Honest question.
Who releases a new cd, and does not perform live.....anywhere?

Graycap23 said:

Who knows? I would speculate that P obviously doesn't want to promote her in that way. Maybe because she's not a good performer? That would be my guess. But who knows? I never seen her do a show on her own. Why did P NOT do more for Tamar? She was obviously a good singer and performer. But see, there are many things that go down in business that can dictate what the public does or does not see. I figure by Prince being a cat who's been in the biz for as long as he has, certainly has the freedom to do what he wants as far as picking who he wants to work or fuck with.

Graycap23 said:

Did MJ do any live performances for Invincible? Prince didn't do a tour for ATWIAD. "America" is about the only live thing we got for that album specifically. (yes I know he covered some of those songs on the Hit N Run tour).

Oh...and of course Bria.

Question...Has the rhetoric on here towards Bria by others BEFORE this thread ever been classisfied by others as "Hate"? No? ..Yes?...The threads about Bria never been considered "hating on Bria"? Of course they have. If folks are slanging shit at somebody, please be honest enough to cop to it. No one should have to make excuses for others or explain away why they supposedly dislike someone. Based off of her talent or lack off it...She's NO different than many others on the radio today or for the past 10 years. The SAME sentiment applies here yes? If someone doesn't like an artist, be it Bria, Big Bird or Roosevelt Franklin, why project ALL of that energy towards them? To make a comment about them is one thing but to devote mounds of threads on Bria is something else.
[Edited 6/24/09 12:22pm]

Is Prince or Mj a new artist trying 2 sell or promote a new cd?

blackguitaristz said:

Given all of that.....it is just strange.

Graycap23 said:

Yeah, I've always been of the mindset that you put out an album, then you tour your ass off to promote it. Then you want to position yourself to have one element (the album) support the tour and visa verse. One hand feeds the other. Many times the general public might not gravitate towards a recorded work..For many reasons. Lack of or wrong type of promotion. Or some just might not dig what they hear from an artist. For whatever reason. But then, they might see that artist on Letterman or on Conan and they turn it out as a performer. That gives the people who slept on the recorded work a whole new perception and now their curiosity has been sparked. So now, they may fuck with that artist based off of what they saw. So I can never put enough imprtance on performing live. I think it should be an automatic thing that you tour to support an album. ESPECIALLY if you're a new and un-established artist.

Honest question.
Who releases a new cd, and does not perform live.....anywhere?

Graycap23 said:

2Pac?

blackguitaristz said:

The excessive use of the word hater on this site is ridiculous. Hate is a strong word that has lost all its meaning nowadays, but I don't think anyone here has reason to hate Bria and wish her ill. Now, I have stated the main reason why I, and obviously others, aren't too fond of her as a protegé. She is different than most artists on the readio because they at least have to show themselves, perform, or do a bit more than B here. Tamar went bye bye, Shelby's album is still not available and instead P focused on Bria for a while, a woman that has to play the part of the mysterious new protegé that only talks or shows herself a few times per year. Yes, plenty of the dissing is uncalled-for, but some have met her and didn't exactly become a fan of that person...
This is a Prince site and Bria is the most recent of associates and one of the few "new" topics in the Prince world, so it's pretty natural that she gets a lot of focus.

Yet, unfortunately the critizism isn't taken seriously due to all the silliness that has been taken place.
Well, I choose to end this with some positive words and say that I really enjoy "Elixer" and even though Bria's voice isn't incredible it still suits the songs.
[Edited 6/24/09 12:59pm]

blackguitaristz said:

I know. I'm just shaking my head at this one.
What was the point of the release?

Graycap23 said:

Maybe it was just a thing P personally wanted to do. He wanted to use his music for Bria and he must have dug her to the point of releasing an album on her. Maybe P dug the music tracks that he had already written and thought what Bria was bringing suited his tracks. My impression regarding the Bria release is that P was using this, soundwise, to go into another area, commercially. Like a "transition" album. For him moreso than Bria. Bria could have just been "The Face" for the project. But the Big Picture in Prince's mind might not have even been about Bria, the artist. But perhaps he's just using her album as a bridge to something else. Maybe he was just using this Bria Project as a "testing of the waters". Prince has awlays been the type of cat who has SO much material that he may just PERSONALLY want to get out. Period. But he has to have a Face for that if of course he himself doesn't want to be the one "doing" the album. Perhaps that's ALL Bria's purpose was from the get go. P just used this as a vehicle to get some more of his material that he wanted out. Again, it might not have even been ABOUT Bria.

We can spend hours discussing the term hater, but I'm allergic to it so I won't focus on that. Do you read what I'm saying otherwise? Oh well, I'm not gonna talk to deaf ears and this Bria business is getting tiresome.

blackguitaristz said:

Given all of that.....it is still illogical.

VenusBlingBling said:

Don't know how you're concerning deaf ears with me. I addressed only what I personally brought up. Then YOU brought up the term "hate" and how it's used and I then addressed THAT. Period. If it's getting tiresome, then bounce. I mean damn...WHO'S holding a pistol up to your skull forcing you to post? Certinaly NOT me, that's for damn sure. Again, YOU'RE the one who felt obligated to try to defend everybody who was participating in the "hater" threads. I read all of the other that u posted. By me NOT responding to it says that I obviously agreed with it.
[Edited 6/24/09 14:55pm]

blackguitaristz said:

Only commenting on what you didn't agree with makes it look to me as if you just focus on what you find to be bad and ignore the rest and we all know positive feedback is good for our health But I gotcha.
Also, with "deaf ears" I didn't just mean you but all those orgers that wonder why people are dissing B. I can't see anywhere that I started using the term "hater" here. I commented on you doing so and then I decided that I'm not gonna complain anymore about it in this thread and that's why I made that remark.

So, let's all be one happy family and live long and prosper

VenusBlingBling said:

Yeah well, I think u should go back and see what I just added to my post u just responded to BEFORE trying to give me a hug.

blackguitaristz said:

The hug is for everyone who wants to be hugged and forget about all these silly arguements.

blackguitaristz said:

The hug is for everyone who wants to be hugged and forget about all these silly arguements. And @ your added comment. Yeah, now I'm happy
[Edited 6/24/09 15:31pm]

P just used this as a vehicle to get some more of his material that he wanted out. Again, it might not have even been ABOUT Bria.

blackguitaristz said:

I think you've nailed it.

Some of us are old enough to recall that this is nothing new. This has been going on for 24 years, at least. The Family were just the first of a long string of artists that got to record some Prince material, then saw their project die a slow death of underpromotion and no touring.*

Replace "Bria" with "Susannah," or "Jill Jones" or "Taja Seville", or "Ingrid Chavez" . . . etc. . . . and it's the same Prince strategy all over (and over, and over) again.

Love is contagious, anyone?

*Don't get me wrong - I love The Family, I think they are extremely talented musicians in their own right, and for me at least the comparison ends there.

Graycap23 said:

Maybe it was just a thing P personally wanted to do. He wanted to use his music for Bria and he must have dug her to the point of releasing an album on her. Maybe P dug the music tracks that he had already written and thought what Bria was bringing suited his tracks. My impression regarding the Bria release is that P was using this, soundwise, to go into another area, commercially. Like a "transition" album. For him moreso than Bria. Bria could have just been "The Face" for the project. But the Big Picture in Prince's mind might not have even been about Bria, the artist. But perhaps he's just using her album as a bridge to something else. Maybe he was just using this Bria Project as a "testing of the waters". Prince has awlays been the type of cat who has SO much material that he may just PERSONALLY want to get out. Period. But he has to have a Face for that if of course he himself doesn't want to be the one "doing" the album. Perhaps that's ALL Bria's purpose was from the get go. P just used this as a vehicle to get some more of his material that he wanted out. Again, it might not have even been ABOUT Bria.

Thank you, Alliasan. But dig, (whispers) you MUST be careful giving me compliments (especially in THESE neck of the woods) or that shit will get you "ostracized". And you don't want that to happen on my account.

Graycap23 said:

Come on player...How in the world it illogical? It's VERY logical. Prince has always been about what HE wants to do and the freedom to do just that. If he wants to use Bria or any other unknown as a FACE to simply get material that he digs out there, then he will. I don't think he's "committed" to Bria or Sheba for that matter. I don't think it's even about Sheba, ooops, I mean Bria. See my point? To him, at this stage of the game, I don't think it matters WHO the person is. She's just a face for the project. Again, I think P is always testing the waters for PERSONAL reasons and research. He could very well be using this type of material and this album to go into another "phase" for HIMSELF. So in that sense, P may feel no need to pay musicians to rehearse with this chick to tour or anything else. That may have never been in the plan from the get go.
[Edited 6/24/09 15:00pm]

Lol.....Prince does NOT have a record contract with anyone, he can do what ever he chooses so why use Bria 2 get out more material? I understand the logic behind your comments and but it just doesn't make any sense. 3 new Prince cds is BETTER than 2 new Prince cds and 1 Bria cd.

Graycap23 said:

I don't think it's just about labels.

For a long, long, (did I mention long?!) time now, Prince has been exploring different musical styles under different names and guises: from The Time to Madhouse, Sheila E. to Camille, The Family to . . . well, I guess Bria.

Yes, the labels were always a factor in limiting the number of Prince releases. But there's more to it than that. When Prince created The Family, he was very conscious that he was "going after that Duran Duran money" - and while he could effectively write the music to do that, he could never be the face for that band. Enter St. Paul . . .

Similarly, no matter how fancy he is, Prince will never be a young, black, female singer. Enter Bria.

It's not just about getting out more material in terms of quantity. It's a matter of his Gemini self geting to try out - somewhat more credibly - a range of alter egos.