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Reply #60 posted 04/01/08 2:31am

Anji

Heiress, it's not a question of whether I believe. The point is that your are disclosing information as fact (which I wholly believe in your mind it is), however, that doesn't take away from the story which, if I have understood correctly, is that someone who believes they are not a liar (a JW from his congregation) has told another someone who believes they are not a liar (you) a piece of information that in today's court of law would still be considered an unsubstantiated rumour. I'm not here to change your mind or what you believe or know to be true but I do take issue with how you present such information in lieu of the audience here.
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Reply #61 posted 04/01/08 2:48am

Heiress

Anji said:

Heiress, it's not a question of whether I believe. The point is that your are disclosing information as fact (which I wholly believe in your mind it is), however, that doesn't take away from the story which, if I have understood correctly, is that someone who believes they are not a liar (a JW from his congregation) has told another someone who believes they are not a liar (you) a piece of information that in today's court of law would still be considered an unsubstantiated rumour. I'm not here to change your mind or what you believe or know to be true but I do take issue with how you present such information in lieu of the audience here.


You have the right to your opinion.
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Reply #62 posted 04/01/08 2:54am

Anji

And you have the right to reflect on the appropriateness of your disclosure.
This is not just about opinions; there are legal implications to everything.
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Reply #63 posted 04/01/08 2:55am

wildgoldenhone
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Reply #64 posted 04/01/08 3:09am

Heiress

Anji said:

And you have the right to reflect on the appropriateness of your disclosure.
This is not just about opinions; there are legal implications to everything.


lol

well, let them come sue me if it's not true then.

PS. I've already mentioned this ages ago... and I'm not the only one.

If anyone had wanted to sue me, they could have done it by now.

But then Prince would also have to sue all the people who say that he banged Tamar, the Twinz, etc... smile
[Edited 4/1/08 3:18am]
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Reply #65 posted 04/01/08 3:27am

Anji

Heiress, it's not the termination of your marriage that we are discussing.
Legal implications refer to settlement of the relevant parties i.e. not you.
It would be self-absorbed of you to think otherwise.
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Reply #66 posted 04/01/08 3:36am

Heiress

Anji said:

Heiress, it's not the termination of your marriage that we are discussing.
Legal implications refer to settlement of the relevant parties i.e. not you.
It would be self-absorbed of you to think otherwise.


and your point is?
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Reply #67 posted 04/01/08 3:47am

Anji

Heiress, you yourself said that you 'probably shouldn't talk about this here'.
Read what you wrote and reflect on the appropriateness of your disclosure.
You even included a symbol as if to say, hush hush.
Perhaps, the point is to take your own advice.
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Reply #68 posted 04/01/08 4:05am

Heiress

Anji said:

Heiress, you yourself said that you 'probably shouldn't talk about this here'.
Read what you wrote and reflect on the appropriateness of your disclosure.
You even included a symbol as if to say, hush hush.
Perhaps, the point is to take your own advice.


You are right; to me it's a matter of discretion or lack thereof, and not of legalities.

But then again, how can telling the truth be a bad thing?

Call it what you want it, I guess. shrug
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Reply #69 posted 04/01/08 7:47am

mayebelle81

CalhounSq said:

I heard... & an Orger said... & she looks like... LAWD, this entire thread is fucking retarded arrow


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MY THREAD AIN'T RETARDED!!! I MIGHT BE...A LITTLE BIT, BUT MY THREAD AIN'T RETARDED. WHY YOU ALWAYS TRYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY? I DIDN'T DO NOTHING TO YOU!! LEAVE ME ALONE!!! Just kidding. lol lol
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Reply #70 posted 04/01/08 9:18am

Evvy

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Anji said:

Heiress, you yourself said that you 'probably shouldn't talk about this here'.
Read what you wrote and reflect on the appropriateness of your disclosure.
You even included a symbol as if to say, hush hush.
Perhaps, the point is to take your own advice.


...all of your comments sound like this is very personal for you

you sure you're not "the guy"
LOVE HARD.
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Reply #71 posted 04/01/08 12:20pm

CalhounSq

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mayebelle81 said:

CalhounSq said:

I heard... & an Orger said... & she looks like... LAWD, this entire thread is fucking retarded arrow


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MY THREAD AIN'T RETARDED!!! I MIGHT BE...A LITTLE BIT, BUT MY THREAD AIN'T RETARDED. WHY YOU ALWAYS TRYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY? I DIDN'T DO NOTHING TO YOU!! LEAVE ME ALONE!!! Just kidding. lol lol

falloff You know you got some goofy shit on your hands nod comfort

razz
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #72 posted 04/01/08 12:26pm

misslilly

Heiress said:

Anji said:

Heiress, it's not a question of whether I believe. The point is that your are disclosing information as fact (which I wholly believe in your mind it is), however, that doesn't take away from the story which, if I have understood correctly, is that someone who believes they are not a liar (a JW from his congregation) has told another someone who believes they are not a liar (you) a piece of information that in today's court of law would still be considered an unsubstantiated rumour. I'm not here to change your mind or what you believe or know to be true but I do take issue with how you present such information in lieu of the audience here.


You have the right to your opinion.

and so do you! talking w/ my attorney 2day as long as you say"in my opinion" you cannot get sued and call it the way u see it but he only practices in montana and arizona(where he spends my money golfing but thats just my opinion)
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Reply #73 posted 04/01/08 12:37pm

mayebelle81

CalhounSq said:

mayebelle81 said:



MY THREAD AIN'T RETARDED!!! I MIGHT BE...A LITTLE BIT, BUT MY THREAD AIN'T RETARDED. WHY YOU ALWAYS TRYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY? I DIDN'T DO NOTHING TO YOU!! LEAVE ME ALONE!!! Just kidding. lol lol

falloff You know you got some goofy shit on your hands nod comfort

razz


I know, but I can't help it. lol
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Reply #74 posted 04/01/08 12:49pm

Anji

Heiress said:

Anji said:

Heiress, you yourself said that you 'probably shouldn't talk about this here'.
Read what you wrote and reflect on the appropriateness of your disclosure.
You even included a symbol as if to say, hush hush.
Perhaps, the point is to take your own advice.


You are right; to me it's a matter of discretion or lack thereof, and not of legalities.

But then again, how can telling the truth be a bad thing?

Call it what you want it, I guess. shrug


Telling the truth is not a bad thing per se. However, your "opinion" of the truth does not necessarily make it "the truth"
...even if JW's, as a rule, don't lie.
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Reply #75 posted 04/01/08 5:10pm

babynoz

CalhounSq said:

[i]I heard... & an Orger said...
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[Edited 4/1/08 2:17am]



Yeah, that was a foul on the play. disbelief
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #76 posted 04/02/08 12:19am

Heiress

misslilly said:

Heiress said:



You have the right to your opinion.

and so do you! talking w/ my attorney 2day as long as you say"in my opinion" you cannot get sued and call it the way u see it but he only practices in montana and arizona(where he spends my money golfing but thats just my opinion)


Thanks for the info, misslilly.
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Reply #77 posted 04/02/08 12:35pm

morningsong

Heiress said:

Evvy said:



if you divorce without fornication being the reason- then you commit adultery if you re-marry. for JWs It's possible to legally separate if you are being abused- which often leads to fornication, resulting in divorce


right, that's biblical; adultery as justification for remarriage. i divorced rather than just legally separating, for reasons of abuse. but i did not plan to remarrying anyone until i had some evidence of adultery on his part (just had a suspicion). i did get the evidence of adultery later... but frankly, just getting away and severing legal ties was quite enough.

suffice to say, mani cheated on prince, so their marriage was broken biblically.



Now that's interesting, or whether an interesting way of putting it. Seems to clear up a lot, at least for me.
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Reply #78 posted 04/02/08 5:01pm

PleasurePrinci
ple

I dont think Mani cheated on Prince.Im not saying she didnt.But I dont see a woman moving away from her family to become her married musical idol's personal assistant just to cheat on him in a couple of years.I see it to be more likely that Prince, who we all know has a track record of cheating on his women, to try to settle down but puts himself in tempting situations way too soon and then old Princey pops up with his cheating ways...Mani tries to 4give and go on(or maybe she doesnt) but he messes up again...and shes done.
Thats how I see it.
Im an orger and thats about it so you can throw my opinion on top of all the other bullsh*t theories flying around here...but thats just how I see it playing out shrug
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Reply #79 posted 04/02/08 6:40pm

Stymie

CalhounSq said:

I heard... & an Orger said... & she looks like... LAWD, this entire thread is fucking retarded arrow


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[Edited 4/1/08 2:17am]
spit

worship

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Reply #80 posted 04/02/08 6:41pm

Stymie

Heiress said:

Anji said:

Irrespective of who passes the information (JW from his congregation) and irrespective of whether anyone wholly believes they are telling the truth (liar or not), this information still qualifies as unsubstaintiated rumour, don't you think?


Well, believe whatever you like.
If a JW in his congregation did that, what does this say of Witnesses who proclaim to be the chosen ones? It says to me that some are down for gossip and no better than the rest of us.
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Reply #81 posted 04/02/08 6:47pm

babynoz

Stymie said:

Heiress said:



Well, believe whatever you like.
If a JW in his congregation did that, what does this say of Witnesses who proclaim to be the chosen ones? It says to me that some are down for gossip and no better than the rest of us.



nod
Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #82 posted 04/03/08 6:10am

Heiress

Stymie said:

Heiress said:



Well, believe whatever you like.
If a JW in his congregation did that, what does this say of Witnesses who proclaim to be the chosen ones? It says to me that some are down for gossip and no better than the rest of us.


Oh please... he's a well-known individual, and his business will be known in the congregation and elsewhere.

There's nothing to fear, if there's nothing to hide.
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Reply #83 posted 04/03/08 7:08am

Stymie

Heiress said:

Stymie said:

If a JW in his congregation did that, what does this say of Witnesses who proclaim to be the chosen ones? It says to me that some are down for gossip and no better than the rest of us.


Oh please... he's a well-known individual, and his business will be known in the congregation and elsewhere.

There's nothing to fear, if there's nothing to hide.
But what business is it of the congregation and now, of ours? I have no reason to doubt you lady, I really don't but I really can't imagine that Mani or Prince would have shared this information with anyone.

Don't you think it's a little bit sad that he can't trust his own religion?
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Reply #84 posted 04/03/08 7:16am

mayebelle81

Stymie said:

Heiress said:



Oh please... he's a well-known individual, and his business will be known in the congregation and elsewhere.

There's nothing to fear, if there's nothing to hide.
But what business is it of the congregation and now, of ours? I have no reason to doubt you lady, I really don't but I really can't imagine that Mani or Prince would have shared this information with anyone.

Don't you think it's a little bit sad that he can't trust his own religion?



those court papers, from my understanding, are sealed!!!!
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Reply #85 posted 04/03/08 7:23am

Heiress

Stymie said:

Heiress said:



Oh please... he's a well-known individual, and his business will be known in the congregation and elsewhere.

There's nothing to fear, if there's nothing to hide.
But what business is it of the congregation and now, of ours? I have no reason to doubt you lady, I really don't but I really can't imagine that Mani or Prince would have shared this information with anyone.

Don't you think it's a little bit sad that he can't trust his own religion?


Well, that's your point of view, because you don't trust any religions yourself.

My point is just to prove that Prince is not always some kind of a pimp like he's always portrayed here. I know there's always two sides to a story; and Prince already revealed his in a video which said it all... Do you remember it? It was Fury, a version briefly released in Europe.

So I suppose he doesn't mind that the truth be known?
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Reply #86 posted 04/03/08 7:28am

Stymie

Heiress said:

Stymie said:

But what business is it of the congregation and now, of ours? I have no reason to doubt you lady, I really don't but I really can't imagine that Mani or Prince would have shared this information with anyone.

Don't you think it's a little bit sad that he can't trust his own religion?


Well, that's your point of view, because you don't trust any religions yourself.

My point is just to prove that Prince is not always some kind of a pimp like he's always portrayed here. I know there's always two sides to a story; and Prince already revealed his in a video which said it all... Do you remember it? It was Fury, a version briefly released in Europe.

So I suppose he doesn't mind that the truth be known?
If Fury is truth, isn't it about a woman being scorned? What truth am I to draw from the lyrics?

People can portray Prince any way they want but none of them know him, do they? So anything here is rumor or secondhand and I ignore it anyway.
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Reply #87 posted 04/03/08 7:58am

Heiress

Stymie said:

Heiress said:



Well, that's your point of view, because you don't trust any religions yourself.

My point is just to prove that Prince is not always some kind of a pimp like he's always portrayed here. I know there's always two sides to a story; and Prince already revealed his in a video which said it all... Do you remember it? It was Fury, a version briefly released in Europe.

So I suppose he doesn't mind that the truth be known?
If Fury is truth, isn't it about a woman being scorned? What truth am I to draw from the lyrics?

People can portray Prince any way they want but none of them know him, do they? So anything here is rumor or secondhand and I ignore it anyway.


Well, the video showed more than one interpretation of the woman in question... quite long to explain.

Suffice to say, as far as the congregation goes, we know if a divorce is happening that some kind of adultery has gone on... that's no mystery to us. Unless it's an example of blatant abuse like I explained above.

Nobody has to know anything about what went on unless it was already known; get my drift? If it's a public scandal, the innocent party must be vindicated in some way. It's not like their name & sin are announced from the platform, you know? But a person might lose public privileges & the like.
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Reply #88 posted 04/03/08 8:38am

PurpleCharm

So, Mani cheated on Prince with a woman? confused
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Reply #89 posted 04/03/08 8:43am

Stymie

PurpleCharm said:

So, Mani cheated on Prince with a woman? confused
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