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Printableglazegirl said: bria and tamar are just different stylistically. bria's voice is more "pop" than tamar's. not better, just more "pop." besides, isn't prince still working with tamar? i thought i saw her name in the liner notes for either lotusflow3r or mplsound on the new website.
yes he is...tamar will resurface soon. I think she shoulda chucked him but oh well. still luv there...i suppose. | |
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Brofie said: glazegirl said: bria and tamar are just different stylistically. bria's voice is more "pop" than tamar's. not better, just more "pop." besides, isn't prince still working with tamar? i thought i saw her name in the liner notes for either lotusflow3r or mplsound on the new website.
The fact thast her album is released - and with 2 Prince albums no less - makes her a bigger success than Tamar already. Face it - people were not feeling Tamar - even when Prince backed her on her own tour. Remember the fallout after that Good MOrning America gig when Prince wore the pink suit and Tamar had on some hideous blue thing that made her thighs look like Earl Campbell's? Hey, female singers are going to judged on looks more thna ever these days. You think someone as unattractive as Aretha Franklin would get a shot today unless they came through American Idol? Tamar was becoming the new Larry Graham - real fans like me were getting tired of Prince featuring her and acting like her sideman. I think he got smart and didnt present Bria onstage with him because the Tamar experiment showed just how impossible it is to be onstage with Prince and expect peope to give a dam about what youre doing. I never understood how anyone was going to act like they were actually paying money to go see Tamar when they knew Prince would be there. I mean could you say that you would have gone to see her without Prince? Thank goodness you're only speaking for yourself.  Because I enjoyed Tamar's vocals and performances with Prince. She is an artist in her own right and had a music career that started with being part of a young, girl group named "Girls Tyme" which included Beyonce and other members of Destiny's child, that Prince at one time wanted to sign, so the story goes. She also had her own band, with Cora as her drummer before she collaborated with Prince, so she's already had a singing career that started when she was very young. She'll be fine. On Prince's latest albums "lotusflow3r, Tamar's name is credited as doing vocals on either one or two tracks, so the collaboration is still there obviously between them, even if it's not seen publically.
You need to remember that the "manufactured" artists of today, with the so-called good looks, apparently don't seem to last very long in this day and age, especially if they fall off the image the so-called BS music industry today wants to put out there. Aretha, Patti, Mavis Staples, Diana, just to name a few etc., and r&b/soul singers from that time are legendary artists that had a long career and have classics that will always be remembered, long before the music business turned into creating "manufactured" artists, that no one will remember 5 years from now, but only for one or maybe two of their hits, if any at all. Talent does count in the end when you get an artist with "real talent" and can last in this industry more than 10 years with a solid, music career. You have artists from non-black and African-American backgrounds trying to emulate the Arethas, Dianas, Patti's and Mavis', but they'll never measure up to them unless they can bring it strong and have capturing stage presence and performance. Being "pretty" is not enough. It's really not hard to tell that you have an issue with "a certain type" of female artist, but remember, that there are many young female artists, trying to capture the fame and longevity of a music career, by emulating the sounds, rhythms and vibes of these same legendary artists you don't seem to speak too kindly of, as just judging from the way you come across in your post, you just seem to have an issue with a "certain" type, based on what I'm getting from your posts. Bria's career is young still, and she has to be able to impress fans, not only with her beauty, but her talent, which is the main thing that counts. Can she be a Sade and reel in the same amount of fans Sade still has to this day, although Sade has taken a backseat to her career, but yet fans all over the world still crave for her sounds? So far, Bria does have a nice singing voice, but she will have to create her own persona regardless if Prince is promoting her or not, in order to capture a large fan base and become successful in her own right. Prince can stand on his own because he's already developed a massive fan base and music catalogue over the span of 30 years. Right now, she has a major artist promoting her, so that may help to jump start her career, but let's see how long she is able to make it last if she was headlined alone without Prince. I wish her the same well wishes as Tamar, as they are both artists who have had the opportunity to be promoted by Prince, but the results of their career, will depend on how many fans they can capture with their "talent." [Edited 3/27/09 18:27pm] | |
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glazegirl said: bria and tamar are just different stylistically. bria's voice is more "pop" than tamar's. not better, just more "pop." besides, isn't prince still working with tamar? i thought i saw her name in the liner notes for either lotusflow3r or mplsound on the new website.
You did, as I saw her name there too. Nice to know they still collaborate musically. | |
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2elijah said: Brofie said: The fact thast her album is released - and with 2 Prince albums no less - makes her a bigger success than Tamar already. Face it - people were not feeling Tamar - even when Prince backed her on her own tour. Remember the fallout after that Good MOrning America gig when Prince wore the pink suit and Tamar had on some hideous blue thing that made her thighs look like Earl Campbell's? Hey, female singers are going to judged on looks more thna ever these days. You think someone as unattractive as Aretha Franklin would get a shot today unless they came through American Idol? Tamar was becoming the new Larry Graham - real fans like me were getting tired of Prince featuring her and acting like her sideman. I think he got smart and didnt present Bria onstage with him because the Tamar experiment showed just how impossible it is to be onstage with Prince and expect peope to give a dam about what youre doing. I never understood how anyone was going to act like they were actually paying money to go see Tamar when they knew Prince would be there. I mean could you say that you would have gone to see her without Prince? Thank goodness you're only speaking for yourself. Because I enjoyed Tamar's vocals and performances with Prince. She is an artist in her own right and had a music career that started with being part of a young, girl group named "Girls Tyme" which included Beyonce and other members of Destiny's child, that Prince at one time wanted to sign, so the story goes. She also had her own band, with Cora as her drummer before she collaborated with Prince, so she's already had a singing career that started when she was very young. She'll be fine. On Prince's latest albums "lotusflow3r, Tamar's name is credited as doing vocals on either one or two tracks, so the collaboration is still there obviously between them, even if it's not seen publically.
You need to remember that the "manufactured" artists of today, with the so-called good looks, apparently don't seem to last very long in this day and age, especially if they fall off the image the so-called BS music industry today wants to put out there. Aretha, Patti, Mavis Staples, Diana, just to name a few etc., and r&b/soul singers from that time are legendary artists that had a long career and have classics that will always be remembered, long before the music business turned into creating "manufactured" artists, that no one will remember 5 years from now, but only for one or maybe two of their hits, if any at all. Talent does count in the end when you get an artist with "real talent" and can last in this industry more than 10 years with a solid, music career. You have artists from non-black and African-American backgrounds trying to emulate the Arethas, Dianas, Patti's and Mavis', but they'll never measure up to them unless they can bring it strong and have capturing stage presence and performance. Being "pretty". It's really not hard to tell that you have an issue with "a certain type" of female artists. But remember, that there are many young female artists, trying to capture the fame and longevity of a music career, by emulating the sounds, rhythms and vibes of these same legendary artist you don't seem to speak to kindly of, as just judging from the way you come across in your post, you seem to have an issue with a "certain" type based on what I'm getting from your posts. Bria's career is young still, and she has to be able to impress fans, not only with her beauty, but her talent, which is the main thing that counts. Can she be a Sade and reel in the same amount of fans Sade still has to this day, although Sade has taken a backseat to her career, but yet fans all over the world still crave for her sounds? So far, Bria does have a nice singing voice, but she will have to create her own persona regardless if Prince is promoting her or not, in order to capture a large fan base and become successful in her own right. Prince can stand on his own because he's already developed a massive fan base and music catalogue over the span of 30 years. Right now, she has a major artist promoting her, so that may help to jump start her career, but let's see how long she is able to make it last if she was headlined alone without Prince. I wish her the same well wishes as Tamar, as they are both artists who have had the opportunity to be promoted by Prince, but the results of their career, will depend on how many fans they can capture with their "talent." LOL! Take 'em to school sis... He or she is certainly speaking for themselves. I was at 2 of those Tamar shows and they were excellent. As soon as I see someone say "real fans like me" I know it's safe to totally disregard anything they have to say. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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WaterInYourBath said: Huggiebear said: Well about them being manufactured thats right, but she must have done something right to have Prince release her album with his own. Reminds me of Barry White and Glodean white from Love Unlimited and Rick James and his protege Teena Marie
What, look the way she does? What else? I recognize it's getting increasingly difficult to be totally original vocally these days, but her voice is not new or unusual, or even distinctive. Presumably, her appearance was his main motivation. I highly doubt Bria would have a released album today if she did not have those recurring "Prince-girl" physical features.
LOL, and sure she may be trying to sound like Chante Moore on her tracks, but all of these other comparisons are still ludicrous. First Sade. Then Amel Larrieux. And now Teena Marie?  Are U folks really serious? Why even mention unique and adept singers like them in any of these threads anymore? Sheesh.....Take away Prince's studio enhancement, and wait and view how Bria performs live before announcing how much of an "upgrade" she is....
And Bria versus Tamar....No point in me even elaborating.  I agree they should not be compared either. However, I unquestionably prefer Tamar's music.Amen! Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: prince didn't have to force Tamar on his fans by selling her album along with his. That tells you a lot right there. He had her perform with him and sing solo right from the jump...didn't hide her or alter her vocals in the studio. Tells you even more.
Truth be told, no record exec wants to be bothered with a Prince protege cuz they know right off the bat the chick will be mediocre. Not her fault, its just that when you get produced by Prince you just end up with a prince song not a collaboration or even a showcase of your own talent and image/persona. He has this idea in his head of what a female singer should be rather than letting her be herself. That Svengali shit is sooo played out! I understand what you're saying but hell Ashanti's singing isn't mediocre? Amarie isn't a mediocre singer? Britney Spears? Janet Jackson? Madonna? They're all mediocre singers. Its about what Record Execs are able to successfully package and make people want and lust after. Or in the case of Madonna its what natural charisma or drivenness the person has. [Edited 3/27/09 16:32pm] Change it one more time.. | |
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Tamar just doesnt have good luck. She's recorded TWO albums, neither one has managed to get released. And she had a few good tracks in the latest album produced by Kwame. Change it one more time.. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: prince didn't have to force Tamar on his fans by selling her album along with his. That tells you a lot right there. He had her perform with him and sing solo right from the jump...didn't hide her or alter her vocals in the studio. Tells you even more.
Truth be told, no record exec wants to be bothered with a Prince protege cuz they know right off the bat the chick will be mediocre. Not her fault, its just that when you get produced by Prince you just end up with a prince song not a collaboration or even a showcase of your own talent and image/persona. He has this idea in his head of what a female singer should be rather than letting her be herself. That Svengali shit is sooo played out! ----- That Svengali shit is sooo played out! It is tired but not played out because it is still going on in the industry. A lot of artist have Svengali and the sound and do what they are told. I don't think Prince should be pointed out as the only one. I think he just needs to find better singers | |
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babynoz said: 2elijah said: Thank goodness you're only speaking for yourself. Because I enjoyed Tamar's vocals and performances with Prince. She is an artist in her own right and had a music career that started with being part of a young, girl group named "Girls Tyme" which included Beyonce and other members of Destiny's child, that Prince at one time wanted to sign, so the story goes. She also had her own band, with Cora as her drummer before she collaborated with Prince, so she's already had a singing career that started when she was very young. She'll be fine. On Prince's latest albums "lotusflow3r, Tamar's name is credited as doing vocals on either one or two tracks, so the collaboration is still there obviously between them, even if it's not seen publically.
You need to remember that the "manufactured" artists of today, with the so-called good looks, apparently don't seem to last very long in this day and age, especially if they fall off the image the so-called BS music industry today wants to put out there. Aretha, Patti, Mavis Staples, Diana, just to name a few etc., and r&b/soul singers from that time are legendary artists that had a long career and have classics that will always be remembered, long before the music business turned into creating "manufactured" artists, that no one will remember 5 years from now, but only for one or maybe two of their hits, if any at all. Talent does count in the end when you get an artist with "real talent" and can last in this industry more than 10 years with a solid, music career. You have artists from non-black and African-American backgrounds trying to emulate the Arethas, Dianas, Patti's and Mavis', but they'll never measure up to them unless they can bring it strong and have capturing stage presence and performance. Being "pretty". It's really not hard to tell that you have an issue with "a certain type" of female artists. But remember, that there are many young female artists, trying to capture the fame and longevity of a music career, by emulating the sounds, rhythms and vibes of these same legendary artist you don't seem to speak too kindly of, as just judging from the way you come across in your post, you seem to have an issue with a "certain" type based on what I'm getting from your posts. Bria's career is young still, and she has to be able to impress fans, not only with her beauty, but her talent, which is the main thing that counts. Can she be a Sade and reel in the same amount of fans Sade still has to this day, although Sade has taken a backseat to her career, but yet fans all over the world still crave for her sounds? So far, Bria does have a nice singing voice, but she will have to create her own persona regardless if Prince is promoting her or not, in order to capture a large fan base and become successful in her own right. Prince can stand on his own because he's already developed a massive fan base and music catalogue over the span of 30 years. Right now, she has a major artist promoting her, so that may help to jump start her career, but let's see how long she is able to make it last if she was headlined alone without Prince. I wish her the same well wishes as Tamar, as they are both artists who have had the opportunity to be promoted by Prince, but the results of their career, will depend on how many fans they can capture with their "talent." LOL! Take 'em to school sis... He or she is certainly speaking for themselves. I was at 2 of those Tamar shows and they were excellent. As soon as I see someone say "real fans like me" I know it's safe to totally disregard anything they have to say. Thank you Babynoz.  | |
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lezama said: Tamar just doesnt have good luck. She's recorded TWO albums, neither one has managed to get released. And she had a few good tracks in the latest album produced by Kwame.
It's not just her alone, there are many talented independent artists that are out there, but the industry is not showcasing them, because the BS music industry force feeds society, "manufactured" talent. Tamar has a beautiful voice, but unless you're "manufactured" talent, those are the only so-called artists, this sick and pathetic music industry will pay attention to. [Edited 3/27/09 18:25pm] | |
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everyone can diss tamar but milk and honey was actually not a bad album
tamar is one of the main reasons prince made a guitar driven record. because (and this might have been a first for him) he had to take a back seat in performances and play guitar. he said that rekindled his love for the instrument. so if tamar wasn't there we may never had dreamer. which has instantly elevated itself to one of my all time fav prince songs. so you can tahnk her indirectly for that bria album is bland because of the style it is, lots of the tracks are very elevatory. she hasn't got a voice for jazz; it isn't distinctive or deep enough. however, the song 2 nite, is better than some of the balads on both of prince's new cd's. if the album had took that direction if would have been a lot better. and i think that song could be a hit for her. [Edited 3/27/09 19:06pm] [Edited 3/28/09 8:11am] "Sisters and brothers in the purple underground, find peace of mind in the pop sound!" | |
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jethrouk said: everyone can diss tamar but milk and honey was actually not a bad album
tamar is one of the main reasons prince made a guitar driven record. because (and this might have been a first for him) he had to take a back seat in performances and play guitar. he said that rekindled his love for the instrument. so if tamar wasn't there we may never had dreamer. which has instantly elevated itself to one of my all time fav prince songs. so you can tahnk her indirectly for that bria album is bland because of the style it is, lots of the tracks are very elevatory. she hasn't got a voice for jazz; it isn't distinctive or deep enough. however, the song dance for me (dunno if that is correct) is better than some of the balads on both of prince's new cd's. if the album had took that direction if would have been a lot better. and i think that song could be a hit for her. [Edited 3/27/09 19:06pm] Dance 4 me is on MPLSound...for your record!!! The Ignorant asserts,The learned doubts,The wise thinks.
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Jay Leno:
"His latest project is a 3CD set available only at Target. He'll be doing a song from each of the CDs for the next 3 nights on our show ..." Show 1: Ol' Skool Company - MPLSound Show 2: Dreamer - Lotusflow3r Show 3: Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful - Lotusflow3r No song played from 'Elixer', no performance from Bria ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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langebleu said: Jay Leno:
"His latest project is a 3CD set available only at Target. He'll be doing a song from each of the CDs for the next 3 nights on our show ..." Show 1: Ol' Skool Company - MPLSound Show 2: Dreamer - Lotusflow3r Show 3: Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful - Lotusflow3r No song played from 'Elixer', no performance from Bria Yeah, Leno did say that. Has Prince already lost interest in Bria? If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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squirrelgrease said: langebleu said: Jay Leno:
"His latest project is a 3CD set available only at Target. He'll be doing a song from each of the CDs for the next 3 nights on our show ..." Show 1: Ol' Skool Company - MPLSound Show 2: Dreamer - Lotusflow3r Show 3: Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful - Lotusflow3r No song played from 'Elixer', no performance from Bria Yeah, Leno did say that. Has Prince already lost interest in Bria? I'm thinking she is not a good enough singer to pull off a live performance. I heard she was scheduled to sing on Thursday but they decided at the last minute to pull her performance and have Prince instead. Maybe she'll grace us with some posts and clarify. | |
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Brofie said: In every way - better looking and easier to listen to. The material Prince has for her is better than Milk and Honey. If Prince is ever going to make a female pop star (it seems that is what he is trying to do), Bria is it. That video with her driving the Caddy on the coast is hypnotic.
Umm, Tamar's voice wipes the floor with Bria's. Bria's album is mediocre at best and a snoozefest at worst. Even her looks aren't that unique. The only reason she got an album is because she's dating Prince. | |
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really? I don't like Elixir - can't get through it ... boring!! to me ... | |
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DevotedPuppy said: squirrelgrease said: Yeah, Leno did say that. Has Prince already lost interest in Bria? I'm thinking she is not a good enough singer to pull off a live performance. I heard she was scheduled to sing on Thursday but they decided at the last minute to pull her performance and have Prince instead. Maybe she'll grace us with some posts and clarify. nobody wants to see Bria but Prince they'll tune in for ... the question would be: "who's Bria?" let's get real! | |
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fakir said: jethrouk said: everyone can diss tamar but milk and honey was actually not a bad album
tamar is one of the main reasons prince made a guitar driven record. because (and this might have been a first for him) he had to take a back seat in performances and play guitar. he said that rekindled his love for the instrument. so if tamar wasn't there we may never had dreamer. which has instantly elevated itself to one of my all time fav prince songs. so you can tahnk her indirectly for that bria album is bland because of the style it is, lots of the tracks are very elevatory. she hasn't got a voice for jazz; it isn't distinctive or deep enough. however, the song dance for me (dunno if that is correct) is better than some of the balads on both of prince's new cd's. if the album had took that direction if would have been a lot better. and i think that song could be a hit for her. [Edited 3/27/09 19:06pm] Dance 4 me is on MPLSound...for your record!!! my mistake. I mean 2nite. the disco song. its arrangement is similar to like nasty girl; kinda. [Edited 3/28/09 7:04am] "Sisters and brothers in the purple underground, find peace of mind in the pop sound!" | |
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DevotedPuppy said: squirrelgrease said: Yeah, Leno did say that. Has Prince already lost interest in Bria? I'm thinking she is not a good enough singer to pull off a live performance. I heard she was scheduled to sing on Thursday but they decided at the last minute to pull her performance and have Prince instead. Maybe she'll grace us with some posts and clarify. I don't think she could do any worse than Vanity 6's live performances. But, who knows. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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Team Tamar. Better voice and looks.
Bria's album is such a bore and she has a manish face.  | |
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DevotedPuppy said: Brofie said: In every way - better looking and easier to listen to. The material Prince has for her is better than Milk and Honey. If Prince is ever going to make a female pop star (it seems that is what he is trying to do), Bria is it. That video with her driving the Caddy on the coast is hypnotic.
Umm, Tamar's voice wipes the floor with Bria's. Bria's album is mediocre at best and a snoozefest at worst. Even her looks aren't that unique. The only reason she got an album is because she's dating Prince. I think you misread his post. It wasnt about voice, it was about the material. Change it one more time.. | |
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moussemaker said: and she has a manish face.
Ok, since this has become a beauty contest, post your pic so we can rate your looks. Change it one more time.. | |
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lezama said: DevotedPuppy said:
Umm, Tamar's voice wipes the floor with Bria's. Bria's album is mediocre at best and a snoozefest at worst. Even her looks aren't that unique. The only reason she got an album is because she's dating Prince. I think you misread his post. It wasnt about voice, it was about the material. I think you misread mine. My second sentence refers to the material, which includes lyrics and voice as well as music.  | |
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The fact that according to Leno, Prince was supposed to perform one track from each album during these three nights... but chose instead to NOT perform anything from Elixer should tell us something about his confidence in the material and/or Bria as far as live performance goes.
If her stage presence is anything like her presence on record or video--no presence at all--then he made the right choice to avoid embarrassing all involved. Her album, her voice, her make up... all overdone, over produced, nondistinct, boring. And she is beautiful only if you're looking for a female version of Prince... her jawline alone is scary... and she looks downright mannish. Tamar had okay vocals--there was always this sense that she was straining to pull deep notes that her voice was too thin to carry... but the material she recorded on her album was very good. It not being released was tragic. "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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NuPwrSoul said: And she is beautiful only if you're looking for a female version of Prince... her jawline alone is scary... and she looks downright mannish. Do you know what the common features of people with indigenous decent are for people of S. American ancestry? I'd be cautious making statements like that. Theres racial undertones to them that you may not be aware of. Change it one more time.. | |
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lezama said: NuPwrSoul said: And she is beautiful only if you're looking for a female version of Prince... her jawline alone is scary... and she looks downright mannish. Do you know what the common features of people with indigenous decent are for people of S. American ancestry? I'd be cautious making statements like that. Theres racial undertones to them that you may not be aware of. Quite well aware... and I'm sorry for going that far... guess it's my kneejerk reaction to the way I've seen Tamar's looks disparaged on this thread, no doubt owing to a different aesthetic as well. That being said, Bria DOES have a prominent jawline, which while beautiful for many, in some cultures is considered mannish. How's that? [Edited 3/28/09 10:14am] "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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I was really looking forward to Temar's album. I haven't heard it, so I have nothing to compare the two. I did enjoy Temars vocal delivery better than Bria's. I think Prince did the Bria album as a make up for the shelved Temar album. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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NuPwrSoul said: lezama said: Do you know what the common features of people with indigenous decent are for people of S. American ancestry? I'd be cautious making statements like that. Theres racial undertones to them that you may not be aware of. Quite well aware... and I'm sorry for going that far... guess it's my kneejerk reaction to the way I've seen Tamar's looks disparaged on this thread, no doubt owing to a different aesthetic as well. That being said, Bria DOES have a prominent jawline, which while beautiful for many, in some cultures is considered mannish. How's that? LOL... I think thats covers it.  Change it one more time.. | |
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lezama said: NuPwrSoul said: Quite well aware... and I'm sorry for going that far... guess it's my kneejerk reaction to the way I've seen Tamar's looks disparaged on this thread, no doubt owing to a different aesthetic as well. That being said, Bria DOES have a prominent jawline, which while beautiful for many, in some cultures is considered mannish. How's that? LOL... I think thats covers it.
And just for the record, I'd play a lot less attention to her looks if her musical presence was more interesting. "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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