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Thread started 08/30/09 7:18pm

MoneyMade

Is Wendy.....holding Lisa Coleman back?? Lisa wrote the Times "The Stick"

So we know it's in you....


Lisa....

Let's go lisa...

It's alright, it's OK
Long as U know, some day
Some way, we'll be 2gether
Lisa, it's OK

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Reply #1 posted 08/30/09 7:19pm

MoneyMade

Now that I think about...name one funky song written by Wendy.



lol
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Reply #2 posted 08/30/09 7:20pm

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b4 u get things twisted ...lisa didn't write the whole track in fact her involvement isn't as grand as u might think it is
man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #3 posted 08/30/09 7:23pm

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rolleyes get ur story rumor straight geesh
Smurf theme song-seriously how many fucking "La Las" can u fit into a dam song wall
Proud Wendy and Lisa Fancy Lesbian asskisser thumbs up!
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Reply #4 posted 08/30/09 7:25pm

MoneyMade

Now that I think about it...name one funky song written by Wendy.



lol
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Reply #5 posted 08/30/09 7:55pm

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Dude, I'll name eight that spring to mind. Wendy & Lisa have done tons of funky songs, on all their albums:

Are You My Baby?
Skeleton Key
Turn Me Inside Out
Someday
Viste
Oh, Wow
White
Chance to Grow
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Reply #6 posted 08/30/09 7:58pm

ThreadBare

As for y'all being together one day, keep in mind that Lisa's s/o posts on the Org and has helped coordinate W&L's interaction with Orgers...
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Reply #7 posted 08/30/09 9:19pm

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i think this is a legitimate question that can be posed from an artistic standpoint. folks don't need to be that ubersensative.


did wendy hold back lisa's funk? i don't know...both of them appear to thrive on the collaboration process and original soundscapes so i would tend to think she eventually would have migrated away from the original sounds that prince and co. created.

just my two cents.
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Reply #8 posted 08/30/09 9:41pm

ThreadBare

1. Sos is here. woot!
2. Sos is here, using words like "soundscapes." thumbs up!
3. Sos said folks were getting uber-sensitive. hmph! After all, we're talking about Lisa here. She's... she's great! touched

Naw, seriously. I think Lisa's piano playing (especially her chords phrasing) and her organ chops have upped the funk quotient of many of their songs. I think the drumming and Wendy's killer basslines help solidify their grooves.

They're plenty funky.
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Reply #9 posted 08/30/09 10:33pm

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I know the theme song from Nurse Jackie is hella funky. I watched the whole first season on demand and never fast forwarded thru the opening credits.

They're both very funky musicians.
Who ever said Prince has lost it - has lost it. The Kid's still got game!
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Reply #10 posted 08/31/09 12:53am

MoneyMade

Xtraordinary said:

I know the theme song from Nurse Jackie is hella funky. I watched the whole first season on demand and never fast forwarded thru the opening credits.

They're both very funky musicians.



Being a lesbian is no longer shocking....or funky music.



"White" tries but it sounds like an outtake from a bad HBO movie.

"I've Got A Big Bowl of Cherries" Are you serious.....

And the other 98% of their tracks sound like Dreamy "Wendy Odes to Lisa will U Marry me one day?" In fact, the two are starting to look like siamese twins joined at the cheek there so many pictures of them together.

BTW for your information what is an ode??? You'd be surprised...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ode


Regards,
.....
[Edited 8/31/09 1:02am]
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Reply #11 posted 08/31/09 1:57am

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Mountains. I think Lisa and Wendy wrote Mountains. And it's funky.

Skeleton Key is funky.
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Reply #12 posted 08/31/09 6:35am

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I say no

They both come from very musical families, families that have worked together

Lisa as far as classical & jazz piano, synth, keyboard, string orchestration, Prince was crazy to let her go, no other after her could touch her level or expertise, even Prince was well challenged. Because that was her gift training and focus.

Prince worked a lot with Lisa when she joined the band, the Stick she and Prince worked out together with Morris but she laid the foundation for the song,which is why she got credit on that

Power Fantastic is also a song that came from Lisa: a song called Carousel

Lots of people thrive off of connection and :musicians artist athletes so in my opinion Wendy adding to the chemistry of Lisa & Prince was a bonus and in no way hindered, but everyone brought something different: a different attitude a different space, and a different sound. Wendy is very funky on guitar (she also plays bass & drums/percussion) 60's music was very funky, and if that was a pop genre from her storehouse then I don't see why it wouldn't translate over into Purple Music,

When I her Wendy on songs like Chocolate, Dance Electric, Love or Money, Hello, Kiss, the Ladder and many others she seems to thrive in those songs
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Reply #13 posted 08/31/09 8:39am

ladygirl99

Wendy holding Lisa's funkiness, huh? As a matter of fact Lisa is one of Wendy's biggest influence and Wendy always acknowledge this so I don't get it how Wendy is holding back Lisa's funk? Lisa might be a team player but she damn sure is not going to let anyone including Wendy prevent her from revealing her creative juices.

I always thought instantly that Wendy is funkier of the two and Lisa is more of a clasical and rock/pop player and she is natural at it as well. They both totally respect each other's abilities and what they bring to the table. At the end of the day Wendy's funkiness and alternative and plus Lisa's jazz/classical, synth playing equals to kickass music during their time with Prince, their solo albums, and music scoring. cool

Finally Lisa just wrote mainly the lyrics to the Stick and she said this herself but mainly Prince and somewhat Morris did the melody of the song.
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Reply #14 posted 08/31/09 9:37am

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I don't think either of them are holding the other back. They work very well together. Lisa prefers to be more in the background so maybe it appears that Wendy is holding her back. To use that one song which wasn't even fully composed by Lisa is reaching to say the least. confused
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Reply #15 posted 08/31/09 10:34am

MoneyMade

Who cares about the individual music pedigrees or influences....everyone knows the story. You can be influenced by shakespeare, doesn't mean you write good sonnets.

The subject is as follows:

"Is Wendy....holding Lisa Coleman Back??"

And I offered up a funky track that Lisa is credited with writing... the Time's "The Stick" and DESPITE whatever level of involvement some will claim, Lisa is credited with this song.


Do you know what funk is...Mountains is not funk.
What sounds good to your untrained ear, but "sounds catchy"...
is not always good music. Prince kept Lisa around for a reason...
When you understand the question you will ask yourself, WTF Is Wendy
holding Lisa Coleman back. Their whole body of work sounds like 'Lesbian
odes of love 2 one another' Some Dreamy...dreary..hopeless dead end shit!
Listen to this shit one time and you are on a Benzodipaine trip.

In a word or 2:

1 : feeling, displaying, or reflecting listlessness or discouragement...it's all a dead end muthafucka.

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Reply #16 posted 08/31/09 10:59am

Graycap23

eek eek eek
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Reply #17 posted 08/31/09 11:01am

ladygirl99

MoneyMade said:

Who cares about the individual music pedigrees....everyone knows the story.

The subject is as follows:

"Is Wendy....holding Lisa Coleman Back??"

And I offered up a funky track that Lisa is credited with writing... the Time's "The Stick" and DESPITE whatever level of involvement some will claim, Lisa is credited with this song.


Do you know what funk is...Mountains is not funk.
What sounds good to your untrained ear, but "sounds catchy"
is not always good music. Prince kept Lisa around for a reason...
When you understand the question you will ask yourself WTF Is Wendy
holding Lisa Coleman back. Their whole body of work sounds like 'Lesbian
odes of love 2 one another' Some Dreamy...dreary..hopeless dead end shit!
Listen to this shit one time and you are on a Benzodipaine trip.

In a word or 2:

1 : feeling, displaying, or reflecting listlessness or discouragement muthafucka.


Lisa wrote the words on the Stick but again Prince wrote the melody/music of the song. She confirmed this on her twitter page awhile back when someone ask this. Again you need to give some examples of how is Wendy holding Lisa's funkiness back. I always believed and listening to their records and their time with Prince that Lisa is a team player musician but I never thought she was a funk keyboard player and I think Matt Fink is more funkier and if you listen to his influence on Dirty Mind and live performance on Lovesexy tour and also his composing efforts over the last ten years then you know what I am talking about.

Finally Lisa is the one who wanted to be in the background and she admitted numerous times (but she is more out there now and I give Renata credit on this one and Renata is a damn good manager and I believed she have a great help of overcoming Lisa's shyness). Wendy did wanted her, I read this somewhere in their early interviews, to sing lead when they was making their first album (I think because Lisa has the more soulful and lovely voice of the two) but Lisa refused. That is another example that Lisa is not going to let anyone, include Wendy, making her do something or trying to hold her back and she is her own person and she make sure she let anyone knows that.
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Reply #18 posted 08/31/09 11:15am

MoneyMade

ladygirl99 said:

MoneyMade said:

Who cares about the individual music pedigrees....everyone knows the story.

The subject is as follows:

"Is Wendy....holding Lisa Coleman Back??"

And I offered up a funky track that Lisa is credited with writing... the Time's "The Stick" and DESPITE whatever level of involvement some will claim, Lisa is credited with this song.


Do you know what funk is...Mountains is not funk.
What sounds good to your untrained ear, but "sounds catchy"
is not always good music. Prince kept Lisa around for a reason...
When you understand the question you will ask yourself WTF Is Wendy
holding Lisa Coleman back. Their whole body of work sounds like 'Lesbian
odes of love 2 one another' Some Dreamy...dreary..hopeless dead end shit!
Listen to this shit one time and you are on a Benzodipaine trip.

In a word or 2:

1 : feeling, displaying, or reflecting listlessness or discouragement muthafucka.


Lisa wrote the words on the Stick but again Prince wrote the melody/music of the song. She confirmed this on her twitter page awhile back when someone ask this. Again you need to give some examples of how is Wendy holding Lisa's funkiness back. I always believed and listening to their records and their time with Prince that Lisa is a team player musician but I never thought she was a funk keyboard player and I think Matt Fink is more funkier and if you listen to his influence on Dirty Mind and live performance on Lovesexy tour and also his composing efforts over the last ten years then you know what I am talking about.

Finally Lisa is the one who wanted to be in the background and she admitted numerous times (but she is more out there now and I give Renata credit on this one and Renata is a damn good manager and I believed she have a great help of overcoming Lisa's shyness). Wendy did wanted her, I read this somewhere in their early interviews, to sing lead when they was making their first album (I think because Lisa has the more soulful and lovely voice of the two) but Lisa refused. That is another example that Lisa is not going to let anyone, include Wendy, making her do something or trying to hold her back and she is her own person and she make sure she let anyone knows that.



Who brought up Matt...or Renata?
All the rest are valid points you raise....
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Reply #19 posted 08/31/09 12:19pm

ladygirl99

MoneyMade said:

ladygirl99 said:



Lisa wrote the words on the Stick but again Prince wrote the melody/music of the song. She confirmed this on her twitter page awhile back when someone ask this. Again you need to give some examples of how is Wendy holding Lisa's funkiness back. I always believed and listening to their records and their time with Prince that Lisa is a team player musician but I never thought she was a funk keyboard player and I think Matt Fink is more funkier and if you listen to his influence on Dirty Mind and live performance on Lovesexy tour and also his composing efforts over the last ten years then you know what I am talking about.

Finally Lisa is the one who wanted to be in the background and she admitted numerous times (but she is more out there now and I give Renata credit on this one and Renata is a damn good manager and I believed she have a great help of overcoming Lisa's shyness). Wendy did wanted her, I read this somewhere in their early interviews, to sing lead when they was making their first album (I think because Lisa has the more soulful and lovely voice of the two) but Lisa refused. That is another example that Lisa is not going to let anyone, include Wendy, making her do something or trying to hold her back and she is her own person and she make sure she let anyone knows that.



Who brought up Matt...or Renata?
All the rest are valid points you raise....



My point with Matt is that, in my OPINION he is funker and heavily influence by funk than Lisa. Lisa is more influence by classical artists like Mozart and the such and Lisa she is more of a classical player and jazz player she is more comfortable doing those styles. I am not saying that Lisa cant play funk and she can learned and play some funk tunes if it needed but majority of the music I heard from her she feel comfortable playing rock and classical and jazz sounds and Wendy is not causing her if she does not often play funk tunes. Just like Wendy can played other instruments like the drums but her speculity playing guitar get my drift?
As for Renata I am just mention her name in o/t way to get my point across of how Lisa has been coming more out of her shell now than back as far as interacting more with the fans. but still Lisa loves to be in her background or as she called it her apartment, lol and also to this day Lisa likes to be in the background that has nothing to do with Wendy controlling her because she feels more comfortable doing so. Lisa was the one who kicked Wendy out of her Hollywood Hills home when they broke up so Ms. Coleman does not allow ppl controlling her, haha just kidding!
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Reply #20 posted 08/31/09 2:11pm

MoneyMade

sosgemini said:

i think this is a legitimate question that can be posed from an artistic standpoint. folks don't need to be that ubersensative.


did wendy hold back lisa's funk? i don't know...both of them appear to thrive on the collaboration process and original soundscapes so i would tend to think she eventually would have migrated away from the original sounds that prince and co. created.

just my two cents.



Thank you all for the feedback...and I want U to know I have changed my opinion because of them. I had expected a slew of instinctive & unreasoned responses as I touched on touchy subject....but I do sense a lot of thoughtfulness went into many of the reponses.

There will be something big happening in the near future and it could involve certain members of "The Team"

Stay tuned
"The Revolution will not be Televised"

http://www.myspace.com/jo...ingspurple


[i]Lisa....

Let's go lisa...

It's alright, it's OK
Long as U know, some day
Some way, we'll be 2gether
Lisa, it's OK



prince
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Reply #21 posted 08/31/09 4:23pm

ThreadBare

confuse
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Reply #22 posted 08/31/09 11:09pm

Ottensen

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confuse


I know, right? bored2
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Reply #23 posted 09/01/09 3:31am

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ladygirl99 said:


Lisa wrote the words on the Stick but again Prince wrote the melody/music of the song. She confirmed this on her twitter page awhile back when someone ask this.


That someone was me! lol

ThreadBare said:

As for y'all being together one day, keep in mind that Lisa's s/o posts on the Org and has helped coordinate W&L's interaction with Orgers...


Those were lyrics from Prince's 1980 outtake called "Lisa".

It's alright, it's OK
Long as U know, some day
Some way, we'll be 2gether
Lisa, it's OK


A funky song driven by a pounding drum machine pattern and synth riff and one of my favorite unreleased Prince songs.

I asked Lisa (in private) the story behind the song, but her reply was a bit too personal to post here smile
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Reply #24 posted 09/01/09 3:38am

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MoneyMade said:

Xtraordinary said:

I know the theme song from Nurse Jackie is hella funky. I watched the whole first season on demand and never fast forwarded thru the opening credits.

They're both very funky musicians.




"I've Got A Big Bowl of Cherries" Are you serious.....


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[Edited 8/31/09 1:02am]


Cherries is a LISA SONG. I love it.
We all want the stuff that's found in our wildest dreams.

http://www.ustream.tv/cha...dj-bobstar
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Reply #25 posted 09/01/09 4:37am

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wendy and lisa are NOT funky
You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam!
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Reply #26 posted 09/01/09 5:57am

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minneapolisFunq said:

wendy and lisa are NOT funky

When they get out of bed.....
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Reply #27 posted 09/01/09 5:32pm

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I think Wendy got funky on Me'Shell N'degeocello's "God Shiva." I really love that song and was surprised to see her name in the credits.
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Reply #28 posted 09/02/09 2:18pm

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ThreadBare said:

1. Sos is here. woot!
2. Sos is here, using words like "soundscapes." thumbs up!
3. Sos said folks were getting uber-sensitive. hmph! After all, we're talking about Lisa here. She's... she's great! touched

Naw, seriously. I think Lisa's piano playing (especially her chords phrasing) and her organ chops have upped the funk quotient of many of their songs. I think the drumming and Wendy's killer basslines help solidify their grooves.

They're plenty funky.



wave
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Reply #29 posted 09/02/09 2:35pm

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minneapolisFunq said:

wendy and lisa are NOT funky



your opinion of them is obvious

and probably tainted by prejudice
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