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PrintablePurpleCharm said: tat2s said: I saw the bria video - H O R R I B L E 'talent'
it's an insult 2 b called a Prince protegee, if P ever comes 2 u and says 2 u that he wants to mentor u, write u songs, take u on tour, or direct something all that means in his world is "Eye want to sleep with u" It's the equivalent 2 a regular man asking a regular girl out on a date. It does **not** mean u r talented..... the only talented protegee he's ever had is Sheila E. All these women are is marketing tools for his 'persona' and an temp ego lift 4 his lonely life after Mayte... Eye want to state for the record that I DETEST Mayte, but damn it at least they looked good together and he adored her - probably the only woman he should be with. It was not just a relationship Prince+Mayte was a BRAND  Hello?? anyone home??
Hey Mayte, I'm not of fan of u, but damn it get back with him. Make him happy. ur broke, ur getting older, u dont have a career, u can own his masters when he passes away (=$$$$), with all his money you could become an independent producer and attach yourself to tv shows to act in lol u could be like Pricilla Presley - some bi!cHeZ r just dumb 
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M.O.S.T. H.I.L.A.R.I.O.U.S. T.H.R.E.A.D. E.V.E.R 
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Of course, Prince probably views the human voice as just one of the instruments being used on a composition and not necessarily the primary one. Many of his songs on his own albums highlight other instruments as much more more than a voice. But yeah--he wants to fuck her.  | |
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Not that it really matters but I read on another site that he was helping her as a favor to her Dad who is a long time friend of Prince not sure how true this is but I think her dad's name was Ed Fuentes ( i think can't remember) I don't think every girl Prince has worked with he has slept with and every girl he has slept with he's done a record for. I agree with the sane peeps on here about this cd it is really bad so bad that it had to be sold with Prince's just for people to buy it and maybe give it a listen. I tried I really did to listen to it but it was so bad. I think if they played it underground Osama Bin Laden would turn himself in. I also agree she wants to be a public figure so people are going to talk and some will be good but I bet that most will be bad. I hope she proves us wrong and gets on a stage and sings her heart out but I bet that won't happen and when it doesn't I'll throw myself a bash at a place I choose.  Proverbs 23:9 | |
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PurpleKnight said: salaciousV said: Sheila had a career before Prince Exactly. She has in no way relied on him. Writing one or two hit singles doesn't constitute developing one's career. Sheila is the only one who has maintained a real career in the music industry because she was an actual musician before Prince. Prince did not pluck her from obscurity and try to make her a musician. Of course, you cannot deny that her association with P made her a household name, but she did not need him to have a successful musical career. She had already performed and toured with musical legends before ever hooking up with P. He actually courted her to become a part of his camp. If you saw the interview that Candy Dulfer did with Sheila, Sheila talked about how when they met he told her that he already knew who she was becuase he had followed her career. He asked her how much she charged as a drummer, and said he could not afford her at that time. Once he got the cheddar, he nabbed her. So, though she benefitted from being with P, she did not need him. Most of these other "proteges" needed P to get into the biz, "music" was just their stepping stone to movies, TV, or whatever fame that could grab. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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Billmenever said: Brofie said: Because they didnt have enough talent to get anywhere on their own. SO that take the offer from Prince, get noticed, become semi-famous for a year, and try to parlay that into a career. Tamar was the best example of how that doesnt work unless you are remarkable and lucky - she was neither. Some people are just plain out tacky with remarks. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but dang ya'll.  I don't think those remarks are tacky at all.It's the truth! | |
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PurpleKnight said: There is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion. Prince packaged and sold Bria Valente as an artist to the public. Therefore, we have every right to criticize.
For all his genius, Prince has not successfully nurtured the career of a single female artist. The problem is that he always chooses his protegees superficially based on their image and then superimposes his sound on their albums while ignoring the problem of their limited vocal abilities. He also writes standard songs for them where each woman plays the same tired role of a sexual female longing for a man to enthral and satisfy her.  | |
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Any protege that comes on should have a respect for the protege years of the 80's
They should study their music their videos their looks They should understand the vision Prince had during that time and figure how as a 2000 protege they can fit into what Prince is doing now A lot of Prince music for a while hasn't had a focused direction that a lot of the earlier music did even up to Diamonds & Pearls But getting a feel of not only the 80's music but Rainbow Children 3121(the songs) and LotusFlow3r/Minneapolis Sound and pull out what they feel would enhance the Prince scene as a protege | |
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PurpleKnight said: There is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion. Prince packaged and sold Bria Valente as an artist to the public. Therefore, we have every right to criticize.
For all his genius, Prince has not successfully nurtured the career of a single female artist. The problem is that he always chooses his protegees superficially based on their image and then superimposes his sound on their albums while ignoring the problem of their limited vocal abilities. He also writes standard songs for them where each woman plays the same tired role of a sexual female longing for a man to enthral and satisfy her. i agree!!! | |
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salaciousV said: lezama said: Sheila E's not successful? Sheila had a career before Prince The majority of Prince's protege's had "careers" before him. Thats not the issue. The issue is where were they and what was their status in their industry before he came along? There are hundreds of drummers out there, very few have become household names. And absolutely no one can deny that Prince is entirely responsible for her becoming a household name. Change it one more time.. | |
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Also, the earlier proteges for the most part started out with Prince. (his vision helped make them)
But when Prince was still a no one or just trying to make it himself, the people that became proteges were already his friends, fellow musicians, coworkers bellanoche said: PurpleKnight said: Exactly. She has in no way relied on him. Writing one or two hit singles doesn't constitute developing one's career. Sheila is the only one who has maintained a real career in the music industry because she was an actual musician before Prince. Prince did not pluck her from obscurity and try to make her a musician. Of course, you cannot deny that her association with P made her a household name, but she did not need him to have a successful musical career. She had already performed and toured with musical legends before ever hooking up with P. He actually courted her to become a part of his camp. If you saw the interview that Candy Dulfer did with Sheila, Sheila talked about how when they met he told her that he already knew who she was becuase he had followed her career. He asked her how much she charged as a drummer, and said he could not afford her at that time. Once he got the cheddar, he nabbed her. So, though she benefitted from being with P, she did not need him. Most of these other "proteges" needed P to get into the biz, "music" was just their stepping stone to movies, TV, or whatever fame that could grab. | |
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PurpleKnight said: salaciousV said: Sheila had a career before Prince Exactly. She has in no way relied on him. Writing one or two hit singles doesn't constitute developing one's career. I didn't say she "relied on" him. Of course she does and has done her own thing for a long time now and has her own shows, had her own club etc... But you said that Prince has never nurtured a female protege, but he did precisely that with Sheila. You can count the number of musicians who have worked with him as or more often since '83 on a few fingers. Drummers only in rare occasions become "stars", because they're too often in the background and the lead performers generally like to hog the spotlight for themselves. When she works with Prince, he consistently puts her in the spotlight, raising her "star" status. She benefits from that every time she performs elsewhere. And he does that because they've remained friends and he truly respects her. I think thats the key ingredient to whether he has meaningful longterm relationships with the people he works with or not. [Edited 4/7/09 18:29pm] Change it one more time.. | |
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lezama said: salaciousV said: Sheila had a career before Prince The majority of Prince's protege's had "careers" before him. Can u name them and what they did? thisgonnabegood  [Edited 4/7/09 19:39pm] | |
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tat2s said: lezama said: The majority of Prince's protege's had "careers" before him. Can u name them and what they did? thisgonnabegood
[Edited 4/7/09 19:39pm] perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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lezama said: salaciousV said: Sheila had a career before Prince The majority of Prince's protege's had "careers" before him. Thats not the issue. The issue is where were they and what was their status in their industry before he came along? There are hundreds of drummers out there, very few have become household names. And absolutely no one can deny that Prince is entirely responsible for her becoming a household name. sheila is one of the best drummers in the world. prince put her in the spotlight but if she was like the others she would have crumpled just like they did. as several people have mentioned, sheila was already successful on her own before prince and she has continued to be successful without him. no, she's not a "pop star" like she was when prince wrote albums for her, but that's never been what she's about. sheila is a musician first. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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lezama said: PurpleKnight said: Exactly. She has in no way relied on him. Writing one or two hit singles doesn't constitute developing one's career. I didn't say she "relied on" him. Of course she does and has done her own thing for a long time now and has her own shows, had her own club etc... But you said that Prince has never nurtured a female protege, but he did precisely that with Sheila. You can count the number of musicians who have worked with him as or more often since '83 on a few fingers. Drummers only in rare occasions become "stars", because they're too often in the background and the lead performers generally like to hog the spotlight for themselves. When she works with Prince, he consistently puts her in the spotlight, raising her "star" status. She benefits from that every time she performs elsewhere. And he does that because they've remained friends and he truly respects her. I think thats the key ingredient to whether he has meaningful longterm relationships with the people he works with or not. [Edited 4/7/09 18:29pm] i think sheila taught prince a lot about drumming and you can hear the things he picked up from her if you listen to 'parade' and most of his live drumming since. seriously, check out her solos during the 'sott' tour and then listen to every time prince has sat down behind the kit since 1987. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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pop in the 'sott' concert movie. skip to sheila's solo. check out those hits right at the end of her solo right before the horns start up again.
i swear, i don't think prince can hit a drum anymore without stealing that lick. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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stanleylieber said: lezama said: The majority of Prince's protege's had "careers" before him. Thats not the issue. The issue is where were they and what was their status in their industry before he came along? There are hundreds of drummers out there, very few have become household names. And absolutely no one can deny that Prince is entirely responsible for her becoming a household name. sheila is one of the best drummers in the world. prince put her in the spotlight but if she was like the others she would have crumpled just like they did. as several people have mentioned, sheila was already successful on her own before prince and she has continued to be successful without him. no, she's not a "pop star" like she was when prince wrote albums for her, but that's never been what she's about. sheila is a musician first. I agree with this. She had played with greats like Santana, Marvin Gaye, Lionel Ritchie and George Duke among others before she hooked up with Prince. I also think that is why Sheila gets so much love from a lot of P fans. Unlike these other women, she really is the total package - talent, brains and beauty. She never came off as a "taker" or a "climber." I never got that "user" or fame lust vibe from Sheila. She seemed to really be about the music, and the connection that she and P formed because of that was dynamite. They were so in sync musically that it was electric to watch them together or listen to them together. That's another reason why their collaborations are among the most highly regarded of his protege output. Sightly OT: Of all the people who have come and gone from the Prince camp, Sheila is the one who always brings a smile to my face when she and P perform together. I never get tired of seeing those two. They have such a wonderful chemistry. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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Today Perez Hilton just reported that Salma Hayek and Prince dated at one point, and how they too once 'worked' together  [Edited 4/9/09 19:43pm] | |
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mayrain said: Not that it really matters but I read on another site that he was helping her as a favor to her Dad who is a long time friend of Prince not sure how true this is
u should really post your sources instead of spreading rumors | |
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tats said
u should really post your sources instead of spreading rumors
u r such a hipocrite! u just spreaded a rumor from perez hilton!!!!! | |
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muycaliente said: tats said
u should really post your sources instead of spreading rumors
u r such a hipocrite! u just spreaded a rumor from perez hilton!!!!! ummm I posted the SOURCE and its NOT a rumor it is FACT   | |
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tat2s said: I saw the bria video - H O R R I B L E 'talent'
it's an insult 2 b called a Prince protegee, if P ever comes 2 u and says 2 u that he wants to mentor u, write u songs, take u on tour, or direct something all that means in his world is "Eye want to sleep with u" It's the equivalent 2 a regular man asking a regular girl out on a date. It does **not** mean u r talented..... the only talented protegee he's ever had is Sheila E. All these women are is marketing tools for his 'persona' and an temp ego lift 4 his lonely life after Mayte... Eye want to state for the record that I DETEST Mayte, but damn it at least they looked good together and he adored her - probably the only woman he should be with. It was not just a relationship Prince+Mayte was a BRAND Hello?? anyone home??
Hey Mayte, I'm not of fan of u, but damn it get back with him. Make him happy. ur broke, ur getting older, u dont have a career, u can own his masters when he passes away (=$$$$), with all his money you could become an independent producer and attach yourself to tv shows to act in lol u could be like Pricilla Presley - some bi!cHeZ r just dumb
[Edited 4/2/09 21:22pm] DAMN!!!! Now that's what I call some high quality, Grade A, hateration!I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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tats said
u should really post your sources instead of spreading rumors
u r such a hipocrite! u just spreaded a rumor from perez hilton!!!!! ummm I posted the SOURCE and its NOT a rumor it is FACT 2 all the haters on the internet, some1 is ;looking at u, NO MORE CANDY 4 U!!!!! 
STOP BEING A HATER, TAT2S ITS NOT CUTE  | |
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muycaliente said:[quote]tats said
]STOP BEING A HATER, TAT2S ITS NOT CUTE
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I decided to revive this topic please keep posting below
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Advice to the next protege?
DON'T DO IT GIRL! | |
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Message 2 the *NEXT* prince Protegee...
Don't give up the coochie until AFTER you've atleast went gold!  surviving on the thought of loving you, it's just like the water
I ain't felt this way in years... | |
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stanleylieber said: lezama said: The majority of Prince's protege's had "careers" before him. Thats not the issue. The issue is where were they and what was their status in their industry before he came along? There are hundreds of drummers out there, very few have become household names. And absolutely no one can deny that Prince is entirely responsible for her becoming a household name. sheila is one of the best drummers in the world. prince put her in the spotlight but if she was like the others she would have crumpled just like they did. as several people have mentioned, sheila was already successful on her own before prince and she has continued to be successful without him. no, she's not a "pop star" like she was when prince wrote albums for her, but that's never been what she's about. sheila is a musician first. Precisely. I walk into music schools and see this woman's endorsement photos all over the place. I think it's pretty fair to say that the woman would have been one of the top female drummers/percussionists in the music industry and widely respected by her peers regardless of had there ever been a Glamourous Life, or not. No doubt the time she spent collaborating and touring with Prince brought a level of fame and noteriety in the public sector. But this is a woman who cut her teeth on George Duke, for god's sake. With or without Prince she clearly would have the chops to work with the Lionel Ritchies and the Ringo Starrs and the Cyndi Laupers and the Gloria Estefans just fine, sessions, touring, or otherwise and would have the respect of her musical peers. If you talk to musicians they don't give a flip about her playing with Prince, they just know that she's a bad ass, period. | |
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I really liked Shelby J on indigo nights and he should have given her the C.D. instead of Bria. Unfortunately giving the C.D. to Shelby over one's potential new Mrs. would not go over well. I think he did a simular thing with Rosie Gaines vs. Carmen Electra. He could learn a thing or two from Susan Boyles instant success. She is getting alot more attention then Bria and she doesn't yet have a C.D. never mind a video. I guess when a lady he is interested in shows an interest in being recorded he just can not say no. | |
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Have a back up plan!!! And a back up man!! | |
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