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Printableairbak said: GREAT POST Bella! I think Lezama would rather hide behind flawed, quasi-philosophical doublespeak than acknowledge the fact that you can objectively listen to music. When I said that Tamar's album was MUCH better, this is my opinion derived from the facts that I spelled out. Also, the argument concerning Tibetans is completely ridiculous. Although we speak different languages/dialects, there are universal principles and truths that we share in common. This is not only germane to the West. I'm done with this topic. Oh... I get it, "quasi-philosophical doublespeak" means youre too lazy to sit and think about the issue seriously. If the Tibetan example was too out there for you, I'll give you something practical to do. Go out and get your hands on some Ethiopian music (traditional or contemporary it doesnt matter) and "objectively" listen to it. Then give a copy of St. Pepper to an Ethiopian and let him "objectively" listen to it. And finish by writing a review of the ethiopian album and let the Ethiopian write a review of St. Pepper and let your "universal principles and truths" come into agreement about the quality of the artists and the music. Change it one more time.. | |
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salaciousV said: I personally do not like Tamar or her album (she had stank attitude with some of us fans in NY) so it soured my grapes on her. But! Her voice and depth overshadow any other protege to date. Only Shelby could take that from her.
I liked Tamar's album and defended it on these threads two years ago against people who were saying she couldn't sing. I have high hopes for Shelby's album though. Vocally youre right, she could blow all the other proteges away. Change it one more time.. | |
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lezama said: salaciousV said: I personally do not like Tamar or her album (she had stank attitude with some of us fans in NY) so it soured my grapes on her. But! Her voice and depth overshadow any other protege to date. Only Shelby could take that from her.
I liked Tamar's album and defended it on these threads two years ago against people who were saying she couldn't sing. I have high hopes for Shelby's album though. Vocally youre right, she could blow all the other proteges away. Dont you think though, that Tamar being the best vocally for Prince is still just blah compared to the real world? I dont think Tamar can hold a candle to Jazmine Sullivan for example in warmth, tone or richness. | |
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I prefer the energy of the performance on "Sunday in the Park," "Kept Woman," "Redhead Stepchild," "All I Want Is U," and "Beautiful Loved and Blessed" over most of what is on "Elixir." [Edited 4/5/09 16:32pm] "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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Most people here seem 2 prefer Tamar's album.
Now how come I have this weird feeling that if Tamar's album had been released & Bria's hadn't, most people would prefer Bria's album? 
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salaciousV said: lezama said: I liked Tamar's album and defended it on these threads two years ago against people who were saying she couldn't sing. I have high hopes for Shelby's album though. Vocally youre right, she could blow all the other proteges away. Dont you think though, that Tamar being the best vocally for Prince is still just blah compared to the real world? I dont think Tamar can hold a candle to Jazmine Sullivan for example in warmth, tone or richness. I guess it depends. People like Jazmine or Ledisi can out-sing her easily in the sense youre talking about. Its because she has that type of voice, kinda young girlish like. Its technically good but not very warm. But i think she can outsing Ashanti, or Amerie or Rihana or one of those girls. And it also depends on what kinda song she's given. Two of my favorite tracks off her album is "All I want is U" & "Sunday in the Park" and I love the way she sings them, but if I think about how Shelby would have sounded singing them it ruins it because I'm comparing two very different voice types. I think maybe one of the reasons why no label picked either of her albums up (Prince's or the one made with Kwame) might have something to do with the lack of warmth to her voice. I mean, thats speculation on my part, but I can't see with all the crap there is out there on the radio no one could appreciate some of those tracks. Change it one more time.. | |
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madcapxtc said: Most people here seem 2 prefer Tamar's album.
Now how come I have this weird feeling that if Tamar's album had been released & Bria's hadn't, most people would prefer Bria's album?
LOL, I wouldn't.  "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Enjoyed Bria's album after one spin. It's a pretty simply collection, that doesn't get too bogged down. Tamar's record did nothing for me. I prefer Tamar's look and attitude though. | |
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airbak said: After objectively listening to both albums here are my conclusions:
1) Bria can hold a note but has EXTREMELY limited vocal range - listen to the lack of confident or creative adlibs throughout her album in comparison with Tamar's. 2) Bria's album lacks the energy that Tamar's had. Compare the two versions of "Kept Woman." Even Prince's guitar playing is MUCH better on Tamar's version as he seems more inspired by the creativity and attitude of her vocals versus Bria's. Tamar definitely gave him more to work with vocally and he fed off of her well. 3) Tamar's album flows through different musical styles (Rock, Jazz, R&B, Contemporary Gospel), which demonstrates her versatility as a vocalist. 4) Tamar's album exhibits more personality and soul, as I found Bria's album flat and overall pretty boring. 5) The track "Elixir" is saved ONLY by Prince's lush lyrics and he seems to show up the milktoast vocals of Bria who seems to NEVER match his intensity and leaves me wishing he had anyone but her, sing the song with him. 6) "Here I Come" is memorable for Prince's music only and could have been sung by anyone. Sade can hold a note but has a limited vocal range. Black female singers will learn one day that having the biggest and loudest mouth isnt always great singing. Tamar could sing and certainly seems to have more technical singing ability than Bria - but she was diffiult to listen to for more than 5 minutes. That is why her album didnt see the light of day. Not even Prince's music can make that voice not grate on the listener after a while. Being ordinary in the looks department wasnt a help either - unfair but true. | |
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Brofie said: airbak said: After objectively listening to both albums here are my conclusions:
1) Bria can hold a note but has EXTREMELY limited vocal range - listen to the lack of confident or creative adlibs throughout her album in comparison with Tamar's. 2) Bria's album lacks the energy that Tamar's had. Compare the two versions of "Kept Woman." Even Prince's guitar playing is MUCH better on Tamar's version as he seems more inspired by the creativity and attitude of her vocals versus Bria's. Tamar definitely gave him more to work with vocally and he fed off of her well. 3) Tamar's album flows through different musical styles (Rock, Jazz, R&B, Contemporary Gospel), which demonstrates her versatility as a vocalist. 4) Tamar's album exhibits more personality and soul, as I found Bria's album flat and overall pretty boring. 5) The track "Elixir" is saved ONLY by Prince's lush lyrics and he seems to show up the milktoast vocals of Bria who seems to NEVER match his intensity and leaves me wishing he had anyone but her, sing the song with him. 6) "Here I Come" is memorable for Prince's music only and could have been sung by anyone. Sade can hold a note but has a limited vocal range. Black female singers will learn one day that having the biggest and loudest mouth isnt always great singing. Tamar could sing and certainly seems to have more technical singing ability than Bria - but she was diffiult to listen to for more than 5 minutes. That is why her album didnt see the light of day. Not even Prince's music can make that voice not grate on the listener after a while. Being ordinary in the looks department wasnt a help either - unfair but true. No,that is NOT why her album "didn't see the light of day"  Tamar is a talented vocalist who was in a bad (professional) situation,but that has nothing to do with her talent.The only reason Bria's album was released is because Prince pitied her and decided to include it a bonus with his own new CDs.More than likely,most people are gonna use it a coaster.
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SoulAlive said: Brofie said: Sade can hold a note but has a limited vocal range. Black female singers will learn one day that having the biggest and loudest mouth isnt always great singing. Tamar could sing and certainly seems to have more technical singing ability than Bria - but she was diffiult to listen to for more than 5 minutes. That is why her album didnt see the light of day. Not even Prince's music can make that voice not grate on the listener after a while. Being ordinary in the looks department wasnt a help either - unfair but true. No,that is NOT why her album "didn't see the light of day" Tamar is a talented vocalist who was in a bad (professional) situation,but that has nothing to do with her talent.The only reason Bria's album was released is because Prince pitied her and decided to include it a bonus with his own new CDs.More than likely,most people are gonna use it a coaster.
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I was just having this conversation with a friend..
I have nothing against Bria, her style is just not my style I was only thinking how much better Tamar's album fit in with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound. The different styles of songs on Tamar's album, the album cover with Tamar sporting the fro, it all just fit in sooo much better with Prince's vibe on this project. oh well, no sense crying over spilled milk, but my 2 cents  | |
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Brofie said: Sade can hold a note but has a limited vocal range. Black female singers will learn one day that having the biggest and loudest mouth isnt always great singing. Tamar could sing and certainly seems to have more technical singing ability than Bria - but she was diffiult to listen to for more than 5 minutes. That is why her album didnt see the light of day. Not even Prince's music can make that voice not grate on the listener after a while. Being ordinary in the looks department wasnt a help either - unfair but true. Brofie, what do you have against black female singers? On another thread where you referred to Bria as a major upgrade from Tamar, you also referred to Aretha as unattractive. Are black female singers the only ones with the "biggest and loudest mouth[s]" as you put it? There are several white singers like Janis Joplin and Christina Aguilera who have made names for themselves and a nice bit of pocket change emulating those "big and loud" mouths. I am not saying that any of this equates to great singing, but let's not limit it to race. Why couldn't you just say that some singers will learn...? I'm not trying to start a fight, but you seem fixated on "black female singers" in a negative way. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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JEDINATION said: I was just having this conversation with a friend..
I have nothing against Bria, her style is just not my style I was only thinking how much better Tamar's album fit in with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound. The different styles of songs on Tamar's album, the album cover with Tamar sporting the fro, it all just fit in sooo much better with Prince's vibe on this project. oh well, no sense crying over spilled milk, but my 2 cents Not crying over spilled milk either, but I agree with your assessment. I hadn't thought about it in terms of the package, but I do think the diverse styles on Milk & Honey would have fit well with this project - the new galaxy thing. Some of the songs could have used some tweaking, but I could see it. Maybe Bria's album might have fit better with 3121 as the late-night chill side of the house party. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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Ok how can you compare when TAMARS album was never released??? | |
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one2vibe said: Ok how can you compare when TAMARS album was never released???
We can compare because some of us have Tamar's album and have heard it in its entirety. Some copies were pressed and released before it got trashed. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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bellanoche said: JEDINATION said: I was just having this conversation with a friend..
I have nothing against Bria, her style is just not my style I was only thinking how much better Tamar's album fit in with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound. The different styles of songs on Tamar's album, the album cover with Tamar sporting the fro, it all just fit in sooo much better with Prince's vibe on this project. oh well, no sense crying over spilled milk, but my 2 cents Not crying over spilled milk either, but I agree with your assessment. I hadn't thought about it in terms of the package, but I do think the diverse styles on Milk & Honey would have fit well with this project - the new galaxy thing. Some of the songs could have used some tweaking, but I could see it. Maybe Bria's album might have fit better with 3121 as the late-night chill side of the house party. co-sign  | |
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one2vibe said: Ok how can you compare when TAMARS album was never released???
Yeah, some promo copies have even been sent 2 the press. Believe me it's VERY EASY 2 find this album. | |
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madcapxtc said: one2vibe said: Ok how can you compare when TAMARS album was never released???
Yeah, some promo copies have even been sent 2 the press. Believe me it's VERY EASY 2 find this album. Really? i cannot find it anywhere.  She Believed in Fairytales and Princes, He Believed the voices coming from his stereo
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Check ebay Tamar Milk and honey. But i like Bria's Album way better. just a better vibe and mood. more smooth tamar is cool but lack that prince girl elements. know what i mean?
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You just google Tamar "milk and honey"  The third result is already a place to download it. | |
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