea was to sell older songs instead of over saturation of the market. Maybe that was the reason to abandon this altogether and shelve the record again.

1994 - Manage rock stars

November 22, 1994, The Black Album is officially released to the world but for a limited time. For many people it’s release came out of the blue. No one knew that a month before, on 25th of October, Warner was negotiating a $4 million deal with Prince about the release of three albums. Which were The Black Album, The Gold Experience and a soundtrack for a yet to be determined Warner Brothers film. The deal fell through but the release of The Black Album was saved by a $1 million check that went into Prince’s direction.

At it’s release Prince stated that he spiritually was against the album. Some fans were pleased that the album was released but also didn’t understand the contradiction between his spiritual remark and the fact of the fat cheque. They felt that Prince could have blocked the release if he really wanted to. It became very clear that Prince’s wanted to get rid of the Warner’s contract that held him back. With this release he fulfilled one album of the four that he still had to release.

The promotion around the release was very low key. At the release date people at Warner’s dimmed the light for 15 minutes and were dressed in black. There also was a tongue-in-cheek promotion going on which stated that the first 1.000 fans who brought in their bootleg copy would receive a real copy in exchange. No singles were released. Only a promotional video was made of ‘When 2 R In Love’ which was all black and showed only the lyrics of the song.

Sales were much less than expected and the album dwindled fast out charts. It was to late. In 1987 it was raw, provocative and daring but seven years later looked tame and pale against the aggressive tone of the music of that day. It was just overtaken by gangsta-rap, grunge and hardcore punk.

At this moment the album is out of print.
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Reply #27 posted 04/10/10 12:12pm

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errant said:

nyse said:



thats her biz... does it matter who she fucks.



only when it comes to her career.


lol lol good one... u still fucked up smile
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Reply #28 posted 04/10/10 11:30pm

Timmy84

So Prince got doped up and decided not to release "The Black Album" after meeting Ingrid? Weird.

And Ingrid never really intrigued me. Like y'all say, she's a bore lol
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Reply #29 posted 04/10/10 11:38pm

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I always thought Ingrid was uber cute. And I love, love... love May 19,1992.
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