pplrain said:

Well, I don't know why she turned down the roles and it doesn't really matter to me. Rosario Dawson is going to be in Seven Pounds and Charlize did just fine in Hancock and Eva Mendes did pretty well in Hitch so its not like she was irreplaceable.
As to my knowledge, you have no idea on that subject so your comments are irrelevant. I'm just not the type of person who pretends that things are different than what they seem. I am a realist. While I know that not everyone thinks the same way, I also know and have the common sense to acknowledge that there are still a lot of cultural biases that have been handed down from generation to generation and I also know from personal experiences and interactions what exists.
Yes, Aish is smart and she has a huge following. Nowhere did I deny that. None of those qualities absolves her of being biased. The difference is that I won't pretend that it does.

BlaqueKnight said:

well i find it werid that she is doing the pink panter how can you turn down a movie with will smith

I think you should shut up now .. you are just rambling like a madcap.

First you said she is a bigot... and that is when I responded.

Obviously you do not have an understanding of India or the cultural values over there. Nor what Indian family structures are to make any assumptions on facts you have no knowledge about. You watch movies and the TV and like most Americans make assumptions.

BlaqueKnight said:

pplrain said:

Again with the declarations of other peoples' knowledge and the excuses.
Did you see Hitch? Did you see Hancock? PLEASE tell me what was in those movies that could have caused an Indian actress - ANY Indian actress to turn down the roles? There was no nudity. They were PG-13 movies. Aside from singing and dancing, those weren't a great deal different from many of the Indian movies.
We can discuss how Ghandi felt about Kafirs or how India's caste system has led to a huge bias in skin color before you go into the biases in black culture. We can talk about how green eyes RULE in India. Every culture has an ugly side and everyone has biases. I'm just not one those people who pretends it doesn't exist. We are getting off topic. Vanity and Aishwarya are both beautiful women. I am admittedly biased more towards Vanity as you probably are towards Aish. Neither of them are unattractive, so its not like one is a dog.

pplrain said:

Isn't that an assumption?

I have not seen Hitch or Hancock. (Not because I am a bigot, but because I didn't have the time) Did you get a chance to see the script of either movie, what was being asked of Aish in the contracts or what was on the cutting room floor?

Again you have your facts wrong. Did you know that Ghandi went back to India to kick the British out after what happened to him in South Africa? He could have accepted the British invasion of India and not done a damn thing about it there, if he believe in the superiority of color.

Also the caste system in India is not based on color. If you don't know anything about it, you need to read up instead of writing rubbish here.

I am done and will not try to educate you.

BlaqueKnight said:

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pplrain said:

Okay, fact time:

1. Yes, I do have the script for Hancock, which was originally titled "Tonight He Comes". On MANY occasions, actors alter the scripts. It wasn't even necessary for this although I'm sure since it was PG-13 there would have been no problem deleting anything she didn't approve of. There is nothing in the script that calls for any more intimacy than what she has done in any of her other movies. The female character has superpowers just like Hancock, so she is equal to and not his subordinate. She often likes to play strong women. This was THE STRONGEST woman on the planet.
Learn to make points against what is said and not what you think is said. I DID NOT say the caste system was based on race. I said the caste system's effects on Indian culture as well as other cultures has caused a divide and one of the by-products of that is the same as it is with other cultures - the "lighter is better" bias.
Even if you believe lighter skin means that you do less physical labor and are therefore more educated and more wealthy, ITS STILL BIGOTRY. That's one of the ways the caste system has affected race in other cultures.
Let's pull up a recent "beauty" ad that you would NEVER see among black Americans:


http://www.youtube.com/wa...-9tcXpW1DE

ALL WOMEN OF COLOR have suffered from European brainwashing. Indians are certainly not any less guilty of it.
Black women in the U.S. would march on that company like it was the 60s if an ad like that popped up on television somewhere, and they would boycott the channel that aired it as well. Still some dumb, self-hating sistas would go buy that mess. Cultural conditioning affects many but it affects some cultures more than others.


How are the Dalits looked upon, eh?
Ghandi's world view of Africans was based upon the caste structure, where he saw the Indians above the Blacks and below the European. He tried his best to make sure that the Indians were used against the Africans (Zulu, Kaffirs and others).
This is Indian history. Its documented and undeniable.
Need a quote?

“A general belief seems to prevail in the colony that the Indians are little better, if at all, than the savages or natives of Africa. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir.”
(Reference: The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Government of India (CWMG), Vol I, p. 150)

HIS OWN WORDS.

I am not saying that's all India is about or that all Indians feel that way because I know its not true. Still, I know that those biases exist and I'm not going to pretend they don't. I'm not saying that it is the motivation behind her turning down Will's movie offers; I'm just not ruling it out. So on that note, I think I'll pass on your education.

BlaqueKnight said:

Hmmm this is all very interesting and yes very true! I have a lot of friends who are of east indian descent and they actually say that indian people consider the lighter you are in skin color the prettier you are! I know the same thing goes for the african american culture as well. I think it's really sad. That commercial you posted is the reality of how people think especially in India. Disgusting.

So the more south you go in India, the darker skin tone you are, the more north you go in India, the "fairer" you are. Aishwarya Rai is actually both North and South Indian. There are other popular bollywood actresses that are darker but are still considered very beautiful and are successful. It's just unfortunate how people of color are so brain washed to think that being white is being beautiful. Not to say white people aren't beautiful but it's just sad when people can't accept the color of their own skin.

And having a degree isn't going to teach you about people, and real life. If anybody wants to know the truth about culture, religion, tradition, etc...travelling and taking your nose out of a book and actually experiencing it personally will teach you more than any book. A book introduces ideas and thoughts and opinions, and of course facts but it wont teach you the rawness of the reality of all of these issues like seeing it for yourself and talking to people who are in it.

Facts about Aishwarya Rai and Will Smith:

So, Will Smith travelled to India a couple years ago for a week, and became very good friends with Aishwarya and her husband. He has been wanting her to do a movie with him but due to scheduling and business issues she has not been able to do any of his movies. She was "keen" on doing Hancock but was booked to shoot a huge bollywood movie at the same time. Due to conflicting schedules she was not able to do it. As for Hitch, it was due to legal issues.

I heard that there will be a movie in the future with the two of them. She is just as excited. So it had nothing to do with "kissing scene" issues.

She also sent Jada Pinkett a sari because Jada was on tour with her band when Will went to India. They all still remain close friends and look forward to working together one day.

A simple question about 2 women and it has to turn into another race issue.

Jesus Christ

BlaqueKnight said:

I mean yeah i always found it werid that she turn down roles with will and i think brad pitt for troy and mrs. & mr smith so i guess she has some kind of problem but i still don't see why she doing the pink panther

tamewar said:

Actually it's not weird at all that she didnt do a movie with Will Smith (didn't as opposed to "turned down") because she is just as famous as he on the other side of the world. Bollywood is the highest engrossing film industry in the world and make 10 times more movies and money than Hollywood does. Bollywood is just as popular as Hollywood outside of America and India. Although Hollywood has better special effects I gotta say Lol. But she is just as busy if not more than Will Smith since, like I just stated, that Bollywood produces more movies a year than Hollywood. Which would mean while Will Smith is shooting 3 movies in a year (as an example) then Aishwarya Rai is shooting 6 in the same year.

Yup

Although I like Vanity's beauty and style better




... Aishwarya is a very pretty girl.



Is she linked to Prince? I read that she is married... so how is she "associated"?

BlaqueKnight said:

Mayte looks like aishwarya. They have an innocent beauty.

Let's be honest about something here -- if Aish didn't have green eyes and instead had brown, no one would be saying she's "the most beautiful".

Mayte Doesn't look anything like her!

muycaliente said:

Yea I wouldnt say they look anything alike. They are not the type to compare to each other. Both beautiful and talented in their own right. I think Mayte is def sexier. Aish is a graceful when she dances. Mayte has the grace but she's super sultry too.

Plus Aish has light eyes and that does enhance her beauty true. But even when she wears brown contacts (which she has in movies) she still looks really beautiful.

pplrain said:

You do?? Sorry, but I LOVE the Bollywood style and movies and Aish is so beautiful and

Who cares if she couldn't be in Hancock? It wasn't a great movie and she has enough money so big deal.
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