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What if Vanity starred in PR? No disrespect to the original "Sex Shooter" I LOVE APPLES! But could you all imagine if Vanity starred in Purple Rain originally she was supposed to. What would the film have been like. I can't picture her being as submissive as Miss Apollonia. If P asked her to jump in the lake the old Vanity would have probably kicked him in the balls. | |
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I like Vanity.
BUT... Prince told her to wear lingerie in cold ass Minneapolis and she did that! Jumping in a freezing lake wouldn't have been a stretch. I think the movie would have had one more song by the girls if she had stayed on board. Apollonia was untested as a draw for the fans unlike Vanity. When  go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all  up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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It would have been a different film, that's for sure. When I was a kid, I was bummed big time that Vanity and Dez both weren't in the film. Well, not counting Dez's "cameo" but if he hadn't split the band, he was actually written in one of the early drafts. So anyway, I used to think "Man, if Vanity was in the film, it would have been MUCH better." But as time passed, my thought process has shifted somewhat. Why? Because if V was in the film, no doubt it would have been much darker in tone. Way more sinister, I think. Reading the draft that casted Vanity in the film shows that the movie was more edgier and again darker. IF WB would have went on to film that script and V had stayed and been in the film...I don't know if the film would have had the mass appeal that it had. Meaning, it REALLY would have been a "fans only" type of film for the most part. It would have done well commercially but I think that Appolonia's pressence "softened" the film and therefore "softened" Prince to a degree. Although pretty and cute, she didn't exude any edginess and bite that Vanity certainly would have brought. I think with Vanity in the film, the whole tone of the movie would have been darker. I think because of Appolonia's lightweightness, it actually appealed to more people. Especially younger kids. If the film was made like how P wanted made, with both the parents dead and V was in it too, it would have been more of a "cult" underground vibe than it ended up being. Apples made it more "commercial" and more "accessible" to the mainstream audience because she was so lightweight-ish. And so I think it did better in the box office. [Edited 8/18/09 23:57pm] SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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PimpandCircumstance said: No disrespect to the original "Sex Shooter" I LOVE APPLES! But could you all imagine if Vanity starred in Purple Rain originally she was supposed to. What would the film have been like. I can't picture her being as submissive as Miss Apollonia. If P asked her to jump in the lake the old Vanity would have probably kicked him in the balls.
That, and if Vanity had gone topless and jumped in the lake, the audience might have gasped and not for the right reasons. Loved Vanity, and I thought she would've made the film more exciting--she has more style, beauty, and intrigue than Apollonia who seemed very "vanilla" to me--but instead of focusing on her boobs, the camera would've had to focus on her behind or something. I'm just sayin'. "Be glad for what you had baby, what you've got..." | |
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Vanity was so self-absorbed. I think Appollonia was a good choice. | |
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blackguitaristz said: It would have been a different film, that's for sure. When I was a kid, I was bummed big time that Vanity and Dez both weren't in the film. Well, not counting Dez's "cameo" but if he hadn't split the band, he was actually written in one of the early drafts. So anyway, I used to think "Man, if Vanity was in the film, it would have been MUCH better." But as time passed, my thought process has shifted somewhat. Why? Because if V was in the film, no doubt it would have been much darker in tone. Way more sinister, I think. Reading the draft that casted Vanity in the film shows that the movie was more edgier and again darker. IF WB would have went on to film that script and V had stayed and been in the film...I don't know if the film would have had the mass appeal that it had. Meaning, it REALLY would have been a "fans only" type of film for the most part. It would have done well commercially but I think that Appolonia's pressence "softened" the film and therefore "softened" Prince to a degree. Although pretty and cute, she didn't exude any edginess and bite that Vanity certainly would have brought. I think with Vanity in the film, the whole tone of the movie would have been darker. I think because of Appolonia's lightweightness, it actually appealed to more people. Especially younger kids. If the film was made like how P wanted made, with both the parents dead and V was in it too, it would have been more of a "cult" underground vibe than it ended up being. Apples made it more "commercial" and more "accessible" to the mainstream audience because she was so lightweight-ish. And so I think it did better in the box office.
[Edited 8/18/09 23:57pm] This is exactly what I came in here to say. 
Apollonia softened the movie and helped in giving it that mainstream appeal that Prince was striving for with the movie as his 'big breakthrough'. Vanity would've been great, but it would've been a 'Controversy/1999' movie, not a Purple Rain?ATWIAD movie if you see what I mean. Much more striking, but not as widely appealing. . [Edited 8/19/09 6:13am] | |
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PimpandCircumstance said: No disrespect to the original "Sex Shooter" I LOVE APPLES! But could you all imagine if Vanity starred in Purple Rain originally she was supposed to. What would the film have been like. I can't picture her being as submissive as Miss Apollonia.If P asked her to jump in the lake the old Vanity would have probably kicked him in the balls.
 yeah,Vanity was nobody's fool.It's hard to imagine her being as submissive as Apples was. | |
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bettybop said: if Vanity had gone topless and jumped in the lake, the audience might have gasped and not for the right reasons....instead of focusing on her boobs, the camera would've had to focus on her behind or something. I'm just sayin'.
Yeah,Vanity was VERY flat-chested in those days.Maybe they could have used a body double for that scene?  | |
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Wow the last recent picture I saw of Vanity...she looked horrible!I am not sure what's wrong, but it's probably your fault! | |
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blackguitaristz said: It would have been a different film, that's for sure. When I was a kid, I was bummed big time that Vanity and Dez both weren't in the film. Well, not counting Dez's "cameo" but if he hadn't split the band, he was actually written in one of the early drafts. So anyway, I used to think "Man, if Vanity was in the film, it would have been MUCH better." But as time passed, my thought process has shifted somewhat. Why? Because if V was in the film, no doubt it would have been much darker in tone. Way more sinister, I think. Reading the draft that casted Vanity in the film shows that the movie was more edgier and again darker. IF WB would have went on to film that script and V had stayed and been in the film...I don't know if the film would have had the mass appeal that it had. Meaning, it REALLY would have been a "fans only" type of film for the most part. It would have done well commercially but I think that Appolonia's pressence "softened" the film and therefore "softened" Prince to a degree. Although pretty and cute, she didn't exude any edginess and bite that Vanity certainly would have brought. I think with Vanity in the film, the whole tone of the movie would have been darker. I think because of Appolonia's lightweightness, it actually appealed to more people. Especially younger kids. If the film was made like how P wanted made, with both the parents dead and V was in it too, it would have been more of a "cult" underground vibe than it ended up being. Apples made it more "commercial" and more "accessible" to the mainstream audience because she was so lightweight-ish. And so I think it did better in the box office.
[Edited 8/18/09 23:57pm] Interesting theory. I always thought Vainty would have made it more dark and also more sexy. Because SHE was more dark (not skin color, her aura) and also she was more sexual than Apples. I thought the film would have been better, but you are right, it may not have been more commerically successful... because mainstream likes "feel good" movies. Nothing too thought provoking etc. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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NouveauDance said: Vanity would've been great, but it would've been a 'Controversy/1999' movie, not a Purple Rain?ATWIAD movie if you see what I mean. Much more striking, but not as widely appealing. . [Edited 8/19/09 6:13am] Oh, see? you are right! I can remember those videos that Prince made with Lisa and Jill Jones... the Automatic long version video with the whole sexual bondage scene... That would not go over well tihw mainstream audience and Vanity would have brought that type of mood to the video. Not funny and cute and feel good like PR. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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The movie would of been a lot Darker if she was in it. And Vanity would have became a huge star. Her aura scream Raquel Welch and Marilyn Monroe. I think Vanity rush it. | |
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PR would've had a rock n roll type edge | |
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It would have been more of a dramatic film with music as the backdrop versus a rockumentary with music as the main star of the film.
Vanity would have had a larger, more seductive, femme fatale type role. There would have been more interaction between her character and that of Morris Day. Prince would have had to push her in the lake cuz she wouldn't fall for no "you have purify yourself in the waters of lake minnetonka" bullshit. We would have seen an ass shot instead of a boob shot. Vanity 6 would have given a better performance of sex shooter Vanity would not have gotten bitchslapped by Prince. This would have been an all out fight scene mimicking his mom and pop. There would be more justification for "part II" and said sequel would have been much better than **cough** Graffiti Shit.  and  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: It would have been more of a dramatic film with music as the backdrop versus a rockumentary with music as the main star of the film.
Vanity would have had a larger, more seductive, femme fatale type role. There would have been more interaction between her character and that of Morris Day. Prince would have had to push her in the lake cuz she wouldn't fall for no "you have purify yourself in the waters of lake minnetonka" bullshit. We would have seen an ass shot instead of a boob shot. Vanity 6 would have given a better performance of sex shooter Vanity would not have gotten bitchslapped by Prince. This would have been an all out fight scene mimicking his mom and pop. There would be more justification for "part II" and said sequel would have been much better than **cough** Graffiti Shit. and lol good thoughts I think for the most part the film that we got was the same that Vanity was going to be in. The movie was a lot darker, because Prince wanted it that way, he wanted the father to have died as well. All those deleted scenes show that there was some serious danger and darkness in the film (Purple Rain trailer) Of course Vanity would have had a different energy but would have still played the part, that fight scene after the Taste performance I could really see Vanity getting rough But what Vanity would have brought would have been the realness that Morris & the Time the Revolution, Jill Jones, Chick, Billy, Susan & Brenda and all those others who were in the film that were already apart of the Uptown scene, the chemistry would have been a lot more fluid and natural | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: DesireeNevermind said: It would have been more of a dramatic film with music as the backdrop versus a rockumentary with music as the main star of the film.
Vanity would have had a larger, more seductive, femme fatale type role. There would have been more interaction between her character and that of Morris Day. Prince would have had to push her in the lake cuz she wouldn't fall for no "you have purify yourself in the waters of lake minnetonka" bullshit. We would have seen an ass shot instead of a boob shot. Vanity 6 would have given a better performance of sex shooter Vanity would not have gotten bitchslapped by Prince. This would have been an all out fight scene mimicking his mom and pop. There would be more justification for "part II" and said sequel would have been much better than **cough** Graffiti Shit. and lol good thoughts I think for the most part the film that we got was the same that Vanity was going to be in. The movie was a lot darker, because Prince wanted it that way, he wanted the father to have died as well. All those deleted scenes show that there was some serious danger and darkness in the film (Purple Rain trailer) Of course Vanity would have had a different energy but would have still played the part, that fight scene after the Taste performance I could really see Vanity getting rough But what Vanity would have brought would have been the realness that Morris & the Time the Revolution, Jill Jones, Chick, Billy, Susan & Brenda and all those others who were in the film that were already apart of the Uptown scene, the chemistry would have been a lot more fluid and natural and since the film still got an R rating they should have stuck with the original script. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: OldFriends4Sale said: lol good thoughts I think for the most part the film that we got was the same that Vanity was going to be in. The movie was a lot darker, because Prince wanted it that way, he wanted the father to have died as well. All those deleted scenes show that there was some serious danger and darkness in the film (Purple Rain trailer) Of course Vanity would have had a different energy but would have still played the part, that fight scene after the Taste performance I could really see Vanity getting rough But what Vanity would have brought would have been the realness that Morris & the Time the Revolution, Jill Jones, Chick, Billy, Susan & Brenda and all those others who were in the film that were already apart of the Uptown scene, the chemistry would have been a lot more fluid and natural and since the film still got an R rating they should have stuck with the original script.PR was rated "R"?? "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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prodigalfan said: DesireeNevermind said: and since the film still got an R rating they should have stuck with the original script.PR was rated "R"?? that's what i recall...rated "R" for Darling Nikki sequence, the nudity, the slamming of the woman in the dumpster and cuss words "life my ass muthafucka". | |
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DesireeNevermind said: prodigalfan said: PR was rated "R"?? that's what i recall...rated "R" for Darling Nikki sequence, the nudity, the slamming of the woman in the dumpster and cuss words "life my ass muthafucka". "What the fuck wrong with you, Kid?" "I ain't got time for yo' shit Billy, what you want?"  When go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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Well Apollonia did a fine job in my eyes. She was the perfect foil for Prince. | |
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HonestMan13 said: DesireeNevermind said: that's what i recall...rated "R" for Darling Nikki sequence, the nudity, the slamming of the woman in the dumpster and cuss words "life my ass muthafucka". "What the fuck wrong with you, Kid?" "I ain't got time for yo' shit Billy, what you want?" Billy was so sexy | |
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DesireeNevermind said: HonestMan13 said: "What the fuck wrong with you, Kid?" "I ain't got time for yo' shit Billy, what you want?" Billy was so sexyHe looked like his mouth was stuffed with food all the time.He reminded me of Booker from the Good Times show. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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DesireeNevermind said: It would have been more of a dramatic film with music as the backdrop versus a rockumentary with music as the main star of the film.
Vanity would have had a larger, more seductive, femme fatale type role. There would have been more interaction between her character and that of Morris Day. Prince would have had to push her in the lake cuz she wouldn't fall for no "you have purify yourself in the waters of lake minnetonka" bullshit. We would have seen an ass shot instead of a boob shot. Vanity 6 would have given a better performance of sex shooter Vanity would not have gotten bitchslapped by Prince. This would have been an all out fight scene mimicking his mom and pop. There would be more justification for "part II" and said sequel would have been much better than **cough** Graffiti Shit. and  And in the vernacular: Girl, you sho is funny!  | |
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prodigalfan said: DesireeNevermind said: Billy was so sexyHe looked like his mouth was stuffed with food all the time.He reminded me of Booker from the Good Times show. "Billy where'd you get those glasses?"  When go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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lipstick said: Well Apollonia did a fine job in my eyes. She was the perfect foil for Prince.
co-sign. they could have done more fun films with that pairing. | |
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She'd probably be so High...she wouldn't remember her lines!
Nikki Sixx spilled the beans...from his book Heroine Diaries & Dirt: February 15, 1987: Van Nuys, 2:15 p.m. What the fuck was that about? Even by Vanity's standards, last night was insane. When I called her she didn't want to come over, and invited me to her place instead. I soon found out why when I got there. She'd been smokin' coke for hours and looked pretty fucked, so I thought I'd join in. Vanity was doing her crazy Art shit and we ended up doing base all night, then when it got light out she told me she felt hungry. That seemed weird because nobody gets hungry on coke but I said OK, and drove out to get bacon and eggs and orange juice. Then when I got back 10 minutes later, the guards wouldn't let me in the gate to her complex ... they said she wasn't there. I was telling them fuck you when two black guys drove out in a Cadillac ... that was weird ... there are no black people there besides Vanity. She drove out 10 minutes later and I chased her down in my car and asked who the black dudes were. She said they were just friends. Weird night. She always finds a new way to mess up my head. NIKKI: I found out later from her sister that the two guys were dealers delivering coke. One more cute thing about Vanity back then: her car license plate said HO-HO-Ho. When Prince had finished with her, he'd told her, "You ain't nothin' but a ho-ho-ho!" and she liked that because ... she had a thing about Santa Clause. That sort of made sense in Vanityworld. EVANGELIST DENISE MATTHEWS: I was the glutton for punishment [with Nikki] and also the punisher punishing. It wasn't easy being high all the time and relating to another human being. He could have related better with a pet rock. I won't pretend that I was always there. If our relationship had been examined by a professional at that time, his diagnosis might have read, "Intensive care is much needed for this mad, neurotic, paranoid, psychotic, disturbing relationship, with egos at large coming through the door." I believe there is a whole phi-sod to the ph-sod of being an idol, don't you think? We take on the mysterious role of its origin. Everybody else traveled the same road so we might as well follow the drugs, the sex, trash the hotel, the crazy parties, grow your hair longer, look the part, wear the makeup and act crazy until it kills you. The rest is simple ... boy meets girl, girl gets yucky, both get woozy and call it love, oh yes ... sick! Lost Poetry: Her love is like a swimming pool/Winter comes and it's no use to you/Her love is like a suicide/ Lose your faith and it takes your life/ Her love is like a merry-go-round/Spins you in circles then it knocks you down/ Her love is like cheap alcohol/Morning comes and you don't remember at all/ Her love is like a Cheshire cat/ At first so friendly but at you it laughs/ Her love is like a passionate kiss/ At first so sweet then it takes your breath/ Her love is like the stars above/ Your guiding light always leaves you lost/ Her love is like Jesus Christ/ No matter how much faith/ you still die on the cross. | |
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^^ all this back and forth with interviews and she can't manage to relase her autobiography.  How the hell she gonna let Nikki talk about her in his bio yet she doesn't do a rebuttal in her own book. | |
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NouveauDance said: blackguitaristz said: It would have been a different film, that's for sure. When I was a kid, I was bummed big time that Vanity and Dez both weren't in the film. Well, not counting Dez's "cameo" but if he hadn't split the band, he was actually written in one of the early drafts. So anyway, I used to think "Man, if Vanity was in the film, it would have been MUCH better." But as time passed, my thought process has shifted somewhat. Why? Because if V was in the film, no doubt it would have been much darker in tone. Way more sinister, I think. Reading the draft that casted Vanity in the film shows that the movie was more edgier and again darker. IF WB would have went on to film that script and V had stayed and been in the film...I don't know if the film would have had the mass appeal that it had. Meaning, it REALLY would have been a "fans only" type of film for the most part. It would have done well commercially but I think that Appolonia's pressence "softened" the film and therefore "softened" Prince to a degree. Although pretty and cute, she didn't exude any edginess and bite that Vanity certainly would have brought. I think with Vanity in the film, the whole tone of the movie would have been darker. I think because of Appolonia's lightweightness, it actually appealed to more people. Especially younger kids. If the film was made like how P wanted made, with both the parents dead and V was in it too, it would have been more of a "cult" underground vibe than it ended up being. Apples made it more "commercial" and more "accessible" to the mainstream audience because she was so lightweight-ish. And so I think it did better in the box office.
[Edited 8/18/09 23:57pm] This is exactly what I came in here to say.
Apollonia softened the movie and helped in giving it that mainstream appeal that Prince was striving for with the movie as his 'big breakthrough'. Vanity would've been great, but it would've been a 'Controversy/1999' movie, not a Purple Rain?ATWIAD movie if you see what I mean. Much more striking, but not as widely appealing. . [Edited 8/19/09 6:13am] I don't think she would have had that much influence. The movie was still Prince's vehicle. And she didn't make The Last Dragon any edgier! Now, Gina Gershon would have transformed that movie. | |
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jdcxc said: NouveauDance said: This is exactly what I came in here to say.
Apollonia softened the movie and helped in giving it that mainstream appeal that Prince was striving for with the movie as his 'big breakthrough'. Vanity would've been great, but it would've been a 'Controversy/1999' movie, not a Purple Rain?ATWIAD movie if you see what I mean. Much more striking, but not as widely appealing. . [Edited 8/19/09 6:13am] I don't think she would have had that much influence. The movie was still Prince's vehicle. And she didn't make The Last Dragon any edgier! Now, Gina Gershon would have transformed that movie. Oh but see PR was a very different film then Last Dragon. adn also, Vanity was not a characheter in LD. Vantiy the actress played a part that Berry Gordy's writer wrote... Vantiy would have been character in PR. Then the actress Vanity would have been able to put her own spin and flavor to the part. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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