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PrintableMy pure guess is that when it came time to promote Tamar Princes feelings for her had already changed. My guess is that when Prince made the deal with Target his feelings for Bria were still strong. I have not seen any new pictures of Bria with P. Had the deal with Target happened in 2009 maybe we'd see a two CD set. I am not sure. The pattern I see is that P promotes people more on a personal/emotional basis than on a talent or professional one. Some artists have never promoted ANYBODY besides themselves. Without P we wouldn't even know Tamar's name. She simply be "the backup girl on 3121". He has done more for backup singers than Bowie, Ferry, Elvis, MJ, and anybody else I can think of. | |
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prodigalfan said: dollwoman said: I think she was like a good sales girl. She was working more than one customer at a time. She was going to sell that thing to someone, anyone, with the right amount of cash. Prince bit first. I bet everthing that her comversion was the selling point. P is proud of his conversions and it looks better if he's dating a JW. Other JW's frown on dating outside their denomination. There aren't alot of girls that would go that far on a hope and a prayer. It's obvious at this point that there was no promise made by him.
Another thing I wonder is if Mani got the hate that Bria is getting? I get the feeling she wasn't deeply loved either. Mani stepped into the fire when there was an INFERNO raging in Purpledom. Prince and Mayte had lost a child, and by that time (or maybe even because of that) Mayte was liked in the purple camp by band members, girlfriends/wives etc. So Mani comes in and slides into the picture... Mani was not liked by insiders or fans online. She eventually won some people over and some people know ""what side of the bread is buttered", and made Mani feel welcomed because she was who Prince liked.. Right or wrong, it seems Prince was down after the loss of baby, and Mayte did not make him feel better. She was dealing with her own loss. Maleable Mani made Prince feel happy again... even if it was for a little while. I have a very good friend that had to work with her and while professional she said Mani had more than 3 sides and she was really vindictive and nasty but never to her, but she saw it displayed to other people. I always thought that was interesting that I didnt like her from what I knew either. Mayte was Prince's first foray into "official love". Doubt if he would do it again to a Yes Man (notice i did not say woman lol).  | |
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If Bria looked like Tamar (who most orgers don't seem to find good looking) or someone not so attractive, she would be much less appreciated. | |
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No. But only because Mayte was a few years before widespread Web adoption. 
Seriously, tho - probably if you seriously looked back at the alt.music.prince or alt.prince archives (if anyone ever still looks at those things) you'd find the hate, circa the mid-90s. (Of course you'd also probably find some younger and even grumpier version of Alliasan from back then, and who would want to do that?!) | |
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VenusBlingBling said: If Bria looked like Tamar (who most orgers don't seem to find good looking) or someone not so attractive, she would be much less appreciated.
Right - that is common social dynamic that has impacted women since the dawn of civilization. In everyday life we see women regarded and considered on their physical beauty. Studies show that physically fit, good looking people tend to move up in their careers more freequently and rapidly than overweight, ugly people. It is the way the world has always been. Look at the top female pop singers and see how many arent attractive. There are few. On the other hand, you have marginal talents like Beyonce getting over more than they should based on a big butt and a smile. | |
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Brofie said: VenusBlingBling said: If Bria looked like Tamar (who most orgers don't seem to find good looking) or someone not so attractive, she would be much less appreciated.
Right - that is common social dynamic that has impacted women since the dawn of civilization. In everyday life we see women regarded and considered on their physical beauty. Studies show that physically fit, good looking people tend to move up in their careers more freequently and rapidly than overweight, ugly people. It is the way the world has always been. Look at the top female pop singers and see how many arent attractive. There are few. On the other hand, you have marginal talents like Beyonce getting over more than they should based on a big butt and a smile. This is deffinately a case of "video ruined the radio star". Joni Mitchell and her horsey face would not have gone as far as she did. But then there is chubby Adele...There is always the exception to the rule. | |
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prodigalfan said: dollwoman said: I think she was like a good sales girl. She was working more than one customer at a time. She was going to sell that thing to someone, anyone, with the right amount of cash. Prince bit first. I bet everthing that her comversion was the selling point. P is proud of his conversions and it looks better if he's dating a JW. Other JW's frown on dating outside their denomination. There aren't alot of girls that would go that far on a hope and a prayer. It's obvious at this point that there was no promise made by him.
Another thing I wonder is if Mani got the hate that Bria is getting? I get the feeling she wasn't deeply loved either. Mani stepped into the fire when there was an INFERNO raging in Purpledom. Prince and Mayte had lost a child, and by that time (or maybe even because of that) Mayte was liked in the purple camp by band members, girlfriends/wives etc. So Mani comes in and slides into the picture... Mani was not liked by insiders or fans online. She eventually won some people over and some people know ""what side of the bread is buttered", and made Mani feel welcomed because she was who Prince liked.. Right or wrong, it seems Prince was down after the loss of baby, and Mayte did not make him feel better. She was dealing with her own loss. Maleable Mani made Prince feel happy again... even if it was for a little while. Wow. Dead on. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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dollwoman said: My pure guess is that when it came time to promote Tamar Princes feelings for her had already changed. My guess is that when Prince made the deal with Target his feelings for Bria were still strong. I have not seen any new pictures of Bria with P. Had the deal with Target happened in 2009 maybe we'd see a two CD set. I am not sure. The pattern I see is that P promotes people more on a personal/emotional basis than on a talent or professional one. Some artists have never promoted ANYBODY besides themselves. Without P we wouldn't even know Tamar's name. She simply be "the backup girl on 3121". He has done more for backup singers than Bowie, Ferry, Elvis, MJ, and anybody else I can think of.
I love this last part... I never thought of that. Nice. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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Giovanni777 said: prodigalfan said: Mani stepped into the fire when there was an INFERNO raging in Purpledom. Prince and Mayte had lost a child, and by that time (or maybe even because of that) Mayte was liked in the purple camp by band members, girlfriends/wives etc. So Mani comes in and slides into the picture... Mani was not liked by insiders or fans online. She eventually won some people over and some people know ""what side of the bread is buttered", and made Mani feel welcomed because she was who Prince liked.. Right or wrong, it seems Prince was down after the loss of baby, and Mayte did not make him feel better. She was dealing with her own loss. Maleable Mani made Prince feel happy again... even if it was for a little while. Wow. Dead on.
That's life baby... whether it is the Purpledom, or Detroit. Out with the old, and on with the new. Either you are down with it, or you step off. Larry in the mix with a new religion (not that JW was new, but new to Prince) and Mayte not wanting to convert... Prince-N- Mayte didn't stand a chance. To be fair to Manuela.. if she didn't come along... there would have just been another "Manuela". I think this is why the insiders letitgo and just rolled with it. (disclaimer: I have been reading these boards for several years now... my observations are based on insider information only leaked on these boards and my own presumptions based on the stories.... I am no insider. )"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Giovanni777 said: dollwoman said: My pure guess is that when it came time to promote Tamar Princes feelings for her had already changed. My guess is that when Prince made the deal with Target his feelings for Bria were still strong. I have not seen any new pictures of Bria with P. Had the deal with Target happened in 2009 maybe we'd see a two CD set. I am not sure. The pattern I see is that P promotes people more on a personal/emotional basis than on a talent or professional one. Some artists have never promoted ANYBODY besides themselves. Without P we wouldn't even know Tamar's name. She simply be "the backup girl on 3121". He has done more for backup singers than Bowie, Ferry, Elvis, MJ, and anybody else I can think of.
I love this last part... I never thought of that. Nice. | |
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Vendetta1 said: Giovanni777 said: I love this last part... I never thought of that. Nice.  "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Brofie said: VenusBlingBling said: If Bria looked like Tamar (who most orgers don't seem to find good looking) or someone not so attractive, she would be much less appreciated.
Right - that is common social dynamic that has impacted women since the dawn of civilization. In everyday life we see women regarded and considered on their physical beauty. Studies show that physically fit, good looking people tend to move up in their careers more freequently and rapidly than overweight, ugly people. It is the way the world has always been. Look at the top female pop singers and see how many arent attractive. There are few. On the other hand, you have marginal talents like Beyonce getting over more than they should based on a big butt and a smile. I cant stand Tamar. Not her voice or attitude. But I dont think shes unnatractive and I belive there may have been something between her and Prince and to say that there isnt because she's not the "typical look" doesnt mean its not possible. But I would never call Tamar ugly. Her personality is wack but physically she is not ugly. And I think social standards need more acceptance in the beauty of Alek Wek she lasted, what a year? Fashion mag novelty when in actuality she is stunning. Beauty in the eye of the beholder thats why you should teach kids about intellect, personality and wit. Otherwise you're left with Bria.  | |
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salaciousV said: Brofie said: Right - that is common social dynamic that has impacted women since the dawn of civilization. In everyday life we see women regarded and considered on their physical beauty. Studies show that physically fit, good looking people tend to move up in their careers more freequently and rapidly than overweight, ugly people. It is the way the world has always been. Look at the top female pop singers and see how many arent attractive. There are few. On the other hand, you have marginal talents like Beyonce getting over more than they should based on a big butt and a smile. I cant stand Tamar. Not her voice or attitude. But I dont think shes unnatractive and I belive there may have been something between her and Prince and to say that there isnt because she's not the "typical look" doesnt mean its not possible. But I would never call Tamar ugly. Her personality is wack but physically she is not ugly. And I think social standards need more acceptance in the beauty of Alek Wek she lasted, what a year? Fashion mag novelty when in actuality she is stunning. Beauty in the eye of the beholder thats why you should teach kids about intellect, personality and wit. Otherwise you're left with Bria. you are too much. 
I thought Tamar was pretty but I didn't see her career going anwhere with Prince at the helm. Alek Wek is not pretty to me but her skin is unfuckingbelievably gorgeous like velvet. So um...yeah okay, i got nothin else to say ryte now. lemme think on it for a minute. | |
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Brofie said: zoetruluv said: i think the frustration comes from people who know things about how she got to where she is and what shes doing with all her new found "attention" and "power". i also think people saw tamar as a real talent who proved herself and then was basically twisted up in some bullshit that left her on a crazy head trip to the purple clouds and back down to reality. and then bria comes along,doesnt prove shit except that shes not worthy, and then ends up with an album with one of the most influential rockers of all time. it just doesnt add up. but thats how it is in this world. i just dont get how a man belonging to a religion that teaches that such things that are only alluring to the eye are worthless,takes this concept and uses it to impress his new love interest while trying to play his fanbase... its just outrageous to many. ...im getting too deep,lol. Singers like Tamar are a dime a dozen. If she was good enough to be something special, chances are she would be something special - with or without Prince. Infact, after theexposure that she did get with Prince, you would think that would still help her even more regardless of the fate of her album. If Prince wanted it released enough, he could have released it. He could put it on the net or stick it in the sleeve with one of hisas he did for Bria. But he didnt. That doesnt mean she is entitled or derserves anything - from Prince or anyone else. She got some good breaks (being with Prince on worldwide TV and singing on a a record with him) and some bad breaks (career dying on the vine and being left on the pile of old Prince projects that were flashes in the pan). Bria is there now. She will be gone soon enough as well. EVERY Prince chick has been. To transfer any hatred to Bria because one liked Tamar and feels she didnt get something she had coming is pure stupidity and most childish on the part of several fans in my opinion. what in the fuck are you talking about? i dont hate bria but even if i did, what does that have to do with me thinking tamar is a great singer and performer and more deserving than bria and whole lot of other acts that only make it because of their looks and connections? its my opinion. and if these acts are a dime dozen,why are we stuck with bria? why isnt the radio overflowing with strong voices? if anyone is a dime a dozen,its bria. honestly. theres many a hoe thats out there fucking for tracks and cant sing a lick. i used bria because this thread was built on a comparison in the first place. youre using an old protegee/wife and comparing them with a new protegee/girlfriend. why is so horrible that i use tamar? you wanted to know where the attitude of "what the fuck is this" came from when bria surfaced and i gave it to you. you may not like it but its true. i cant like tamar without hating bria? just because you hate tamar doesnt mean you have to like bria. get over yourself. if anyone is being imature,its you. youre not even thinking your argument fully through. shit,i dont even think youre reading my posts all the way thru. but its cool. when somebody mentions tamar,you always flip your shit. you really hate her and its evident through all your other posts. ...then he turned to me and said "I dare you". | |
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zoetruluv said: Brofie said: Singers like Tamar are a dime a dozen. If she was good enough to be something special, chances are she would be something special - with or without Prince. Infact, after theexposure that she did get with Prince, you would think that would still help her even more regardless of the fate of her album. If Prince wanted it released enough, he could have released it. He could put it on the net or stick it in the sleeve with one of hisas he did for Bria. But he didnt. That doesnt mean she is entitled or derserves anything - from Prince or anyone else. She got some good breaks (being with Prince on worldwide TV and singing on a a record with him) and some bad breaks (career dying on the vine and being left on the pile of old Prince projects that were flashes in the pan). Bria is there now. She will be gone soon enough as well. EVERY Prince chick has been. To transfer any hatred to Bria because one liked Tamar and feels she didnt get something she had coming is pure stupidity and most childish on the part of several fans in my opinion. what in the fuck are you talking about? i dont hate bria but even if i did, what does that have to do with me thinking tamar is a great singer and performer and more deserving than bria and whole lot of other acts that only make it because of their looks and connections? its my opinion. and if these acts are a dime dozen,why are we stuck with bria? why isnt the radio overflowing with strong voices? if anyone is a dime a dozen,its bria. honestly. theres many a hoe thats out there fucking for tracks and cant sing a lick. i used bria because this thread was built on a comparison in the first place. youre using an old protegee/wife and comparing them with a new protegee/girlfriend. why is so horrible that i use tamar? you wanted to know where the attitude of "what the fuck is this" came from when bria surfaced and i gave it to you. you may not like it but its true. i cant like tamar without hating bria? just because you hate tamar doesnt mean you have to like bria. get over yourself. if anyone is being imature,its you. youre not even thinking your argument fully through. shit,i dont even think youre reading my posts all the way thru. but its cool. when somebody mentions tamar,you always flip your shit. you really hate her and its evident through all your other posts. After Wendy and Lisa, Tamar is probably the most overrated Prince associate ever. She has proved this thus far. | |
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Brofie said: After Wendy and Lisa, Tamar is probably the most overrated Prince associate ever. She has proved this thus far.  Oh, well that's a brilliant statement! Where do you put Bria in the mix then? Is she better than W&L? | |
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zoetruluv said: Brofie said: Singers like Tamar are a dime a dozen. If she was good enough to be something special, chances are she would be something special - with or without Prince. Infact, after theexposure that she did get with Prince, you would think that would still help her even more regardless of the fate of her album. If Prince wanted it released enough, he could have released it. He could put it on the net or stick it in the sleeve with one of hisas he did for Bria. But he didnt. That doesnt mean she is entitled or derserves anything - from Prince or anyone else. She got some good breaks (being with Prince on worldwide TV and singing on a a record with him) and some bad breaks (career dying on the vine and being left on the pile of old Prince projects that were flashes in the pan). Bria is there now. She will be gone soon enough as well. EVERY Prince chick has been. To transfer any hatred to Bria because one liked Tamar and feels she didnt get something she had coming is pure stupidity and most childish on the part of several fans in my opinion. what in the fuck are you talking about? i dont hate bria but even if i did, what does that have to do with me thinking tamar is a great singer and performer and more deserving than bria and whole lot of other acts that only make it because of their looks and connections? its my opinion. and if these acts are a dime dozen,why are we stuck with bria? why isnt the radio overflowing with strong voices? if anyone is a dime a dozen,its bria. honestly. theres many a hoe thats out there fucking for tracks and cant sing a lick. i used bria because this thread was built on a comparison in the first place. youre using an old protegee/wife and comparing them with a new protegee/girlfriend. why is so horrible that i use tamar? you wanted to know where the attitude of "what the fuck is this" came from when bria surfaced and i gave it to you. you may not like it but its true. i cant like tamar without hating bria? just because you hate tamar doesnt mean you have to like bria. get over yourself. if anyone is being imature,its you. youre not even thinking your argument fully through. shit,i dont even think youre reading my posts all the way thru. but its cool. when somebody mentions tamar,you always flip your shit. you really hate her and its evident through all your other posts.  | |
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Vendetta1 said: Giovanni777 said: I love this last part... I never thought of that. Nice. I didn't think that MJ did anything to promote Cheryl's career. Did he help produce her first release? Did he write any songs for her? Did he allow her to do solo's during his concerts? I don't have answers to these questions. When I say promote I mean more than just letting a talented singer sing backup for you. I mean playing a sizable part in giving them a chance at an independent career of their own. | |
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Vendetta1 said: Giovanni777 said: I love this last part... I never thought of that. Nice. Good point on Luther, except that he had also gained a lot of ground in his lead vocals in Change. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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