xtrafab said: bellanoche said: Zoe, I am glad you posted this. It is disconcerting that whenever someone voices a dislike for the Bria project or inquires about a Shelby project, they are branded a Bria hater who is a jealous female who wants Prince to bed them. It actually discourages me and others from even posting. At the end of the day Prince can do whatever he wants with whomever he wants. Given his track record with women, I would not want to be added to his hit list no matter how fine/sexy he is. However, on a musical level, as a longtime fan I have been disappointed by some of the choices he has made when it comes to "proteges." I always think about the supreme waste of Rosie Gaines in favor of the Carmen Elektra project. I also wish that more was done with Marva King. He's wasted music and money on albums for women like Carmen and Mayte. So, I hope that history does not repeat itself and that Shelby does get a well-promoted album from her time with Prince. She has been a good addition to his shows over the last couple of years, and it would be a good idea to build on that momentum. I do not know much about Bria, and I am honestly not that impressed with the three tracks that I have heard from her. The music is nice, but her vocals are unremarkable to me. Whether she is Prince's woman or not has no bearing on that. For example, I LOVE me some Sheila E. However, her private relationship with Prince had no bearing on that. Whether Prince was bedding her or not, I just really dug her sound, style and talent. If I was some jealous hater, I would have dogged her out because of the obvious closeness that they share. I also liked the Nona tracks he did, and the fact that she and Prince were together did not affect that. I actually thought they looked cute together in the Love Sign video. However, my focus has always been on the music. I wish some people would grow up around here and have intelligent discussions about music rather than wage unfounded indictments about people's opinions of the MUSIC. Grow up? Some opinions are not based on the music and that is quite clear by your comments. Her music is good and her voice is also good. Three well produced songs thus far and we have yet to hear a full album, yet you have made your mind up about Prince's motives and future desicions. Preconceived notions again fruitless to discuss at this point. Be in the now. You mention Sheila E, well, to most she is not a 'remarkable' singer, as u put it, but her voice works well with her music. You love her and so do I. Again its when social stigmas get in the way of reason that intellectual discussions fall by the way side wouldnt you agree? I think this is an underlying problem here, although most will not admit to this. A beautiful girl is always scrutinized just for the way she looks. If she has talent/accomplishments she is labelled gold digger or manipulating men with sex to acheive fame. If she is spiritual she could only be faking it. These are all indicative of a jealous or envious personality trait. They do not uplift, they only tear down. Where is the intellect in that? Where is the love for music in that? Cursing and calling me names Zoetrulove is very childish and against forum rules. Mods I hope will put and end to this. Peace and love Peace and love to you, Bria! "Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?" | |
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I'm digging Bria's work.
Maybe u guys should give a chance.....before u make up your mind. | |
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i want 2 hear shelby instead of bria honestly..not based on familarity, but on the same guide of history of prince having a powerful singer in his band but not granting them the ability 2 come out from under his shadow. shelby can sing live but we have yet 2 hear bria live. it's just shaping out 2 b another singer in a studio but no live presence.
but we will c man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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xtrafab said: DesireeNevermind said: x 1,000 You same girls are still at it against Bria and Prince? So sad to see grown people behaving so childish. There is not a competition going on here, its pointless speculation at this stage dont you think? How do you know Shelby doesnt already have a CD in the works or finished already? None of us know, so why start a thread that is obviously baiting? This is the main reason why people are discouraged when commenting on these threads. It is sadly more about personal dating gossip than the music. Live your lives and dont become obsessed while overanalyzing others lives. It is fruitless. Discuss facts, why discuss speculatory opinions as if fact just to say something negative about Bria and/or Prince? Begs the question, are you really Prince fans? Do you like his music? Do you comment on the music? Prince should be ashamed? YOU should be ashamed for judging people you dont know personally Zoetrulove and Desiree. This is very very sad. Give love and get love in return, that is universal law of nature. Learn from this principle and find peace. Peace and love Damn you are a riot!!! In a pathetic, wannabestartingsomething kind of way! I laugh at a joke about a coat and then you start on another one of your rants. Must you constantly remind everyone of how you worship Bria/yourself or whatever the deal is today? And wtf are you getting on my post about starting a thread! I didn't start this thread! And no, I'm not a Prince FAN. I consider myself an admirer, spiritual friend, and objective music critic! I would hope being a fan does not mean you worship him and hold him to an unrealistic and unhealthy standard of existence. You talk about obsession and living lives? Wherever Bria's name is mentioned in passing, you are right there salivating! Jeez. It was amusing for awhile but now its just creepy!! You need Jesus and Cymbalta!! | |
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xtrafab=bria v.
Hey girl, listen I think the songs we've heard thus far are cute, fun and promising. But honestly, P's past actions speak louder than your words! Not hating on you at all, hope you are sucessful, everyone deserves a chance but people will continue to form their own opinions as long as they can breath! Hopefully you get to do your thang, you are fortunate girl! [Edited 2/7/09 19:09pm] & | |
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bellanoche said: Zoe, I am glad you posted this. It is disconcerting that whenever someone voices a dislike for the Bria project or inquires about a Shelby project, they are branded a Bria hater who is a jealous female who wants Prince to bed them. It actually discourages me and others from even posting. At the end of the day Prince can do whatever he wants with whomever he wants. Given his track record with women, I would not want to be added to his hit list no matter how fine/sexy he is. WORD! I just don't get why if you don't have the attitude to run out and buy matching towels for Prince and Bria, that you are somehow a hater. I read this over and over. And to ask if someone is a true Prince fan, if they don't like Bria, or his musical projects... let me say something, They asked this same question when Prince was with Manuela; they asked this same thing when Prince was with Mayte, they asked this same thing when Prince was with Carmen/Nona, they asked this same question when Prince was with Vanity... do you GET IT??? Prince fans were his fans BEFORE Bria, Mayte, Mani, Carmen, Nona, Susannah, Vanity (and the list goes on) AND THEY WILL BE FANS AFTER Bria, et al. Prince knows this, we know this... if you didn't know this... well now you do. With that being said... I truly pity any budding artist (whether it is a bed partner/lover/wife or a purely platonic band mate) who thinks any association with Prince will amount to any project that is successful. The last projects Prince was able to successfully manage/produce was Sheila E and the Time. And that was back in the 80's... some 20 years ago. The women who have good voices are not appealing to him, so he doesn't really put forth much effort, and the women who he really tries to help, do not have natural talent... so there is not much to work with. The only exception was Sheila E; who is beautiful and was already a talent making noise in the industry before she even met Prince. So really y'all need to chill with this everyone is a Bria hater. (not directed to you zoe, or water... it is to Bria (or her friend-spy) [Edited 2/8/09 12:50pm] "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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I'm wondering what P is thinking. I mean, Tamar and Shelby! I love 'em but Prince doesn't seem to feel the same. Tamar was hot, but now I barely see the girl! | |
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lspear76 said: xtrafab said: Grow up? Some opinions are not based on the music and that is quite clear by your comments. Her music is good and her voice is also good. Three well produced songs thus far and we have yet to hear a full album, yet you have made your mind up about Prince's motives and future desicions. Preconceived notions again fruitless to discuss at this point. Be in the now. You mention Sheila E, well, to most she is not a 'remarkable' singer, as u put it, but her voice works well with her music. You love her and so do I. Again its when social stigmas get in the way of reason that intellectual discussions fall by the way side wouldnt you agree? I think this is an underlying problem here, although most will not admit to this. A beautiful girl is always scrutinized just for the way she looks. If she has talent/accomplishments she is labelled gold digger or manipulating men with sex to acheive fame. If she is spiritual she could only be faking it. These are all indicative of a jealous or envious personality trait. They do not uplift, they only tear down. Where is the intellect in that? Where is the love for music in that? Cursing and calling me names Zoetrulove is very childish and against forum rules. Mods I hope will put and end to this. Peace and love Peace and love to you, Bria! | |
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prodigalfan said: bellanoche said: Zoe, I am glad you posted this. It is disconcerting that whenever someone voices a dislike for the Bria project or inquires about a Shelby project, they are branded a Bria hater who is a jealous female who wants Prince to bed them. It actually discourages me and others from even posting. At the end of the day Prince can do whatever he wants with whomever he wants. Given his track record with women, I would not want to be added to his hit list no matter how fine/sexy he is. WORD! I just don't get why if you don't have the attitude to run out and buy matching towels for Prince and Bria, that you are somehow a hater. I read this over and over. And to ask if someone is a true Prince fan, if they don't like Bria, or his musical projects... let me say something, They asked this same question when Prince was with Manuela; they asked this same thing when Prince was with Mayte, they asked this same thing when Prince was with Carmen/Nona, they asked this same question when Prince was with Vanity... do you GET IT??? Prince fans were his fans BEFORE Bria, Mayte, Mani, Carmen, Nona, Susannah, Vanity (and the list goes on) AND THEY WILL BE FANS AFTER Bria, et al. Prince knows this, we know this... if you didn't know this... well now you do. With that being said... I truly pity any budding artist (whether it is a bed partner/lover/wife or a purely platonic band mate) who thinks any association with Prince will amount to any project that is successful. The last projects Prince was able to successfully manage/produce was Sheila E and the Time. And that was back in the 80's... some 20 years ago. The women who have good voices are not appealing to him, so he doesn't really put forth much effort, and the women who he really tries to help, do not have natural talent... so there is not much to work with. The only exception was Sheila E; who is beautiful and was already a talent making noise in the industry before she even met Prince. So really y'all need to chill with this everyone is a Bria hater. (not directed to you zoe, or water... it is to Bria (or her friend-spy) [Edited 2/8/09 12:50pm] Thank you for boiling it down to the bones. I completely agree. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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Prince fans arent as dumb as some orgers would like ...then he turned to me and said "I dare you". | |
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funkyhead said: any word on this project?. I'll be real pissed if it is the case coz Shelby has generated so much love during her 21 nights. CVome on P get your focus on a genuine powerhouse singer.
Why would you think that? It's not uncommon for Prince to be working on two,three or four projects at once. Shelby's project is still in the works. Aussie bass player Tal Wilkenfeld is working with Prince on this album | |
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Word to the Prince. Stick with real musicians, real artist, singers, song writers! Leave the bikini model, groupie/thong song chicks to guys like Ray J and Flo Rida! Better yet...just focus on your own shit! We love it too much to get distracted. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Word to the Prince. Stick with real musicians, real artist, singers, song writers! Leave the bikini model, groupie/thong song chicks to guys like Ray J and Flo Rida! Better yet...just focus on your own shit! We love it too much to get distracted.
i missed having the protege days tho man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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FunkyPhresh said: I'm wondering what P is thinking. I mean, Tamar and Shelby! I love 'em but Prince doesn't seem to feel the same. Tamar was hot, but now I barely see the girl!
I know she was on tour doing a Tyler Perry play, but I would love to see more of her. | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: DesireeNevermind said: Word to the Prince. Stick with real musicians, real artist, singers, song writers! Leave the bikini model, groupie/thong song chicks to guys like Ray J and Flo Rida! Better yet...just focus on your own shit! We love it too much to get distracted.
i missed having the protege days tho Me too but I prefer a female group or live male band to the likes of a taja seville, jill jones (luv her tho) and potentially bria. P just doesn't do well producing individual acts. He almost fails with bands when you think back to The Family and Mazarati (sp). Ok The Family wasn't really a band but you get where Im going. Its like he gets excited at the prospect then loses interest after a few studio sessions. Tamar went nowhere and she is mad talented. Robin Power went nowhere and she hotter than many a Prince chick and current female pop star. And didn't he try and produce an album for one time GF/actress troy beyer? Well as long as you get one hit out of the collaboration | |
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DesireeNevermind said: L4OATheOriginal said: i missed having the protege days tho Me too but I prefer a female group or live male band to the likes of a taja seville, jill jones (luv her tho) and potentially bria. P just doesn't do well producing individual acts. He almost fails with bands when you think back to The Family and Mazarati (sp). Ok The Family wasn't really a band but you get where Im going. Its like he gets excited at the prospect then loses interest after a few studio sessions. Tamar went nowhere and she is mad talented. Robin Power went nowhere and she hotter than many a Prince chick and current female pop star. And didn't he try and produce an album for one time GF/actress troy beyer? Well as long as you get one hit out of the collaboration robin might have "looked" better than some, but Robin couldn't rap 2 save a homless person imo. i'm with u on that a whole band concept is the way 2 go or even get a male singer than can truly sing and surround them with music that sounds like a band instead of these current mofo's out there with just a beat and little keyboard riff. man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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The whole thing with Prince and his so-called proteges has been a recurring joke for a while now.
It's always the same pattern. Prince drags the young hopeful woman along with him everywhere and talks up their beautiful voice and dedication to music. He records a sub-par album for them. They perform together multiple times. The album does poorly, the woman disappears from view, and later we hear a few select news pieces about her shopping the album around desperately on myspace. Bria will soon join the disgruntled line of other bright eyed "future superstars" like The Twinz and Tamar. Trust The Kid with your career and pay the price. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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really pleased that Shelby is still on the scene and great to hear that a CD is still being worked on. Go Shelby GO!. | |
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PurpleKnight said: The whole thing with Prince and his so-called proteges has been a recurring joke for a while now.
It's always the same pattern. Prince drags the young hopeful woman along with him everywhere and talks up their beautiful voice and dedication to music. He records a sub-par album for them. They perform together multiple times. The album does poorly, the woman disappears from view, and later we hear a few select news pieces about her shopping the album around desperately on myspace. Bria will soon join the disgruntled line of other bright eyed "future superstars" like The Twinz and Tamar. Trust The Kid with your career and pay the price. that be a high price too | |
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PurpleKnight said: The whole thing with Prince and his so-called proteges has been a recurring joke for a while now.
It's always the same pattern. Prince drags the young hopeful woman along with him everywhere and talks up their beautiful voice and dedication to music. He records a sub-par album for them. They perform together multiple times. The album does poorly, the woman disappears from view, and later we hear a few select news pieces about her shopping the album around desperately on myspace. Bria will soon join the disgruntled line of other bright eyed "future superstars" like The Twinz and Tamar. Trust The Kid with your career and pay the price. This is so true that I do not know how anyone can disagree with it. Maybe it might be best for Shelby to go a different route if she wants a real solo career. As history has repeated time and time and time and time again, the track record for the Prince proteges is pretty dismal besides Sheila because she was already a talented, working musician when he hooked up with her. He just helped her take it to the next level. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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bellanoche said: PurpleKnight said: The whole thing with Prince and his so-called proteges has been a recurring joke for a while now.
It's always the same pattern. Prince drags the young hopeful woman along with him everywhere and talks up their beautiful voice and dedication to music. He records a sub-par album for them. They perform together multiple times. The album does poorly, the woman disappears from view, and later we hear a few select news pieces about her shopping the album around desperately on myspace. Bria will soon join the disgruntled line of other bright eyed "future superstars" like The Twinz and Tamar. Trust The Kid with your career and pay the price. This is so true that I do not know how anyone can disagree with it. Maybe it might be best for Shelby to go a different route if she wants a real solo career. As history has repeated time and time and time and time again, the track record for the Prince proteges is pretty dismal besides Sheila because she was already a talented, working musician when he hooked up with her. He just helped her take it to the next level. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Good luck to her. I think that people should follow their dreams. Maybe it will work out, maybe it won't. You never know unless you try. | |
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VenusBlingBling said: Well, it doesn't sound like she has Prince helping her. And I was really looking forward to finally hear a female "protegé" with a great, strong voice. Looks like P thought with the wrong part again As usual! For some reason Prince thinks that every beautiful woman he's interested in can sing and he has the burning desire to make her a star. Once he looses interest in the woman the whole project gets aborted. Sad, but true. That's just Prince being Prince. love the one who is Love! | |
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